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Thanks Darkfall =)
As you can see I rarely post on MMORPG.com (or any MMO site for that matter). However I am an avid MMO fan. I visit around 3-4 sites daily just to keep up-to-date with the latest and greatest in the MMO world. I have tried just about every P2P western MMO released in the last 7 or so years, and even a couple of those questionable F2P games too. My MMO history starts with EQ (like lots of other peeps). So I know I am not special, different, or a unique snowflake.
However, I did want to say that Darkfall has been unique for me, due to the simple fact that it has done something that no other game has done for me in years...
It made me feel like a complete and utter noob, and not in the frustrated /wrist way that EvE did, but rather the excited and unsure of the road ahead way that EQ did so many years ago.
Yes, I am in the first month.
Yes, I am still in the noob area.
Yes, I have been ganked.
Yes, I have grinded goblins and kobolds.
Yes, I have been spotted, shot, flanked, splash-damaged, and gang-banged... by the wild AI.
Yes, I have underestimated my enemy.
Yes, the world is big.
Yes, the UI is somewhat lame.
Yes, I am utterly and absolutely clueless.
Yes, I am having fun.
And for this, you have my thanks DFO.
Current: BDO
Looking forward to: Crowfall & Chronicles of Elyria
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Darkfall has given me new interest in MMO gaming as well. It's about to be 2 full months I've been playing and I can't get enough. Just got an alt account and put three months on it and my account.
hahah best post i seen for some time...its a shame there arent many games like darkfall to choose from...
Glad you're liking it man, I had the same feeling when I first entered the world. It's amazing just how, well, amazing Darkfall is right now in it's stage of development, and to think that they have so much to expand on blows my mind.
Keep a close eye on the forums news sections, because I have a feeling we have a lot of good content headed our way
Aside from the fact that it's a massive grind fest with few quests or pve content and that it will take an average player about 3-6 months to be competitive in any form of pvp, which the game is about 85% based on, I guess it's ok....
Currently Playing: Toying around with AoC and bored with Darkfall
Thinking of Playing: Fallen Earth or Darkfall after this months update.
Have Played: EQ1, EQ2, WoW, WAR, Vanguard, EvE, Requiem, PW, Lotro, Lineage2, AoC, SWG...
when's the last time you played? Game's a LOT different now, man.
Edit: of course, Darkfall was never really meant to be a questing game, so you're not going to find EQ / WoW style shit here, even now.
Its a game that doesnt hold your hand or baby you. Its rough and unforgiving. Its a game that gives you a sense of accomplishment when you reach a goal because well, you earned it. Its a game that you cant just run anywhere with 0 fear of dying. Basically, its as far away from WoW as you can get. Maybe thats why you didnt like it.
Haha! Welcome to Darkfall. I also felt the same way when I first started. I'm still playing and enjoying it 2 months in.
Current: None
Played: WoW, CoX, SWG, LotRO, EVE, AoC, VG, CO, Ryzom, DF, WAR
Tried: Lineage2, Dofus, EQ2, CoS, FE, UO, Wurm, Wakfu
Future: The Repopulation, ArcheAge, Black Desert, EQN
when's the last time you played? Game's a LOT different now, man.
Edit: of course, Darkfall was never really meant to be a questing game, so you're not going to find EQ / WoW style shit here, even now.
About 5 hours ago. If the game was so awesomesauce and not such a grind fest there wouldn't constantly be 15-20 ppl goin afk in various clan cities making bloodwalls to grind out skills and there would also be a much larger player base than what there is.
To the other person who is attempting to educate me on the hardcoreness of the game, yah I don't mind that at all, but if your gonna make a game mostly based on pvp you may wanna make it accessible and doable by newcomers and not force them to grind for 3+ months at a minimum just to experience it without getting wtfpwn'd constantly with absolutely no chance.
Being that there is very little pve content or quests, as a new player you are bascially forced to grind the same mobs over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, which there are very few different types of mobs new players can kill. Gnolls, kobolds and trolls all day long YAY! Oh, but I guess you could just sit around and hit a rock or tree node and watch your progress bar to grind stats as well so that's pretty awesome and exciting to.
A few other things that kill this game include:
Lack of variety in armor sets, everyone pretty much looks the same.
Not having to specialize in crafting makes for a shitty economy.
The chat system and UI are the worst I think I have ever seen.
Don't get me wrong I like the game and the concept, but as it is it's just a boring grind more so than other games due to the fact there isn't much pve and as a noob you really can't pvp to get your skills up. I bought a 6 month sub so AV's got some time to make some improvements before my sub runs out, but after that if it's still the same lame boring ass grind I won't be resubbing.
In conclusion, if I buy a game that advertises pretty much solely on the pvp factor I expect to be able to pvp within a reasonable amount of time. It's like buying an actual FPS game and not getting a gun and being able to shoot someone until you spend a month or 2 "earning" a gun, who want's to play that?
Edit: I would like the OP to post back when he/she gets tired of this grind, it may not happen, he/she may be one of the few that stick with it, but I'd be willing to bet he/she gets bored and quits like so many others between the 1-2 month mark.
Currently Playing: Toying around with AoC and bored with Darkfall
Thinking of Playing: Fallen Earth or Darkfall after this months update.
Have Played: EQ1, EQ2, WoW, WAR, Vanguard, EvE, Requiem, PW, Lotro, Lineage2, AoC, SWG...
Nice post OP and I 100% agree.
@hybridfury
I guess the conclusion your post brings me to is that Darkfall is indeed a hardcore game. It's kind of like the saying "Come and 'ave a go if you think you're 'ard enough!", and it seems most gamers just aren't hardcore enough even for Darkfall PvE!
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
That caught my eyes, please tell me more
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You and others who say you can't PvP with vets early on are almost always referring to 1v1 PvP. And this is true, you can't expect to kill a vet in 1v1 PvP. I still get my ass kicked 2 months in. I'm lasting longer and doing more damage to them, but I'm still not winning 1v1 fights. I'm usually in my shitty gear though (cloth/leather armor, r10 greataxe, r20 bow, r10 staff). If I used better gear and sparred more I'd do even better, but I'd still lose.
Group PvP is another story. You can contribute very early on in group PvP. You won't be raining down death and destruction early on, but you can contribute. After 1 month I was healing players and mounts, manning cannons and doing damage to attackers with archery. Now at 2 months I'm doing all that (only better) and I'm marking attackers, draining their mana, reducing their resistance to damage and bleeding them (for small amounts atm, but that will get better). And I'm a casual player. There are guys in my clan who have only been in-game for 1 month who have better skills/stats than I do.
I understand some people's frustration with getting rolled all the time in 1v1, but it's not the only form of PvP to be had in-game. If you want to be viable 1v1 on day 1 this isn't the game for you.
Current: None
Played: WoW, CoX, SWG, LotRO, EVE, AoC, VG, CO, Ryzom, DF, WAR
Tried: Lineage2, Dofus, EQ2, CoS, FE, UO, Wurm, Wakfu
Future: The Repopulation, ArcheAge, Black Desert, EQN
hahah best post i seen for some time...its a shame there arent many games like darkfall to choose from...
True, now fingers crossed SOE looking closely at Darkfall as it develops Planetside 2. A Planetside 2 set with DF like mechanics would be pretty sweet imho. DF does have good foundation for great mass PVP other MMO developers should not ignore.
Go to the newbie zone of a enemy race and PvP. The only thing stopping you is you.
The alternative is some lame ass battleground system like WAR or gutting the character progression aspect of the game... both of which would be retarded.
Sure, you get hammered by vets the first couple months you play. It's not that big of a deal, its not like you don't have a gajillion other sets of armor and weapons waiting in your bank(and 90% of the time they won't take your crap newb armor anyway). And it makes it all the more sweeter when you finally earn your big kid card. The whole instant gratification thing is really lame. Why even play an MMO if you want instant gratification... the whole point of MMOs is character development,even the PvP oriented ones.
As a side note I don't really understand how people get bored with PvE in this game. I can fully understand getting bored with tab/target 1,2,3 PvE of normal games with a bunch of generic quests I never bother to read anyway (other than Fallen Earth)... but I don't understand how anyone can get bored of the PvE in Darkfall when the mobs are generally pretty dynamic and their is always a measure of risk of getting PKed at any moment. I cycle between a half dozen hunting areas and occasionally move by base of operations around to get familiar with other parts of the game-world... I never come even close to getting bored.
Go to the newbie zone of a enemy race and PvP. The only thing stopping you is you.
The alternative is some lame ass battleground system like WAR or gutting the character progression aspect of the game... both of which would be retarded.
As a side note I don't really understand how people get bored with PvE in this game. I can fully understand getting bored with tab/target 1,2,3 PvE of normal games with a bunch of generic quests I never bother to read anyway (other than Fallen Earth)... but I don't understand how anyone can get bored of the PvE in Darkfall when the mobs are generally pretty dynamic and their is always a measure of risk of getting PKed at any moment.
Plus if you just move around to different areas of the world every now and then it keeps things pretty fresh.
You're right but nowadays gamers want the mountain brought to Mohamed, used to simple button mashing PvE which awards instant victory and awards that you don't have to travel more than 3 minutes from the quest giver to do. People get frustrated by Darkfall after having played games that have this kind of sorry excuse for PvE. Having to think for yourself and take risks and not have a set aggro range of 25 metres where they attack you one at a time like Jakie Chan online, is just too challenging for the post WoW generation for the most part.
Yeah he can PvP whenever he wants, but because he has to take a risk and a journey and work hard for the victory it's too hard. Well my advice is don't pay for a game that's too hard with boring PvE.
"Of all tyrannies, a tyranny sincerely exercised for the good of its victims may be the most oppressive. It would be better to live under robber barons than under omnipotent moral busybodies. The robber baron's cruelty may sometimes sleep, his cupidity may at some point be satiated; but those who torment us for our own good will torment us without end for they do so with the approval of their own conscience"
CS Lewis
when's the last time you played? Game's a LOT different now, man.
Edit: of course, Darkfall was never really meant to be a questing game, so you're not going to find EQ / WoW style shit here, even now.
About 5 hours ago. If the game was so awesomesauce and not such a grind fest there wouldn't constantly be 15-20 ppl goin afk in various clan cities making bloodwalls to grind out skills and there would also be a much larger player base than what there is.
To the other person who is attempting to educate me on the hardcoreness of the game, yah I don't mind that at all, but if your gonna make a game mostly based on pvp you may wanna make it accessible and doable by newcomers and not force them to grind for 3+ months at a minimum just to experience it without getting wtfpwn'd constantly with absolutely no chance.
Being that there is very little pve content or quests, as a new player you are bascially forced to grind the same mobs over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over, which there are very few different types of mobs new players can kill. Gnolls, kobolds and trolls all day long YAY! Oh, but I guess you could just sit around and hit a rock or tree node and watch your progress bar to grind stats as well so that's pretty awesome and exciting to.
A few other things that kill this game include:
Lack of variety in armor sets, everyone pretty much looks the same.
Not having to specialize in crafting makes for a shitty economy.
The chat system and UI are the worst I think I have ever seen.
Don't get me wrong I like the game and the concept, but as it is it's just a boring grind more so than other games due to the fact there isn't much pve and as a noob you really can't pvp to get your skills up. I bought a 6 month sub so AV's got some time to make some improvements before my sub runs out, but after that if it's still the same lame boring ass grind I won't be resubbing.
In conclusion, if I buy a game that advertises pretty much solely on the pvp factor I expect to be able to pvp within a reasonable amount of time. It's like buying an actual FPS game and not getting a gun and being able to shoot someone until you spend a month or 2 "earning" a gun, who want's to play that?
Edit: I would like the OP to post back when he/she gets tired of this grind, it may not happen, he/she may be one of the few that stick with it, but I'd be willing to bet he/she gets bored and quits like so many others between the 1-2 month mark.
Agreed for the most part. Darkfall just didnt do it for me. Hopefully with some updates this year they give the newcomers sometthing to do other then grinding skillups till your blue in the face...
"I play Tera for the gameplay"
Nice post OP : )
The AI is often more dynamic then other players (not always), but you can get surprised. Recently i moved back to a noob zone to do some title quest. And there were not much people there! After a week i got used to no people, standing in noob gear and killing mobs or harvesting. I got ganked alot too!
Now i have moved away again, and i see more and more people again : )
The grinding in DF is not more then any other MMO out there. pBut in DF all content is open for you from day one.
/signed
It's getting extremely rare to find games like this anymore. I'm sick of all the over-instanced, hold-me-by-the-hand, simple-minded shallow games that are flooding the market these days. Just let me do my own thing and leave me be, kthxbai!
"Censorship is never over for those who have experienced it. It is a brand on the imagination that affects the individual who has suffered it, forever." - Noam Chomsky
Just curious. What sites do you visit daily? I usually check massively.com, tentonhammer.com, and of course mmorpg.com.
Just curious. What sites do you visit daily? I usually check massively.com, tentonhammer.com, and of course mmorpg.com.
MMORPG.com, Massively, TTH, MMOCrunch, and KillTenRats are the mains that I frequent. Crunch and KillTenRats are more blog style like Massively is.
Current: BDO
Looking forward to: Crowfall & Chronicles of Elyria
Once again, what PvE are you even talking about? If you mean killing the same goblins, gnolls and trolls over and over until your bored to your death then yes, I guess that is indeed to hardcore for me. I don't really see what's so hardcore about grinding out the exact same mob over and over, maybe you can enlighten me?
Currently Playing: Toying around with AoC and bored with Darkfall
Thinking of Playing: Fallen Earth or Darkfall after this months update.
Have Played: EQ1, EQ2, WoW, WAR, Vanguard, EvE, Requiem, PW, Lotro, Lineage2, AoC, SWG...
That caught my eyes, please tell me more
Well its difficult to explain, the AI in-game is erratic at best. Here are some examples.
I swear that the Devs at AV have no concept of an aggro radius, which is annoying as hell sometimes.
There is no sneaking in, short of crouching which really just delays the aggro.
Mobs will range attack, unlike most games where they close the gap asap these will call reinforcements and cast spells or shoot some arrows at range.
If you or the mob closes the gap, they switch to melee.
If you have 2 on you, one will flank and attempt to do damage at 150% to your back.
If they are close to dieing they will run, leaving their back exposed, in an attempt to escape or call in reinforcements.
While running away these SOB mobs will zig zag all over the place, making it a challenge to put an arrow in the back or knock they down with a spell.
Add to this a crazy respawn timer that barely allows you to loot, and you have one hell of a crazy pve experience.
As others have stated, not much in the way of quests, but it is still the most fun that I have ever had grinding.
Current: BDO
Looking forward to: Crowfall & Chronicles of Elyria
The biggest problem with this game at this moment in time is there just isn't enough new players coming into the game and staying to really give other new players any decent pvp. Seriously, 9 times out of 10 you get obliterated by someone with 100-150 more HP than you and is hitting you for 40-60 dmg per hit. To many vets and not a big enough influx of new players. I did my time in the NEW clan and out of about 10-12 people I made friends with and hung with in that clan, maybe 1-2 are still around after their 30 days in NEW. Also, it's not like it isn't obvious on the official forums that new players aren't happy, hell some vets are saying it to, with the game being there are atleast 3 or 4 threads a day on the stat gain issue, some of which have reached 30+ pages. Hardcore lol, gonna hardcore your game in the ground if you can't keep new players interested in it and playing. I'm sure AV is aware they have a problem with their retention rate and I'm confident some changes will come to alleviate these issues, but the question is when.
Edit: Gonna add a few more things to my list of things that kill this game:
Lack of lore makes for a boring ass game.
Empty NPC cities with very boring NPC's, most of which that have no quests.
Currently Playing: Toying around with AoC and bored with Darkfall
Thinking of Playing: Fallen Earth or Darkfall after this months update.
Have Played: EQ1, EQ2, WoW, WAR, Vanguard, EvE, Requiem, PW, Lotro, Lineage2, AoC, SWG...
Ok really, enough.
This is an MMORPG, not an FPS.
To me, and I'm sure to most, it would seem quite obvious that new players wouldn't be on equal terms with vets at the starting gate, due to the PROGRESSIVE nature of MMORPGs.
I don't give a shit WHAT MMO you play, vets are going to wtfpwn the n00bs.
Expect it, deal with it, skill up and get even. But stop whining.
Get a weapon to mastery and use better weapons and gear. Read this: www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/265865/Game-Mechanics-The-Numbers.html
The gist behind Darkfalls lore is that their was a civilization in the past but most of the information about it is lost. Dynamic Lore events like: www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/265472/Dynamic-Lore-Event-Trinkets-of-Blood-EU.html are awesome.
Our cities are not empty.
Actually in a sense it sort of is a FPS wrapped in an mmorpg, being the targetting system is just that. The complaint here is there are not enough new ppl around for other new ppl to pvp with so instead it's constantly newb vs vet and duh we know who is gonna win that, but thanks for your enlightening comments fanboy.
Currently Playing: Toying around with AoC and bored with Darkfall
Thinking of Playing: Fallen Earth or Darkfall after this months update.
Have Played: EQ1, EQ2, WoW, WAR, Vanguard, EvE, Requiem, PW, Lotro, Lineage2, AoC, SWG...