It's much more personal than just a ladder system and winning a contest for a free vid card.
While I think the Alliance tourney in Eve is great comparing it to sov warfare is like comparing the level of importance of a superbowl to a world war. no contest.
I fail to understand how losing in a tournament is less personal than losing in an ingame war? I expect it has something to do with one's values.
And it is not about "importance", it's about "fun" and I could go on and make a statement like "was WWI or WWII more fun than superbowl?" but I won't do that since that is not what you meant.
Played Eve? Ever work toward a common goal with people invest months if not years into something to have it taken.
Its like having your house go on fire.
When you lose a tourney you didnt win a prize, you don't really lose anything, you just failed to gain anything.
Eve puts you on edge and that makes it fun. Its hard to explain. It's like people that watch horror movies, it scares the shit out of them but its the thrill of being afraid that makes them keep watching.
Same with Eve its the fact that I could lose everything and make someone else lose everything that makes it fun.
Once you experience something like that playing a game like WoW maybe fun but the whole respawning 30 seconds later gets old fast and you miss that fear you got from Eve.
I imagine he is trying to compare EVE to war in that if you lose, you lose your ship as well. Although I don't think it's a valid comparison (ie you can insure yourself and the ship in EVE, or you can just start the game over). You would really have to lose everything, such as never be able to play the game again, if you want to make that comparison. I know it's a silly comparison, just bugs me when make that comparison (I get the same irritated feeling when athletes compare themselves to soldiers).
A ship loss is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
Lose billions of isk of Blueprints, all your stations, your home. Something that you invested in with other people for months if not years.
A 20 mill to 2 billion isk ship loss is nothing in comparison.
I imagine he is trying to compare EVE to war in that if you lose, you lose your ship as well. Although I don't think it's a valid comparison (ie you can insure yourself and the ship in EVE, or you can just start the game over). You would really have to lose everything, such as never be able to play the game again, if you want to make that comparison. I know it's a silly comparison, just bugs me when make that comparison (I get the same irritated feeling when athletes compare themselves to soldiers).
A ship loss is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
Lose billions of isk of Blueprints, all your stations, your home. Something that you invested in with other people for months if not years.
A 20 mill to 2 billion isk ship loss is nothing in comparison.
I don't expect everyone to understand.
Addition: Well lets looks at the old BoB pilots shall we. I'm sure a good number of those guys feel like they will never play the game the same again.
A somewhat funny statement considering the quote you have under your name.
Either way, losses in EVE are generally just lost time. No other real investments are lost.
It's not fair to compare losses in a game with that of losing ones house. Ask anyone who lost a house to a fire.
Played Eve? Ever work toward a common goal with people invest months if not years into something to have it taken.
Its like having your house go on fire.
When you lose a tourney you didnt win a prize, you don't really lose anything, you just failed to gain anything.
Eve puts you on edge and that makes it fun. Its hard to explain. It's like people that watch horror movies, it scares the shit out of them but its the thrill of being afraid that makes them keep watching.
Same with Eve its the fact that I could lose everything and make someone else lose everything that makes it fun.
Once you experience something like that playing a game like WoW maybe fun but the whole respawning 30 seconds later gets old fast and you miss that fear you got from Eve.
Oh please... One loses in the olympics and "he/she just failed to get gold". That is just silly. Think it this way: I didn't win - I lost 100k in real life money. That smarts, man.
Yes I have played Eve and know of what you speak of. -All the working together towards a common goal, losing something you have worked for and all that jazz.
Is the invitation to a tournament or the effort behind it anything less? I was in GWWC and I can tell you, losing there hurts.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
I imagine he is trying to compare EVE to war in that if you lose, you lose your ship as well. Although I don't think it's a valid comparison (ie you can insure yourself and the ship in EVE, or you can just start the game over). You would really have to lose everything, such as never be able to play the game again, if you want to make that comparison. I know it's a silly comparison, just bugs me when make that comparison (I get the same irritated feeling when athletes compare themselves to soldiers).
A ship loss is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
Lose billions of isk of Blueprints, all your stations, your home. Something that you invested in with other people for months if not years.
A 20 mill to 2 billion isk ship loss is nothing in comparison.
I don't expect everyone to understand.
Addition: Well lets looks at the old BoB pilots shall we. I'm sure a good number of those guys feel like they will never play the game the same again.
A somewhat funny statement considering the quote you have under your name.
Either way, losses in EVE are generally just lost time. No other real investments are lost.
It's not fair to compare losses in a game with that of losing ones house. Ask anyone who lost a house to a fire.
Eve is life!
LOL i'm not gonna go back and forth with you guys, clearly you don't like Eve and would rather a more quick fix, less stressful pvp experience.
Who said we didn't like EVE? I already stated what type of pvp I prefer but I never did put down EVE's pvp. The only thing I get irritated by is people who try say that their opinion is superior when it is purely subjective.
Played Eve? Ever work toward a common goal with people invest months if not years into something to have it taken.
Its like having your house go on fire.
When you lose a tourney you didnt win a prize, you don't really lose anything, you just failed to gain anything.
Eve puts you on edge and that makes it fun. Its hard to explain. It's like people that watch horror movies, it scares the shit out of them but its the thrill of being afraid that makes them keep watching.
Same with Eve its the fact that I could lose everything and make someone else lose everything that makes it fun.
Once you experience something like that playing a game like WoW maybe fun but the whole respawning 30 seconds later gets old fast and you miss that fear you got from Eve.
Oh please... One loses in the olympics and "he/she just failed to get gold". That is just silly. Think it this way: I didn't win - I lost 100k in real life money. That smarts, man.
Yes I have played Eve and know of what you speak of. -All the working together towards a common goal, losing something you have worked for and all that jazz.
Is the invitation to a tournament or the effort behind it anything less? I was in GWWC and I can tell you, losing there hurts.
Maybe i've played WoW and GW wrong. I've been in a half decent 5v5 (1800+) arena team and a decent guild in GW. I have never had anything feel as fucked up as losing my entire alliance,assets, space in those games.
Played Eve? Ever work toward a common goal with people invest months if not years into something to have it taken.
Its like having your house go on fire.
When you lose a tourney you didnt win a prize, you don't really lose anything, you just failed to gain anything.
Eve puts you on edge and that makes it fun. Its hard to explain. It's like people that watch horror movies, it scares the shit out of them but its the thrill of being afraid that makes them keep watching.
Same with Eve its the fact that I could lose everything and make someone else lose everything that makes it fun.
Once you experience something like that playing a game like WoW maybe fun but the whole respawning 30 seconds later gets old fast and you miss that fear you got from Eve.
Oh please... One loses in the olympics and "he/she just failed to get gold". That is just silly. Think it this way: I didn't win - I lost 100k in real life money. That smarts, man.
Yes I have played Eve and know of what you speak of. -All the working together towards a common goal, losing something you have worked for and all that jazz.
Is the invitation to a tournament or the effort behind it anything less? I was in GWWC and I can tell you, losing there hurts.
Maybe i've played WoW and GW wrong. I've been in a half decent 5v5 (1800+) arena team and a decent guild in GW. I have never had anything feel as fucked up as losing my entire alliance,assets, space in those games.
Anyway, Enough is enough. Eve isn't for everyone.
Thats part of the fun of EVE. The real loss associated with death and destruction.
GW and WoW have no loss associated with losing a fight.
EVE is designed to immerse you and involve you deeply into the game. The more you put in the more you get out.
Losses in EVE would be akin to losing your bank, gear, acheivements and reputation in WoW. Not for everyone is spot on.
Played Eve? Ever work toward a common goal with people invest months if not years into something to have it taken.
Its like having your house go on fire.
When you lose a tourney you didnt win a prize, you don't really lose anything, you just failed to gain anything.
Eve puts you on edge and that makes it fun. Its hard to explain. It's like people that watch horror movies, it scares the shit out of them but its the thrill of being afraid that makes them keep watching.
Same with Eve its the fact that I could lose everything and make someone else lose everything that makes it fun.
Once you experience something like that playing a game like WoW maybe fun but the whole respawning 30 seconds later gets old fast and you miss that fear you got from Eve.
Oh please... One loses in the olympics and "he/she just failed to get gold". That is just silly. Think it this way: I didn't win - I lost 100k in real life money. That smarts, man.
Yes I have played Eve and know of what you speak of. -All the working together towards a common goal, losing something you have worked for and all that jazz.
Is the invitation to a tournament or the effort behind it anything less? I was in GWWC and I can tell you, losing there hurts.
Maybe i've played WoW and GW wrong. I've been in a half decent 5v5 (1800+) arena team and a decent guild in GW. I have never had anything feel as fucked up as losing my entire alliance,assets, space in those games.
Anyway, Enough is enough. Eve isn't for everyone.
Thats part of the fun of EVE. The real loss associated with death and destruction.
GW and WoW have no loss associated with losing a fight.
EVE is designed to immerse you and involve you deeply into the game. The more you put in the more you get out.
Losses in EVE would be akin to losing your bank, gear, acheivements and reputation in WoW. Not for everyone is spot on.
I wish I had the time to get back into EVE.
For me once I played a game like Eve that in your own words "Is designed to immerse you deeply into the game" I found it extremely difficult to take other games pvp seriously.
After Eve I found all other pvp games that didn't have that risk as just a tact on feature that wasn't taken seriously by its developer.
With that said I still played WoW and GW for other reasons.
To answer the op Eve > WoW strictly speaking of pvp.
Who said we didn't like EVE? I already stated what type of pvp I prefer but I never did put down EVE's pvp. The only thing I get irritated by is people who try say that their opinion is superior when it is purely subjective.
Very annoying indeed.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
Who said we didn't like EVE? I already stated what type of pvp I prefer but I never did put down EVE's pvp. The only thing I get irritated by is people who try say that their opinion is superior when it is purely subjective.
Very annoying indeed.
You fall into this category also, much like 99% of this forums community.
I prefer WoW's pvp while its not great it sure beats EVE's pvp. See I do like the looting and the danger and consequences no complaining there at all. However It seems like the outcome of the fight is predetermend by the setup and ship you bring to the fight. That and I do not like the combat part itself. I find it dull and simplistic.
Before someone replies with "wow's outcome of the fight is determined by your gear" I agree and it seems many people do not want such things to be the decisive factor, but the skill of the player itself.
Who said we didn't like EVE? I already stated what type of pvp I prefer but I never did put down EVE's pvp. The only thing I get irritated by is people who try say that their opinion is superior when it is purely subjective.
Very annoying indeed.
You fall into this category also, much like 99% of this forums community.
Point to me the part where I consider my opinion superior to yours. Have you not seen how I am trying to get you to see that your opinion might not be "the truth". That is all I am trying to do. I am not trying to convert you or anything. I am simply trying to open you eyes to the idea that your opinion is subjective. And every opinion is equally valid with proper arguments.
You stated that what one might have felt when he/she lost in the olympics, in a game tournament or anything similar is LESS than what you yourself felt when you lost something in Eve. Please correct me if I understood you incorrectly! The above statement is simply idiotic and goes to saying that you see things only from your own perspective.
I've tried to treat you with respect. You either do not understand or you're a troll. In any case, you do not deserve my respect.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been-Wayne Gretzky
The thing I didn't like about EVE is it feels like having another day job just to afford PVP in a decent ship.
I am not a fan of constant forced cash making just to do what I want. FULL loss would be good if ships were not so expensive. After 3 years I would still PVP in ships I could fly in 3 months because I just didn't have the time for the EVE day job PVP fund.
Full loss also seems to draw the sadists. People who just get off on ruining someones day. Not just defeating them in battle.
The other HUGE flaw EVE has is CCP lets players go WAY too far with scams, and underhanded politics.
No way should 1 person have the ability to disband a alliance of thousands like what happened to bob. No way should people have the ability to rip someone off by scamming and lying to them with no in game court system (concord just blows someone up if they shoot you).
I wouldn't even join a corp in EVE later on because of all the scams. It's just not fun. If I want to get ripped off, there are plenty ways to do it in real life already.
If there was a in game court system this might be more acceptable.
As far as WoW, it's just too kiddie cartoony for me to ever pick up. I just can't stand the graphic style.
I played WoW and Guild Wars for a few years. Two months ago I decided to give the famous EVE Online a try. Sadly I found out that this perfect game is not for me. I have three causes for that. Zero cause (won't count it as first) is that I don't like the space. Not counting gas clouds and sun, it's almost always the black DARKNESS that you see on your display and I kinda miss the blue sky, green grass, emerald water and mountain peaks on the horizon. And also you are your ship - you can change it, but you can't walk out of it, EVER. First cause is full drop and part loot system. When you lose a fight in EVE, you lose your ship, all modules fitted and sometimes your body with costly implants. When you win, you get part of the modules and cargo which was not destroyed. Only the best and long-time players could survive by PvP only, as more often than not your ship destruction will cost much more than you looted from previous victories. For majority of players who win as often as lose, PvP is a huge money sink. This leads us to the moment where people who wants to PvP are forced to waste a solid amount of time (usually more than 50% of playtime) on PvE activities to make money for their ships. I found these PvE activities like mission/plex running, ratting, mining and some others too boring to enjoy them. Second cause is the rarity of a fight. Space is huge with its thousands of systems. Most of his time a PvP player will spend not to fighting, but to scouting, trying to find out systems with good targets (not an easy thing in alliance part of null-sec) or target's location in a system. Even if there is a target the fight might not happen, if you consider it too strong or the target is aware and consider you stronger. Third cause is the speed of a fight. After you spent a couple of hours roaming or camping at gate looking for a good target, when you succeeded at last the fight can be extremely fast - half a minute or even less for hours of search. Well, for someone these 30 seconds are the heart of EVE, but for me its just a too small cake for such a big queue at the store. When I look back on what WoW and Guild Wars give me for PvP I found that it is: - a non-stop progress without any losses
- absence of need to spend time on PvE to PvP (except leveling in WoW)
- the fight is right here and I am right in it 30 seconds after login (on BGs or arenas)
- the fight is going non-stop and last long for minutes or even hours, where I can have hundreds of kills and deaths and still progress and enjoy
- finally it's so good to be in a living body and enjoy the colors of the planet world. So this is why I have said good-bye to EVE, which is a great game, but not for me. You think different?
Eve is more for the "realism" effect.
A lot of people enjoy feeling like they're an entity in space and every moment anything could happen.
It's a completely player driven game, which I love.
Playing: *sigh* back to WoW -------- Waiting for: SW:TOR, APB, WoD --------- Played and loved: Eve and WoW -------- Played and hated: WoW:WotLK, Warhammer, every single F2P
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I fail to understand how losing in a tournament is less personal than losing in an ingame war? I expect it has something to do with one's values.
And it is not about "importance", it's about "fun" and I could go on and make a statement like "was WWI or WWII more fun than superbowl?" but I won't do that since that is not what you meant.
Played Eve? Ever work toward a common goal with people invest months if not years into something to have it taken.
Its like having your house go on fire.
When you lose a tourney you didnt win a prize, you don't really lose anything, you just failed to gain anything.
Eve puts you on edge and that makes it fun. Its hard to explain. It's like people that watch horror movies, it scares the shit out of them but its the thrill of being afraid that makes them keep watching.
Same with Eve its the fact that I could lose everything and make someone else lose everything that makes it fun.
Once you experience something like that playing a game like WoW maybe fun but the whole respawning 30 seconds later gets old fast and you miss that fear you got from Eve.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
A ship loss is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
Lose billions of isk of Blueprints, all your stations, your home. Something that you invested in with other people for months if not years.
A 20 mill to 2 billion isk ship loss is nothing in comparison.
I don't expect everyone to understand.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
A ship loss is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
Lose billions of isk of Blueprints, all your stations, your home. Something that you invested in with other people for months if not years.
A 20 mill to 2 billion isk ship loss is nothing in comparison.
I don't expect everyone to understand.
Addition: Well lets looks at the old BoB pilots shall we. I'm sure a good number of those guys feel like they will never play the game the same again.
A somewhat funny statement considering the quote you have under your name.
Either way, losses in EVE are generally just lost time. No other real investments are lost.
It's not fair to compare losses in a game with that of losing ones house. Ask anyone who lost a house to a fire.
Played Eve? Ever work toward a common goal with people invest months if not years into something to have it taken.
Its like having your house go on fire.
When you lose a tourney you didnt win a prize, you don't really lose anything, you just failed to gain anything.
Eve puts you on edge and that makes it fun. Its hard to explain. It's like people that watch horror movies, it scares the shit out of them but its the thrill of being afraid that makes them keep watching.
Same with Eve its the fact that I could lose everything and make someone else lose everything that makes it fun.
Once you experience something like that playing a game like WoW maybe fun but the whole respawning 30 seconds later gets old fast and you miss that fear you got from Eve.
Oh please... One loses in the olympics and "he/she just failed to get gold". That is just silly. Think it this way: I didn't win - I lost 100k in real life money. That smarts, man.
Yes I have played Eve and know of what you speak of. -All the working together towards a common goal, losing something you have worked for and all that jazz.
Is the invitation to a tournament or the effort behind it anything less? I was in GWWC and I can tell you, losing there hurts.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
A ship loss is meaningless in the grand scheme of things.
Lose billions of isk of Blueprints, all your stations, your home. Something that you invested in with other people for months if not years.
A 20 mill to 2 billion isk ship loss is nothing in comparison.
I don't expect everyone to understand.
Addition: Well lets looks at the old BoB pilots shall we. I'm sure a good number of those guys feel like they will never play the game the same again.
A somewhat funny statement considering the quote you have under your name.
Either way, losses in EVE are generally just lost time. No other real investments are lost.
It's not fair to compare losses in a game with that of losing ones house. Ask anyone who lost a house to a fire.
Eve is life!
LOL i'm not gonna go back and forth with you guys, clearly you don't like Eve and would rather a more quick fix, less stressful pvp experience.
To each his/her own.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
Who said we didn't like EVE? I already stated what type of pvp I prefer but I never did put down EVE's pvp. The only thing I get irritated by is people who try say that their opinion is superior when it is purely subjective.
Played Eve? Ever work toward a common goal with people invest months if not years into something to have it taken.
Its like having your house go on fire.
When you lose a tourney you didnt win a prize, you don't really lose anything, you just failed to gain anything.
Eve puts you on edge and that makes it fun. Its hard to explain. It's like people that watch horror movies, it scares the shit out of them but its the thrill of being afraid that makes them keep watching.
Same with Eve its the fact that I could lose everything and make someone else lose everything that makes it fun.
Once you experience something like that playing a game like WoW maybe fun but the whole respawning 30 seconds later gets old fast and you miss that fear you got from Eve.
Oh please... One loses in the olympics and "he/she just failed to get gold". That is just silly. Think it this way: I didn't win - I lost 100k in real life money. That smarts, man.
Yes I have played Eve and know of what you speak of. -All the working together towards a common goal, losing something you have worked for and all that jazz.
Is the invitation to a tournament or the effort behind it anything less? I was in GWWC and I can tell you, losing there hurts.
Maybe i've played WoW and GW wrong. I've been in a half decent 5v5 (1800+) arena team and a decent guild in GW. I have never had anything feel as fucked up as losing my entire alliance,assets, space in those games.
Anyway, Enough is enough. Eve isn't for everyone.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
"Eve players are smarter than rest of the MMO players."
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Played Eve? Ever work toward a common goal with people invest months if not years into something to have it taken.
Its like having your house go on fire.
When you lose a tourney you didnt win a prize, you don't really lose anything, you just failed to gain anything.
Eve puts you on edge and that makes it fun. Its hard to explain. It's like people that watch horror movies, it scares the shit out of them but its the thrill of being afraid that makes them keep watching.
Same with Eve its the fact that I could lose everything and make someone else lose everything that makes it fun.
Once you experience something like that playing a game like WoW maybe fun but the whole respawning 30 seconds later gets old fast and you miss that fear you got from Eve.
Oh please... One loses in the olympics and "he/she just failed to get gold". That is just silly. Think it this way: I didn't win - I lost 100k in real life money. That smarts, man.
Yes I have played Eve and know of what you speak of. -All the working together towards a common goal, losing something you have worked for and all that jazz.
Is the invitation to a tournament or the effort behind it anything less? I was in GWWC and I can tell you, losing there hurts.
Maybe i've played WoW and GW wrong. I've been in a half decent 5v5 (1800+) arena team and a decent guild in GW. I have never had anything feel as fucked up as losing my entire alliance,assets, space in those games.
Anyway, Enough is enough. Eve isn't for everyone.
Thats part of the fun of EVE. The real loss associated with death and destruction.
GW and WoW have no loss associated with losing a fight.
EVE is designed to immerse you and involve you deeply into the game. The more you put in the more you get out.
Losses in EVE would be akin to losing your bank, gear, acheivements and reputation in WoW. Not for everyone is spot on.
I wish I had the time to get back into EVE.
Played Eve? Ever work toward a common goal with people invest months if not years into something to have it taken.
Its like having your house go on fire.
When you lose a tourney you didnt win a prize, you don't really lose anything, you just failed to gain anything.
Eve puts you on edge and that makes it fun. Its hard to explain. It's like people that watch horror movies, it scares the shit out of them but its the thrill of being afraid that makes them keep watching.
Same with Eve its the fact that I could lose everything and make someone else lose everything that makes it fun.
Once you experience something like that playing a game like WoW maybe fun but the whole respawning 30 seconds later gets old fast and you miss that fear you got from Eve.
Oh please... One loses in the olympics and "he/she just failed to get gold". That is just silly. Think it this way: I didn't win - I lost 100k in real life money. That smarts, man.
Yes I have played Eve and know of what you speak of. -All the working together towards a common goal, losing something you have worked for and all that jazz.
Is the invitation to a tournament or the effort behind it anything less? I was in GWWC and I can tell you, losing there hurts.
Maybe i've played WoW and GW wrong. I've been in a half decent 5v5 (1800+) arena team and a decent guild in GW. I have never had anything feel as fucked up as losing my entire alliance,assets, space in those games.
Anyway, Enough is enough. Eve isn't for everyone.
Thats part of the fun of EVE. The real loss associated with death and destruction.
GW and WoW have no loss associated with losing a fight.
EVE is designed to immerse you and involve you deeply into the game. The more you put in the more you get out.
Losses in EVE would be akin to losing your bank, gear, acheivements and reputation in WoW. Not for everyone is spot on.
I wish I had the time to get back into EVE.
For me once I played a game like Eve that in your own words "Is designed to immerse you deeply into the game" I found it extremely difficult to take other games pvp seriously.
After Eve I found all other pvp games that didn't have that risk as just a tact on feature that wasn't taken seriously by its developer.
With that said I still played WoW and GW for other reasons.
To answer the op Eve > WoW strictly speaking of pvp.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
Very annoying indeed.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
Very annoying indeed.
You fall into this category also, much like 99% of this forums community.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
I prefer WoW's pvp while its not great it sure beats EVE's pvp. See I do like the looting and the danger and consequences no complaining there at all. However It seems like the outcome of the fight is predetermend by the setup and ship you bring to the fight. That and I do not like the combat part itself. I find it dull and simplistic.
Before someone replies with "wow's outcome of the fight is determined by your gear" I agree and it seems many people do not want such things to be the decisive factor, but the skill of the player itself.
EVE is for grownups. No comparison....
Very annoying indeed.
You fall into this category also, much like 99% of this forums community.
Point to me the part where I consider my opinion superior to yours. Have you not seen how I am trying to get you to see that your opinion might not be "the truth". That is all I am trying to do. I am not trying to convert you or anything. I am simply trying to open you eyes to the idea that your opinion is subjective. And every opinion is equally valid with proper arguments.
You stated that what one might have felt when he/she lost in the olympics, in a game tournament or anything similar is LESS than what you yourself felt when you lost something in Eve. Please correct me if I understood you incorrectly! The above statement is simply idiotic and goes to saying that you see things only from your own perspective.
I've tried to treat you with respect. You either do not understand or you're a troll. In any case, you do not deserve my respect.
I skate to where the puck is going to be, not where it has been -Wayne Gretzky
The thing I didn't like about EVE is it feels like having another day job just to afford PVP in a decent ship.
I am not a fan of constant forced cash making just to do what I want. FULL loss would be good if ships were not so expensive. After 3 years I would still PVP in ships I could fly in 3 months because I just didn't have the time for the EVE day job PVP fund.
Full loss also seems to draw the sadists. People who just get off on ruining someones day. Not just defeating them in battle.
The other HUGE flaw EVE has is CCP lets players go WAY too far with scams, and underhanded politics.
No way should 1 person have the ability to disband a alliance of thousands like what happened to bob. No way should people have the ability to rip someone off by scamming and lying to them with no in game court system (concord just blows someone up if they shoot you).
I wouldn't even join a corp in EVE later on because of all the scams. It's just not fun. If I want to get ripped off, there are plenty ways to do it in real life already.
If there was a in game court system this might be more acceptable.
As far as WoW, it's just too kiddie cartoony for me to ever pick up. I just can't stand the graphic style.
Eve is more for the "realism" effect.
A lot of people enjoy feeling like they're an entity in space and every moment anything could happen.
It's a completely player driven game, which I love.
Playing: *sigh* back to WoW
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Waiting for: SW:TOR, APB, WoD
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Played and loved: Eve and WoW
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Played and hated: WoW:WotLK, Warhammer, every single F2P