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Will PS3 allow Voice Com of some sort?
BeefMach1ne
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I know on the PC people often use Ventrilo or Teamspeak to organize big battles and voice com is just infinitely better than typing everything out. Although there really isn't a way to use Ventrilo on the PS3 even if you go through the trouble of loading an OS.
So I want to know will the FFXIV game allow some type of in game voice com? Between party members at least? I'm on the fence between ps3( I know it will run great on) and my pc ( it is starting to show its age) But if I 'm out of the communication loop I might just go on at get it on the PC because that's ultimately what this mmo is about.
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It already has a bluetooth headset used for other games such as CoD MW2
I did think of maybe having a wireless headset and using my PC just as a ventrilo slave lol.
I honestly hope not.
Personally I don't really like the idea of voice chat for an MMO such as this for the reason not everyone has the capability of voice chatting. For instance you could have one person who is using voice chat that never types trying to communicate with someone who doesn't have a headset. There is already a natural break down in communication when one person can't hear the other person (also would be a problem for the hearing-impaired population when everyone is voice chatting and they physically can't hear them). A keyboard is a requirement -- a headset is not -- and by forcing the greater population to use it as the primary means of communication then you are conforming the common denominator which is the best thing when trying to build a game/community. You always have the option of going over the top and as long it remains over the top and doesn't segregate the population as the people who use voice chat think they are "teh uber 1337" and don't accept the non-voice chat people and vice-versa.
For me personally I don't really want to listen to people banter and bitch when I am playing. FFXI was great where I could really focus on the party and the goals of my immediate group over the needs and bitching of my linkshell. There were a lot of times when I was in shell and drama was going on and I never noticed because everything was blended in so well with things in the chat window that I could concentrate on my thing, but if i needed to I could focus on the shell too. I'd find it very distracting to have someone chatting in my ear while I am trying to focus on. The only time I use voice chat is for Modern Warfare 2 (on the 360 btw) and only with my friends. I really can't stand listening to the shit talking (I mute half the people anyway) and when I have my friends talking to me I am still having some game play issues because my focus is split between listening to them talking and doing my thing. Which coincidentally why mandating that you can't use a cell phone without a headset is bullshit because your focus is still split just the same as if you had the phone in your hand ... but that is a post for another time.
The use of voice chat in raid situations is paramount, it could mean all the difference in sucess or failure. If a person is serious about being a good player they atleast have to be able to listen. It is also up to the leaders to make sure to have a mature guild on voice chat. It also does divide the guild if some dont get on vent, there is also a lack of communication, because no one wastse time to type instructions. IMO if a player doesnt want to be on vent to atleast listen to what the raid is about they dont deserve to be in the high end guild. Again it is up to the leaders of the guild to keep vent under control so its enjoyable for everyone and a productive experience.
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Now Playing: N/A
Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
If they do have voice chat Id like them to fix a problem that no one to date has addressed. Loud static and loud people. Some voice chat systems are prone to loud static when someone has a faulty mic. And always there is the problem of people that get excited and start raising their voice. Its not good for your hearing. I think a good voice chat system should have 2 volume controls. The normal volume control that controls average volume, and a second volume control that would control maximum allowed volume. That way when people yell or there is static distortion it does not allow the headset to blow out your ears. Headsets need to have a cap on volume.
Icon67 I see where you are coming from but you got to remember this fact. Most of FFXIV members at launch are going to be groups of friends from FFXI or other MMO's, So I think they should atleast have some sort of function to where you can enable voice chat, Even If I was using voice chat I would still type like I do on other MMO's, i did it on WoW as well because there was always people who couldn't use ventrillo and it wasn't a big deal. The reason I want voice chat because when it launched I am going to be playing with my 2 brothers, my dad, 2 RL friends, and several online friends and we will be grouping together, and a voice chat function would be a hell of a lot easier to discuss things especially when you are new to keyboard functions in a new MMO.
That is my point is that it will divide a guild to have half using and half not using. Since the keyboard is the common denominator between all parties, it should be used as the primary means on communication. If the game comes bundled with a headset then you have a different ball game, but I doubt it will. If voice chat ended up being the make or break for a guild it would be like junior varsity basketball in high school: Everyone can come out and play, but if you aren't already 6 foot and can jump 4 feet in the air you will sit on the bench, but at least you are on the team.
As far as everything else, I respectfully disagree (and also personified the exact attitude I was talking about with the "teh uber 1337" line). Use of voice chat doesn't dictate your value to the raid. People who can't hear, don't have the equipment, or choose not to use it are of no less value to the raid then some ugly, obese, asthmic, acne-infected, loser who lacks the will power to lift his arm high enough to move the microphone from under his nose. Breathe ... breathe ... flem ... "okay" ... breathe ... potato chips ... breathe.
It is all about knowing your role in the raid. Whenever I have raided I never had a leader specifically tell me what to do through a microphone or typing. Typically instructions were on the forums on what would happen. You give them a once over before you start. If you have a question you ask. I have never had a leader go over everything from the start usually it is only a one line reminder like "Remember to run away when ability X happens" or more commonly "Go". Maybe I am just lucky and my raids have been more like "okay you follow me and make shit hurt."
All I know in MW2 when I am on a team with my friends he will be like "watch out guy coming up behind you" to which I respond with "yup, already respawned."
I played FFXI for years, and to be quite honest I never even knew there was any form of voice chat. And looking back now I don't feel like I was ever at a disadvantage, nor did I notice any trouble grouping or anything because of my lack of voice chat. So I don't really see why it might be a problem if FFXIV somehow incorporated it as an option.
Okay first of all I apologize I didn't realize this was a wedge issue that would strike a chord with some people I simply was asking a question.
Next I would like to say that Although I cannot speak for FF11 raids I can speak for WoW raids I will not compare the two but I guess the demands of raids are less in FF11 than they are in some of WoW's raids (Keyword SOME most of them aren't that hard) Some of the raids require constant movement and communication. One that comes to mind is Kalecgos I won't explain the fight because there is enough former WoW players here the may have done the fight. It is not something you could do with just typing out instructions I'm sorry you just cannot. (Pre-nerf anyway)
So if FFXIV has scaled down battle intensity ( I don't need skill spam type action but at least something to keep things fun) then I guess typing will suffice. I understand that is is basically turned based so everyone waits to be attacked so maybe it is slow enough...
from what ive played of FFXI's endgame (played since jan. 05) there is just as much of a WANT for headsets then there is on any MMO. FFXI has alot of difficult and time consuming endgame that takes quite a bit of pre-planning and learning to accomplish. Some events like say Dynamis are a bit slower and are much more doable (if set up before hand) without everyone having headsets, but things like Salvage, where you need to decide what drops go to who quickly and things can get out of hand very easly, it feels almost nessicary to uses VC.
The thing is most games don't NEED built in communication, but it's defnitly a want amont the endgame crowd. Before then there is almost no need for it. Would i like for SE to add in VC that goes cross platforms (PS3 and PC) ...hell yes, but not as a required thing, just as an optional thing. Hopefully they actually listen and add somthing in, but i doubt it will happen right away (which we don;t need right away, since noone will be on endgame for a while) but if there is enough of an outcry for it later down the line, it seems much more possible nowadays with the technology we have (also not being restricted to 56k limit helps majorly)
That is my point is that it will divide a guild to have half using and half not using. Since the keyboard is the common denominator between all parties, it should be used as the primary means on communication. If the game comes bundled with a headset then you have a different ball game, but I doubt it will. If voice chat ended up being the make or break for a guild it would be like junior varsity basketball in high school: Everyone can come out and play, but if you aren't already 6 foot and can jump 4 feet in the air you will sit on the bench, but at least you are on the team.
As far as everything else, I respectfully disagree (and also personified the exact attitude I was talking about with the "teh uber 1337" line). Use of voice chat doesn't dictate your value to the raid. People who can't hear, don't have the equipment, or choose not to use it are of no less value to the raid then some ugly, obese, asthmic, acne-infected, loser who lacks the will power to lift his arm high enough to move the microphone from under his nose. Breathe ... breathe ... flem ... "okay" ... breathe ... potato chips ... breathe.
It is all about knowing your role in the raid. Whenever I have raided I never had a leader specifically tell me what to do through a microphone or typing. Typically instructions were on the forums on what would happen. You give them a once over before you start. If you have a question you ask. I have never had a leader go over everything from the start usually it is only a one line reminder like "Remember to run away when ability X happens" or more commonly "Go". Maybe I am just lucky and my raids have been more like "okay you follow me and make shit hurt."
All I know in MW2 when I am on a team with my friends he will be like "watch out guy coming up behind you" to which I respond with "yup, already respawned."
Ok we agree that it divides the guild. It should be stated before a person joins a guild that voice chat is a requirement.(in which most guilds already have that requirement)
I strongly disagree with the paragragh i highlighted in red. I dont know about you but I only have 2 hands. So when shit hits the fan the ability to communicate via talk is of great importance to communicate what to do and getting everybody on the same page while taking care of business. Trying to type out instructions while trying to avoid a wipe is not half as effective. Any serious end game raider knows this. Theres nothing about "teh uber 1337" garbage about it. I didnt use to be a fan of vent/ts until I realized how important it really is. Knowing your role is all fine and dandy when everything is going like its suposed to, What seperates the good guilds from the average ones is how well they hold there composure when it all goes to hell in a handbasket.
Voice chat is superior to typing in everyway shape and form, not using it if your guild offers it is a self imposed handicap. Sorry if you disagee, sorry if you dont like it, but thats the way it is.
Comparing MW2 chat to a guild chat is absurd. You know the people in a guild you play with them everyday. Theres no comparision to xbox live/psn vs ts/vent.
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Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
I'm sorry, there is just something screwed up about a "role-playing-game" with voice chat. Big breasted elves with masculine voices talking about taking their dog for a dump doesn't work for me. One of the reasons I quit Warhammer Online was due to ventrillo this ventrillo that. Join my vent channel here, join it there. Even when I joined a channel, there was absolutely no information provided that couldn't have been done with a keyboard. "Stop" "Attack" "Go" "Assist" "Run" Yippee. Maybe I'm just old school, played everquest 1 on day 1 it was released and thought it was the best experience ever. Graphics and voice and bla bla bla are nothing compared to the human immersion factor. Oh well, maybe role-playing is just dead forever.
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The use of voice chat in raid situations is paramount, it could mean all the difference in sucess or failure. If a person is serious about being a good player they atleast have to be able to listen. It is also up to the leaders to make sure to have a mature guild on voice chat. It also does divide the guild if some dont get on vent, there is also a lack of communication, because no one wastse time to type instructions. IMO if a player doesnt want to be on vent to atleast listen to what the raid is about they dont deserve to be in the high end guild. Again it is up to the leaders of the guild to keep vent under control so its enjoyable for everyone and a productive experience.
I find that the opposite is true. I have been in many raid situations, with and without voice communication. With voice, it's much easier to be a "bad player" and still do well. It's more likely that the raid leader or someone else will tell you exactly when and what you're doing wrong, instead of having to understand the situation yourself. As a good player, it's up to him/her to understand exactly what's going on, to the best of their ability, in every situation.
Granted, without voice communication, raiding is more difficult - planning and coordinating is just that much harder. Without voice, you need disciplined and skilled players to pull off a difficult task.
I'm not against voice. In PvP games like Darkfall, I think voice is an absolute must. But in true RPGs (FFXIV), I find that voice takes away from both immersion and challenge.
I find that the opposite is true. I have been in many raid situations, with and without voice communication. With voice, it's much easier to be a "bad player" and still do well. It's more likely that the raid leader or someone else will tell you exactly when and what you're doing wrong, instead of having to understand the situation yourself. As a good player, it's up to him/her to understand exactly what's going on, to the best of their ability, in every situation.
Granted, without voice communication, raiding is more difficult - planning and coordinating is just that much harder. Without voice, you need disciplined and skilled players to pull off a difficult task.
I'm not against voice. In PvP games like Darkfall, I think voice is an absolute must. But in true RPGs (FFXIV), I find that voice takes away from both immersion and challenge.
See one of my points just proven. Voice chat makes people better. If your already a good player it just makes you that much better. Getting a bad player or two to "do well" may mean all the difference in a kill or a wipe!!!!
Now I have no argument about voice chat killing immersion or destroying RPG elements for the RP'ers. I have to agree with you guys on that. As for effectiveness in playing, voice chat is by far superior to typing. Your only fooling yourselef if you think otherwise.
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Worst MMO: FFXIV
Favorite MMO: FFXI
That is my point is that it will divide a guild to have half using and half not using. Since the keyboard is the common denominator between all parties, it should be used as the primary means on communication. If the game comes bundled with a headset then you have a different ball game, but I doubt it will. If voice chat ended up being the make or break for a guild it would be like junior varsity basketball in high school: Everyone can come out and play, but if you aren't already 6 foot and can jump 4 feet in the air you will sit on the bench, but at least you are on the team.
As far as everything else, I respectfully disagree (and also personified the exact attitude I was talking about with the "teh uber 1337" line). Use of voice chat doesn't dictate your value to the raid. People who can't hear, don't have the equipment, or choose not to use it are of no less value to the raid then some ugly, obese, asthmic, acne-infected, loser who lacks the will power to lift his arm high enough to move the microphone from under his nose. Breathe ... breathe ... flem ... "okay" ... breathe ... potato chips ... breathe.
It is all about knowing your role in the raid. Whenever I have raided I never had a leader specifically tell me what to do through a microphone or typing. Typically instructions were on the forums on what would happen. You give them a once over before you start. If you have a question you ask. I have never had a leader go over everything from the start usually it is only a one line reminder like "Remember to run away when ability X happens" or more commonly "Go". Maybe I am just lucky and my raids have been more like "okay you follow me and make shit hurt."
All I know in MW2 when I am on a team with my friends he will be like "watch out guy coming up behind you" to which I respond with "yup, already respawned."
Ok we agree that it divides the guild. It should be stated before a person joins a guild that voice chat is a requirement.(in which most guilds already have that requirement)
I strongly disagree with the paragragh i highlighted in red. I dont know about you but I only have 2 hands. So when shit hits the fan the ability to communicate via talk is of great importance to communicate what to do and getting everybody on the same page while taking care of business. Trying to type out instructions while trying to avoid a wipe is not half as effective. Any serious end game raider knows this. Theres nothing about "teh uber 1337" garbage about it. I didnt use to be a fan of vent/ts until I realized how important it really is. Knowing your role is all fine and dandy when everything is going like its suposed to, What seperates the good guilds from the average ones is how well they hold there composure when it all goes to hell in a handbasket.
Voice chat is superior to typing in everyway shape and form, not using it if your guild offers it is a self imposed handicap. Sorry if you disagee, sorry if you dont like it, but thats the way it is.
Comparing MW2 chat to a guild chat is absurd. You know the people in a guild you play with them everyday. Theres no comparision to xbox live/psn vs ts/vent.
Well first off ... @BeefMach1ne
pffft ... this isn't a wedge. Just two conflicting views that exist in the same world. If you wanna see wedges check out some of the other crap on here ... boy it is bad.
Anywho ... back to the quote.
I think it also goes back to my point about needed to know your role. If shit starts hitting the fan you should be good enough with your role that you should be able to recover nicely. I mean you have played the job for how many levels (I'd say 75 and just compare with FFXI for the sake of continuity) you should know how to play your job by then. If you are not then the problem doesn't lay with the communication it lays with the player. If you have to have your leader tell you what to do or need to wait for approval to do something when all hell is breaking lose then you are costing your team valuable time that it probably doesn't have if someone is jumping down your throat to move.
There is a reason that I give people the same advice when they go up to Alexander or Ultima or the like: You have played this job for 75 levels. You know how to play it, just go out there and do it. Don't think, don't panic, just go win. I mean how many time in Dynamis did I find myself being the only BLM alive and having a Pull and an Add group to worry about. You just go do it. If I am not paying attention and not know how to do my job effectively no amount of chatting is going to help.
Not saying that voice chat doesn't have merits, but I have witnessed how it can alienate people who can't use it and if it comes to something like that I'd rather get rid of it entirely than to have even one person turned into an outcast because they can't talk to other players.
Since it appears that this question has yet to be answered:
For now, however, you're going to need either a "high spec" PC or a PS3 to get your fix. What nobody's getting on any platform, however, is built-in voice communication. Square's keeping Final Fantasy XIV strictly text chat only—Sage Sundi, global online producer, suggested that Skype and Ventrilo are still your best bets.
Sounds good to me, already have a Ventrilo server running for our LS, and I prefer text for in-game anyway!
@Icon67: The point you stated about dividing the guild is somewhat false, one with a ps3 built in voice, as long as you had volume you would be able to hear what is being said via TV speakers or surround sound if you use it. Plus there is no problem with communication. I have lead guilds and Linkshells where I was doing end game events and on both occasions I would have pre-typed text aka Macros with strats for those that were new to the raids and didn't have voice comm. Also had specific macros with whistles or calls that said move back or fall in or do this or that for those who wasn't using voice comm. There has never been a problem between those who use mics and those who can't. If they have a question they just asked ahead of time and it was addressed or was addressed on the spot if deemed necessary. I do understand what you are saying and take what you say into consideration, but this is also the reason I said I hope there is the ability to have VC as an option. Ofcourse typing will always be the main form of communication in an MMORPG, but with that being said times are moving forward and the majority of the people would like voice chat options from the start.
If we don't get voice chat though to me it is not really a big deal, it would just be a nice perk and a lot of people who have never played an MMO and are used to having voice chat on all other games they play online, this function would be even more of an incentive to these players. Some people still would turn down the game simply for lack of multiple communication forms.
The use of voice chat in raid situations is paramount, it could mean all the difference in sucess or failure. If a person is serious about being a good player they atleast have to be able to listen. It is also up to the leaders to make sure to have a mature guild on voice chat. It also does divide the guild if some dont get on vent, there is also a lack of communication, because no one wastse time to type instructions. IMO if a player doesnt want to be on vent to atleast listen to what the raid is about they dont deserve to be in the high end guild. Again it is up to the leaders of the guild to keep vent under control so its enjoyable for everyone and a productive experience.
Shhhhttt don't talk! You make no sense sir...
I'm gonna give you a taste or reality. Alot of people in this world are deaf, one of them being my real life friend who is BORN almost totally deaf. He wear hearing aids and is used to read people's lips to understand what is being said to him. Even with his hearing aids, he can't understand people through voice chats... and there's many more people living like this than you think...
He love to play MMORPGs just like the rest of you all. He's not retarded... he enjoys games and laugh and oh wait... he also love to raid in MMORPGs with ME but the poor guy is DEAF and it make me mad when people like yourself say that he don't deserve to raid in a high end raiding guild because he don't / can't use voice chats.
You deserve a BIG spank on your uneducated arse for being ignorant like that!
Think before you speak, and show some compassion toward disabled people!
Oh and... you know that you CAN RAID and be successful without voice chat right? I've done in it the past in EQ1 and other MMORPGs and some guilds still raid without voice chat.
Also... I'd rather have a fun experience being unsucessful than a not fun productive experience under pressure in a high end raiding guild with people yelling at each for no other reasons than killing a named made of pixels...
Anyways...
Now playing : FFXIV
Waiting on : TBD
Best MMORPGs played : EQ, FFXI
i dont really know much about the FF games but, i do know that for certain games, Voice comms is a requirement, and is usually built into the game itself - Eve has its own channel specific comms, but most tend to use vent or ts anyway, the guild im currently in, Vent is a requirement, even if you dont own a mic, being able to hear instructions is necessary, not being able to, would probably mean not being able to participate in fleet roams etc. its not elitist, its just that games have evolved over the years, and text chat, while useful, is slow, and depending on the person typing, not always immediately understandable. For better or worse, Voice comms are probably going to be even more prevalent in present and future games, the ability to use them, will inevitably, become more of a requirement.
Maybe everything else that's ripe with PvP, where players demand wanting to bounce around like tards and cause a ton of headache and harassment. Not only in FFXI is the combat and just about everything else you do around 80% slower than well; everything else, from what I see already in FXIV from gamescom vids; its already along the same slow trek focused on intelligent and thought provoking combat, where one actually uses all your job/class skills and must think about how its going to effect how the battle progresses.
Once again it appears to not be a maddening-zerg-fest that doesn't matter what you press, and you have time to type entire sentences out if need be during combat and other events. Screaming and cursing in vent that your group member{s} are bounding like jack-rabbits the wrong direction and not working together is not required...heh
I have seen it happen multiple times to very good people and very good players. A group of uppity-ups get onto a voice server and are chatting away. So another players comes on and gives a very tongue-in-cheek: "Boy it is kinda dead in here today" (which to him it makes sense because everyone is chatting on the voice server). One of the more bitchy people starts typing "well we are all on vent, why aren't you?"... "I play on a PS2, I don't have vent" ... "Well then your loss" ... then more silence. Then things get planned on vent and not in the chat, people who don't have the chat start missing out on things and are treated poorly by the people who are using the voice chat. Good people get hurt and leave. Again not saying that this is the norm, but I have seen this broken record play out a few times.
Considering I also saw this more and more towards the later years of the game. I am seeing the uphill trend in that aspect and it really isn't cool to demand people use a tool from outside the game. I don't trust the MMO community to take the voice server idea and push it the wrong way.
I know what ya mean Icon, like my LS has a vent server, but its not an always must use as I do prefer to type in the game too. However when it comes to new players and/or trying to explain how some things work I greatly prefer that player log into vent so I can explain things better and not have to type out so much.
The use of voice chat in raid situations is paramount, it could mean all the difference in sucess or failure. If a person is serious about being a good player they atleast have to be able to listen. It is also up to the leaders to make sure to have a mature guild on voice chat. It also does divide the guild if some dont get on vent, there is also a lack of communication, because no one wastse time to type instructions. IMO if a player doesnt want to be on vent to atleast listen to what the raid is about they dont deserve to be in the high end guild. Again it is up to the leaders of the guild to keep vent under control so its enjoyable for everyone and a productive experience.
Shhhhttt don't talk! You make no sense sir...
I'm gonna give you a taste or reality. Alot of people in this world are deaf, one of them being my real life friend who is BORN almost totally deaf. He wear hearing aids and is used to read people's lips to understand what is being said to him. Even with his hearing aids, he can't understand people through voice chats... and there's many more people living like this than you think...
He love to play MMORPGs just like the rest of you all. He's not retarded... he enjoys games and laugh and oh wait... he also love to raid in MMORPGs with ME but the poor guy is DEAF and it make me mad when people like yourself say that he don't deserve to raid in a high end raiding guild because he don't / can't use voice chats.
You deserve a BIG spank on your uneducated arse for being ignorant like that!
Think before you speak, and show some compassion toward disabled people!
Oh and... you know that you CAN RAID and be successful without voice chat right? I've done in it the past in EQ1 and other MMORPGs and some guilds still raid without voice chat.
Also... I'd rather have a fun experience being unsucessful than a not fun productive experience under pressure in a high end raiding guild with people yelling at each for no other reasons than killing a named made of pixels...
Anyways...
First I will be editing this post (maybe later) to comment on posts that follow this post, I just need to quote this one because it a load of garbage.
Now I am fully aware of handicaps and I do feel sorry for the people who were dealt with a crappy hand in life, or just drew a bad card. No one wants to go through life having a major handicap. I can not help that your friend is deaf. I cant help the fact that voice is by far the best and communication that you can get in a game especially when your trying to cordinate a large group of people. Until they come up with a mind reading device voice will always be superior to text.
Yes you can raid just fine with text only, but voice chat make it much better. We all play games for different reasons I like the productive raiding experience. When sitting camping a king HNM in ffxi, I am not there for my health i dont want to get claim and wipe because some person woke up nidhoog when were were sleeping the darn thing, or someone accidently claimed a darter and had to sleep em all. Voice chat is just supeior, it makes sure everyone is on the same page.
Edit @ khrymson- FFXI had some of the slowest combat of mmo's. FFXIV wont be turned based. There will be chaos in ffxiv, there will be times where theres no time to type. I promise. All the videos we seen were low levels anyways higher levels well have more stuff to do in combat. As for ffxi there was times like dynamis or my example above with nidhoog+darters (this was an easy fix) where theres was no time to type and get everyone on the same page. Sure after the same problem occurs multiple times it becomes easy, but the first time our LS hit a darter we were scrambling to get it under control, and if we were not on vent we would have wiped. Where theres multiple enimies around the speed of combat is negated and a moot point, because you still have to cordinate people to get on the right thing and not wake up stuff that been slept. Keeping everyone on the same page is important. Icon is probably the guy who was running around waking crap up causing the sleepers to get owned thus causing a wipe, because he "knew his role" and knows best. When choas breaks out everyone has to be on the same page, and the same page may not be your normal role. More times than not the people who screw up a raid are the ones not on vent. Theres countless examples of this in FFXI.
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Favorite MMO: FFXI
It seems the only people who are against this are the FFXI Fanboys. Get over it, hell I was in a LS called XBOX KNIGHTS very recently, guess what, they had a party chat on All the time. So like I said, the option of having a VChat function built into the game would be very nice to have, ofcourse there is going to be times where you have seen things happen and you didn't like it, it is bound to happen, I have never had this problem when I was leader of things though. It is all up to the leader, I was very successful in events and I used VChat and typed everything out to people who didn't, I had macros for the GTFO moments and I also with 1 click of a button could shout it out. Yet again, I am saying it would be nice to have the feature built into the game, there is no if and or but. If you don't want to use voice chat or hear peoples voices coming over your TV while you are in a party or guild type thing then turn it off. If you are in a good and reliable (not a lazy ass bitch of a guild) they will type and chat, and that is the way of things lol.
Edit @ khrymson- FFXI had some of the slowest combat of mmo's. FFXIV wont be turned based. There will be chaos in ffxiv, there will be times where theres no time to type. I promise. All the videos we seen were low levels anyways higher levels well have more stuff to do in combat. As for ffxi there was times like dynamis or my example above with nidhoog+darters (this was an easy fix) where theres was no time to type and get everyone on the same page. Sure after the same problem occurs multiple times it becomes easy, but the first time our LS hit a darter we were scrambling to get it under control, and if we were not on vent we would have wiped. Where theres multiple enimies around the speed of combat is negated and a moot point, because you still have to cordinate people to get on the right thing and not wake up stuff that been slept. Keeping everyone on the same page is important. Icon is probably the guy who was running around waking crap up causing the sleepers to get owned thus causing a wipe, because he "knew his role" and knows best. When choas breaks out everyone has to be on the same page, and the same page may not be your normal role. More times than not the people who screw up a raid are the ones not on vent. Theres countless examples of this in FFXI.
Not saying you're wrong, just curious as to how you can promise such a thing.