It's not just because most people will buy any new game anyway, though that's a big part of it, there's just *that* many trekkies. Seriously, there's a lot of them, and they will buy the game simply to shelve it in their "collection". Kudos to Cryptic though, and hopefully this brief moment of victory provides room to pull the heads out of their asses.
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The saddest part is they could shut the doors tomorow and still walk away with a nice fat wallet... They wont because of life time subs but just saying they could.
played M59,UO,lineage,EQ,Daoc,Entropia,SWG,Horizons,Lineage2.EQ2,Vangaurd,Irth online, DarkFall,Star Trek and many others that did not make the cut or i just plain forgetting about.
Honestly, I wish Cryptic would fall flat on their faces with their next MMO. Then I laugh, because that sounds like a bitter troll wanting a company to die just because he doesn't like them and let's be honest...their next MMO will sell too. Let's just hope they don't dirty another good IP with their "work".
Honestly, I wish Cryptic would fall flat on their faces with their next MMO. Then I laugh, because that sounds like a bitter troll wanting a company to die just because he doesn't like them and let's be honest...their next MMO will sell too. Let's just hope they don't dirty another good IP with their "work".
C'mon, you know there is a 95% (that being the "cool" stat to use of late) chance that Cryptic will pick up the Stargate IP now...
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Honestly, I wish Cryptic would fall flat on their faces with their next MMO. Then I laugh, because that sounds like a bitter troll wanting a company to die just because he doesn't like them and let's be honest...their next MMO will sell too. Let's just hope they don't dirty another good IP with their "work".
C'mon, you know there is a 95% (that being the "cool" stat to use of late) chance that Cryptic will pick up the Stargate IP now...
Is this really the new Business model for major MMO releases. Shove crap out the door and make your money off over hyped box sales.
If this really the way these companies wish to do business. As a smart consumer we really should let them drown themselves a few times so they stop rushing out crap. Games on this scale do not really deal with smart consumers though (its just a basic numbers thing). So unless the public gets really badly burned the next go around we will probably continue to see this in the future.
Just a suggestion, before making posts guys make sure you have the info that you are posting about correct most of what you say here is pattently untrue and aren't even claims I've heard made AOC is the only game I recall bragging about selling a million boxes and even them I thought the bragging stopped at 700k the first month as stated by others AION and WAR were about 800k and STO simply had 1 million account registrations not boxes sold and they never bragged about selling a million boxes. It's just not a good look to jump on a soap box railing against facts that you aren't even getting right.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
As already stated, its 1million registered accounts on their website, not 1million players or box sales. The way theyve spun it seems to have already convinced lots of people that its 1 million total players.
Highly Anticipated MMO for PC Releases with Over 1 Million Cryptic Accounts Created
New York, NY (February 2, 2010) – Atari, SA, one of the world’s most recognized videogame publishers, and acclaimed developer Cryptic Studios™, are proud to announce that the bold new PC MMO, Star Trek Online, is available today in North America and throughout the week in worldwide territories. Already, over 1 million Star Trek fans have created accounts at the official websites
No I don't think we should be blaming Cryptic for people so eager to troll that they post false info, Cryptic has dumped a really boring game into our laps and I as such don't think they should have to waste time defending themselves from false accusations like this one. Either the op misunderstood or he is so eager to troll he just ran with it but the fact remains most of the responders on here are kind of fooling themselves by siding with info that is mostly incorrect.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Trust me, they did not sell 1million copies of the game.
Ive been to Best Buy, Walmart, Target, all since launch and everytime I go, there is multiple fully stocked rows of the game.
In fact at Best Buy, theres always the same employee I talk to about Elder Scrolls in the PC games section. He told me there was only two games he hasnt had to restock in the past two weeks, STO and Some Orge Bowl or Orc Bowl game.
Trust me, they did not sell 1million copies of the game.
Ive been to Best Buy, Walmart, Target, all since launch and everytime I go, there is multiple fully stocked rows of the game.
In fact at Best Buy, theres always the same employee I talk to about Elder Scrolls in the PC games section. He told me there was only two games he hasnt had to restock in the past two weeks, STO and Some Orge Bowl or Orc Bowl game.
I think my local best buy sold one copy out of their display since feb.
Trust me, they did not sell 1million copies of the game.
Ive been to Best Buy, Walmart, Target, all since launch and everytime I go, there is multiple fully stocked rows of the game.
In fact at Best Buy, theres always the same employee I talk to about Elder Scrolls in the PC games section. He told me there was only two games he hasnt had to restock in the past two weeks, STO and Some Orge Bowl or Orc Bowl game.
Sadly the game sold out in quite a few places in the UK, so if it did sell that many copies its largely our fault.
Once again, STO has NOT sold one million units, it was one million accounts created, and anyone with an internet connection and email address can create an account without spending a penny. Atari had to admit the one million accounts wasn't even just STO accounts, but that total included CO back in Feb.
Trust me, they did not sell 1million copies of the game.
Ive been to Best Buy, Walmart, Target, all since launch and everytime I go, there is multiple fully stocked rows of the game.
In fact at Best Buy, theres always the same employee I talk to about Elder Scrolls in the PC games section. He told me there was only two games he hasnt had to restock in the past two weeks, STO and Some Orge Bowl or Orc Bowl game.
Do not make the assumtpion your area repesents more than your area. I have been in the same local stores and all have sold out and had to restock a few times. I have also been in a few stores in the St. Louis area and when I aksed again found they had sold out at least the first run.
Someone here mentioned the number of forum users for Star Trek, I am curious where you show the number of registered accounts? If you are judging based on posts then you should be aware that about 75% of most gam,es players do NOT use the forums at all.
I am not sure about the actual sales numbers but what I do know is that every few days I find something they changed in a quick patch that has made the game better. Just did the stop the Gorn fleet battle and it was a wild ride. We had about 15 federation pilots involved at various skill levels in our instance. (BTW there where 28 active instances at that time) The battle was intense with all of us walking the ragged edge of losing our ships. Our group did a great job of cover fire and we managed to only suffer three loses of ships for the entire fight.
I also know the fleet I am a part of has a nice growth rate going with us brining in about 3 to 5 pilots per week. We have lost pilots but we gain more than we lose. Again this is normal turn over for an MMO.
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I just wanted to pipe in too and say .. I just checked out Xfire today and compared LoTRO vs STO.. LoTRO has 30% more players playing, but has 100% more game time.. What does that mean? Easy, it means that each player is playing longer per session then those on STO.. Even Aion, which has 4x more players then STO, has 6x more playing minutes.. It appears that so many of the top 100 mmo's games, have a better (minutes played per player) then STO.. Does that mean anything?
I just wanted to pipe in too and say .. I just checked out Xfire today and compared LoTRO vs STO.. LoTRO has 30% more players playing, but has 100% more game time.. What does that mean? Easy, it means that each player is playing longer per session then those on STO.. Even Aion, which has 4x more players then STO, has 6x more playing minutes.. It appears that so many of the top 100 mmo's games, have a better (minutes played per player) then STO.. Does that mean anything?
I think it does, what it shows is something many people such as myself have pointed out, STO has a more casual play style. Where with other MMOs I feel like I NEED to devote at least 3 hours to them to accomplish anything, with STO I can get by with an hour here, 45 minutes there as my schedule in real life dictates. That does not mean people are not putting in the long sessions, I put in about a 2 hour session yesterday.
Also I am of the opinion that you have to take X-Fires numbers with a grain of salt. They are never close to the real numbers of the game. One other thing to consider as well is the solocentric feel of STO. I mean when I play LOTRO or EVE I spend as much as a hour just sitting around waiting for everyone, I have never seen any of our fleet just sitting in STO.
Do not make the assumtpion your area repesents more than your area. I have been in the same local stores and all have sold out and had to restock a few times. I have also been in a few stores in the St. Louis area and when I aksed again found they had sold out at least the first run.
Someone here mentioned the number of forum users for Star Trek, I am curious where you show the number of registered accounts? If you are judging based on posts then you should be aware that about 75% of most gam,es players do NOT use the forums at all.
I am not sure about the actual sales numbers but what I do know is that every few days I find something they changed in a quick patch that has made the game better. Just did the stop the Gorn fleet battle and it was a wild ride. We had about 15 federation pilots involved at various skill levels in our instance. (BTW there where 28 active instances at that time) The battle was intense with all of us walking the ragged edge of losing our ships. Our group did a great job of cover fire and we managed to only suffer three loses of ships for the entire fight.
I also know the fleet I am a part of has a nice growth rate going with us brining in about 3 to 5 pilots per week. We have lost pilots but we gain more than we lose. Again this is normal turn over for an MMO.
Pick a forum member on the forums and mouseover their name. Not sure about Firefox, but with IE in the bottom left corner you'll see blahblahblah "member.php?u=xxxxxx", where xxxxxx is the account number. Briefly looked at the forum today and couldn't find any April 2010 members, but highest March 2010 member I saw was like 660k-ish, but of course there might be a number a bit higher. You are assigned an account number when the account is created...not posting on the forums doesn't matter when it comes to your account number.
FYI, when I cancelled my account Feb 26th, I had done the Gorn fleet battle a few days before and there were close to 100 instances of it, so I have to LOL at 28 instances. Assume for a second they really sold one million...for Jack to say a few days ago they had over 100k subscribers means RECORD drop in subs. I'm betting they only sold about 400k units, and for 1.5 months later to already have somewhere moderately north of 100k subs for such a huge IP is really pathetic.
In any event, the one million accounts claim was made in Feb, and if you looked at the links in my last post, you'll see Atari admitted the one million number was accounts created and not sales, and further admitted that number combined STO and CO forum accounts, and your forum account=game account. You don't even need to buy anything to create an account.
Do not make the assumtpion your area repesents more than your area. I have been in the same local stores and all have sold out and had to restock a few times. I have also been in a few stores in the St. Louis area and when I aksed again found they had sold out at least the first run.
Someone here mentioned the number of forum users for Star Trek, I am curious where you show the number of registered accounts? If you are judging based on posts then you should be aware that about 75% of most gam,es players do NOT use the forums at all.
I am not sure about the actual sales numbers but what I do know is that every few days I find something they changed in a quick patch that has made the game better. Just did the stop the Gorn fleet battle and it was a wild ride. We had about 15 federation pilots involved at various skill levels in our instance. (BTW there where 28 active instances at that time) The battle was intense with all of us walking the ragged edge of losing our ships. Our group did a great job of cover fire and we managed to only suffer three loses of ships for the entire fight.
I also know the fleet I am a part of has a nice growth rate going with us brining in about 3 to 5 pilots per week. We have lost pilots but we gain more than we lose. Again this is normal turn over for an MMO.
Pick a forum member on the forums and mouseover their name. Not sure about Firefox, but with IE in the bottom left corner you'll see blahblahblah "member.php?u=xxxxxx", where xxxxxx is the account number. Briefly looked at the forum today and couldn't find any April 2010 members, but highest March 2010 member I saw was like 660k-ish, but of course there might be a number a bit higher. You are assigned an account number when the account is created...not posting on the forums doesn't matter when it comes to your account number.
FYI, when I cancelled my account Feb 26th, I had done the Gorn fleet battle a few days before and there were close to 100 instances of it, so I have to LOL at 28 instances. Assume for a second they really sold one million...for Jack to say a few days ago they had over 100k subscribers means RECORD drop in subs. I'm betting they only sold about 400k units, and for 1.5 months later to already have somewhere moderately north of 100k subs for such a huge IP is really pathetic.
In any event, the one million accounts claim was made in Feb, and if you looked at the links in my last post, you'll see Atari admitted the one million number was accounts created and not sales, and further admitted that number combined STO and CO forum accounts, and your forum account=game account. You don't even need to buy anything to create an account.
And many, and I mean many people created several accounts to have more chances for a beta invite.
The general trend is that there are around 500-600K mmorpg "jumpers"
Players that jump from one hyped game to another hyped game sometimes in a matter of months ...
A lot of games have even less jumpers, but most AAA titles fall into this range.
.
The result is that most AAA titles have an initial print run of around 1 M copies, that mostly linger for months and sometimes years in retail. So those 1M aren't retail sales after all.
Everybody happy: the producers can say they sold around 1M to shops, the player fans are happy. The only problem lays with the retail who have excessive stocks for months and then need to sell at a loss to liquidate stock.
The above is the same story for every AAA title shipped since Jan 2007 (Vanguard lotro, TR, AoC, War, Aion, ST)
A nice advice for the hoppers to save money: try the open Beta.
Play it smart and you can play a game at launch for 10 days at 5 euro before cancelling.
Publishers think they can promote games by open Beta. I think it is very much counter productive.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
The general trend is that there are around 500-600K mmorpg "jumpers"
Players that jump from one hyped game to another hyped game sometimes in a matter of months ...
A lot of games have even less jumpers, but most AAA titles fall into this range.
.
The result is that most AAA titles have an initial print run of around 1 M copies, that mostly linger for months and sometimes years in retail. So those 1M aren't retail sales after all.
Everybody happy: the producers can say they sold around 1M to shops, the player fans are happy. The only problem lays with the retail who have excessive stocks for months and then need to sell at a loss to liquidate stock.
The above is the same story for every AAA title shipped since Jan 2007 (Vanguard lotro, TR, AoC, War, Aion, ST)
A nice advice for the hoppers to save money: try the open Beta.
Play it smart and you can play a game at launch for 10 days at 5 euro before cancelling.
Publishers think they can promote games by open Beta. I think it is very much counter productive.
I tend to agree with some of the points made here . There are mmo nomads which came into the genre when Warcraft was released that now find that game to be somewhat lacking and are looking for a new home . Unfortunatly most games have been a let down . Vanguard was pretty terrible on release . Age of Conan although I found it had some redeaming qualitys lacked the factions it needed ( it was a gankfest on pvp servers and a bore on pve ones ) .Tabula Rasa while I played in beta and it did'nt really grab me at all .Warhammer worked well in the scenarios but thats about it . Aion I've avoided . but Lord of the Rings online is a pretty solid game althought not the game I hoped it would be it still holds my attention after 2 years of play . If STO can achieve a decent friendly community around the same level of substhen in my book it will be worth a look .
A dozen people have pointed out that STO has 1 million forum registrations (which includes me!) and not 1 million sales (which does not include me!), and yet people keep posting and posting, ignorant and oblivious.
Because it doesnt matter. Most people in this thread are writing about why major ips sell a lot of boxes purely because of the ip. The exact numbers dont matter for that.
Yeah but that doesn't explain why people still buy the upgraded sports titles every year from EA... face it 80%+ of gamers are morons... or fanboys.
how else do you explain someone actually paying full price for a game such as ODST on the console, which was, at best simply a Halo 3 "expansion". a poor one at that.
we do like buying games, especially the UK, third largest video games market by itself.... huge market here, even if we're simply regarded by most developers as 2nd class citizens.
although, lets have a giggle at the "other" cryptic game -
me, i gave up on STO after 2 weeks at Rear Admiral in my star cruiser... and laughed at the C-Store gimick... luckily i didn't pay for the game but i do always try new games rather than base my opinions on something i never actually played....
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Guild Wars has 6mill Sells. What ya got to say about that!!!!
GW is the top game
Wii Sports has sold over 60 million.
Strong IP in today's market = sales.
It's not just because most people will buy any new game anyway, though that's a big part of it, there's just *that* many trekkies. Seriously, there's a lot of them, and they will buy the game simply to shelve it in their "collection". Kudos to Cryptic though, and hopefully this brief moment of victory provides room to pull the heads out of their asses.
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The saddest part is they could shut the doors tomorow and still walk away with a nice fat wallet... They wont because of life time subs but just saying they could.
played M59,UO,lineage,EQ,Daoc,Entropia,SWG,Horizons,Lineage2.EQ2,Vangaurd,Irth online, DarkFall,Star Trek
and many others that did not make the cut or i just plain forgetting about.
Want to explain that? Why won't they? You don't seriously think they have regard for their customers, do you?
They will keep it running as long as subs+cash shop sales exceeds their costs to run it. That - or sell it.
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Honestly, I wish Cryptic would fall flat on their faces with their next MMO. Then I laugh, because that sounds like a bitter troll wanting a company to die just because he doesn't like them and let's be honest...their next MMO will sell too. Let's just hope they don't dirty another good IP with their "work".
C'mon, you know there is a 95% (that being the "cool" stat to use of late) chance that Cryptic will pick up the Stargate IP now...
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
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Just a suggestion, before making posts guys make sure you have the info that you are posting about correct most of what you say here is pattently untrue and aren't even claims I've heard made AOC is the only game I recall bragging about selling a million boxes and even them I thought the bragging stopped at 700k the first month as stated by others AION and WAR were about 800k and STO simply had 1 million account registrations not boxes sold and they never bragged about selling a million boxes. It's just not a good look to jump on a soap box railing against facts that you aren't even getting right.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
No I don't think we should be blaming Cryptic for people so eager to troll that they post false info, Cryptic has dumped a really boring game into our laps and I as such don't think they should have to waste time defending themselves from false accusations like this one. Either the op misunderstood or he is so eager to troll he just ran with it but the fact remains most of the responders on here are kind of fooling themselves by siding with info that is mostly incorrect.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Trust me, they did not sell 1million copies of the game.
Ive been to Best Buy, Walmart, Target, all since launch and everytime I go, there is multiple fully stocked rows of the game.
In fact at Best Buy, theres always the same employee I talk to about Elder Scrolls in the PC games section. He told me there was only two games he hasnt had to restock in the past two weeks, STO and Some Orge Bowl or Orc Bowl game.
Star Trek wasn't saved. No reason to think Stargate will be.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
I think my local best buy sold one copy out of their display since feb.
Sadly the game sold out in quite a few places in the UK, so if it did sell that many copies its largely our fault.
Your friendly neighbourhood Spider-pope.
Once again, STO has NOT sold one million units, it was one million accounts created, and anyone with an internet connection and email address can create an account without spending a penny. Atari had to admit the one million accounts wasn't even just STO accounts, but that total included CO back in Feb.
http://www.incgamers.com/Games/1394/News/20839/one-million-star-trek-online-accounts-registered
http://www.incgamers.com/News/20843/star-trek-online-does-not-have-1m-users
To this day there aren't a million accounts on the STO forums, so they pretty much had to admit the one million accounts BS was marketing spin.
Edit:spelling
Do not make the assumtpion your area repesents more than your area. I have been in the same local stores and all have sold out and had to restock a few times. I have also been in a few stores in the St. Louis area and when I aksed again found they had sold out at least the first run.
Someone here mentioned the number of forum users for Star Trek, I am curious where you show the number of registered accounts? If you are judging based on posts then you should be aware that about 75% of most gam,es players do NOT use the forums at all.
I am not sure about the actual sales numbers but what I do know is that every few days I find something they changed in a quick patch that has made the game better. Just did the stop the Gorn fleet battle and it was a wild ride. We had about 15 federation pilots involved at various skill levels in our instance. (BTW there where 28 active instances at that time) The battle was intense with all of us walking the ragged edge of losing our ships. Our group did a great job of cover fire and we managed to only suffer three loses of ships for the entire fight.
I also know the fleet I am a part of has a nice growth rate going with us brining in about 3 to 5 pilots per week. We have lost pilots but we gain more than we lose. Again this is normal turn over for an MMO.
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Aion as of the 9th of Nov has sold 975,000 boxes and I imagine is still selling so has broken the million mark by now.
SOURCE: http://www.massively.com/2009/11/09/aion-reports-nearly-1-million-copies-sold-in-north-america-and-e/
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I totally agree and hold my hand up to say I bought STO. I will however never purchase another Cryptic game as I know exactly what to expect.
I just wanted to pipe in too and say .. I just checked out Xfire today and compared LoTRO vs STO.. LoTRO has 30% more players playing, but has 100% more game time.. What does that mean? Easy, it means that each player is playing longer per session then those on STO.. Even Aion, which has 4x more players then STO, has 6x more playing minutes.. It appears that so many of the top 100 mmo's games, have a better (minutes played per player) then STO.. Does that mean anything?
I think it does, what it shows is something many people such as myself have pointed out, STO has a more casual play style. Where with other MMOs I feel like I NEED to devote at least 3 hours to them to accomplish anything, with STO I can get by with an hour here, 45 minutes there as my schedule in real life dictates. That does not mean people are not putting in the long sessions, I put in about a 2 hour session yesterday.
Also I am of the opinion that you have to take X-Fires numbers with a grain of salt. They are never close to the real numbers of the game. One other thing to consider as well is the solocentric feel of STO. I mean when I play LOTRO or EVE I spend as much as a hour just sitting around waiting for everyone, I have never seen any of our fleet just sitting in STO.
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I have a soap box and I am not afraid to use it.
Pick a forum member on the forums and mouseover their name. Not sure about Firefox, but with IE in the bottom left corner you'll see blahblahblah "member.php?u=xxxxxx", where xxxxxx is the account number. Briefly looked at the forum today and couldn't find any April 2010 members, but highest March 2010 member I saw was like 660k-ish, but of course there might be a number a bit higher. You are assigned an account number when the account is created...not posting on the forums doesn't matter when it comes to your account number.
FYI, when I cancelled my account Feb 26th, I had done the Gorn fleet battle a few days before and there were close to 100 instances of it, so I have to LOL at 28 instances. Assume for a second they really sold one million...for Jack to say a few days ago they had over 100k subscribers means RECORD drop in subs. I'm betting they only sold about 400k units, and for 1.5 months later to already have somewhere moderately north of 100k subs for such a huge IP is really pathetic.
In any event, the one million accounts claim was made in Feb, and if you looked at the links in my last post, you'll see Atari admitted the one million number was accounts created and not sales, and further admitted that number combined STO and CO forum accounts, and your forum account=game account. You don't even need to buy anything to create an account.
And many, and I mean many people created several accounts to have more chances for a beta invite.
The general trend is that there are around 500-600K mmorpg "jumpers"
Players that jump from one hyped game to another hyped game sometimes in a matter of months ...
A lot of games have even less jumpers, but most AAA titles fall into this range.
.
The result is that most AAA titles have an initial print run of around 1 M copies, that mostly linger for months and sometimes years in retail. So those 1M aren't retail sales after all.
Everybody happy: the producers can say they sold around 1M to shops, the player fans are happy. The only problem lays with the retail who have excessive stocks for months and then need to sell at a loss to liquidate stock.
The above is the same story for every AAA title shipped since Jan 2007 (Vanguard lotro, TR, AoC, War, Aion, ST)
A nice advice for the hoppers to save money: try the open Beta.
Play it smart and you can play a game at launch for 10 days at 5 euro before cancelling.
Publishers think they can promote games by open Beta. I think it is very much counter productive.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
I tend to agree with some of the points made here . There are mmo nomads which came into the genre when Warcraft was released that now find that game to be somewhat lacking and are looking for a new home . Unfortunatly most games have been a let down . Vanguard was pretty terrible on release . Age of Conan although I found it had some redeaming qualitys lacked the factions it needed ( it was a gankfest on pvp servers and a bore on pve ones ) .Tabula Rasa while I played in beta and it did'nt really grab me at all .Warhammer worked well in the scenarios but thats about it . Aion I've avoided . but Lord of the Rings online is a pretty solid game althought not the game I hoped it would be it still holds my attention after 2 years of play . If STO can achieve a decent friendly community around the same level of substhen in my book it will be worth a look .
Yeah but that doesn't explain why people still buy the upgraded sports titles every year from EA... face it 80%+ of gamers are morons... or fanboys.
how else do you explain someone actually paying full price for a game such as ODST on the console, which was, at best simply a Halo 3 "expansion". a poor one at that.
we do like buying games, especially the UK, third largest video games market by itself.... huge market here, even if we're simply regarded by most developers as 2nd class citizens.
although, lets have a giggle at the "other" cryptic game -
http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/6080087/Champions-Online/Product.html
by this stage in the lifecycle, even auto assault was £5.
when Hellgate: London beats you, you know it's a tough life...
http://www.play.com/Games/PC/4-/667244/Hellgate-London/Product.html?ptsl=1&ob=Price&fb=0
me, i gave up on STO after 2 weeks at Rear Admiral in my star cruiser... and laughed at the C-Store gimick... luckily i didn't pay for the game
but i do always try new games rather than base my opinions on something i never actually played....
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