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So I ran into someone who hates us ex-SWG players...
Linna
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www.aionsource.com/forum/culture-media/102027-mmo-blues.html
The most amazing thing... I posted a list of things I've observed as going wrong with MMOs, driving out people in my guild and other guilds we play with. I mention a few things that DID work ok, and boom, here's this person making the most outrageous claims:
- there was no PVP before the CU, just duelling
- you needed full groups of 20 to do the missions,
- pistoleers could not solo lairs and he spent entire days LFG
- mission terminals didn't give more mobs if you took missions while in larger groups
- teras kasi were never a part of star wars (well, he does think only the first 3 movies count, apparently)
So weird. He doesn't know jack about the game-that-was, but insists on flaming us as a group because we'd love it if SW:TOR brought some of the good times back. Anyone else running into this type of madness?
Linna
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I think that SWG is the black sheep of the MMORPG family. That can make current (and former) players somewhat of a social pariah.
A lot of folks think SWG was a crappy game and has become the worst game ever made. So, people that still play it must be absolute morons AND people that still gripe about it would also be absolute morons. I'm not saying that's how I believe, that's just the perception I'm picking up.
SWG - the game everyone loves to hate. But, does everyone love to constantly hear from those that constantly hate?
Well , You have covered both side of that coin . Believe it or not, considering what you just said based on your perception and not what you believe is not true. Under what you have said I must be the king of those who still have a gripe with the game but to be honest with you I would not call the folks still playing the Game "absolute morons"
What you call perception and belief in your case is the same - seeing is believing but it appears that there is a benefit for you , you get to dislike all involved in the SWG debate.
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Maybe those people wouldnt be so quick to hate old SWG vets if alot of those vets did less whining about the "good old days". Pre-NGE was the most perfect mmo ever created. Yes, we get it. Now can we move on with our lives?
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
If thats all you're hearing then I think yo're missing the point(s) of this "great debate".
I think a lot of people confuse "passion" with "hate". Being a lifelong Star Wars fan(atic), it shocks the hell out of me that Galaxies can be such a mess.
Star Wars is arguably the EASIEST IP to develop and sell in the history of gaming. Wanna make some easy $? Sell a Star Wars game. Video games not even resembling the movies have been MAJOR hits. KotOR is a prime example - aside from the planet names and lightsabers, nothing about KotOR is something you wouldn't find in any generic sci-fi game like Mass Effect (generic droids™, big space ships, laser guns, sorta mando'ish armor). With all the successes in games relating to the Star Wars IP, with the exception of Jar Jar's Journey, Galaxies is the ONLY one to completely fail on doing Star Wars right...and that baffles the **edit** out of me. What other IP can produce 3 zillion versions of Darth Maul action figures and sell them all? GI Joe? HA! Star Trek? Not a chance. Star Wars sells.
SoE, not Galaxies, is why people dislike the game. Maybe it's the CU for some, NGE for others, TCG for someone else, Pink flying Ewoks with purple hearts for me, zombies for my son...no matter what the reason someone dislikes the game, SoE is the root of that problem. Star Wars should be easy as hell to deliver on...SoE can't seem to figure it out though.
It's not "hate" in the least (for me), it's disbelief.
You say that like there's only a handful of "old SWG vets". Sadly, the "vets" greatly outnumber the players. Given that fact, I guess it's easy to see why you think so many are dwelling on the past. The reality is, there are so many PAST players that I think it may skew your perception slightly.
lol if you think it can't get shittier then what happened since the NGE then someone mentions zombies in SWG..lol ..
really... zombies ??? wth did they smoke over there at $OE lol
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-We finally WON !!!! 2011 $OE accepted that they have been fired 2005 by the playerbase and closed down ridiculous NGE !!
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lol if you think it can't get shittier then what happened since the NGE then someone mentions zombies in SWG..lol ..
really... zombies ??? wth did they smoke over there at $OE lol
Yup...I completely agree! Fairy wings, pink flying Ewoks with purple hearts, batman wings and...zombies...wow lol...and to think, all these years I thought Star Trek was goofy.
I did not review the link you provided. Sorry but my time is short today. However, I fully understand what you are saying and have seen such vitriol infused responses when SWG is mentioned. If you wnat to see worse, go over to the SW:tOR forums. Any time SWG is mentioned and how you would like to see some elements of it placed in SW:tOR, oh my geez, the SWG haters ome out in force. They will "remind you" of how much SWG sucked and how much they do not want to play SWG 2. It was bad. I was asking for a meaningful and in-depth crafting system, similar to SWG's, and man, did I get hate for that one.
There's one thread in particular. It's in the Character Classes main section.
http://www.swtor.com/community/showthread.php?t=107714
In that thread, I am BlazeIV.
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Sweet geezus! And people think WE are angry and rude?! ToR is bound to be riddled with controversy...players who HATE SWG and players who want it to be SWG:2. I feel sorry for Bioware in that respect. No matter what they release, there will be a massive base of players FURIOUS with how they implemented something.
It still amazes me how many people will read a thread they don't like, and then intrude upon it, telling others to stop talking. Try that at your local pub or coffee shop. I don't think it'll go over very well.
Yes, plenty of skewed perceptions about this game from various angles. Really, I think the way the game was dismantled and reinvented (repeatedly) caused a lot of strong feelings. It was very divisive. Strong feelings colour the way people see things, and lead them to say the strangest things.
Yes, plenty of skewed perceptions about this game from various angles. Really, I think the way the game was dismantled and reinvented (repeatedly) caused a lot of strong feelings. It was very divisive. Strong feelings colour the way people see things, and lead them to say things that appear outrageous from an outside point of view.
I personally hold SOE and LucasArts accountable for what I see as exceptionally poor management of this MMO and its community. From the look of things, I don't think this has improved much over the years. The current community manager, for example, seems to stir up more controversy than many of his predecessors. The addition of RMT (and the TCG loot lottery) also seems quite divisive imo. I bet charging people a fee to move off of recently closed servers also doesn't give people a warm feeling.
My guess is SOE is just getting what funds they can before they close the game shortly after SW:TOR's release.
Here's to hoping those funds go to a good game.
"The question that sometimes drives me hazy: Am I, or the others crazy?" - Albert Einstein
I enjoyed the orignal SWG but I agree with the guy against you, I get sick of hearing the vailed comments that just show that folks are hoping that Bio Ware will do anything to pay "homage" to the old SWG. What I do want is for them to make a game that is fun entertaining and lasting, I could care less if they remind me of times playing SWG as I've had fun playing other games as well even other mmo's for that matter.
SWG was an overated game to me in comparison to what we get from mmo's now it was pretty bare bones too. Again what to me was fun about SWG had absolutely nothing to do with anything that SOE did with the game which was the one thing about the entire experience that was bad but what we thought about each other and our travels.
I even saw one guy try to equate SWG to "creating your own epic story" as opposed to being given one like most mmo's do now, really? I would love to see the book that's wrote (without embelishment) about the experiences had in SWG.
I was there from the beginning and I think if people look past the experiences they got from the people they played with and the good convo we had we'd see there was not much "game" to SWG and while there in fact was a "world" it was and is pretty barren.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
I think his knowledge of SWG is obviously limited, if not downright ignorant. I knew many t-21 toting riflemen with terrain negotiation in the CU that would eat TK's for breakfast. But, *hey* the CU didn't gimp our old TK's. I played one until the bitter end with great amounts of success (anti-decay kit in the knuckler of katarn with master doc and debuffs from polie).
What is really unfortunate is he derailed a very good post on your part.
Played (more than a month): SWG, Second Life, Tabula Rasa, Lineage 2, Everquest 2, EvE, MxO, Ryzom.
Tried: WoW, Shadowbane, Anarchy Online, Everquest, WWII Online, Planetside
Beta: Lotro, Tabula Rasa, WAR.
Exactly! I have never felt this thing called "hate." It's just not in my nature.
Passion, however, I have in spades. Whether it be ideas, books I like, movies -- you name it. If I am into it, I dive into it with gusto. So when I discuss how my favorite game based in perhaps my favorite universe got sooooo messed up, I get excited. I have yet to feel hate or real anger over any of this.
People get the wrong idea about people on the internet all the time. They get ME wrong, and I get them wrong.
When I met Blixdev, he said to me...ohhhh your the "angry guy!" I laughed and smiled at him, as did my wife. I said nope, just passionate about the game.
I think we should always realize we aren't seeing their faces, and hearing their actual inflection, and biting, passionate words may be just emphasis, not hate.
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As for the earlier posted stuff about SWG / SWTOR, I'm holding off on TOR big time until I see more reviews from a wide variety of MMO players.
I'm more concerned with what Lucasarts and BioWare has been saying regarding TOR's development decisions. Alot of their choice of words has been all too familiar.
"I have only two out of my company and 20 out of some other company. We need support, but it is almost suicide to try to get it here as we are swept by machine gun fire and a constant barrage is on us. I have no one on my left and only a few on my right. I will hold." (First Lieutenant Clifton B. Cates, US Marine Corps, Soissons, 19 July 1918)
SWG'S is still the best mmo out there
In what respect? Best at what? Offering a little bit of every thing? Combat? PvP? Space? Social? Please expand on what you mean by the "best". The only thing I feel SWG does "the best" is player housing...so could you please be more specific?
IMO, STO is more Star Wars'y than SWG. Star Wars was epic battles, huge fights, good vs. evil. STO (from what I have seen) is much more along those lines than SWG has ever been. There are no fairy wings, no zombies that I've seen and space combat is a focus, not an afterthought. SWG (currently) falls much more in line with what I feel STO should be - a bit goofy and flamboyant.
Exactly! I have never felt this thing called "hate." It's just not in my nature.
Passion, however, I have in spades. Whether it be ideas, books I like, movies -- you name it. If I am into it, I dive into it with gusto. So when I discuss how my favorite game based in perhaps my favorite universe got sooooo messed up, I get excited. I have yet to feel hate or real anger over any of this.
People get the wrong idea about people on the internet all the time. They get ME wrong, and I get them wrong.
When I met Blixdev, he said to me...ohhhh your the "angry guy!" I laughed and smiled at him, as did my wife. I said nope, just passionate about the game.
I think we should always realize we aren't seeing their faces, and hearing their actual inflection, and biting, passionate words may be just emphasis, not hate.
Great clarification Fisher. Text is the form of communication that is perhaps most likely to be misinterpreted due to our own assumptions, expectations and biases. I find it helpful to remind myself of this periodically. When I forget, someone usually helps me out
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I enjoyed the orignal SWG but I agree with the guy against you, I get sick of hearing the vailed comments that just show that folks are hoping that Bio Ware will do anything to pay "homage" to the old SWG. What I do want is for them to make a game that is fun entertaining and lasting, I could care less if they remind me of times playing SWG as I've had fun playing other games as well even other mmo's for that matter.
SWG was an overated game to me in comparison to what we get from mmo's now it was pretty bare bones too. Again what to me was fun about SWG had absolutely nothing to do with anything that SOE did with the game which was the one thing about the entire experience that was bad but what we thought about each other and our travels.
I even saw one guy try to equate SWG to "creating your own epic story" as opposed to being given one like most mmo's do now, really? I would love to see the book that's wrote (without embelishment) about the experiences had in SWG.
I was there from the beginning and I think if people look past the experiences they got from the people they played with and the good convo we had we'd see there was not much "game" to SWG and while there in fact was a "world" it was and is pretty barren.
I can see what you're saying, but the whole whining about bioware not making swg2 was made up then over exaggerated. Sure there are alot of people wanting some of the things from swg, and there are some that want swg2, but it didnt come from the "vets" as a group. I think it was a poor marketing ploy that backfired. The 'vets' were the very first, the very first, group of people who realized it wouldnt be anything like swg. Anything now, was created from that original onslaught, or marketing campaign. Far more people are expecting a WOW clone. However, if you can make that case when no one Ive asked has yet been able to, please do. I enjoy being wrong.
As far as the rest of your post, MMORPGs are about people populating them. The stories were epic, because the people you played with made them epic from actual gameplay. They were "true" stories in the sense that they were based on actual events that actually happened in game. They werent predefined events that you could follow, where the "epic" parts were not playable, but are words that are supposed to make what you doing epic. Hope you can see what Im saying.
And ya, we got screwed on the "game" part of SWG that was supposed to be there.
See you in the dream..
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Exactly! I have never felt this thing called "hate." It's just not in my nature.
Passion, however, I have in spades. Whether it be ideas, books I like, movies -- you name it. If I am into it, I dive into it with gusto. So when I discuss how my favorite game based in perhaps my favorite universe got sooooo messed up, I get excited. I have yet to feel hate or real anger over any of this.
People get the wrong idea about people on the internet all the time. They get ME wrong, and I get them wrong.
When I met Blixdev, he said to me...ohhhh your the "angry guy!" I laughed and smiled at him, as did my wife. I said nope, just passionate about the game.
I think we should always realize we aren't seeing their faces, and hearing their actual inflection, and biting, passionate words may be just emphasis, not hate.
Great clarification Fisher. Text is the form of communication that is perhaps most likely to be misinterpreted due to our own assumptions, expectations and biases. I find it helpful to remind myself of this periodically. When I forget, someone usually helps me out
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I dunno, Ive never mistaken either of you 2 as being angry or whining or bitter. The both of you are too well spoken and polite and willing to understand to give off that impression. Maybe if people were assuming instead of taking what you post as it is. You guys are the nicest people around here. But I guess it happens..
See you in the dream..
The Fires from heaven, now as cold as ice. A rapid ascension tolls a heavy price.
*cries* still miss original SWG
I find it amazing that SOE kept to their guns and never admitted they were absolutely wrong for what they did to the game. So unethical and condescending of them, I still hate all involved in destroying SWG.
...No clue why I am even replying to this thread, but I felt the Force.
SWG, when it hit the market, was one heck of a game. I left SWG after some major changes were decided that totally ignored the investment of real-time that I placed into the game. My life is not an MMORPG, I do not respawn and get to do-over. What's done here, in the real world, is done.
My Story:
After spending an hour of gruelling search, investigation and sorting rumors, I finally found the location of a very rare feline, as a Creature Tamer. This little kitty killed me about six times before I changed my strategy. Instead of galloping through the marsh, splashing water, making huge amounts of noise, I decided that crawling would be my last effort in taming such a beast.
I began crawling almost 2 kilometers from the area I found. I tried closer ranges, but ended up mauled to death by this little kitty who was very sensitve to noise. Finally, after crawling from half-way across the planet, the kitten fell to my superior taming skills. After the third hour, I had finally felt the woes of being a member of that class.
As we know now, the Creature Tamer Class was exploited. The flaws were to great for devs to ignore. Since I am a casual gamer, information about the change to my class was discovered upon logging in, after a long day at work... My class has been all but deleted. With that, all my time invested was discarded and ignored by the powers that be. It insulted me to no end. So I quit playing... I never even got the chance to immerse myself into the lore or other parts of the game that were not broken/exploited.
After returning a couple years later, I found a huge spaceship and some other eyecandy at my finger tips. It still wasn't enough to make up for what happened (as you can tell... I'm still a bit sore over it.) But, I will donate yet another sub for a month, come back to the game and log it's progress. Afterward, I will await the up-coming SW:TOR and compare. I'm sure many, many people have the same curiousity.
I hope that this example of "why life isn't fair, and I need something to hate." sheds more light on the plethora of players who have an equal amount of reasons why they come back, why they flame, and why they re-sub to once again leave with no regrets. We understand your love and passion, why can't you see the truth for what it is to us?
See all of you current and vet SWG players in the new release of SWG:TOR.
Just amazing. I actually chatted with someone once that didn't know there was even a game prior to NGE! Couldn't understand why it was call 'New Game Experience'. That was a fun chat.
Hi Linna!
SWG (pre-cu) - AoC (pre-f2p) - PotBS (pre-boarder) - DDO - LotRO (pre-f2p) - STO (pre-f2p) - GnH (beta tester) - SWTOR - Neverwinter