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stop pushing for higher system requirements
amappala
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Pls stop pushing mmorpg developers for better graphics.
One of the major reason I chose WoW against EQ2 is that my video card performce on EQ2 is choppy.
I rather play good mmorpg with good enough system.
I am posting this too to make developers see that requiring prospective customer frequent expensive computer upgrade is not good for profit. There is a monetary limit most customer will shell out to play the games they develop.
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uh..you can play EQII with a graphics card manufactured over 3 years ago (mx)
it's not "higher" requirments..
things just look better
and we all want things to look better
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well actually, my computer specs are like around a 2.4 GHz computer..
I think that should be enough for me for a while.. Sadly, newer and newer games keeps pushing the system specs higher.
And so anyways, I play the old skool mmo like Jumpate.
Well, from what i can gather from this monstrosity of the english language, i have two things to say...
1) I doubt there are any devs from the big companies that even come to these boards, and if there is the very rare one i doubt they even care
2) "expensive computer upgrade is not good for profit"
Looks to me like EQ2 had no problem selling, or Doom 3, and i doubt Half-life 2 will.
Only thing been pushed is the graphics card and to a lesser extent the RAM.Processors are hardly a problem for gaming as long as it is somethin reasonable eg any type of p4 or athlon.
You can slot a 6800ultra with a althon duron 1ghz and it will work fine.Granted there will be a bottleneck but it will work way better then a p4 3.4ghz with a fx5200 in a game.
Problem is when people buy a new computer they spent a fortune buying the most powerful processor in the market and then buy some real low Gcard then moan the games do badly.
As for mmorpg pushing it well its all over the place not just mmorpg.Heard of half life 2 and doom 3?
Also most mmorpg give u the option to fine tune your setting so if you have a low Gcard simply set the game to lowest setting thats it and play happy.When you feel ready to upgrade then do so.
There are plenty of new MMORPGs coming out that you can run on a crappy computer. Check the "free MMOs" thread.
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"There is no reason anyone would want a computer in their home."
-- Ken Olson, chairman of Digital Equipment Corp, 1977
Yep, lots of MMOGs around for people who have PC appetites and console budgets...
I doubt there are any devs from the big companies that even come to these boards, and if there is the very rare one i doubt they even care
yeah, they should though. It's not like 10,000+ members of the mmorpg community matter or anything...
come play freeworld
and, Draconus, my question still remains - how's your title "Freeworld Admin" yet when I reply to one of your posts, your title changes to "Elite Member" in the reply screen or whatever name you want to attach to it..
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Unfortunately for us with little cash, progression is always going to happen. Geforce 1 becomes Geforce 2 becomes Geforce 3 and so on. Its just the way of technology. I wonder if sometime in the future it'll hit a ceiling and not be able to advance as quickly. Hmm.
Personally, despite being able to keep up to date with upgrades (still got 512Mb RAM and a Geforce 4), I welcome the updates in technology. I mean, if we didn't have some company pushing the limit, then we'd still be sitting at home with huge consoles playing PacMan and Space Invaders.
yup.
You should have seen how upset I was when I bought red alert and realized they wanted 32 megs of RAM!!! 32!!
Needless to say, my whole college floor was upset because we all wanted to play it.
Hehe, morale of the story: software will always increase their system requirements. It's been like that since 1972. Sad for us, I know...but thank God computers are cheap now
People who have to create conspiracy and hate threads to further a cause lacks in intellectual comprehension of diversity.
It's a marketting thing. SOE could of made the requirements lower, and believe me, the customization of the graphics in EQ2 are great... so great you can make the game look hella ugly and pixelated I'm sure this game could run on a P3.
I mean come on. you're complaning that games are requiring high specs. I don't see you complaning that Doom 3 or Halflife 2 will be too powerful for your PC. So what's the difference?
Games evolve. Let's forget about the whole marketting thing where Intel, NVidia or ATI pay companies to make games have high requirements so they can sell more processors and video cards. Games on PC have been like this for years and never changed.
if you had a 286 and you wanted to play Doom 1, people whinned they had to buy a brand new 486 to play it. But they just did. When people had a Pentium 133mhz and wanted to play Quake 2, they whinned they had to buy a new Pentium 3 450mhz to play it. But they just did.
Today if you're still stuck with a slow PC and you wanna play the latest games, well though luck, but you gotta buy a new PC.
And MMORPGs are definatly not the kind of games you should be complaining about. there's tones of great old MMORPGs that don't need an UBER PC to run. Take Dark Age of Camelot, great game, low spec requirements, sure the graphics will be ugly, but hey, your PC sucks... live with it.
I paid for an UBER PC, I want UBER graphics, and since companies are too lazy (or think it's a waste of money) to make low-res textures and high-res textures or program the game to do less calculations so a Pentium 3 can run their game, it will just never happen.
besides, I come back to my first fact that computer part companies pay gaming companies to make their games require new technology. And that will never change. yes they are greedy, but so is any company in the world.
Send an email to the President of SOE to make games require lower specs, he'll just light up a cuban cigar, laugh at your email, then go out and play Golf with Bill Gates.
Life sucks I know, but hey, get a job, buy a new PC, and life is good.
I'm happy with my AMD 2600+, 1 gig of RAM and Geforce FX 5900.
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What do you mean stop pushing for higher system requirements??? Man this is called DEVELOPMENT and you can't stop the humans from making better things, more powerful things, more useful things.
Don't take me wrong but trying to suppress the develepment, you would suppress also our success to survive. Do you want to stop engineers trying to find fuel alternative saying why do we need it if we have enough oil for the next 50-100 years??? or Would you suppress doctors trying to find cancer treatment saying that people are used to die suffering from this disease?
Think before you post something cause with this type of posts you can win the popularity but loose your dignity
Probably just me, but i like 2d better than 3d. Recently, 3d figures have seemed more and more like lifeless puppets and action figures. 2d on the other hand, with the hand-drawn look and generally better art style just seems nicer for me. Who needs photo-realism... i have that outside my window or on TV.
Some of you may say its natural for graphics to have to progress technologically. Yet, if you consider the best artistic pieces in the world... is it done with natural paint/watercolor etc, or is it done with adobe photoshop/microsoft paint? Technology doesn't always mean better, and since we're talking about aesthetics and the "look" here, i really don't think pushing 3d technology is a must for future games.
I don't know anything about programming... but wouldn't it be easier to create a game in 2d than 3d? With the resources and effort greatly lifted from bump mapping and all that stuff, maybe it could allow a developer more time to work on art, detail, customization, and revolutionary game features that would never work or be tough to implement in a 3d game.
2d games are more limited in scope though generally. as it is only on a 2d plane, where a 3d game allows you to move in 3 dimensions, creating more depth and gameplay possibilities.
The fact is the graphics in WOW are pretty sweet and they dont require a monster system to run.
My pop bought a computer the day SWG released to play the game. That same computer will not run EQ2 because the graphics card is not supported. SWG had some amazing graphics and they ran great on that system but for some reason EQ2 will not run on it period. It is sad when a computer that is less than 2 years old will not run a new game.
Good thing we both are enjoying the WOW open beta. Its a good game with great graphics and we can play it without an expensive upgrade to his computer.
Nuff said.
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3 dimensions can be sorta "faked" on a 2d plane. Final Fantasy tactics had characters going not just in 2d directions, but had up and down as well. Many 2d games allow you to climb up and down ladders, jump, etc.
You could jump in Super Mario RPG, and Diablo 2 had the Barbarian leaping around.
I can't really think of anything a 3d mmorpg can do that a 2d one absolutely can not. If anything, a 2d can have more players onscreen at once with less hardware slowdown. And maybe even make it easier to have a large variety of customization or monsters.
But anyway... when EQ1 came out, some were worried that since it required a 3d card it might not do too well either. EQ2 will do fine the way it is i think.
I love anime graphics more then realistic ones, that is why I choose wow over eq2. I love to pan around my avatar and change angles to create nice looking screenies. And if you want be correct every game is 2D you only have 2 dimensions on your screen or do you already have an holographic monitor? And if I'm not mistaken Diablo 2 had his characters rendered in 3D on a 2D background as do some other games as well.
And system requirements will keep growing, but if you see now against 10 years back a pc then was old and not usable in a few month, now it takes to a year before your pc is old and not usable with new software and then it is even possible that a 2 years old pc runs the newest games, just upgrade the graphicscard.
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Sorry but you are in the minority. The majority of gamers:
- Pay hundreds of extra bucks for 2 - 6 multi accounts.
- Pay hundreds of extra bucks for in game items.
- Showed they are willing to pay extra bucks for elite servers.
- Showed they are willing to pay extra bucks for game features that should be free - that ARE free in other MMORPGs. (The EQ bazaar anyone?)
Thus they are easily and willing to pay hundreds of bucks to upgrade their computer.
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