nVidias not yet released chip is too big and expensive to produce i.e. their next cards will cost $499-$599 and that means that they will not sell many of them. I mean 500 to 600 buckaroos for a graphics card? Give me a break!
Here in Canada a 5870 is $460 ish and when short supply up to just under $500. The 5970 can reach $700 Canadian.
Still not so bad. Those two go for $700 and $900 where I live.
Damn. Y'all must be doing some heavy gaming. I just wanna play my MMO's. I think one 5770 and one later crossfired will be just fine for me. Maybe a nice FPS too. Spend about $170 and another later. Otherwise I spend $300-$400 now and then I'll be tempted to spend another $300-$400 later and my wife will kill me. Wives and hardware don't mix.
Damn. Y'all must be doing some heavy gaming. I just wanna play my MMO's. I think one 5770 and one later crossfired will be just fine for me. Maybe a nice FPS too. Spend about $170 and another later. Otherwise I spend $300-$400 now and then I'll be tempted to spend another $300-$400 later and my wife will kill me. Wives and hardware don't mix.
Chassis: NZXT LEXA BlackLine - ATX Mid Tower
Chassis Cooling Device: 2x Rosewill RFA80L-R 80mm Red LED Case Fan, 3x Rosewill RFA120L-R 120mm Red LED Case Fan
Power Supply: COOLER MASTER Real Power Pro RS-750 - ATX12V 750 Watt
Damn. Y'all must be doing some heavy gaming. I just wanna play my MMO's. I think one 5770 and one later crossfired will be just fine for me. Maybe a nice FPS too. Spend about $170 and another later. Otherwise I spend $300-$400 now and then I'll be tempted to spend another $300-$400 later and my wife will kill me. Wives and hardware don't mix.
Chassis: NZXT LEXA BlackLine - ATX Mid Tower
Chassis Cooling Device: 2x Rosewill RFA80L-R 80mm Red LED Case Fan, 3x Rosewill RFA120L-R 120mm Red LED Case Fan
Power Supply: COOLER MASTER Real Power Pro RS-750 - ATX12V 750 Watt
I'm building my next system and have the boxes just sitting there. Gonna take me a while to save for the rest. But so far I have the: Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Foxconn Inferno Katana GTI LGA 1156 Intel P55 Intel X25-V SSDSA2MP040G2R5 2.5" 40GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (OS) Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS 150GB 10000 RPM SATA HDD (Games and Apps) Now I'm broke. :`(
But hey. It's a start right?
I wouldn't have spent the money on the drives, normal drives work fine. Waste of money. All that will help with is load times of games and the OS, and not really by much. Does not help performance. I would have gotten the CPU, Mobo, RAM, and Video card(s) first and had a usable system first recycling my old drives.
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I wouldn't have spent the money on the drives, normal drives work fine. Waste of money. All that will help with is load times of games and the OS, and not really by much. Does not help performance. I would have gotten the CPU, Mobo, RAM, and Video card(s) first and had a usable system first recycling my old drives.
True. But I had money in my hands and got too excited and saw some good deals on NewEgg. In any case, it's not like I would be using the system anytime soon. But at least I get to take the boxes out and look at them.
Well ATI until Sept when Nvidia launches their next round of cards which will probably be better. Then ATI will release theirs which will be better and it goes back and forth like this until one gets bought by the other.
Well ATI until Sept when Nvidia launches their next round of cards which will probably be better. Then ATI will release theirs which will be better and it goes back and forth like this until one gets bought by the other.
That was how it was YEARS ago. Now it is one or the other. And sad to say even with the newer nVida cards they will still lack the power of the newer ATi ones. My 3870s beat nVidias latest, hell the old 8800 nVidia cards out power their new ones.
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nVidia Cards are so much better then ATI. If you are going to run single card and not SLI/Crossfire, nVidia blows ATI out of the water. Price wise, speed wise, and useability wise. Games that have problem with graphic cards, all of the time it has to do with the ATI cards.
nVidia Cards are so much better then ATI. If you are going to run single card and not SLI/Crossfire, nVidia blows ATI out of the water. Price wise, speed wise, and useability wise. Games that have problem with graphic cards, all of the time it has to do with the ATI cards.
Straight from the mouth of a fanboi.
Not only does ATi beat nVidia price wise, hardware wise the 5870, and even the 5890 both blow nVidias offerings out of the water. Usability? What? Seriously drivers install and run just fine, what do you mean usability?
ROFL I know tons of games that have issues with nVidia, with ATi, or both. Don't even.
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Well ATI until Sept when Nvidia launches their next round of cards which will probably be better. Then ATI will release theirs which will be better and it goes back and forth like this until one gets bought by the other.
That was how it was YEARS ago. Now it is one or the other. And sad to say even with the newer nVida cards they will still lack the power of the newer ATi ones. My 3870s beat nVidias latest, hell the old 8800 nVidia cards out power their new ones.
And spyder, you should do your research because ATI cards have more problems with bottlenecking than nVidia,
Well ATI until Sept when Nvidia launches their next round of cards which will probably be better. Then ATI will release theirs which will be better and it goes back and forth like this until one gets bought by the other.
That was how it was YEARS ago. Now it is one or the other. And sad to say even with the newer nVida cards they will still lack the power of the newer ATi ones. My 3870s beat nVidias latest, hell the old 8800 nVidia cards out power their new ones.
And spyder, you should do your research because ATI cards have more problems with bottlenecking than nVidia,
ROFL! Hardware specs say otherwise, the ram and the speed of the GPU run without bottlenecking. Sorry nice try. Learn what bottlenecking is, and how it happens, and most of all please stop sticking your foot in your mouth.
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AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by r3zs1ckn3ss
Damn. Y'all must be doing some heavy gaming. I just wanna play my MMO's. I think one 5770 and one later crossfired will be just fine for me. Maybe a nice FPS too. Spend about $170 and another later. Otherwise I spend $300-$400 now and then I'll be tempted to spend another $300-$400 later and my wife will kill me. Wives and hardware don't mix.
My wifes a gamer too, just as much money goes on upgrades as her shopping habit!
She is neither for either GPU maker, had them in different machines over the years. She is Canadian though so she likes ATI.
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by spyder2k5
Originally posted by drazzah
Originally posted by spyder2k5
Originally posted by Varny
Well ATI until Sept when Nvidia launches their next round of cards which will probably be better. Then ATI will release theirs which will be better and it goes back and forth like this until one gets bought by the other.
That was how it was YEARS ago. Now it is one or the other. And sad to say even with the newer nVida cards they will still lack the power of the newer ATi ones. My 3870s beat nVidias latest, hell the old 8800 nVidia cards out power their new ones.
And spyder, you should do your research because ATI cards have more problems with bottlenecking than nVidia,
ROFL! Hardware specs say otherwise, the ram and the speed of the GPU run without bottlenecking. Sorry nice try. Learn what bottlenecking is, and how it happens, and most of all please stop sticking your foot in your mouth.
Spyder c'mon mate, I want some of what your drinking.
Well ATI until Sept when Nvidia launches their next round of cards which will probably be better. Then ATI will release theirs which will be better and it goes back and forth like this until one gets bought by the other.
That was how it was YEARS ago. Now it is one or the other. And sad to say even with the newer nVida cards they will still lack the power of the newer ATi ones. My 3870s beat nVidias latest, hell the old 8800 nVidia cards out power their new ones.
And spyder, you should do your research because ATI cards have more problems with bottlenecking than nVidia,
ROFL! Hardware specs say otherwise, the ram and the speed of the GPU run without bottlenecking. Sorry nice try. Learn what bottlenecking is, and how it happens, and most of all please stop sticking your foot in your mouth.
Spyder c'mon mate, I want some of what your drinking.
Your 3870 beats a GTX 285? lol.
Now that's foot and mouth disease.
GTX 285:
Core Clock: 648MHz
Stream Processors: 240 Processor Cores
Effective Memory Clock: 2484MHz(effective)
Memory Type: GDDR3
My 3870(just one I have 2):
Core Clock: 851MHz
Stream Processors: 320 Stream Processing Units
Effective Memory Clock: 2280MHz
Memory Type: GDDR4
Please for the love of god, stop sucking up to nVidia and using opinions in place of facts, it will only hurt you.
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AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by spyder2k5
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by spyder2k5
Originally posted by drazzah
Originally posted by spyder2k5
Originally posted by Varny
Well ATI until Sept when Nvidia launches their next round of cards which will probably be better. Then ATI will release theirs which will be better and it goes back and forth like this until one gets bought by the other.
That was how it was YEARS ago. Now it is one or the other. And sad to say even with the newer nVida cards they will still lack the power of the newer ATi ones. My 3870s beat nVidias latest, hell the old 8800 nVidia cards out power their new ones.
And spyder, you should do your research because ATI cards have more problems with bottlenecking than nVidia,
ROFL! Hardware specs say otherwise, the ram and the speed of the GPU run without bottlenecking. Sorry nice try. Learn what bottlenecking is, and how it happens, and most of all please stop sticking your foot in your mouth.
Spyder c'mon mate, I want some of what your drinking.
Your 3870 beats a GTX 285? lol.
Now that's foot and mouth disease.
GTX 285:
Core Clock: 648MHz
Stream Processors: 240 Processor Cores
Effective Memory Clock: 2484MHz(effective)
Memory Type: GDDR3
My 3870(just one I have 2):
Core Clock: 851MHz
Stream Processors: 320 Stream Processing Units
Effective Memory Clock: 2280MHz
Memory Type: GDDR4
Please for the love of god, stop sucking up to nVidia and using opinions in place of facts, it will only hurt you.
Are you trying to educate people that SPU's and architecture is the same? FYI what ATI calls a Stream processor is different to Nvidia's. Are you seriously under the impression that because your 3870 is clocked higher it performs better?
Not to mention you failed to mention memory interface. 512 > 256.
Well ATI until Sept when Nvidia launches their next round of cards which will probably be better. Then ATI will release theirs which will be better and it goes back and forth like this until one gets bought by the other.
That was how it was YEARS ago. Now it is one or the other. And sad to say even with the newer nVida cards they will still lack the power of the newer ATi ones. My 3870s beat nVidias latest, hell the old 8800 nVidia cards out power their new ones.
And spyder, you should do your research because ATI cards have more problems with bottlenecking than nVidia,
ROFL! Hardware specs say otherwise, the ram and the speed of the GPU run without bottlenecking. Sorry nice try. Learn what bottlenecking is, and how it happens, and most of all please stop sticking your foot in your mouth.
Spyder c'mon mate, I want some of what your drinking. Your 3870 beats a GTX 285? lol. Now that's foot and mouth disease.
Are you trying to educate people that SPU's and architecture is the same? FYI what ATI calls a Stream processor is different to Nvidia's. Are you seriously under the impression that because your 3870 is clocked higher it performs better? Not to mention you failed to mention memory interface. 512 > 256. What about the states that count? 3870 Memory Bandwidth: 72 GB/sec FLOPS: 496 GFLOPS Pixel Fill Rate: 12400 MPixels/sec Texture Fill Rate: 12400 MTexels/sec Texture Units: 16 Raster Operators 16 Shader Clock: 775 MHz GTX 285 Memory Bandwidth: 158.976 GB/sec FLOPS: 1062.72 GFLOPS Pixel Fill Rate: 20736 MPixels/sec Texture Fill Rate: 51840 MTexels/sec Texture Units: 80 Raster Operators 32 Shader Clock: 1476 MHz Someone please explain to him. We will see the same this year, a higher memory interface and lower clocks from nvidia out performing at the top end on single GPU.
ROFL, I see now you know very little about computer, or the hardware involved. Those specs mean jack s*** on the nVidia, the whole thing bottlenecks itself. The card can only run as fast as its slowest component. You also fail to realize mine as well as the one quoted is the higher end versions of the spectrum, my 3870s are not stock. It would easily beat the 285. Sorry to burst your false knowledge party.
Oh and that site? It posts theoretical figures that are just that theoretical, they are not numbers you can do anything else with. They don't mean anything next to real numbers and based facts which I have shown.
This topic has gone into retardation with all the supposed people that claim they know stuff they obviously do not. I am tired of fighting idiots all day. Argue with yourself.
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AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by spyder2k5
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by spyder2k5
Originally posted by AmazingAvery
Originally posted by spyder2k5
Originally posted by drazzah
Originally posted by spyder2k5
Originally posted by Varny
Well ATI until Sept when Nvidia launches their next round of cards which will probably be better. Then ATI will release theirs which will be better and it goes back and forth like this until one gets bought by the other.
That was how it was YEARS ago. Now it is one or the other. And sad to say even with the newer nVida cards they will still lack the power of the newer ATi ones. My 3870s beat nVidias latest, hell the old 8800 nVidia cards out power their new ones.
And spyder, you should do your research because ATI cards have more problems with bottlenecking than nVidia,
ROFL! Hardware specs say otherwise, the ram and the speed of the GPU run without bottlenecking. Sorry nice try. Learn what bottlenecking is, and how it happens, and most of all please stop sticking your foot in your mouth.
Spyder c'mon mate, I want some of what your drinking.
Your 3870 beats a GTX 285? lol.
Now that's foot and mouth disease.
GTX 285:
Core Clock: 648MHz
Stream Processors: 240 Processor Cores
Effective Memory Clock: 2484MHz(effective)
Memory Type: GDDR3
My 3870(just one I have 2):
Core Clock: 851MHz
Stream Processors: 320 Stream Processing Units
Effective Memory Clock: 2280MHz
Memory Type: GDDR4
Please for the love of god, stop sucking up to nVidia and using opinions in place of facts, it will only hurt you.
Are you trying to educate people that SPU's and architecture is the same? FYI what ATI calls a Stream processor is different to Nvidia's. Are you seriously under the impression that because your 3870 is clocked higher it performs better?
Not to mention you failed to mention memory interface. 512 > 256.
We will see the same this year, a higher memory interface and lower clocks from nvidia out performing at the top end on single GPU.
ROFL, I see now you know very little about computer, or the hardware involved. Those specs mean jack s*** on the nVidia, the whole thing bottlenecks itself. The card can only run as fast as its slowest component. You also fail to realize mine as well as the one quoted is the higher end versions of the spectrum, my 3870s are not stock. It would easily beat the 285. Sorry to burst your false knowledge party.
Oh and that site? It posts theoretical figures that are just that theoretical, they are not numbers you can do anything else with. They don't mean anything next to real numbers and based facts which I have shown.
This topic has gone into retardation with all the supposed people that claim they know stuff they obviously do not. I am tired of fighting idiots all day. Argue with yourself.
Link me reputable game benchmarks to prove what you are saying. If you noticed you can move the OC slider on linked site to OC your card to the high end and watch the numbers go up.
If you want to live in dreamland that is your choice I am just trying to help you out as it is clear you have an issue.
Self denial.
I owned a 3870 and 3870x2, have the boxes with the stats in front of me. Went 8800 never looked back. Then went GTX doubled the fun..
No upper end GPU is going to bottleneck performance. That said the HD3870 and GTX285 have different strengths.
The HD3870 is a poly rendering/calculation card to the extreme. It can do things the GTX285 simply can't. I think AMD had the right idea with the HD2900 and subsequent HD3870, the future of games will be in calculations and increased amount of polies. Instead of making a card based on DX9.0 development they made a card that can render millions of polies and can real-time ray trace. This path actually makes more sense then continuing with larger texture and rasterization, since that path will be victim to hard drive load, limited memory limits of 32-bit software, and larger transistor counts for limited effect. However, the game industry did not seem to agree on this and decided not to use Real-time Raytracing and Instanced Based Tesselation.
The GTX285 uses an architecture that nVidia themselves will kill with Fermi. If you get a recent nVidia card you made a bad investment. Although it can rasterize really quickly and load extremely large textures, this isn't the future of game development and will be obsolete soon enough. The benefit of the GTX285 is it has a superior amount of transistors. The downside is those transistors are badly utilized and no game will ever make use of them all.
I am no PC tech, just a casual observer. Yet, I've decided that ATI would be my choice, for one reason. I've been seeing alot of threads here, and elsewhere, about 8 series Nvidia's going poof. And as I look more, I see much more about Nvidia's, going poof, in general. Could be other reasons, why I dont see much about ATI's going poof, but it's enough for me.
Well as you may have noticed in a lot of reviews and forums, the majority pretty much rules in favor of ATI owning 2010 and possibly 2011 if they keep chugging along at this route. At one point Nvdia was a couple steps ahead but now this time it's the complete opposite. And let's not forgot Intel's plans to jump into the market therefore creating another competitor for them.
Getting too old for this $&17!
AmazingAveryAge of Conan AdvocateMemberUncommonPosts: 7,188
Originally posted by mudstuck
I am no PC tech, just a casual observer. Yet, I've decided that ATI would be my choice, for one reason. I've been seeing alot of threads here, and elsewhere, about 8 series Nvidia's going poof. And as I look more, I see much more about Nvidia's, going poof, in general. Could be other reasons, why I dont see much about ATI's going poof, but it's enough for me.
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Here in Canada a 5870 is $460 ish and when short supply up to just under $500. The 5970 can reach $700 Canadian.
Still not so bad. Those two go for $700 and $900 where I live.
Damn. Y'all must be doing some heavy gaming. I just wanna play my MMO's. I think one 5770 and one later crossfired will be just fine for me. Maybe a nice FPS too. Spend about $170 and another later. Otherwise I spend $300-$400 now and then I'll be tempted to spend another $300-$400 later and my wife will kill me. Wives and hardware don't mix.
Getting too old for this $&17!
Chassis: NZXT LEXA BlackLine - ATX Mid Tower
Chassis Cooling Device: 2x Rosewill RFA80L-R 80mm Red LED Case Fan, 3x Rosewill RFA120L-R 120mm Red LED Case Fan
Power Supply: COOLER MASTER Real Power Pro RS-750 - ATX12V 750 Watt
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
Mainboard : ASUS P5E3 WS PRO- X38 LGA 775 ATX
Memory: 4 GB Patriot Extreme Performance PC3-10666 DDR3-1333- Quad Channel in Crossfire
Memory Cooling Device: EVERCOOL MNC-E
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale - 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775
Processor Cooling Device: ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
Video Card: 2x ASUS EAH3870 TOP(ATi 3870) - 851 Mhz Core clock each, 2280 MHz Memory clock each, 512MB GDDR4 each(1 GB Total) Ran in Crossfire.
Video Card Cooling Device: 2x VANTEC Iceberq 6 VGA Cooler
Network Interface Card: Bigfoot Networks Killer NIC M1 - 10/100/1000Mbps PCI 400 MHz Network Processing Unit (NPU) 64MB RAM
Sound Card: AuzenTech Auzen X-Fi Prelude 7.1 - 7.1 Channels 24-bit 192KHz 64MB X-RAM
Hard Drives: 2x Western Digital Caviar WD5000AAKS - 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s (1 TB Total Space)
Media Devices: LG GSA-H55NK - 20X DVD±R 2MB Cache ATAPI / E-IDE Super Multi DVD Burner
Keyboard: Logitech G15 V2.0
Mouse: Logitech MX518 Gaming Optical Mouse
Monitor: ASUS VK222U - 22" Widescreen, 2ms Response time, 5000:1 Contrast ratio, 1.3MP Built in Webcam/Speakers
Speakers: 5.1 Surround sound
Power Protection: BELKIN BE112234 - 4120 joule Surge Suppressor with Phone/Modem, RJ45 and Coax Protection
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate Signature Edition x64
Those are my specs
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Chassis: NZXT LEXA BlackLine - ATX Mid Tower
Chassis Cooling Device: 2x Rosewill RFA80L-R 80mm Red LED Case Fan, 3x Rosewill RFA120L-R 120mm Red LED Case Fan
Power Supply: COOLER MASTER Real Power Pro RS-750 - ATX12V 750 Watt
Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound
Mainboard : ASUS P5E3 WS PRO- X38 LGA 775 ATX
Memory: 4 GB Patriot Extreme Performance PC3-10666 DDR3-1333- Quad Channel in Crossfire
Memory Cooling Device: EVERCOOL MNC-E
Processor: Intel Core 2 Duo E8400 Wolfdale - 3.0GHz 6MB L2 Cache LGA 775
Processor Cooling Device: ARCTIC COOLING Freezer 7 Pro 92mm CPU Cooler
Video Card: 2x ASUS EAH3870 TOP(ATi 3870) - 851 Mhz Core clock each, 2280 MHz Memory clock each, 512MB GDDR4 each(1 GB Total) Ran in Crossfire.
Video Card Cooling Device: 2x VANTEC Iceberq 6 VGA Cooler
Network Interface Card: Bigfoot Networks Killer NIC M1 - 10/100/1000Mbps PCI 400 MHz Network Processing Unit (NPU) 64MB RAM
Sound Card: AuzenTech Auzen X-Fi Prelude 7.1 - 7.1 Channels 24-bit 192KHz 64MB X-RAM
Hard Drives: 2x Western Digital Caviar WD5000AAKS - 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s (1 TB Total Space)
Media Devices: LG GSA-H55NK - 20X DVD±R 2MB Cache ATAPI / E-IDE Super Multi DVD Burner
Keyboard: Logitech G15 V2.0
Mouse: Logitech MX518 Gaming Optical Mouse
Monitor: ASUS VK222U - 22" Widescreen, 2ms Response time, 5000:1 Contrast ratio, 1.3MP Built in Webcam/Speakers
Speakers: 5.1 Surround sound
Power Protection: BELKIN BE112234 - 4120 joule Surge Suppressor with Phone/Modem, RJ45 and Coax Protection
Operating System: Windows 7 Ultimate Signature Edition x64
Those are my specs
Haha. You included your surge protector. At least your specs kill my ancient machine.
Pentium D Smithfield 820 2.80 GHz Dual Core
Gigabyte P35-DS3L MOBO
WD Raptor 10k RPM 36g HD (OS)
WD Green 7200 RPM 320g HD (Program Drive)
2g RAM DDR@ 800 GSkill RAM
HIS RadeonHD 2600XT ICEQ Turbo (Automatically Clocked Memory to 2200MHz so no head room.)
Raidmax Dirktooth Mid Tower Gaming Case (4) Fan
Thermaltake CPU Fan/Heatsink
DVDCD +-RW Dual Layer Vizio 32" LCD 1080p
Yeah. My hardware is screaming for an overdue upgrade. Anyone wanna give me some $. (^_^)
I'm building my next system and have the boxes just sitting there. Gonna take me a while to save for the rest. But so far I have the:
Intel Core i7-860 Lynnfield 2.8GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core
Foxconn Inferno Katana GTI LGA 1156 Intel P55
Intel X25-V SSDSA2MP040G2R5 2.5" 40GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (OS)
Western Digital VelociRaptor WD1500HLFS 150GB 10000 RPM SATA HDD (Games and Apps)
Now I'm broke. :`(
But hey. It's a start right?
Getting too old for this $&17!
I wouldn't have spent the money on the drives, normal drives work fine. Waste of money. All that will help with is load times of games and the OS, and not really by much. Does not help performance. I would have gotten the CPU, Mobo, RAM, and Video card(s) first and had a usable system first recycling my old drives.
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I wouldn't have spent the money on the drives, normal drives work fine. Waste of money. All that will help with is load times of games and the OS, and not really by much. Does not help performance. I would have gotten the CPU, Mobo, RAM, and Video card(s) first and had a usable system first recycling my old drives.
True. But I had money in my hands and got too excited and saw some good deals on NewEgg. In any case, it's not like I would be using the system anytime soon. But at least I get to take the boxes out and look at them.
Getting too old for this $&17!
Well ATI until Sept when Nvidia launches their next round of cards which will probably be better. Then ATI will release theirs which will be better and it goes back and forth like this until one gets bought by the other.
That was how it was YEARS ago. Now it is one or the other. And sad to say even with the newer nVida cards they will still lack the power of the newer ATi ones. My 3870s beat nVidias latest, hell the old 8800 nVidia cards out power their new ones.
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nVidia Cards are so much better then ATI. If you are going to run single card and not SLI/Crossfire, nVidia blows ATI out of the water. Price wise, speed wise, and useability wise. Games that have problem with graphic cards, all of the time it has to do with the ATI cards.
Straight from the mouth of a fanboi.
Not only does ATi beat nVidia price wise, hardware wise the 5870, and even the 5890 both blow nVidias offerings out of the water. Usability? What? Seriously drivers install and run just fine, what do you mean usability?
ROFL I know tons of games that have issues with nVidia, with ATi, or both. Don't even.
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That was how it was YEARS ago. Now it is one or the other. And sad to say even with the newer nVida cards they will still lack the power of the newer ATi ones. My 3870s beat nVidias latest, hell the old 8800 nVidia cards out power their new ones.
And spyder, you should do your research because ATI cards have more problems with bottlenecking than nVidia,
That was how it was YEARS ago. Now it is one or the other. And sad to say even with the newer nVida cards they will still lack the power of the newer ATi ones. My 3870s beat nVidias latest, hell the old 8800 nVidia cards out power their new ones.
And spyder, you should do your research because ATI cards have more problems with bottlenecking than nVidia,
ROFL! Hardware specs say otherwise, the ram and the speed of the GPU run without bottlenecking. Sorry nice try. Learn what bottlenecking is, and how it happens, and most of all please stop sticking your foot in your mouth.
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My wifes a gamer too, just as much money goes on upgrades as her shopping habit!
She is neither for either GPU maker, had them in different machines over the years. She is Canadian though so she likes ATI.
That was how it was YEARS ago. Now it is one or the other. And sad to say even with the newer nVida cards they will still lack the power of the newer ATi ones. My 3870s beat nVidias latest, hell the old 8800 nVidia cards out power their new ones.
And spyder, you should do your research because ATI cards have more problems with bottlenecking than nVidia,
ROFL! Hardware specs say otherwise, the ram and the speed of the GPU run without bottlenecking. Sorry nice try. Learn what bottlenecking is, and how it happens, and most of all please stop sticking your foot in your mouth.
Spyder c'mon mate, I want some of what your drinking.
Your 3870 beats a GTX 285? lol.
Now that's foot and mouth disease.
GTX 285:
Core Clock: 648MHz
Stream Processors: 240 Processor Cores
Effective Memory Clock: 2484MHz(effective)
Memory Type: GDDR3
My 3870(just one I have 2):
Core Clock: 851MHz
Stream Processors: 320 Stream Processing Units
Effective Memory Clock: 2280MHz
Memory Type: GDDR4
Please for the love of god, stop sucking up to nVidia and using opinions in place of facts, it will only hurt you.
See more at:
GTX 285:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814130442
My 3870:
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16814121233
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That was how it was YEARS ago. Now it is one or the other. And sad to say even with the newer nVida cards they will still lack the power of the newer ATi ones. My 3870s beat nVidias latest, hell the old 8800 nVidia cards out power their new ones.
And spyder, you should do your research because ATI cards have more problems with bottlenecking than nVidia,
ROFL! Hardware specs say otherwise, the ram and the speed of the GPU run without bottlenecking. Sorry nice try. Learn what bottlenecking is, and how it happens, and most of all please stop sticking your foot in your mouth.
Spyder c'mon mate, I want some of what your drinking.
Your 3870 beats a GTX 285? lol.
Now that's foot and mouth disease.
GTX 285:
Core Clock: 648MHz
Stream Processors: 240 Processor Cores
Effective Memory Clock: 2484MHz(effective)
Memory Type: GDDR3
My 3870(just one I have 2):
Core Clock: 851MHz
Stream Processors: 320 Stream Processing Units
Effective Memory Clock: 2280MHz
Memory Type: GDDR4
Please for the love of god, stop sucking up to nVidia and using opinions in place of facts, it will only hurt you.
See more at:
GTX 285:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814130442
My 3870:
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16814121233
Are you trying to educate people that SPU's and architecture is the same? FYI what ATI calls a Stream processor is different to Nvidia's. Are you seriously under the impression that because your 3870 is clocked higher it performs better?
Not to mention you failed to mention memory interface. 512 > 256.
What about the states that count?
3870
Memory Bandwidth: 72 GB/sec
FLOPS: 496 GFLOPS
Pixel Fill Rate: 12400 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate: 12400 MTexels/sec
Texture Units: 16
Raster Operators 16
Shader Clock: 775 MHz
GTX 285
Memory Bandwidth: 158.976 GB/sec
FLOPS: 1062.72 GFLOPS
Pixel Fill Rate: 20736 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate: 51840 MTexels/sec
Texture Units: 80
Raster Operators 32
Shader Clock: 1476 MHz
Someone please explain to him.
We will see the same this year, a higher memory interface and lower clocks from nvidia out performing at the top end on single GPU.
ROFL, I see now you know very little about computer, or the hardware involved. Those specs mean jack s*** on the nVidia, the whole thing bottlenecks itself. The card can only run as fast as its slowest component. You also fail to realize mine as well as the one quoted is the higher end versions of the spectrum, my 3870s are not stock. It would easily beat the 285. Sorry to burst your false knowledge party.
Oh and that site? It posts theoretical figures that are just that theoretical, they are not numbers you can do anything else with. They don't mean anything next to real numbers and based facts which I have shown.
This topic has gone into retardation with all the supposed people that claim they know stuff they obviously do not. I am tired of fighting idiots all day. Argue with yourself.
Owner/Admin of GodlessGamer.com - Gaming news and reviews for the godless.
That was how it was YEARS ago. Now it is one or the other. And sad to say even with the newer nVida cards they will still lack the power of the newer ATi ones. My 3870s beat nVidias latest, hell the old 8800 nVidia cards out power their new ones.
And spyder, you should do your research because ATI cards have more problems with bottlenecking than nVidia,
ROFL! Hardware specs say otherwise, the ram and the speed of the GPU run without bottlenecking. Sorry nice try. Learn what bottlenecking is, and how it happens, and most of all please stop sticking your foot in your mouth.
Spyder c'mon mate, I want some of what your drinking.
Your 3870 beats a GTX 285? lol.
Now that's foot and mouth disease.
GTX 285:
Core Clock: 648MHz
Stream Processors: 240 Processor Cores
Effective Memory Clock: 2484MHz(effective)
Memory Type: GDDR3
My 3870(just one I have 2):
Core Clock: 851MHz
Stream Processors: 320 Stream Processing Units
Effective Memory Clock: 2280MHz
Memory Type: GDDR4
Please for the love of god, stop sucking up to nVidia and using opinions in place of facts, it will only hurt you.
See more at:
GTX 285:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E16814130442
My 3870:
http://www.newegg.com/product/product.aspx?item=N82E16814121233
Are you trying to educate people that SPU's and architecture is the same? FYI what ATI calls a Stream processor is different to Nvidia's. Are you seriously under the impression that because your 3870 is clocked higher it performs better?
Not to mention you failed to mention memory interface. 512 > 256.
What about the states that count?
3870
Memory Bandwidth: 72 GB/sec
FLOPS: 496 GFLOPS
Pixel Fill Rate: 12400 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate: 12400 MTexels/sec
Texture Units: 16
Raster Operators 16
Shader Clock: 775 MHz
GTX 285
Memory Bandwidth: 158.976 GB/sec
FLOPS: 1062.72 GFLOPS
Pixel Fill Rate: 20736 MPixels/sec
Texture Fill Rate: 51840 MTexels/sec
Texture Units: 80
Raster Operators 32
Shader Clock: 1476 MHz
Someone please explain to him.
We will see the same this year, a higher memory interface and lower clocks from nvidia out performing at the top end on single GPU.
ROFL, I see now you know very little about computer, or the hardware involved. Those specs mean jack s*** on the nVidia, the whole thing bottlenecks itself. The card can only run as fast as its slowest component. You also fail to realize mine as well as the one quoted is the higher end versions of the spectrum, my 3870s are not stock. It would easily beat the 285. Sorry to burst your false knowledge party.
Oh and that site? It posts theoretical figures that are just that theoretical, they are not numbers you can do anything else with. They don't mean anything next to real numbers and based facts which I have shown.
This topic has gone into retardation with all the supposed people that claim they know stuff they obviously do not. I am tired of fighting idiots all day. Argue with yourself.
Link me reputable game benchmarks to prove what you are saying. If you noticed you can move the OC slider on linked site to OC your card to the high end and watch the numbers go up.
If you want to live in dreamland that is your choice I am just trying to help you out as it is clear you have an issue.
Self denial.
I owned a 3870 and 3870x2, have the boxes with the stats in front of me. Went 8800 never looked back. Then went GTX doubled the fun..
No upper end GPU is going to bottleneck performance. That said the HD3870 and GTX285 have different strengths.
The HD3870 is a poly rendering/calculation card to the extreme. It can do things the GTX285 simply can't. I think AMD had the right idea with the HD2900 and subsequent HD3870, the future of games will be in calculations and increased amount of polies. Instead of making a card based on DX9.0 development they made a card that can render millions of polies and can real-time ray trace. This path actually makes more sense then continuing with larger texture and rasterization, since that path will be victim to hard drive load, limited memory limits of 32-bit software, and larger transistor counts for limited effect. However, the game industry did not seem to agree on this and decided not to use Real-time Raytracing and Instanced Based Tesselation.
The GTX285 uses an architecture that nVidia themselves will kill with Fermi. If you get a recent nVidia card you made a bad investment. Although it can rasterize really quickly and load extremely large textures, this isn't the future of game development and will be obsolete soon enough. The benefit of the GTX285 is it has a superior amount of transistors. The downside is those transistors are badly utilized and no game will ever make use of them all.
I am no PC tech, just a casual observer. Yet, I've decided that ATI would be my choice, for one reason. I've been seeing alot of threads here, and elsewhere, about 8 series Nvidia's going poof. And as I look more, I see much more about Nvidia's, going poof, in general. Could be other reasons, why I dont see much about ATI's going poof, but it's enough for me.
Well as you may have noticed in a lot of reviews and forums, the majority pretty much rules in favor of ATI owning 2010 and possibly 2011 if they keep chugging along at this route. At one point Nvdia was a couple steps ahead but now this time it's the complete opposite. And let's not forgot Intel's plans to jump into the market therefore creating another competitor for them.
Getting too old for this $&17!
www.tomshardware.com/news/ATI-Radeon-Gray-Screen-Crash,9529.html
Don't forget:
http://www.reghardware.co.uk/2008/03/28/nvidia_vista_drivers/
or
http://www.engadget.com/2008/03/27/nvidia-drivers-responsible-for-nearly-30-of-vista-crashes-in-20/
But of course Tom's Hardware never reported on that....
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if you leave card or processor at default value there are no problem .but when you touch any oc macanism frm ati
then you get ton of issue ,those softwere are faulty (the auto detect.
rule of tumb ,any time ati ir amd warn you or ask you for a permission STOP.DONT SET THOSE TUNING!
Tom's Hardware never does.
Getting too old for this $&17!