Fine, I give up. Time to see what this Darkfall fuss is all about.

SalemPhoenix

After much debate with myself, along with scouring the forums and so on. I've finally caved and given in, the download is running as we speak.

I'll be on the EU server so if anyone has tips or advice, they'd be much appreciated. In the meantime, Don't gank the noob! ;-)

ProfRed

This is old, and from beta, but most of it still applies:

 

darkfallleaks.blogspot.com/2009/01/darkfall-starter-guide_13.html

 

Give it time and don't feel discouraged if you get killed.  Bank often and before long you will be doing great.

Agricola1

Originally posted by SalemPhoenix


After much debate with myself, along with scouring the forums and so on. I've finally caved and given in, the download is running as we speak.
I'll be on the EU server so if anyone has tips or advice, they'd be much appreciated. In the meantime, Don't gank the noob! ;-)

 

Since you're on EU-1 send me a PM or just click on the MAG website in my sig and go to the forums, register and apply in the Darkfall recruitment forums if you want to join a clan and get some help.

You'll need to download Ventrilo, we'll give you alot of help and guidance and get you into PVP quick. If you want to try us out it'd help if you rolled a Mahirim or ork since we have holdings in both Orklands and Mahirim lands.

 

Kill you later

Comnitus

Originally posted by SalemPhoenix


After much debate with myself, along with scouring the forums and so on. I've finally caved and given in, the download is running as we speak.
I'll be on the EU server so if anyone has tips or advice, they'd be much appreciated. In the meantime, Don't gank the noob! ;-)

That's like asking the lion not to kill the gazelle.

SalemPhoenix

I'll definitely consider it. I just want to run around, die a few times, get to grips with it a bit before I start thinking about that. Though it seems I may be waiting a while longer, the patcher doesnt want to exceed 10kbs ;-)

SysFail

Check out these vids by Val Roth, good info for new players. Theres also a guild for new players "New" that will help you along in your first month.

 

SalemPhoenix

Decided to use fileplanet to download the client so things are a little faster now.

 

Thank you all for the tips so far! If it werent for so many 'My first day in Darkfall' threads, i'd write one up as I begin my journey. Ya know what, I will anyway.

 

Peace out.

Jeezesuz

Darkfall, will blow your mind...in a good way.

xFanaticx

It is easy to really enjoy DF a ton until about 2 weeks in.  Then you will go uh meh and quit.

Dredds

Originally posted by SalemPhoenix


After much debate with myself, along with scouring the forums and so on. I've finally caved and given in, the download is running as we speak.
I'll be on the EU server so if anyone has tips or advice, they'd be much appreciated. In the meantime, Don't gank the noob! ;-)

 

 

Hehe! You're safe from me since I'm NA1

 

Welcome to DFO, Ask questions, bank often, have fun!

Kost

Originally posted by xFanaticx


It is easy to really enjoy DF a ton until about 2 weeks in.  Then you will go uh meh and quit.

 

Not true at all, you are speaking from personal experience, which is in no way indicative of the experiences many others have had with the game.

The only people I've ever seen who have shared your opinion, have ALL been instant gratification seeking types that are unable to face the fact that in order to become more than a non-factor in DF requires a large amount of effort and time invested.

You, just like many others from your generation, simply didn't have the dedication required to make anything of yourself ingame. When you realized the amount of effort that it would take for your character to be a factor, you quit.

DF is not for WoW Kiddies. Nuff said.

xFanaticx

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by xFanaticx


It is easy to really enjoy DF a ton until about 2 weeks in.  Then you will go uh meh and quit.

 

Not true at all, you are speaking from personal experience, which is in no way indicative of the experiences many others have had with the game.

The only people I've ever seen who have shared your opinion, have ALL been instant gratification seeking types that are unable to face the fact that in order to become more than a non-factor in DF requires a large amount of effort and time invested.

You, just like many others from your generation, simply didn't have the dedication required to make anything of yourself ingame. When you realized the amount of effort that it would take for your character to be a factor, you quit.

DF is not for WoW Kiddies. Nuff said.

 

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While you posted this as an insult in some ways you are correct and I agree.  To be more than a non-factor, as you say, yes you will need to grind on pve mobs that are few and far between, while getting ganked etc.  You could join a clan and have easier access to some spawns etc, but the bottom line is you will be grinding excessively, and yes that can be fun, if you have the massive amounts of time to gather, harvest, travel, buy/sell, craft, etc and do all it takes to get prepped to do it.  Lot of players with excessive amounts of time enjoy DF, and if I was 15 years younger I might too.  However, if you actually have a life and cannot play at least 4-5 hours everyday and oftentimes longer, you will remain a non-factor. 

 

So I restate my point, for most players, DF will remain a niche game that is devoted to a small crowd that can devote massive amounts of time to avoid being a non-factor. 

 

Do not misunderstand me as a complainer who got ganked etc.  I was a hardcore UO player and I think DF is one of the best games developed in recent years for its style of play.  If you want a hardcore, niche, seige based, open pvp game, that requires absurd amounts of time and with a top heavy uber player base that will destroy you over and over, then yes, DF is awesome.  I thoroughly enjoyed many aspects of DF and so will you, for about 2 weeks. 

 

 

 

 

Kost

Originally posted by Comnitus


Hey OP, have fun playing with elitist asshats like this one.

Aren't you clever?

Personal attack and nothing else to add to the discussion at hand eh? The very definition of trolling. Nothing I said was elitist in any way, shape or form.

I'm sorry that reality seems to be so difficult for you to face head on, however, nothing I said was inaccurate by any means. Nor did I belittle the other user, I simply expressed the reality of the situation in question.

Your inability to face that fact, is simply not my problem.

 

 

Kost

Originally posted by xFanaticx




While you posted this as an insult in some ways you are correct and I agree. 

 

Not a single word I posted was meant to come off as insulting, my apologies if you took it that way, it was not my intent at all.

Regardless of that, I stand by my initial response.

xFanaticx

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by Comnitus


Hey OP, have fun playing with elitist asshats like this one.

Aren't you clever?

Personal attack and nothing else to add to the discussion at hand eh? The very definition of trolling. Nothing I said was elitist in any way, shape or form.

I'm sorry that reality is seems to be so difficult for you to face head on, however, nothing I said was inaccurate by any means. Nor did I belittle the other user, I simply expressed the reality of the situation in question.

Your inability to face that fact, is simply not my problem.

 

 

 

Most people consider the part where you said this:

 

"You, just like many others from your generation, simply didn't have the dedication required to make anything of yourself ingame. When you realized the amount of effort that it would take for your character to be a factor, you quit."

 

to be a fair attempt to belittle.  That being said it made me laugh because it was such a predictable response.  You say "my generation" rofl, I am probably at least 10 years older than you or from the same generation you are, yet you are spouting off this nonsense.  lol.

 

You like your game, well awesome, you are one of the niche, but do not assume to tell me I amount to nothing because I find the time invested versus reward equation to be lacking in DF, for me personally.

Kruul

Do yourself a favor and join a clan after you get your bearings. Can warfare is what separates this game from the pretenders. 

Don't listen to these guys that flame the DFO boards because they stayed in the NPC towns killing goblins and chopping wood for 2 weeks.

Join a clan and make a difference.

Kshahdoo

Why would anybody play MMORPG with out grinding? If you wanna games with out grinding play online shooters. One of the main reasons people play MMORPGs is to grind good statistics/gear and own. Sure enough you need skill as well, but not everybody thinks of it...

SalemPhoenix

Originally posted by Kruul


Do yourself a favor and join a clan after you get your bearings. Can warfare is what separates this game from the pretenders. 
Don't listen to these guys that flame the DFO boards because they stayed in the NPC towns killing goblins and chopping wood for 2 weeks.
Join a clan and make a difference.

 

My intention was to do just this! I think getting my bearings could be an interesting feat on its own. Time will tell!

xFanaticx

Originally posted by Kshahdoo


Why would anybody play MMORPG with out grinding? If you wanna games with out grinding play online shooters. One of the main reasons people play MMORPGs is to grind good statistics/gear and own. Sure enough you need skill as well, but not everybody thinks of it...

 

Thanks for that amazing insight, it is so well, lame.  I have been playing MMO games since the genre was invented, I know a thing or two about grinding.  I never said grinding was a bad thing, I just said it was there is massive quantities.  In a game like DF, that is based on seige warfare, maintaining an element that is grindy simply serves to perpetuate the imbalanced equation that is darkfall:

 

older players need newer players to feed on so they can get easy mats and alignment shifts. 

 

Having this type of grind in the game is there to perpetuate that system, if you stick it out for a year then you get to move up the ladder in it.  That's the cold facts.  If the point of the game truly was siege battles on an epic scale the entire game would be built to get you there faster and contributing more, but it is not and it doesnt. 

 

I do not mind a grind that exists to maintain the integrity of a good game and has a purpose and is fun, for me DF failed at this and I stopped enjoying it.

xFanaticx

Originally posted by SalemPhoenix

Originally posted by Kruul


Do yourself a favor and join a clan after you get your bearings. Can warfare is what separates this game from the pretenders. 
Don't listen to these guys that flame the DFO boards because they stayed in the NPC towns killing goblins and chopping wood for 2 weeks.
Join a clan and make a difference.

 

My intention was to do just this! I think getting my bearings could be an interesting feat on its own. Time will tell!

 

Salem, I am sorry to add these negatives to your thread, I hope you really enjoy DF and play for a long time to come.  The DF environment is the best of any MMO on the market today and the world itself is wonderful.  If you get some basic skills and then join a good clan you may really enjoy it, if you have the play time.  I am just tired of seeing false reports that don't explain to new players that they will require a massive amount of time to play after the first couple weeks.

Kost

Originally posted by xFanaticx


 
Most people consider the part where you said this:
"You, just like many others from your generation, simply didn't have the dedication required to make anything of yourself ingame. When you realized the amount of effort that it would take for your character to be a factor, you quit."
If it were inaccurate, I would happily recant my opinion on the matter. However it IS accurate, so I won't be taking it back anytime soon.
Was I wrong? No, I wasn't. I hit the proverbial nail on the head as far as why you quit is concerned. Which was entirely my point to begin with.
Once again, how you chose to interpret my words, is ultimately upto you. Whether or not you understood the context in which they were meant is another story entirely, it would appear.
That being said it made me laugh because it was such a predictable response.  You say "my generation" rofl, I am probably at least 10 years older than you or from the same generation you are, yet you are spouting off this nonsense.  lol.
Once again, not a single word of what I said was nonsense. The only nonsense being spewed here is coming straight from you, much of which is blatant misinformation and slanderous psychobabble with the sole intention of keeping people away from the game. All because you didn't fair well.
You like your game, well awesome, you are one of the niche, but do not assume to tell me I amount to nothing because I find the time invested versus reward equation to be lacking in DF, for me personally.
You invested a grand total of two weeks into the game and you expect to be taken seriously. Not only that, but you somehow figure you have a solid grasp on the time invested vs reward equation.
Experiences differ from person to person, depending on how much effort you are willing to put forth. You are unwilling to make much more than the most minor effort, as is readily apparent by your own admission above, yet you consider yourself enlightened enough to steer others away from the game. Laughable.
More than 75% of my clansmen are family men with full time jobs and loved ones to care for at home, myself included. Your response was more predictable than mine in that regard, as I don't know a single person who sacrifices quality time with there family so that they can get ahead in a video game, and all of us that do play are quite satisfied with our characters at this point.
This difference? We invested half a year, you invested two weeks. Period.

 

SalemPhoenix

Originally posted by xFanaticx

Originally posted by SalemPhoenix

Originally posted by Kruul


Do yourself a favor and join a clan after you get your bearings. Can warfare is what separates this game from the pretenders. 
Don't listen to these guys that flame the DFO boards because they stayed in the NPC towns killing goblins and chopping wood for 2 weeks.
Join a clan and make a difference.

 

My intention was to do just this! I think getting my bearings could be an interesting feat on its own. Time will tell!

 

Salem, I am sorry to add these negatives to your thread, I hope you really enjoy DF and play for a long time to come.  The DF environment is the best of any MMO on the market today and the world itself is wonderful.  If you get some basic skills and then join a good clan you may really enjoy it, if you have the play time.  I am just tired of seeing false reports that don't explain to new players that they will require a massive amount of time to play after the first couple weeks.

 

No apology necessary. Views from all aspects are what adds diversity to the gaming world. I admit to being pampered with theme park games since leaving UO quite some time ago. But these are not all bad. Ive done my share of grinding just as much as I have had my share of little in the way of said grind.

In any case, I'll try and explore every aspect of Darkfall and I plan on submitting a thorough and honest review of my experience.

 

Kost

Originally posted by xFanaticx


I am just tired of seeing false reports that don't explain to new players that they will require a massive amount of time to play after the first couple weeks.

If they were false, you might have a point.

However, you really have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

xFanaticx

Originally posted by Kost

Originally posted by xFanaticx


 
Most people consider the part where you said this:
"You, just like many others from your generation, simply didn't have the dedication required to make anything of yourself ingame. When you realized the amount of effort that it would take for your character to be a factor, you quit."
If it were inaccurate, I would happily recant my opinion on the matter. However it IS accurate, so I won't be taking it back anytime soon.
Was I wrong? No, I wasn't. I hit the proverbial nail on the head as far as why you quit is concerned. Which was entirely my point to begin with.
Once again, how you chose to interpret my words, is ultimately upto you. Whether or not you understood the context in which they were meant is another story entirely, it would appear.
That being said it made me laugh because it was such a predictable response.  You say "my generation" rofl, I am probably at least 10 years older than you or from the same generation you are, yet you are spouting off this nonsense.  lol.
Once again, not a single word of what I said was nonsense. The only nonsense being spewed here is coming straight from you, much of which is blatant misinformation and slanderous psychobabble with the sole intention of keeping people away from the game. All because you didn't fair well.
You like your game, well awesome, you are one of the niche, but do not assume to tell me I amount to nothing because I find the time invested versus reward equation to be lacking in DF, for me personally.
You invested a grand total of two weeks into the game and you expect to be taken seriously. Not only that, but you someone figure you have a solid grasp on the time invested vs reward equation.
Experiences differ from person to person, depending on how much effort you are willing to put forth. You are unwilling to make much more than the most minor effort, as is readily apparent by your own admission above, yet you someone consider yourself enlightened enough to steer others away from the game. Laughable.
More than 75% of my clansmen are family men with full time jobs and loved ones to care for at home, myself included. Your response was more predictable than mine in that regard, as I don't know a single person who sacrifices quality time with there family so that they can get ahead in a video game, and all of us that do play are quite satisfied with our characters at this point.
This difference? We invested half a year, you invested two weeks. Period.

 

 

Thanks for your posts, I can see now we are going to get nowhere with this discussion.  I really have no clue where you get or how you justify any of your assumptions, and I don't believe you can be swayed from your irrational fanboy driven position. 

Good luck in DF Salem, I hope you prove me wrong and enjoy the hell out of it, in fact, I dare you to.  Come back in 3 weeks and let me know how it's going please. 

I am done wit this thread now.

Kshahdoo

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Originally posted by xFanaticx
Originally posted by Kshahdoo Why would anybody play MMORPG with out grinding? If you wanna games with out grinding play online shooters. One of the main reasons people play MMORPGs is to grind good statistics/gear and own. Sure enough you need skill as well, but not everybody thinks of it...

 
Thanks for that amazing insight, it is so well, lame.  I have been playing MMO games since the genre was invented, I know a thing or two about grinding.  I never said grinding was a bad thing, I just said it was there is massive quantities.  In a game like DF, that is based on seige warfare, maintaining an element that is grindy simply serves to perpetuate the imbalanced equation that is darkfall:
 
older players need newer players to feed on so they can get easy mats and alignment shifts. 
 
Having this type of grind in the game is there to perpetuate that system, if you stick it out for a year then you get to move up the ladder in it.  That's the cold facts.  If the point of the game truly was siege battles on an epic scale the entire game would be built to get you there faster and contributing more, but it is not and it doesnt. 
 
I do not mind a grind that exists to maintain the integrity of a good game and has a purpose and is fun, for me DF failed at this and I stopped enjoying it.

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Perhaps it's too late here and my english sucks a bit, but I don't understand why should grinding in DF be different than say in WoW? Grinding in WoW is much worse than in DF btw...

Kost

Originally posted by SalemPhoenix



No apology necessary. Views from all aspects are what adds diversity to the gaming world. I admit to being pampered with theme park games since leaving UO quite some time ago. But these are not all bad. Ive done my share of grinding just as much as I have had my share of little in the way of said grind.
In any case, I'll try and explore every aspect of Darkfall and I plan on submitting a thorough and honest review of my experience.
 

 

I suspect you will enjoy the game very much, as you seem to have an open mind and the drive to succeed. Both of those seem to be the main barrier preventing certain types of individuals from enjoying the game, so you are two steps ahead already where many are two steps behind right out of the gate.

Looking forward to reading your write up.