...But wishing a company to go bankrupt? Don't you think that's being a little harsh...
I laughed at the OP until I read this, and I have to admit, I agree with him here. Everyone knows that competition leads to good games. Even if the contender is a crappy one, like Cryptic, you never know what they'll do in the future. Whose to say they don't learn from CO and STO and make the next great MMO, right? Sure, it's unlikely, but (despite how often we think so) we can't predict the future.
But now I'm laughing again because I read, "Can't we all just get along???"
Edit: Oh, yeah. And those people who do like STO deserve a MMO home, too. That's the other reason.
Originally posted by Yamota I disagree. It is not true to the IP and barely what I would call an MMORPG. However it is a fun game, if you like space battles and phew phew laser fights (which I do). The first session I played during open beta was eight hours. I really enjoyed the space combat at first. It got old, though, with the limitations in information displays and control, the pseudo-3D, the God-awful repetition, and the balance issues. I have played better space combat games almost 20 years ago on my Amiga (Rules of Engagement - amazing game), and about 10 years ago (Homeworld). To its credit, it does feel a lot like Trek - but the rest of the game doesn't. Being not true to the IP is not, or should not, be the only criteria to judge a game altough I do find it strange to base a game on an IP and then ignore most of the IP.
Well, I think it is a deal-breaker to use a huge IP and miss it by this much.
If they had just created their own IP for the game, a LOT of the criticism would have been avoided.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
ok, lets try it this way. I hope this is the only Star Trek IP mmorpg EVER produced, so all those who cant wait for cryptic to go pop can have my middle finger, call it the virtue of selfishness. Swings both ways, no? The point about CCP was just as poignant, how gleeful to see a game others enjoy shut down....not.
If this is the only Star Trek MMO you ever want to see produced, then you are also screwing over all those who had higher hopes for this game. You also must be very naive to think this is the best Star Trek MMO that could ever be made when it is far from it.
Originally posted by Xondar123 If this is the only Star Trek MMO you ever want to see produced, then you are also screwing over all those who had higher hopes for this game. You also must be very naive to think this is the best Star Trek MMO that could ever be made when it is far from it.
No question at all.
Even if Cryptic had put the standard 4-5 years into it, it would have been better than this.
If Bioware had made it, it probably would have been quite good, even with their lack of MMO experience.
If Blizzard had made it - well, they don't release bad games.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I agree, the amount of out right hate for this game and/or Cryptic seems over the top, even for the internet, even for mmorpg.com. It's one thing to be critical but so many threads and posts are so dramatic that it seems like just logging into STO gives you aids and cancer and kills your pets just for fun. The game is not terrible, some people are enjoying it, myself included.
I think the level of hate for this game is appropriate for something as wished for and anticipated as a Star Trek MMORPG. People, myself included, have been waiting years for a Star Trek MMO, and people, myself included, had certain expectations for such a game. We hoped that it would be an amazing game that we could spand years playing and exploring instead of just weeks... uhhh... combating...
Why does Star Wars Episode I get more hate than Battlefield Earth? Both are pretty bad movies, and one can even say Battlefield Earth is far worse. Episode I gets all the hate because there were prior expectations going into that movie that went very much unfulfilled.
Originally posted by Xondar123 Why does Star Wars Episode I get more hate than Battlefield Earth? Both are pretty bad movies, and one can even say Battlefield Earth is far worse. Episode I gets all the hate because there were prior expectations going into that movie that went very much unfulfilled.
Even though I liked B:E a lot more than TPM, that is a very good analogy.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
...But wishing a company to go bankrupt? Don't you think that's being a little harsh...
I laughed at the OP until I read this, and I have to admit, I agree with him here. Everyone knows that competition leads to good games. Even if the contender is a crappy one, like Cryptic, you never know what they'll do in the future. Whose to say they don't learn from CO and STO and make the next great MMO, right? Sure, it's unlikely, but (despite how often we think so) we can't predict the future.
But now I'm laughing again because I read, "Can't we all just get along???"
Edit: Oh, yeah. And those people who do like STO deserve a MMO home, too. That's the other reason.
In my view, there is nothing wrong with wishing for a business to be successful or a failure. Our "wishes" really have little to do with it, however, our wallets do, and that's where we ultimately vote. The bankruptcy of underperforming, or malperforming businesses is actually a healthy part of a free market economy. Only in communism or corporate fascism would unhealthy businesses be artificially propped up. That said, I know there are going to be good people who work at these companies, and in the end, while losing a job is always stressful, in the long run, those deserving good new jobs will find them. It's just a part of life.
I do not know Star Trek, beyond a few movies and a few episodes of the original series (the only series of it I can stomach). I know nothing of the overall theme, story or characters.
What I saw in STO was interesting space combat and a few interesting features. The story seemed as though it was the run of the mill MMO fare to me, there's a war and you're trooper #1,000,003 who is there to help in the struggle. I really didn't get the vibe I got from the movies or shows I have seen.There was little of that patent campy feeling old sci-fi was based on.
The problem I am seeing is where the blame for that is being placed. The I.P. holder is more responsible IMO, just as LA is responsible for so many failures in star wars lore based games over the years. Few have captured what the I.P represents. From what I could see the new trek movie was just as much a mock up, as the phantom menace was. Drastically changing the I.P and what it represents to please this new glitz and glamor based generation.
The IP holder knows what that IP represents and how it is meant to be presented, they are not on the inside ensuring an accurate presentation, the failure we see today is a direct result of that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The posters on this site hate on every game. If you were new to these forums you'd think no one would be playing MMO's LOL
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The posters on this site hate on every game. If you were new to these forums you'd think no one would be playing MMO's LOL (DDDDAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH teaches lucy Pinder and Denise milani how to do jumping jacks!)
When I find a game worthy of love, then I will love it.
It won't be unconditional love, however.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
ok, lets try it this way. I hope this is the only Star Trek IP mmorpg EVER produced, so all those who cant wait for cryptic to go pop can have my middle finger, call it the virtue of selfishness. Swings both ways, no? The point about CCP was just as poignant, how gleeful to see a game others enjoy shut down....not.
If this is the only Star Trek MMO you ever want to see produced, then you are also screwing over all those who had higher hopes for this game. You also must be very naive to think this is the best Star Trek MMO that could ever be made when it is far from it.
You missed the point i was making. I'll try and make it even more simple....
Someone was championing the notion that cryptic go bust and STO gets shut down so that the IP be released to another developer. I made the point that it is pathetic to champion that cause as an MMO fan as what about the people who have paid for and enjoy playing it?
To illustrate the pig headedness of a certain poster I turned their point on its head and wrote as quoted.
I DO not hope it's the only ST mmo ever. As unlike some people I do not wish for people to lose jobs, customers lose money and fans lose their chosen entertainment simply because I dislike something.
Hype that is unfulfilled, in the posters opinion, leads to backlash, maybe the publishing companies should try less hype, we support our liked mmo's for years, we understand they have to grow into their full potential, don't promise us the earth and then not deliver.
I tried the beta and lagged the whole time. Looks like me and a lot of unfortunate people are going to have to upgrade our PC's thus forking out money that we don't really have to spend. Or just not play it. That's what I like about WoW. You can still run it on an old P4 with 2GB of memory and make a better investment on a decent GPU. The game kind of felt linear. They should have made questing and travel more open ended. Oh well. Maybe they'll work on it more.
Hype that is unfulfilled, in the posters opinion, leads to backlash, maybe the publishing companies should try less hype, we support our liked mmo's for years, we understand they have to grow into their full potential, don't promise us the earth and then not deliver.
What the OP calls "hate", many people that care enough to post call "informing potential customers without corporate hype".
By the time many folks figure it out, it will be after spending the $50, which is the whole goal of the company spin and viral marketing campaign: sell as many boxes/downloads as you can before word gets out.
Once they pay off the initial development costs, this game will get all the support CO does....
These jokers seem to think that MMOs are the same kind of product as a movie.... who is going to get pissed off with a movie studio after seeing a badly made movie? Not many people. Getting jacked by a company into buying a sub-par game, not the same. At not only because of the price difference.
Sad thing, is that it will probably work out for them.
I agree, the amount of out right hate for this game and/or Cryptic seems over the top, even for the internet, even for mmorpg.com. It's one thing to be critical but so many threads and posts are so dramatic that it seems like just logging into STO gives you aids and cancer and kills your pets just for fun. The game is not terrible, some people are enjoying it, myself included.
I think the level of hate for this game is appropriate for something as wished for and anticipated as a Star Trek MMORPG. People, myself included, have been waiting years for a Star Trek MMO, and people, myself included, had certain expectations for such a game. We hoped that it would be an amazing game that we could spand years playing and exploring instead of just weeks... uhhh... combating...
Why does Star Wars Episode I get more hate than Battlefield Earth? Both are pretty bad movies, and one can even say Battlefield Earth is far worse. Episode I gets all the hate because there were prior expectations going into that movie that went very much unfulfilled.
The Phantom Menace grossed over $400 million domestically and $900 million worldwide. I only hope that STO is hated as such
Hype that is unfulfilled, in the posters opinion, leads to backlash, maybe the publishing companies should try less hype, we support our liked mmo's for years, we understand they have to grow into their full potential, don't promise us the earth and then not deliver.
What the OP calls "hate", many people that care enough to post call "informing potential customers without corporate hype".
By the time many folks figure it out, it will be after spending the $50, which is the whole goal of the company spin and viral marketing campaign: sell as many boxes/downloads as you can before word gets out.
Once they pay off the initial development costs, this game will get all the support CO does....
These jokers seem to think that MMOs are the same kind of product as a movie.... who is going to get pissed off with a movie studio after seeing a badly made movie? Not many people. Getting jacked by a company into buying a sub-par game, not the same. At not only because of the price difference.
Sad thing, is that it will probably work out for them.
You have a point (as it concerns the mmo community). News flash for you the rest of the video game playing world does not use weak excuses like "it's a bad game" to think they are entitled to act as the mmo community often acts.
The rest of the world buys a game and if it isn't fun we don't take the the message boards "making up scence" to explain why this company is such a bad company, if a company makes games you don't like it isn't hard to tell from the first two or three games from there move on. But again we are often forced to hear folks try to add science to there opinions, something to prove they are right where there is no right or wrong.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
What the OP calls "hate", many people that care enough to post call "informing potential customers without corporate hype".
By the time many folks figure it out, it will be after spending the $50, which is the whole goal of the company spin and viral marketing campaign: sell as many boxes/downloads as you can before word gets out.
Once they pay off the initial development costs, this game will get all the support CO does....
These jokers seem to think that MMOs are the same kind of product as a movie.... who is going to get pissed off with a movie studio after seeing a badly made movie? Not many people. Getting jacked by a company into buying a sub-par game, not the same. At not only because of the price difference.
Sad thing, is that it will probably work out for them.
What it is like is any other video game company that puts out a bad game. It happens all the time, always has. How many studios have put out bad games over the years? How many turned around to make a great game? The answer is plain and simple, lots.
If we're talking about the issue of wanting a company shut down because they failed making a game certain players dislike. This is just not going to happen because there are always going to be players who do like it.
Even the best studios put out bad games, it just happens. Is it a scam or did they simply just not deliver? In the single player realm a bad game dies, it gets replaced on shelves and the devs move on to their next endeavor. Hardly does this result in a company closing down or having mass lay offs. In every avenue of entertainment people good at what they do, fail to deliver what is expected. They learn from this and apply it in their next project.
Now in the MMO world things are a tad different, they don't simply die. They have an opportunity to become better. It seems people forget this, and count every game out at launch now. In other words we have gone to judging these games like we would a single player game. We give it one shot, and denounce it when it fails in what ever way we see it has.
There's a line between offering a bad product, and offering a product that has potential and needs work. I don't know if I would say STO as is has that much potential, there simply wasn't much put into it, aside from combat. However, that doesn't mean they can't make it a better game.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Originally posted by Malickie There's a line between offering a bad product, and offering a product that has potential and needs work. I don't know if I would say STO as is has that much potential, there simply wasn't much put into it, aside from combat. However, that doesn't mean they can't make it a better game.
Then they can start charging once it is good.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I don't see so much as hate but more as consctructive cricism, and perhaps some deserved cynicism. I mean what ever happend to that saying, "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me"?
I think posters here are bitter about how CO turned out, and now STO has started so shakedly. People here have paid good money to play these games and have been disappointed.
If a company merrits hate, than it's usually for a good reason(s). In Cryptics case it seems that they are constantly rushing their work, leaving behind two games with subpar, poor quality launches. People have a right to be angry if they purchased a product that did not meet their expectations. And as IPs go, StarTrek is one that most would agree is major IP, and hence the bar and expectations become set long before the game even goes into development.
If that OP calls what I have to say as "hate", I would tend to disagree and say it's my cynicism for having been fooled twice now... so I guess in STO's case (in which I purchased both CO and STO off Steam), I feel ripped off twice now.
Don't take anything I have to say as hate, but just wanted to share my experience, albeit a negative one... This is a warning to others to save their money... or better, wait a few months to see if STO is still around and maybe by then it should be relatively bug free (or close to it one would hope).
I agree with you Noobtech, we should post our opinions about what we would like changed in MMO's and what we would like to see in the future and what we will not put up with, that is what will make this site uselful. But wishing a company to go bankrupt? Don't you think that's being a little harsh. If you don't think that's negative, then maybe I'm missing something. As far as STO, if it appeals to some people, then what is the problem with that? If you like Vanilla and I like chocolate, does that make me wrong? I agree we should continue to request better games, raise the bar, but in a positive constructive way. Stating facts and less opinions. Not being hateful and saying, "I hope they crash and burn." I guess I'm just trying to keep it fun and positive.
Not really. As a rule there is generally one MMORPG per IP at any one time, so the sooner STO fails and Cryptic goes broke the sooner the IP can be given to another company that perhaps will make better use of it.
If the negative posts here can hasten that end in any way then it serves the purpose of the posters who wish to see this come to pass.
Kyleran consistently is dead on. He is one of the few opinions I follow on this site in the many years I have been a member.
Honesty is the most excellent drug.
It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.
Originally posted by Malickie There's a line between offering a bad product, and offering a product that has potential and needs work. I don't know if I would say STO as is has that much potential, there simply wasn't much put into it, aside from combat. However, that doesn't mean they can't make it a better game.
Then they can start charging once it is good.
That, or you can wait until you think it is good to pay.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Seriously, after Champions Online, did anyone REALLY think STO was going to launch without a hitch? Shame on you if you did. Cryptic is not a AAA game developer and thus they are bound to make large mistakes.
I agree with you Noobtech, we should post our opinions about what we would like changed in MMO's and what we would like to see in the future and what we will not put up with, that is what will make this site uselful. But wishing a company to go bankrupt? Don't you think that's being a little harsh. If you don't think that's negative, then maybe I'm missing something. As far as STO, if it appeals to some people, then what is the problem with that? If you like Vanilla and I like chocolate, does that make me wrong? I agree we should continue to request better games, raise the bar, but in a positive constructive way. Stating facts and less opinions. Not being hateful and saying, "I hope they crash and burn." I guess I'm just trying to keep it fun and positive.
Not really. As a rule there is generally one MMORPG per IP at any one time, so the sooner STO fails and Cryptic goes broke the sooner the IP can be given to another company that perhaps will make better use of it.
If the negative posts here can hasten that end in any way then it serves the purpose of the posters who wish to see this come to pass.
Kyleran consistently is dead on. He is one of the few opinions I follow on this site in the many years I have been a member.
Honesty is the most excellent drug.
I would add MMO Doubter to that list as well....sanity and honesty is a brillant combination.
It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.
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I laughed at the OP until I read this, and I have to admit, I agree with him here. Everyone knows that competition leads to good games. Even if the contender is a crappy one, like Cryptic, you never know what they'll do in the future. Whose to say they don't learn from CO and STO and make the next great MMO, right? Sure, it's unlikely, but (despite how often we think so) we can't predict the future.
But now I'm laughing again because I read, "Can't we all just get along???"
Edit: Oh, yeah. And those people who do like STO deserve a MMO home, too. That's the other reason.
Well, I think it is a deal-breaker to use a huge IP and miss it by this much.
If they had just created their own IP for the game, a LOT of the criticism would have been avoided.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
If this is the only Star Trek MMO you ever want to see produced, then you are also screwing over all those who had higher hopes for this game. You also must be very naive to think this is the best Star Trek MMO that could ever be made when it is far from it.
The problem for me is - the mere existence of this game likely keeps any other company from making a Star Trek MMORPG.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
No question at all.
Even if Cryptic had put the standard 4-5 years into it, it would have been better than this.
If Bioware had made it, it probably would have been quite good, even with their lack of MMO experience.
If Blizzard had made it - well, they don't release bad games.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I think the level of hate for this game is appropriate for something as wished for and anticipated as a Star Trek MMORPG. People, myself included, have been waiting years for a Star Trek MMO, and people, myself included, had certain expectations for such a game. We hoped that it would be an amazing game that we could spand years playing and exploring instead of just weeks... uhhh... combating...
Why does Star Wars Episode I get more hate than Battlefield Earth? Both are pretty bad movies, and one can even say Battlefield Earth is far worse. Episode I gets all the hate because there were prior expectations going into that movie that went very much unfulfilled.
Even though I liked B:E a lot more than TPM, that is a very good analogy.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I laughed at the OP until I read this, and I have to admit, I agree with him here. Everyone knows that competition leads to good games. Even if the contender is a crappy one, like Cryptic, you never know what they'll do in the future. Whose to say they don't learn from CO and STO and make the next great MMO, right? Sure, it's unlikely, but (despite how often we think so) we can't predict the future.
But now I'm laughing again because I read, "Can't we all just get along???"
Edit: Oh, yeah. And those people who do like STO deserve a MMO home, too. That's the other reason.
In my view, there is nothing wrong with wishing for a business to be successful or a failure. Our "wishes" really have little to do with it, however, our wallets do, and that's where we ultimately vote. The bankruptcy of underperforming, or malperforming businesses is actually a healthy part of a free market economy. Only in communism or corporate fascism would unhealthy businesses be artificially propped up. That said, I know there are going to be good people who work at these companies, and in the end, while losing a job is always stressful, in the long run, those deserving good new jobs will find them. It's just a part of life.
I do not know Star Trek, beyond a few movies and a few episodes of the original series (the only series of it I can stomach). I know nothing of the overall theme, story or characters.
What I saw in STO was interesting space combat and a few interesting features. The story seemed as though it was the run of the mill MMO fare to me, there's a war and you're trooper #1,000,003 who is there to help in the struggle. I really didn't get the vibe I got from the movies or shows I have seen.There was little of that patent campy feeling old sci-fi was based on.
The problem I am seeing is where the blame for that is being placed. The I.P. holder is more responsible IMO, just as LA is responsible for so many failures in star wars lore based games over the years. Few have captured what the I.P represents. From what I could see the new trek movie was just as much a mock up, as the phantom menace was. Drastically changing the I.P and what it represents to please this new glitz and glamor based generation.
The IP holder knows what that IP represents and how it is meant to be presented, they are not on the inside ensuring an accurate presentation, the failure we see today is a direct result of that.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
The posters on this site hate on every game. If you were new to these forums you'd think no one would be playing MMO's LOL
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All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
Playing: ESO, WOT, Smite, and Marvel Heroes
When I find a game worthy of love, then I will love it.
It won't be unconditional love, however.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
If this is the only Star Trek MMO you ever want to see produced, then you are also screwing over all those who had higher hopes for this game. You also must be very naive to think this is the best Star Trek MMO that could ever be made when it is far from it.
You missed the point i was making. I'll try and make it even more simple....
Someone was championing the notion that cryptic go bust and STO gets shut down so that the IP be released to another developer. I made the point that it is pathetic to champion that cause as an MMO fan as what about the people who have paid for and enjoy playing it?
To illustrate the pig headedness of a certain poster I turned their point on its head and wrote as quoted.
I DO not hope it's the only ST mmo ever. As unlike some people I do not wish for people to lose jobs, customers lose money and fans lose their chosen entertainment simply because I dislike something.
Hype that is unfulfilled, in the posters opinion, leads to backlash, maybe the publishing companies should try less hype, we support our liked mmo's for years, we understand they have to grow into their full potential, don't promise us the earth and then not deliver.
F2P/P2P excellent thread.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/282517/F2P-An-Engineers-perspective.html
I tried the beta and lagged the whole time. Looks like me and a lot of unfortunate people are going to have to upgrade our PC's thus forking out money that we don't really have to spend. Or just not play it. That's what I like about WoW. You can still run it on an old P4 with 2GB of memory and make a better investment on a decent GPU. The game kind of felt linear. They should have made questing and travel more open ended. Oh well. Maybe they'll work on it more.
Getting too old for this $&17!
What the OP calls "hate", many people that care enough to post call "informing potential customers without corporate hype".
By the time many folks figure it out, it will be after spending the $50, which is the whole goal of the company spin and viral marketing campaign: sell as many boxes/downloads as you can before word gets out.
Once they pay off the initial development costs, this game will get all the support CO does....
These jokers seem to think that MMOs are the same kind of product as a movie.... who is going to get pissed off with a movie studio after seeing a badly made movie? Not many people. Getting jacked by a company into buying a sub-par game, not the same. At not only because of the price difference.
Sad thing, is that it will probably work out for them.
I think the level of hate for this game is appropriate for something as wished for and anticipated as a Star Trek MMORPG. People, myself included, have been waiting years for a Star Trek MMO, and people, myself included, had certain expectations for such a game. We hoped that it would be an amazing game that we could spand years playing and exploring instead of just weeks... uhhh... combating...
Why does Star Wars Episode I get more hate than Battlefield Earth? Both are pretty bad movies, and one can even say Battlefield Earth is far worse. Episode I gets all the hate because there were prior expectations going into that movie that went very much unfulfilled.
The Phantom Menace grossed over $400 million domestically and $900 million worldwide. I only hope that STO is hated as such
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Why?
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
What the OP calls "hate", many people that care enough to post call "informing potential customers without corporate hype".
By the time many folks figure it out, it will be after spending the $50, which is the whole goal of the company spin and viral marketing campaign: sell as many boxes/downloads as you can before word gets out.
Once they pay off the initial development costs, this game will get all the support CO does....
These jokers seem to think that MMOs are the same kind of product as a movie.... who is going to get pissed off with a movie studio after seeing a badly made movie? Not many people. Getting jacked by a company into buying a sub-par game, not the same. At not only because of the price difference.
Sad thing, is that it will probably work out for them.
You have a point (as it concerns the mmo community). News flash for you the rest of the video game playing world does not use weak excuses like "it's a bad game" to think they are entitled to act as the mmo community often acts.
The rest of the world buys a game and if it isn't fun we don't take the the message boards "making up scence" to explain why this company is such a bad company, if a company makes games you don't like it isn't hard to tell from the first two or three games from there move on. But again we are often forced to hear folks try to add science to there opinions, something to prove they are right where there is no right or wrong.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
What the OP calls "hate", many people that care enough to post call "informing potential customers without corporate hype".
By the time many folks figure it out, it will be after spending the $50, which is the whole goal of the company spin and viral marketing campaign: sell as many boxes/downloads as you can before word gets out.
Once they pay off the initial development costs, this game will get all the support CO does....
These jokers seem to think that MMOs are the same kind of product as a movie.... who is going to get pissed off with a movie studio after seeing a badly made movie? Not many people. Getting jacked by a company into buying a sub-par game, not the same. At not only because of the price difference.
Sad thing, is that it will probably work out for them.
What it is like is any other video game company that puts out a bad game. It happens all the time, always has. How many studios have put out bad games over the years? How many turned around to make a great game? The answer is plain and simple, lots.
If we're talking about the issue of wanting a company shut down because they failed making a game certain players dislike. This is just not going to happen because there are always going to be players who do like it.
Even the best studios put out bad games, it just happens. Is it a scam or did they simply just not deliver? In the single player realm a bad game dies, it gets replaced on shelves and the devs move on to their next endeavor. Hardly does this result in a company closing down or having mass lay offs. In every avenue of entertainment people good at what they do, fail to deliver what is expected. They learn from this and apply it in their next project.
Now in the MMO world things are a tad different, they don't simply die. They have an opportunity to become better. It seems people forget this, and count every game out at launch now. In other words we have gone to judging these games like we would a single player game. We give it one shot, and denounce it when it fails in what ever way we see it has.
There's a line between offering a bad product, and offering a product that has potential and needs work. I don't know if I would say STO as is has that much potential, there simply wasn't much put into it, aside from combat. However, that doesn't mean they can't make it a better game.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Then they can start charging once it is good.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I don't see so much as hate but more as consctructive cricism, and perhaps some deserved cynicism. I mean what ever happend to that saying, "Fool me once shame on you, fool me twice shame on me"?
I think posters here are bitter about how CO turned out, and now STO has started so shakedly. People here have paid good money to play these games and have been disappointed.
If a company merrits hate, than it's usually for a good reason(s). In Cryptics case it seems that they are constantly rushing their work, leaving behind two games with subpar, poor quality launches. People have a right to be angry if they purchased a product that did not meet their expectations. And as IPs go, StarTrek is one that most would agree is major IP, and hence the bar and expectations become set long before the game even goes into development.
If that OP calls what I have to say as "hate", I would tend to disagree and say it's my cynicism for having been fooled twice now... so I guess in STO's case (in which I purchased both CO and STO off Steam), I feel ripped off twice now.
Don't take anything I have to say as hate, but just wanted to share my experience, albeit a negative one... This is a warning to others to save their money... or better, wait a few months to see if STO is still around and maybe by then it should be relatively bug free (or close to it one would hope).
Not really. As a rule there is generally one MMORPG per IP at any one time, so the sooner STO fails and Cryptic goes broke the sooner the IP can be given to another company that perhaps will make better use of it.
If the negative posts here can hasten that end in any way then it serves the purpose of the posters who wish to see this come to pass.
Kyleran consistently is dead on. He is one of the few opinions I follow on this site in the many years I have been a member.
Honesty is the most excellent drug.
It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.
Then they can start charging once it is good.
That, or you can wait until you think it is good to pay.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Seriously, after Champions Online, did anyone REALLY think STO was going to launch without a hitch? Shame on you if you did. Cryptic is not a AAA game developer and thus they are bound to make large mistakes.
Not really. As a rule there is generally one MMORPG per IP at any one time, so the sooner STO fails and Cryptic goes broke the sooner the IP can be given to another company that perhaps will make better use of it.
If the negative posts here can hasten that end in any way then it serves the purpose of the posters who wish to see this come to pass.
Kyleran consistently is dead on. He is one of the few opinions I follow on this site in the many years I have been a member.
Honesty is the most excellent drug.
I would add MMO Doubter to that list as well....sanity and honesty is a brillant combination.
It's better to lurk in forums and be thought a fool...than to endlessly "Quote" and remove all doubts.