It's so irritating to hear the number of people who say stupid things like: - This isn't how I would have made the game. - This isn't how I wanted/expected it to be. - This game is too "casual"-focused. - This game is boring. 1. I'm guessing that maybe 0.0001% of the members on this forum actually have the ability or talent to create a game, especially an MMO. You didn't make the game, so stop the ridiculous comments about how YOU would have done it "right". 2. Having expectations on what you "hope" a game will be is fine. We all see images and trailers and previews, and hope it will be just what we want. But if it's not, it isn't the developer's "fault". They didn't make the game just for YOU! If you don't like the way it has been made, then don't play it. If someone released Neverwinter Nights 3 and it wasn't the way you thought, I doubt the number of people would be on forums screaming about how they "didn't make it right". 3. They made the game casual-focused intentionally, and it's been obvious through the entire process. All the interviews indicated that this was not some sort of hardcore penalty-fest that only the most "uber" of players could conquer. There aren't 40-man raids, or open PvP everywhere. If you don't like the system, don't play it. They're not going to rework the entire game just for YOU. 4. Boringness is in the eye of the player. It's subjective. Some people enjoy reading the stories of the missions, the combination of ground and space combat, and the strategies they can employ in both. But again, if you think it's boring, then don't play it. I don't have any pity for the people who pre-ordered the game, only to whine and quit after they got into the open beta. If you payed the entire value of the game to a non-refunding company, then that's YOUR fault. Could you have gone to any game store like Gamestop and pre-ordered, then cancelled and gotten all your money back? Yes. There's your lesson: don't buy something you're not completely sure about. Would you go online and buy a car you'd never seen before, and hadn't done your research on? It sounds pretty stupid, and doing it with anything else is just as dumb (only with a smaller monetary risk). It's quite simple, some people like this game, and some people clearly do not. But quit being so self-centered and coming on these forums calling the game a "failure" because it's not exactly what YOU want. Get over yourselves, and go play some other game that was made exactly to your tastes.
this coming from a guy (whom by quickly scanning his post history) was critical of the community and game design of AoC.
Very well said OP. After a while, the ranting becomes boring and static. Granted I agree that everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I really have to laugh at some of the threads. Someone actually wrote that they think if they write and complain on these forums that they are actually doing good because they will convince people not to buy a game, or STO in this case.
I mean come on!!! Are you kidding? Do you actually think anything you write here affects anyone's opinion or decision making. If I want to try it, I'll try it. If I don't FOR MY OWN REASONS and not others, I won't. Don't try to make up peoples minds for them, they have a right to try any game and find out for themselves. They may like it or they may not and just because you don't like a game, doesn't make me wrong if I like it. I didn't say I like STO or don't like, I'm just saying, this is America, and I have the freedom of choice, the choice to make up my own mind.
I've seen some really good and intelligent writing on these forums, and I enjoy all the different points of view, but they have become few and far between. What I see is rant rant rant mostly. It's gotten as old as yesterday's bread. I've even seen the same post repeated over and over again!!! If you have nothing to say, don't repeat yourself, that just makes people ignore you the next time you write a thread.
So, try to keep it fun, intelligent, constructive and keep it coming. As for the ranters and haters, well I think you need to chill and enjoy life. It's short. Have fun and try not to be so hateful or critical, it really is just a game.
they really need a 'my precious' emote on this site despite what you fanboys think not everyone has to like a game you are playing, they are allowed to say so and they don't need to write a 50 page essay to do so
And on the flip side, not everyone has to hate the game because it doesn't meet the expectations of some. Voicing an opinion about a game and moving on is normal and expected. Going on a crusade on a forum because a particular game is not right for you is just unhealthy.
I am going to have to go on assumption that brihtwulf if attempting to troll. A narrow-minded fellow who wants others to read his ranting and stop ranting.
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Cryptic didn't make STO as the project was underway well before Cryptic even received it. And seeing how CO is doing can you really blame people for ranting and raving about it? To them STO is something the fans want to prosper but under the management of Cryptic - the future is bleak for many.
Only time will tell, this is what I said to the CO community when I was a part of it and I am glad I jumped ship when I did.
People are going to have their opinions. Even if people want to go on a crusade against Cryptic, let them. Trying to be "above it all" just brings you down with the people you are voicing against.
It's so irritating to hear the number of people who say stupid things like: - This isn't how I would have made the game. - This isn't how I wanted/expected it to be. - This game is too "casual"-focused. - This game is boring. 1. I'm guessing that maybe 0.0001% of the members on this forum actually have the ability or talent to create a game, especially an MMO. You didn't make the game, so stop the ridiculous comments about how YOU would have done it "right". 2. Having expectations on what you "hope" a game will be is fine. We all see images and trailers and previews, and hope it will be just what we want. But if it's not, it isn't the developer's "fault". They didn't make the game just for YOU! If you don't like the way it has been made, then don't play it. If someone released Neverwinter Nights 3 and it wasn't the way you thought, I doubt the number of people would be on forums screaming about how they "didn't make it right". 3. They made the game casual-focused intentionally, and it's been obvious through the entire process. All the interviews indicated that this was not some sort of hardcore penalty-fest that only the most "uber" of players could conquer. There aren't 40-man raids, or open PvP everywhere. If you don't like the system, don't play it. They're not going to rework the entire game just for YOU. 4. Boringness is in the eye of the player. It's subjective. Some people enjoy reading the stories of the missions, the combination of ground and space combat, and the strategies they can employ in both. But again, if you think it's boring, then don't play it. I don't have any pity for the people who pre-ordered the game, only to whine and quit after they got into the open beta. If you payed the entire value of the game to a non-refunding company, then that's YOUR fault. Could you have gone to any game store like Gamestop and pre-ordered, then cancelled and gotten all your money back? Yes. There's your lesson: don't buy something you're not completely sure about. Would you go online and buy a car you'd never seen before, and hadn't done your research on? It sounds pretty stupid, and doing it with anything else is just as dumb (only with a smaller monetary risk). It's quite simple, some people like this game, and some people clearly do not. But quit being so self-centered and coming on these forums calling the game a "failure" because it's not exactly what YOU want. Get over yourselves, and go play some other game that was made exactly to your tastes.
Sorry, Bubba. I paid REAL money for this game, money that I had to go to work to get. That entitles me to have an opinion of something I paid for. Whether you like my opinion, agree with my opinion, or do not is of absolutely no factor in this.
If you're not interested in the opinions of others, then I have to ask you why you are even bothering to come to a message forum. Because I can guarantee you that of all the things you might find here, opinions are going to be at the top of the list. And as often as not, the opinions are going to differ from yours, sometimes dramatically.
You know what I find weird The op was expressing his opinion and some people jump on him. Posting about forums are about posting opinions. HMM hypocricy at its finest. Maybe its late but I never read in his post where forums are about liking the subject.
Sure: "But quit being so self-centered and coming on these forums calling the game a "failure" because it's not exactly what YOU want" can look like hes saying you cant post but only on the surface and if you read way to much into it. Sorta like if ones wife says "stop being an @55"; sure I could take that as her trying to control me but only if I take everything way to personal.
Ur right op most of them dont actualy play an mmo or they play one called EvE which is the elitist Flavor of the month...more like flaver of the years. Has been for awhile seeing as the "deep and complex games" hold subs worse than "dumb downed casual games". But thats the mmorpg forums for you, a sea of complaining and arm chairing.
And the the guy who compared makeing a game to a movie. That was silly. The fact you compared a guy telling a grown man how to play pretend to writing code and designing software for a large project means youve never done it. And to be perfectly honest is a rediculous comparison. Plus critics are worthless all they like is indie films that only a few people like..... wait isnt that like.... nm i wont go there.
DragonShark: when did he ever say you cant post ur opinion. He was just posting his opinion on those who complain about the game over and over. You talk about intrest in other people opinions but you care little for his. Reminds me of the saying about a plank and a eye.
Gamers have complained and trashed games since the prehistoric days of UO. Some of you new comers to mmos might think thats impossible since you heard UO is the greatest MMO ever on these forums. But its true even EQ and WoW who are known as huge commercial success also had scores of "this game sucks I coulda done beter". ALL OF THEM EVERY SINGLE ONE. Gamers who post on forums (yes thats right not all gamers post on forums) Complain and say they can do better. Its a union rule.
OP is correct. Some people feel the need to piss and moan relentlessly when they do not like a game. Discussion is one thing but the constant flaming gets old. My guess is that people really wanted to like this game and when it didnt live up to their expectations feel the need to rant. Get over it, if you dont like STO find a different game. If you preordered and or purchased a lifetime sub then get over that too and think before spending.
You know what I find weird The op was expressing his opinion and some people jump on him. Posting about forums are about posting opinions. HMM hypocricy at its finest. Maybe its late but I never read in his post where forums are about liking the subject. Sure: "But quit being so self-centered and coming on these forums calling the game a "failure" because it's not exactly what YOU want" can look like hes saying you cant post but only on the surface and if you read way to much into it. Sorta like if ones wife says "stop being an @55"; sure I could take that as her trying to control me but only if I take everything way to personal. Ur right op most of them dont actualy play an mmo or they play one called EvE which is the elitist Flavor of the month...more like flaver of the years. Has been for awhile seeing as the "deep and complex games" hold subs worse than "dumb downed casual games". But thats the mmorpg forums for you, a sea of complaining and arm chairing. And the the guy who compared makeing a game to a movie. That was silly. The fact you compared a guy telling a grown man how to play pretend to writing code and designing software for a large project means youve never done it. And to be perfectly honest is a rediculous comparison. Plus critics are worthless all they like is indie films that only a few people like..... wait isnt that like.... nm i wont go there. DragonShark: when did he ever say you cant post ur opinion. He was just posting his opinion on those who complain about the game over and over. You talk about intrest in other people opinions but you care little for his. Reminds me of the saying about a plank and a eye.
Gamers have complained and trashed games since the prehistoric days of UO. Some of you new comers to mmos might think thats impossible since you heard UO is the greatest MMO ever on these forums. But its true even EQ and WoW who are known as huge commercial success also had scores of "this game sucks I coulda done beter". ALL OF THEM EVERY SINGLE ONE. Gamers who post on forums (yes thats right not all gamers post on forums) Complain and say they can do better. Its a union rule.
Did you read the OP's post? There have been threads saying basicly STO sucks, and heres why.. thats it. No one made a post saying to the effect of: People who like STO are morons. The OP is basicly saying People who dont like STO suck. He's putting his opinion about how he feels negativley about informed consumers with common sense, and trying to teach us how to act.
they really need a 'my precious' emote on this site despite what you fanboys think not everyone has to like a game you are playing, they are allowed to say so and they don't need to write a 50 page essay to do so
And on the flip side, not everyone has to hate the game because it doesn't meet the expectations of some. Voicing an opinion about a game and moving on is normal and expected. Going on a crusade on a forum because a particular game is not right for you is just unhealthy.
and on the flip side voicing your opinion about a game and moving on is normaland expected. Going on a crusade on a forum because a particular game is JUST RIGHT for you is just unhealthy.
I find the negative reviews of most games to be the most useful, especially the long ones. We're not talking scores here. Most people on this forum state the reasons why they are unhappy, disappointed, or sometimes just angry (as in those who actually bit the bullet and paid). If i list as one of the reasons I don't like STO it's heavy reliance on instances and pretty much complete lack of open world content, and someone else's response to that is oh instances, I don't mind that at all, well then they can obviously dismiss that. If I say I am not willing to fork a subscription fee that only buys me bug fixes and patches while the company throws out microtrans and expansoins for additional content at another cost, and someone else says hey, what do I care about that, money isn't an issue for me, well then they can dismiss it.
I've been fans of a lot of series, Settlers which is often criticized for being too slow paced, something I actually enjoy, or Civ for randomish combat, again something I don't mind. It's all about how you read what people say and what you take away from it.
This game rocks or this game sucks, or you're an idiot and I am better than all you posts... not useful at all but in the minority in this case.
Then there is the fact that is MMORPG and it is perfectly relevant to talk about the ideals behind microtrans, pricing schemes, development cycles, development times, trends, engines, success, failures, possibilities, lack of end content, etc, etc. And any company without clients is just a sinking ship so yeah, games are made for gamers which means those gamers can not only vote with their wallet but they can discuss games. There are plenty of studies that show that the opinions of fellow gamers (friends and family) , and consumer reviews have a lot of weight in purchasing decisions.
If you like STO, and i am sure you do, then go play it, have fun and be content you think it's value is sound. You're not going to convince the rest of us this, and if you want to post something constructive about what you like about it instead of bitching about what other people are doing, go for it.
Don't be so self-absorbed that you feel the need to silence everyone who disagrees with you.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
I don't see the issue here. those who don't like it say so, vote so and rank so. those who do, vote rank and comment positively. The overall results are what the entire participating community averages at. Isn't that the point of voting and reviewing/discussing a game?
The problem with most of the people posting negative comments is that they either make up things about why the game is bad, or they just come on and say, "This game sucks!" without any explanation or reason.
People have unrealistic views of self-entitlement. They think they should get what they want when they want it, and if they don't they throw a fit like a little child. And those little child-rants are what clogs the forums with baseless accusations and lies and the game. It's like they will say anything to make people hate the game like they do.
I don't see this massive cry-baby fits you're talking about...I see a lot of Folks who don't like the Game and I've seen PLENTY of valid reasons and explanations why...Just because a few people say "This Game Sux! I wants a refund!" certainly does not mean it's the majority of complainers. Nor does it mean it's clogging up anything...Plus, like it or not it's a free world...Why can't they rant if they wish?...Just ignore em if it bothers you that much...
Unrealistic views of self-entitlement huh? Is that not just another way of saying they want something you don't? Look I've been on you side of the fence before in Vanguard and Aoc...And the Fanboi's ALWAYS say it's the vocal minority, or that there are rumors and lies coming from the complainers...I know...I was one of those fanboi's...lol...What I've learned over these years is where there is smoke in an MMO launch there is an uncontrollable blaze of cancellations on the horizon...And it's up to Cryptic right now...Depending on how they address the fact that some Folks flat out don't like the Game this thing will either improve in time or end up a ghost town...
All in all I don't see the big deal...Maybe I'm just jaded right now...I was REALLY looking forward to this Game and I was GREATLY disappointed by it...I wish Cryptic and those who like this Game all the best...But the truth is going to come out regardless...
they really need a 'my precious' emote on this site despite what you fanboys think not everyone has to like a game you are playing, they are allowed to say so and they don't need to write a 50 page essay to do so
And on the flip side, not everyone has to hate the game because it doesn't meet the expectations of some. Voicing an opinion about a game and moving on is normal and expected. Going on a crusade on a forum because a particular game is not right for you is just unhealthy.
That may very well be true...And no question there is some campaigning involved on both sides...But one thing about this Forum, the reason I came here to start with, is if you're on the fence about buying a game you can expect a good healthy debate! Sure some Folks on both sides are going to take it to the extreme...But in the middle there is decent discussion that helps people like me make buying decisions...With experience in this area I can easily recognize that a Game with THIS much negative feedback, and THIS poor of a Rating, may bleed Subs and turn into a blip-on-the-radar nitche Game in short time...Or I could look at the fact that a lot of people like the Game and think it's going to be great in time and assume it's worth a shot...There's always 2 sides, there's always extremes on both sides...That's all...
I'm a Trek fan, and no, they didn't make this game for me, or many of the people who grew up with real Star Trek, and not JJ's Trek 90210.
From what I've seen, most of the "this game sucks" posts list WHY people think it sucks, especially on the official forums. Some are more thought out and expressed than others, true. OP just wants to silence dissent and will not succeed.
OP is correct. Some people feel the need to piss and moan relentlessly when they do not like a game. Discussion is one thing but the constant flaming gets old. My guess is that people really wanted to like this game and when it didnt live up to their expectations feel the need to rant. Get over it, if you dont like STO find a different game. If you preordered and or purchased a lifetime sub then get over that too and think before spending.
One problem as well are the fanbois of a game.. As much as fans hate endless rants of how terrible the game sucks.. Some rants are tired of endless praises of the game as well..
Yes.. you bought a previously owned AMC Pacer, with 245,000 miles for $9,000 and you enjoy it and love it and that is all that matters.. It still doesn't excuse the fact you paid too much for a piece of shit.. IMO..
People voice their displeasure or their love for a game here equally. Your post is useless as you are inviting flaming for one and you obviously fall in the love it category. I personally dont understand why people only want good stuff said as it doesnt help make anything better. Negative is needed and most folks are very straight forward and detailed about their disappointments.
I personally find STO to be fun.There are aspects of the game i dont like also, but people on this site critisize games constantly or doom and gloom them. Many people who post on MMORPG are all about pessimissm with very little positive. Some posters have nothing better to do than to bring others fun or games down around them as they are unhappy with the MMO industry today so they attack any and every game. There is a postive way to voice your displeasure with a game without being venomous of downright evil. If you dont like the way an industry is going vote with your wallet or contact the company and advertisers directly.
I firmly believe the industry needs a swift kick in the ass. I think we should have a national dont login to you mmo day to let our voices be heard.
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All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care. Playing: ESO, WOT, Smite, and Marvel Heroes
OP is correct. Some people feel the need to piss and moan relentlessly when they do not like a game. Discussion is one thing but the constant flaming gets old. My guess is that people really wanted to like this game and when it didnt live up to their expectations feel the need to rant. Get over it, if you dont like STO find a different game. If you preordered and or purchased a lifetime sub then get over that too and think before spending.
OP is not correct..
So did you buy the lifetime sub or just preorder?
Neither.. I played the beta, and as a consumer made the wise decision that this game was not worth money, when I can play the same game in a number of different skins like Last Chaos, Rappels, Perfect World, Kung Fu Land (or what ever it is) for free. An asian grinder is an asian grinder... all of them are free why would I pay for this this one? This one has an instance every 2 seconds.
Even bad games have fans. Just because you enjoy a game doesn't make the game good in general.
The thing is, you don't really find people that enjoy the game saying that the game ROCKZS! but you can find more than plenty of people who do not enjoy the game saying the game SUCKZ!....
You know what I find weird The op was expressing his opinion and some people jump on him. Posting about forums are about posting opinions. HMM hypocricy at its finest. Maybe its late but I never read in his post where forums are about liking the subject.
If you mean "the OP is being hypocritical" then yes, you are right.
The OP is whining about others expressing their opinions. The people pointing out that this is a message board, thus filled with opinions, aren't the ones being hypocritical here.
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this coming from a guy (whom by quickly scanning his post history) was critical of the community and game design of AoC.
Very well said OP. After a while, the ranting becomes boring and static. Granted I agree that everyone is entitled to their opinions, but I really have to laugh at some of the threads. Someone actually wrote that they think if they write and complain on these forums that they are actually doing good because they will convince people not to buy a game, or STO in this case.
I mean come on!!! Are you kidding? Do you actually think anything you write here affects anyone's opinion or decision making. If I want to try it, I'll try it. If I don't FOR MY OWN REASONS and not others, I won't. Don't try to make up peoples minds for them, they have a right to try any game and find out for themselves. They may like it or they may not and just because you don't like a game, doesn't make me wrong if I like it. I didn't say I like STO or don't like, I'm just saying, this is America, and I have the freedom of choice, the choice to make up my own mind.
I've seen some really good and intelligent writing on these forums, and I enjoy all the different points of view, but they have become few and far between. What I see is rant rant rant mostly. It's gotten as old as yesterday's bread. I've even seen the same post repeated over and over again!!! If you have nothing to say, don't repeat yourself, that just makes people ignore you the next time you write a thread.
So, try to keep it fun, intelligent, constructive and keep it coming. As for the ranters and haters, well I think you need to chill and enjoy life. It's short. Have fun and try not to be so hateful or critical, it really is just a game.
And on the flip side, not everyone has to hate the game because it doesn't meet the expectations of some. Voicing an opinion about a game and moving on is normal and expected. Going on a crusade on a forum because a particular game is not right for you is just unhealthy.
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I am going to have to go on assumption that brihtwulf if attempting to troll. A narrow-minded fellow who wants others to read his ranting and stop ranting.
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Cryptic didn't make STO as the project was underway well before Cryptic even received it. And seeing how CO is doing can you really blame people for ranting and raving about it? To them STO is something the fans want to prosper but under the management of Cryptic - the future is bleak for many.
Only time will tell, this is what I said to the CO community when I was a part of it and I am glad I jumped ship when I did.
People are going to have their opinions. Even if people want to go on a crusade against Cryptic, let them. Trying to be "above it all" just brings you down with the people you are voicing against.
Sorry, Bubba. I paid REAL money for this game, money that I had to go to work to get. That entitles me to have an opinion of something I paid for. Whether you like my opinion, agree with my opinion, or do not is of absolutely no factor in this.
If you're not interested in the opinions of others, then I have to ask you why you are even bothering to come to a message forum. Because I can guarantee you that of all the things you might find here, opinions are going to be at the top of the list. And as often as not, the opinions are going to differ from yours, sometimes dramatically.
So you quit being so self-centered.
You know what I find weird The op was expressing his opinion and some people jump on him. Posting about forums are about posting opinions. HMM hypocricy at its finest. Maybe its late but I never read in his post where forums are about liking the subject.
Sure: "But quit being so self-centered and coming on these forums calling the game a "failure" because it's not exactly what YOU want" can look like hes saying you cant post but only on the surface and if you read way to much into it. Sorta like if ones wife says "stop being an @55"; sure I could take that as her trying to control me but only if I take everything way to personal.
Ur right op most of them dont actualy play an mmo or they play one called EvE which is the elitist Flavor of the month...more like flaver of the years. Has been for awhile seeing as the "deep and complex games" hold subs worse than "dumb downed casual games". But thats the mmorpg forums for you, a sea of complaining and arm chairing.
And the the guy who compared makeing a game to a movie. That was silly. The fact you compared a guy telling a grown man how to play pretend to writing code and designing software for a large project means youve never done it. And to be perfectly honest is a rediculous comparison. Plus critics are worthless all they like is indie films that only a few people like..... wait isnt that like.... nm i wont go there.
DragonShark: when did he ever say you cant post ur opinion. He was just posting his opinion on those who complain about the game over and over. You talk about intrest in other people opinions but you care little for his. Reminds me of the saying about a plank and a eye.
Gamers have complained and trashed games since the prehistoric days of UO. Some of you new comers to mmos might think thats impossible since you heard UO is the greatest MMO ever on these forums. But its true even EQ and WoW who are known as huge commercial success also had scores of "this game sucks I coulda done beter". ALL OF THEM EVERY SINGLE ONE. Gamers who post on forums (yes thats right not all gamers post on forums) Complain and say they can do better. Its a union rule.
OP is not correct..
Did you read the OP's post? There have been threads saying basicly STO sucks, and heres why.. thats it. No one made a post saying to the effect of: People who like STO are morons. The OP is basicly saying People who dont like STO suck. He's putting his opinion about how he feels negativley about informed consumers with common sense, and trying to teach us how to act.
And on the flip side, not everyone has to hate the game because it doesn't meet the expectations of some. Voicing an opinion about a game and moving on is normal and expected. Going on a crusade on a forum because a particular game is not right for you is just unhealthy.
and on the flip side voicing your opinion about a game and moving on is normaland expected. Going on a crusade on a forum because a particular game is JUST RIGHT for you is just unhealthy.
This game sucks! xD
I find the negative reviews of most games to be the most useful, especially the long ones. We're not talking scores here. Most people on this forum state the reasons why they are unhappy, disappointed, or sometimes just angry (as in those who actually bit the bullet and paid). If i list as one of the reasons I don't like STO it's heavy reliance on instances and pretty much complete lack of open world content, and someone else's response to that is oh instances, I don't mind that at all, well then they can obviously dismiss that. If I say I am not willing to fork a subscription fee that only buys me bug fixes and patches while the company throws out microtrans and expansoins for additional content at another cost, and someone else says hey, what do I care about that, money isn't an issue for me, well then they can dismiss it.
I've been fans of a lot of series, Settlers which is often criticized for being too slow paced, something I actually enjoy, or Civ for randomish combat, again something I don't mind. It's all about how you read what people say and what you take away from it.
This game rocks or this game sucks, or you're an idiot and I am better than all you posts... not useful at all but in the minority in this case.
Then there is the fact that is MMORPG and it is perfectly relevant to talk about the ideals behind microtrans, pricing schemes, development cycles, development times, trends, engines, success, failures, possibilities, lack of end content, etc, etc. And any company without clients is just a sinking ship so yeah, games are made for gamers which means those gamers can not only vote with their wallet but they can discuss games. There are plenty of studies that show that the opinions of fellow gamers (friends and family) , and consumer reviews have a lot of weight in purchasing decisions.
If you like STO, and i am sure you do, then go play it, have fun and be content you think it's value is sound. You're not going to convince the rest of us this, and if you want to post something constructive about what you like about it instead of bitching about what other people are doing, go for it.
Don't be so self-absorbed that you feel the need to silence everyone who disagrees with you.
parrotpholk-Because we all know the miracle patch fairy shows up the night before release and sprinkles magic dust on the server to make it allllll better.
The problem with most of the people posting negative comments is that they either make up things about why the game is bad, or they just come on and say, "This game sucks!" without any explanation or reason.
People have unrealistic views of self-entitlement. They think they should get what they want when they want it, and if they don't they throw a fit like a little child. And those little child-rants are what clogs the forums with baseless accusations and lies and the game. It's like they will say anything to make people hate the game like they do.
I don't see this massive cry-baby fits you're talking about...I see a lot of Folks who don't like the Game and I've seen PLENTY of valid reasons and explanations why...Just because a few people say "This Game Sux! I wants a refund!" certainly does not mean it's the majority of complainers. Nor does it mean it's clogging up anything...Plus, like it or not it's a free world...Why can't they rant if they wish?...Just ignore em if it bothers you that much...
Unrealistic views of self-entitlement huh? Is that not just another way of saying they want something you don't? Look I've been on you side of the fence before in Vanguard and Aoc...And the Fanboi's ALWAYS say it's the vocal minority, or that there are rumors and lies coming from the complainers...I know...I was one of those fanboi's...lol...What I've learned over these years is where there is smoke in an MMO launch there is an uncontrollable blaze of cancellations on the horizon...And it's up to Cryptic right now...Depending on how they address the fact that some Folks flat out don't like the Game this thing will either improve in time or end up a ghost town...
All in all I don't see the big deal...Maybe I'm just jaded right now...I was REALLY looking forward to this Game and I was GREATLY disappointed by it...I wish Cryptic and those who like this Game all the best...But the truth is going to come out regardless...
And on the flip side, not everyone has to hate the game because it doesn't meet the expectations of some. Voicing an opinion about a game and moving on is normal and expected. Going on a crusade on a forum because a particular game is not right for you is just unhealthy.
That may very well be true...And no question there is some campaigning involved on both sides...But one thing about this Forum, the reason I came here to start with, is if you're on the fence about buying a game you can expect a good healthy debate! Sure some Folks on both sides are going to take it to the extreme...But in the middle there is decent discussion that helps people like me make buying decisions...With experience in this area I can easily recognize that a Game with THIS much negative feedback, and THIS poor of a Rating, may bleed Subs and turn into a blip-on-the-radar nitche Game in short time...Or I could look at the fact that a lot of people like the Game and think it's going to be great in time and assume it's worth a shot...There's always 2 sides, there's always extremes on both sides...That's all...
I'm a Trek fan, and no, they didn't make this game for me, or many of the people who grew up with real Star Trek, and not JJ's Trek 90210.
From what I've seen, most of the "this game sucks" posts list WHY people think it sucks, especially on the official forums. Some are more thought out and expressed than others, true. OP just wants to silence dissent and will not succeed.
OP is not correct..
So did you buy the lifetime sub or just preorder?
One problem as well are the fanbois of a game.. As much as fans hate endless rants of how terrible the game sucks.. Some rants are tired of endless praises of the game as well..
Yes.. you bought a previously owned AMC Pacer, with 245,000 miles for $9,000 and you enjoy it and love it and that is all that matters.. It still doesn't excuse the fact you paid too much for a piece of shit.. IMO..
Sorry OP, but it doesn't change the fact this game is an appauling excuse for an MMORPG and a travesty for the Star Trek IP.
Totally, 100% agree...
I personally find STO to be fun.There are aspects of the game i dont like also, but people on this site critisize games constantly or doom and gloom them. Many people who post on MMORPG are all about pessimissm with very little positive. Some posters have nothing better to do than to bring others fun or games down around them as they are unhappy with the MMO industry today so they attack any and every game. There is a postive way to voice your displeasure with a game without being venomous of downright evil. If you dont like the way an industry is going vote with your wallet or contact the company and advertisers directly.
I firmly believe the industry needs a swift kick in the ass. I think we should have a national dont login to you mmo day to let our voices be heard.
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All my opinions are just that..opinions. If you like my opinions..coolness.If you dont like my opinion....I really dont care.
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OP is not correct..
So did you buy the lifetime sub or just preorder?
Neither.. I played the beta, and as a consumer made the wise decision that this game was not worth money, when I can play the same game in a number of different skins like Last Chaos, Rappels, Perfect World, Kung Fu Land (or what ever it is) for free. An asian grinder is an asian grinder... all of them are free why would I pay for this this one? This one has an instance every 2 seconds.
I hate how people say this is a bad game, it's not that it's a bad game, it's just not their slice of pie...
"The question that sometimes drives me hazy: Am I, or the others crazy?" - Albert Einstein
Even bad games have fans. Just because you enjoy a game doesn't make the game good in general.
The thing is, you don't really find people that enjoy the game saying that the game ROCKZS! but you can find more than plenty of people who do not enjoy the game saying the game SUCKZ!....
If you mean "the OP is being hypocritical" then yes, you are right.
The OP is whining about others expressing their opinions. The people pointing out that this is a message board, thus filled with opinions, aren't the ones being hypocritical here.