Im still having a blast, usually the bad mmorpgs turn me away within a week at most, but this is getting better and better. I dont feel like im repeating missions, yesterday for example i had to kill a huge spaceship that was so big it was immune to normal damage, i had a whole fleet of fellow npc feds supporting me while i got some special stuff from the inner mantle of a broken planet and then had to fire the stuff into its huge barrel like opening, which i guess was a barrel after all cause it almost instagibbed me.
And yeah, i also started doing some pvp, and i enjoy that too. Queue times are so short i have to decide if i want to do pve content or pvp, cause they keep popping up all the time. Also pvp seems balanced ok to me, i loose and win games about equally.
Stil learning stuff though, the list of things i dont get is getting shorter, but its not quite done. My experience is, that aslong as there is stuff to learn, things i dont understand and a challange to overcome, a game cant really be boring for me. Thats what kept me in eve for years, and maybe it will keep my in STO for quite a while.
If you want a challange do the pvp, fighting real players is always the biggest challange in mmorpgs, the pve is a tad bit easy(though its getting harder).
Summary what i like about the game:
1. Setting, sci-fi ftw. Fantasy is done to death.
2. Ranged combat. In all games i prefered healer/ranged dd/tank. I dont like close combat pve or pvp. Everything here is ranged.
3. First game cloaking doesnt piss me off. Yeah klingons can cloak. Which puts down their shields, which makes me shoot high yield torps at them before they completly vanish.
4. Deathpenalty. Doesnt have to be no deathpenalty, but im a eve pilot, and sometimes i just want to go onto a suizid killing spree with my best ship without loosing 8 weeks of ingame income for one night of drunken fun. Both has its place, but sometimes i just want a quick fight.
5. People around me. I hate it when im in 0.0/WH and not enough people in my corp on/willing to do stuff with, or lvling a twink in some unnamed mmorpg all alone cause everyone is lvl 80 already.
6. The ships. I like the different playstyle i get just by changing ship. I come from eve, and those of you knowing it will say WTF?, but i dont just mean the ship, i mean the abilities that come with the different BOs on the ships. I really feel like it makes a difference wether i bring an escort or scienceship to the fight. Its hard to describe, but the difference are at the same time less important and yet more important. Maybe because they all can do damage, and yet there are important abilities that can completly change a fight.
Edit: 7. Oh and i love being in a bigass tough spaceship. I really hate those quick reflex based games, im not a keyboard turner and i used keybinds for everything, but i never liked that fights got decided within seconds. Here it actually takes time to kill stuff, which gives time to react and actually consider options. It feels alot more tactical than twitch based games.
The other stuff people complain about, well mostly i just dont care about that. People have complained about eves harshness, overly steep deathpenalty and travetimes for years, now they complain about another game being to easy, having no deathpenalty and being to small/instanced... cant please everyone i guess.
But i do have a feeling people are just fishing for stuff to complain about. You either like a game or you dont, but dont be a crybaby just cause a company decided to do things differently then you thought a proper mmorpg should be done. I dont liek vans either, but im not trying to stop companys from building them. Maybe some of us are sick of proper or traditional mmorps, nice of cryptic to make a game for us eh?
I am also really enjoying STO, as far as the missions go, yes many of the missions are the same just different ships, but what MMoRPG isnt like that, just swap ships for rat people, then pigs then funky water creature that builds houses on land, then mech scarecrows etc... if your an MMoRPG player then this is really a lame complaint. Some of the missions are just awesome which more then makes up for the standerd kill this get that stuff.
I am not worried about lack of content at this point as I level fairly slow considering since headstart I have less then 40 hours playing total so far, yes I am one of those guys that can't sit at a computer for more then a couple of hours without having to get up and do something else, maybe I have some kind of attention deficet disorder, but in this case I think that s a good thing, I really just don't understand how you guys can sit still for so long and play a game, there is just to much out there in the world to do. Plus, Cryptic has said there is a alot of stuff in the works, so the game thats there right now is fun enough for me to stick around and see where they go with it.
So over all I think STO is a very fun game that seems to be heading in the right direction, so this is where my MMo entertainment dollars will be going for the forseeable future. To those who don't like it for various reasons, hope you find the game your looking for.
Glad to see you have are having a great time OP, after all, isn't that what it's all about. FUN!!! I decided to try it and am having a blast. Will it last, who knows, but why should I even ask the question. I don't choose a book thinking, hmmmm is this book going to be entertaining to me after I read the 12th chapter? I better not buy it. Or even buy a car thinking 6 months down the road am I going to like it like I did from day one. Maybe I like that quick thrill or new feeling fix, but who cares, why try to figure it out, if I like it, I'll play it. I didn't have any expectations going in other then, "I hope it's fun" and sure enough, for now, it's fun. It's different then anything else I've played and that alone for me is worth the price of admission. I figure, enjoy everything and everyday like it's going to be your last day, and worry about tomorrow when it comes, if it comes. My final statement being, I hope those who don't like STO find what they are looking for. Everyone deserves to have fun.
I read the book Battlefield Earth. After about a third of the way through the book, it got really horrible and stayed a stinker all the way through it's 1000 pages.
My parents bought a Dodge Grand Caravan, they discovered about a year later that Dodge put dodgy transmissions in them and they tended to wear out after a year or so. That's an extra $1500 for a new transmission every few years.
Therefor, based on those two incidents, I would recommend that people do not read the book Battlefield Earth, that people do not buy a Dodge Grand Caravan, and that gamers do not waste their money on Star trek Online.
Your advice is essentially "live in the moment! Spend your money on that book, buy that car! Don't think about any future consequences! If you like that book until the 12th chapter, or you like that car for six months, then you got your money's worth right?"
FIRST OF ALL, im a fan of such games as: Eve online, Jumpgate, Earth and Beyond and generally most any game that has space ships and space in it, NO MATTER HOW DIFFERENT THEY MAY BE OTHERWISE...... (but im no star trek fan) SO MY OPINION IS BIASED!!
Well, FIRST THE NEGATIVES: *(Yes, im well aware that the game is not perfect,,, far from it)* -Extra races for sale? pfft -Champions online graphics engine ripoff- a little too cartoony for Star Trek, IMHO -Depending on your love or hate of the game, the quest can get repetitive after a while,,, like most any other MMO i have had the experience of playing -Doesnt have that much of an MMO feeling considering the fact that the game is mostly instanced, yet there is a standart monthly fee to pay. -Lack of proper craftin or anything -We got the combat, but where is the exploration or diplomacy so typical os Star Trek? -No proper death penalty... i mean i gotta admit: i hate LOOSING Substantial amounts of EXP or anything when i get killed (Like that final fantasy online game) BUT its too shallow yet.... *****BUT IM STILL LOVING' IT!!***** Why? Total customisation: -u can customise your characters appearance/traits out of a given species, or create a whole new one on your own -You not oly get to pick uniforms for yourself, but you also get to choose your crew and name/dress em in a uniform as u see fit -Furthermore, there are COOL PIECES OF KITS / ARMOR that you can equip on your character on top of your uniform and they VISUALLY show up,,, also there are some cool pieces of weaponry to be had -Almost TOTAL SHIP CUSTOMISATION: Pick the name of the ship that show up on your hull, color your ship to some extend, pick individual VISIBLE/HULL pieces for your ship AKA, Earth&Beyond style, and ofcourse equip it with guns/cannons/turrets etc etc from tip to toe. Other stuff: -Ground missions: SURE, they may not be so great, but at least they are there,, AND being able to move around with your character reminds you that YOU ARE NOT YOUR SHIP, RATHER THE CAPTAIN OF IT!! After some space missions, it always feels good to feel the soft touch of earth/whatever beneath my threaded boots! -Lotsa scripted missions to keep ya buzzy if ur into that kinda thing like me. -Tonsa random missions to fill in the blanks, there are also a few non-combat missions. -Generally well-done and satsfying art direction and graphics overall both for ships, structures, characters and equipment. Sound is nice too, after all, its hailing from the star trek franchise. -LACK of LAG: You may be experiencing rubberbanding, lag spikes or whatnot, but PERSONALLY i have notniced none of em so far,,,, AND HEY!!, This is MY* post so im posting here MY thoughts about MY Experience with the game, YOURS MAY DIFFER, heheheh... -Overall good performance: MAXIMUM SETTINGS, no lag............Yet again i just cashed in lotsa money for a new system so depending on your hardware setup, your experience may wary. -YOU ARE THE CAPTAIN: As i previously pointed out, you are not the ship, you are the commander in chief with your little officers stationed at the bridge obeying your commands and hundreds of your redshirts (the faceless ones:D) doing your bidding repairing your ship and keeping it functional. -Since you are the captain, you NOT ONLY get promoted yourself (Bigger/better ships etc etc) BUT you ALSO get to PROMOTE YOUR CREW i mean officers. And when ur promoted there is this little ceremony for that,, heheh.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the end, i am well aware of the shortcomings of this game, yet i find myself compelled to play it again and again. The sweet sweet feeling of equipping my CHARACTER -*AND*- my SPACE SHIP and going on adventures gives me that awesome feeling that i might be missing lately from other games i tried.
You sound like a girl telling her mother about her new boyfriend: "Mom he is not perfect, I know that but I love him".
His cons:
Likes to hit me from time to time (because I deserve it)
Ex-con who did time for running over people with his truck
And,,,, your point being? Girls cannot post? Guys whom you think sound like chicks cannot post on MMO forums? What relevance does your statement have about the content of this thread besides an attempt to be funny? Although i gotta admit, it was kinda funny indeed....
Alas; If my post sound like a girl telling her mother about her new boyfriend,
than i suppose you sound like a girl who is gossiping with her other female friends about that biatch who has a boyfriend, yet deep inside you are sad and jealeus, since u have no boyfriend at all to begin with. I suggest you get a partner/game or whatever it is you are missing and get over it.:D
It's very rarely that you see the point of something fly so completely over someone's head...
FIRST OF ALL, im a fan of such games as: Eve online, Jumpgate, Earth and Beyond and generally most any game that has space ships and space in it, NO MATTER HOW DIFFERENT THEY MAY BE OTHERWISE...... (but im no star trek fan) SO MY OPINION IS BIASED!!
Well, FIRST THE NEGATIVES: *(Yes, im well aware that the game is not perfect,,, far from it)* -Extra races for sale? pfft -Champions online graphics engine ripoff- a little too cartoony for Star Trek, IMHO -Depending on your love or hate of the game, the quest can get repetitive after a while,,, like most any other MMO i have had the experience of playing -Doesnt have that much of an MMO feeling considering the fact that the game is mostly instanced, yet there is a standart monthly fee to pay. -Lack of proper craftin or anything -We got the combat, but where is the exploration or diplomacy so typical os Star Trek? -No proper death penalty... i mean i gotta admit: i hate LOOSING Substantial amounts of EXP or anything when i get killed (Like that final fantasy online game) BUT its too shallow yet.... *****BUT IM STILL LOVING' IT!!***** Why? Total customisation: -u can customise your characters appearance/traits out of a given species, or create a whole new one on your own -You not oly get to pick uniforms for yourself, but you also get to choose your crew and name/dress em in a uniform as u see fit -Furthermore, there are COOL PIECES OF KITS / ARMOR that you can equip on your character on top of your uniform and they VISUALLY show up,,, also there are some cool pieces of weaponry to be had -Almost TOTAL SHIP CUSTOMISATION: Pick the name of the ship that show up on your hull, color your ship to some extend, pick individual VISIBLE/HULL pieces for your ship AKA, Earth&Beyond style, and ofcourse equip it with guns/cannons/turrets etc etc from tip to toe. Other stuff: -Ground missions: SURE, they may not be so great, but at least they are there,, AND being able to move around with your character reminds you that YOU ARE NOT YOUR SHIP, RATHER THE CAPTAIN OF IT!! After some space missions, it always feels good to feel the soft touch of earth/whatever beneath my threaded boots! -Lotsa scripted missions to keep ya buzzy if ur into that kinda thing like me. -Tonsa random missions to fill in the blanks, there are also a few non-combat missions. -Generally well-done and satsfying art direction and graphics overall both for ships, structures, characters and equipment. Sound is nice too, after all, its hailing from the star trek franchise. -LACK of LAG: You may be experiencing rubberbanding, lag spikes or whatnot, but PERSONALLY i have notniced none of em so far,,,, AND HEY!!, This is MY* post so im posting here MY thoughts about MY Experience with the game, YOURS MAY DIFFER, heheheh... -Overall good performance: MAXIMUM SETTINGS, no lag............Yet again i just cashed in lotsa money for a new system so depending on your hardware setup, your experience may wary. -YOU ARE THE CAPTAIN: As i previously pointed out, you are not the ship, you are the commander in chief with your little officers stationed at the bridge obeying your commands and hundreds of your redshirts (the faceless ones:D) doing your bidding repairing your ship and keeping it functional. -Since you are the captain, you NOT ONLY get promoted yourself (Bigger/better ships etc etc) BUT you ALSO get to PROMOTE YOUR CREW i mean officers. And when ur promoted there is this little ceremony for that,, heheh.... ------------------------------------------------------------------------- In the end, i am well aware of the shortcomings of this game, yet i find myself compelled to play it again and again. The sweet sweet feeling of equipping my CHARACTER -*AND*- my SPACE SHIP and going on adventures gives me that awesome feeling that i might be missing lately from other games i tried.
You sound like a girl telling her mother about her new boyfriend: "Mom he is not perfect, I know that but I love him".
His cons:
Likes to hit me from time to time (because I deserve it)
Ex-con who did time for running over people with his truck
And,,,, your point being? Girls cannot post? Guys whom you think sound like chicks cannot post on MMO forums? What relevance does your statement have about the content of this thread besides an attempt to be funny? Although i gotta admit, it was kinda funny indeed....
Alas; If my post sound like a girl telling her mother about her new boyfriend,
than i suppose you sound like a girl who is gossiping with her other female friends about that biatch who has a boyfriend, yet deep inside you are sad and jealeus, since u have no boyfriend at all to begin with. I suggest you get a partner/game or whatever it is you are missing and get over it.:D
It's very rarely that you see the point of something fly so completely over someone's head...
BUT than - You are totally missing my point....
The poster accuses me of being oblivious to the importance of the cons of the game while overly emphasising the positive things , right`? Like im saying: ''Its not perfect, HELL it might even suck, but i love it anyways!!''
Warning, caps&such incoming!!
BUT THAT *IS* THE POINT OF THIS POST, ITS WRITTEN IN THE VERY TITLE OF THE THREAD THAT **MY OPINIONS ABOUT THE GAME ARE BIASED** SO THE POSTER HIMSELF WAS ONLY STATING THE VERY OBVIOUS!!
AND since stating such an obvious thing serves no point, his attemt looses all its meaning/value to me and get reduced only to an attempt at being funny.
Please dont make me clarify this again, as this whole sex and the city gals versus the STO fanboi thing or whatever is getting out of hand.
Well, i was criticised before for posting an initial ''review'' of my own too soon, but now even MMORPG has released a rev of their own a few days ago, so i guess i can updata this thread with a few more words.
First of all, after all this time (just 2-3 more weeks, actually) my opinions about the game are relatively the same as before, meaning that IM STILL ENJOYING THE GAME VERY MUCH.
BUT than again, there is ALMOST no end game content to look forward to. I mean im just a CASUAL* player, so i have soooo many levels until i hit the RA (real admiral) rank in this game (highest rank) but once u DO reach real admiral, i hear u get an UBER cool ship, a few more scripted quests, some daily quests for uber loot , BUT THAN THATS IT.... no more content UNLESS u sorta create your own content by doing LEFT OVER missions or pvp or whatever,,, (or u can roll a new klingon character if u havent done yet allready)
The game is really new, so lack of end-game content is neither suprising nor unexpected, but it has a very funny negative side effect on me, though,,, IM SCARED OF LEVELLING UP until they release some more of that promised high-end content patches,, heheh....:P i dont want to get my hands on my uber ship just to find out i cant do anything with it..
And the highest rank uniform options, along with some other armor for certain classes are a little bugged right now, but mosty any armor u put on shows up and functions as intended, so in the end its no bigge.
One last thing, Although im thankful to cryptic for creating (or atleast putting into service) a kind of game that i really, really like,, may god help you if u ever need help with a bug, BECAUSE:
1-it will take em about 3-6 days to give u a response
2-And the response will probably of no worth to you at all like:
You (Player) say: There is this bug in this game that is effecting me in such a way
They(cryptic) say: STO is an evolving game and as time passes it will bla bla evolve bla....
and than...........nothnig more...
OFCOURSE, considering that this game is so new, they have to prioritise some ''bugs'' and issues and content release over other ''bugs that could be considered minor'' and they (CS/GM) must be very busy now indeed, but im just saying is all.
Well, i was criticised before for posting an initial ''review'' of my own too soon, but now even MMORPG has released a rev of their own a few days ago, so i guess i can updata this thread with a few more words. First of all, after all this time (just 2-3 more weeks, actually) my opinions about the game are relatively the same as before, meaning that IM STILL ENJOYING THE GAME VERY MUCH. BUT than again, there is ALMOST no end game content to look forward to. I mean im just a CASUAL* player, so i have soooo many levels until i hit the RA (real admiral) rank in this game (highest rank) but once u DO reach real admiral, i hear u get an UBER cool ship, a few more scripted quests, some daily quests for uber loot , BUT THAN THATS IT.... no more content UNLESS u sorta create your own content by doing LEFT OVER missions or pvp or whatever,,, (or u can roll a new klingon character if u havent done yet allready) The game is really new, so lack of end-game content is neither suprising nor unexpected, but it has a very funnt negative side effect on me, though,,, IM SCARED OF LEVELLING UP until they release some more of that promised high-end content patches,, heheh....:P i dont want to get my hands on my uber ship just to find out i cant do nothing without it.. And the highest rank uniform options, along with some other armor for certain classes are a little bugged right now, but mosty any armor u put on shows up and functions as intended, so in the end its no bigge. One last thing, Although im thankful to cryptic for creating (or atleast putting into service) a kind of game that i really, really like,, may god help you if u ever need help with a bug, BECAUSE: 1-it will take em about 3-6 days to give u a response 2-And the response will probably of no worth to you at all like: You (Player) say: There is this bug in this game that is effecting me in such a way They(cryptic) say: STO is an evolving game and as time passes it will bla bla evolve bla.... and than...........nothnig more... OFCOURSE, considering that this game is so new, they have to prioritise some ''bugs'' and issues and content release over other ''bugs that could be considered minor'' and they (CS/GM) must be very busy now indeed, but im just saying is all. Piece! hmmm, peas.....
I see things pretty similar, just want to give you some advice about that level up fear, dont be afraid .
You see, once your CAptain rank 11, you get promoted to Rear Admiral and get your new ship. But you still have to:
a) Advance another 5-10 level, not sure, think five.
b) Perfect you BO setup(rank III skills can be hard to get).
c) Gear your ship out properly in preparation for the new content.
Now realistically if your not max level right now the new content will be live before you got nothing else to do. If your very close to max level you might have a couple days overlap at worst. But remember at RA rank you also actually get two ships in your line instead of one, so you could get by gearing out your second ship. Also a max level char would allow you to test the new content on the testserver, which is what i intend to do should i reach max level before the content hits live.
Sadly gearing out your ships mostly consists of doing exploration missions or pvp over and over again, but then again, which game doesnt require some grinding for rare & epic stuff?
Been playing for over three weeks now and am still enjoying it. I'm at Commnader 7 and still have lots of storyline, clusters,patrols etc. to do. Thought I was supposed to bored of hte game by this point?
Krelian, I mean no disrespect to you, but after reading your review, it seems as if you'd just be happy playing Barbie Online. Your pros are all about playing dress up and making things look pretty.
Krelian, I mean no disrespect to you, but after reading your review, it seems as if you'd just be happy playing Barbie Online. Your pros are all about playing dress up and making things look pretty. Just my thoughts on your review.
Yes, and the scripted content - storyline missions, and the random content (although it can and will get boring if u grind it), and the feeling of being the captain, and the shift between ground and space missions. (So customisation/dress up part is something good in this game IMO, but thats nowhere near all that i like in STO if u get my meaning), its all in the review i presume,, or perhaps i forgot some stuff up there
BTW: Ktanner3: yeah me too, maybe if i wasnt a casual player things could be different,, maybe... but im not, i dont have a lot of hours to play each day, so it works pretty well for me content wise, to be honest (at least so far : ) glad ur enjoying the game too.
Rocketeer: Thank you for your promising post, as it puts a smile on my face,, lol no more end game anxiety for me now, eh !
PS!
I would play barbie online if barbies could get space ships!! UBER!! the bridge would be like my own personal harem! Ahh, the Harem, the one thing that middle easterners came up with that is GREAT!! (jkjk, no racism intended)
BUT OTHERWISE, there have been several, very good improvements/UPDATES!
1-Difficulty slider: yupp, now we cant complain the game is too easy or there is not enough of a risk vs reward factor
2-Auto fire: no more pressing space button a thousand times until ur fingers bleed (well, unless ur like me and used the glitch workaround, anyways)
3-Rebalancing: Well I might be totally wrong, but from my experience right now the game feels kinda more balanced when it comes to different classes and such.
4-Some more raid content's around, so at least you have a little' somethin more to do when u hit the level cap,,
5-New, and better power menagement and tweaks etc.
6-Crafting has been updated / overhauled
7-Everybody can purchase (if they want ofc) the promotional or digital deluxse / lifetime subscription perks such as ship registeries, costumes, races or emotes and stuff, and i got the digital deluxe myself, and couldnt care less, i HUMBLY THINK that its a step in the right direction, i just wish they woulda release the game as it is now from the very start, hate having 15 different versions of a game around to pick from:D
NOW the ''WIERD'':
I think if they spent the time that they put on C-STORE items on creating more missions etc for the game, it would have been awesome!
I mean the cstore has become something like a super-mall and its amazing and glorious and marvelous,, yes the new interface is actually good, BUT hey..... as somebody else has posted before me:
''C-store crap doesnt count as content' :P
PS: Yes i just said that c-store crap aint so good, but i still think that its better than nothing that now they are at laest offering equal opportunites for all people to get the afformentioned crap.
On the other hand STO has all that crew, and personal feeling, but its ''game over'' in 1 - 2 months even if ur a casual... (and ofcourse, its boundries cannot even be compared to eve at all)
I think the game coulda been really great if cryptic didnt rush out the game, but than again i guess u could say that about most mmos around.
BUT OTHERWISE, there have been several, very good improvements/UPDATES!
1-Difficulty slider: yupp, now we cant complain the game is too easy or there is not enough of a risk vs reward factor
2-Auto fire: no more pressing space button a thousand times until ur fingers bleed (well, unless ur like me and used the glitch workaround, anyways)
3-Rebalancing: Well I might be totally wrong, but from my experience right now the game feels kinda more balanced when it comes to different classes and such.
4-Some more raid content's around, so at least you have a little' somethin more to do when u hit the level cap,,
5-New, and better power menagement and tweaks etc.
6-Crafting has been updated / overhauled
7-Everybody can purchase (if they want ofc) the promotional or digital deluxse / lifetime subscription perks such as ship registeries, costumes, races or emotes and stuff, and i got the digital deluxe myself, and couldnt care less, i HUMBLY THINK that its a step in the right direction, i just wish they woulda release the game as it is now from the very start, hate having 15 different versions of a game around to pick from:D
NOW the ''WIERD'':
I think if they spent the time that they put on C-STORE items on creating more missions etc for the game, it would have been awesome!
I mean the cstore has become something like a super-mall and its amazing and glorious and marvelous,, yes the new interface is actually good, BUT hey..... as somebody else has posted before me:
''C-store crap doesnt count as content' :P
PS: Yes i just said that c-store crap aint so good, but i still think that its better than nothing that now they are at laest offering equal opportunites for all people to get the afformentioned crap.
crafting overhauled? it would have been impossible to be worse, in fact even not having it in the game would have been better than tthe system they had at release. beyond that everything you have listed is things that are to be expected at release, not improvements, this is them still not managing to get the game to release state months after it was released.
AND SERIOUSLY BEING ABLE TO BUY STUFF IN THE C-STORE IS AN IMPROVEMENT?????????????
just by the statement alone i know that anything you post i can assume is to be taken with a large amount of skepticism.
at least you realize that your being ripped off by cryptic puting things in the c-store rather than working on finishing the game, too bad you havent realized this is going to continue and is offensive to the point you should cancel your account.
thank you for making me laugh!
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME
but try to understand what a sentence means before trying to be the '' shoulda police''.
I never meant that ''being able to buy items in the c-store is an improvement''.
What i meant was: HAVING FLUFF ITEMS AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO BUY THEM INSTEAD OF RESTRICTING THOSE ITEMS JUST TO A FRACTION OF THE USERBASE is an improvement,.
THE C-STORE ITSELF, is not an improvement at all, and never has been, and never will be. (I dont really like the idea of paying for a game, than paying mothly fees, AND THAN paying for etc items on top of that, its sad that alot of mmo's novadays seem to be catching up with this ugly new trend)
=AS u have noticed: i allready said that i wish they would spend their time on more missions (GAME CONTENT) instead of the c-store,
Thank you for misunderstanding my post and than sarcastically laughing about what you just misinterpreted yourself.
I think one of the sadder things about the minor saga of Cryptic and their ruination of STO's potential,, is how it's led some people to behave. It's also a clear example of why people should never buy long term subscriptions to these games.
Some of these people we see posting in defense of the game are more than likely good peeps generally, but through circumstance now seem to feel forced to go out and prop up a game that is a complete and utter fail if anyone is looking for some fun gameplay that lasts longer than a couple of weeks.
Even after all this time the game isn't even close to the state it should have been at release. Not in any area. In a lot of areas they've actually gone backwards since release.
Eve online, Jumpgate, Earth and Beyond and generally most any game that has space ships and space in it, NO MATTER HOW DIFFERENT THEY MAY BE OTHERWISE...... (but im no star trek fan)
SO MY OPINION IS BIASED!!
Well, FIRST THE NEGATIVES: *(Yes, im well aware that the game is not perfect,,, far from it)*
-Extra races for sale? pfft
-Champions online graphics engine ripoff- a little too cartoony for Star Trek, IMHO
-Depending on your love or hate of the game, the quest can get repetitive after a while,,, like most any other MMO i have had the experience of playing
-Doesnt have that much of an MMO feeling considering the fact that the game is mostly instanced, yet there is a standart monthly fee to pay.
-Lack of proper craftin or anything
-We got the combat, but where is the exploration or diplomacy so typical os Star Trek?
-No proper death penalty... i mean i gotta admit: i hate LOOSING Substantial amounts of EXP or anything when i get killed (Like that final fantasy online game) BUT its too shallow yet....
*****BUT IM STILL LOVING' IT!!*****
Why?
Total customisation:
-u can customise your characters appearance/traits out of a given species, or create a whole new one on your own
-You not oly get to pick uniforms for yourself, but you also get to choose your crew and name/dress em in a uniform as u see fit
-Furthermore, there are COOL PIECES OF KITS / ARMOR that you can equip on your character on top of your uniform and they VISUALLY show up,,, also there are some cool pieces of weaponry to be had
-Almost TOTAL SHIP CUSTOMISATION: Pick the name of the ship that show up on your hull, color your ship to some extend, pick individual VISIBLE/HULL pieces for your ship AKA, Earth&Beyond style, and ofcourse equip it with guns/cannons/turrets etc etc from tip to toe.
Other stuff:
-Ground missions: SURE, they may not be so great, but at least they are there,, AND being able to move around with your character reminds you that YOU ARE NOT YOUR SHIP, RATHER THE CAPTAIN OF IT!! After some space missions, it always feels good to feel the soft touch of earth/whatever beneath my threaded boots!
-Lotsa scripted missions to keep ya buzzy if ur into that kinda thing like me.
-Tonsa random missions to fill in the blanks, there are also a few non-combat missions.
-Generally well-done and satsfying art direction and graphics overall both for ships, structures, characters and equipment. Sound is nice too, after all, its hailing from the star trek franchise.
-LACK of LAG: You may be experiencing rubberbanding, lag spikes or whatnot, but PERSONALLY i have notniced none of em so far,,,, AND HEY!!, This is MY* post so im posting here MY thoughts about MY Experience with the game, YOURS MAY DIFFER, heheheh...
-Overall good performance: MAXIMUM SETTINGS, no lag............Yet again i just cashed in lotsa money for a new system so depending on your hardware setup, your experience may wary.
-YOU ARE THE CAPTAIN: As i previously pointed out, you are not the ship, you are the commander in chief with your little officers stationed at the bridge obeying your commands and hundreds of your redshirts (the faceless ones:D) doing your bidding repairing your ship and keeping it functional.
-Since you are the captain, you NOT ONLY get promoted yourself (Bigger/better ships etc etc) BUT you ALSO get to PROMOTE YOUR CREW i mean officers. And when ur promoted there is this little ceremony for that,, heheh....
In the end, i am well aware of the shortcomings of this game, yet i find myself compelled to play it again and again. The sweet sweet feeling of equipping my CHARACTER -*AND*- my SPACE SHIP and going on adventures gives me that awesome feeling that i might be missing lately from other games i tried.
You sound like a girl telling her mother about her new boyfriend: "Mom he is not perfect, I know that but I love him".
His cons:
Likes to hit me from time to time (because I deserve it)
Ex-con who did time for running over people with his truck
Cheats me with other women
Shallow and dumb
Lies to me all the time
Pros:
Looks good
Has many fashionable clothes
Drives a cool car
Has cool friends who own a bar
"I love him and I don't care what you think!"
Normally I love for people to have their own opinion and try to not debate something as such but this post made me laugh as it is so true.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
"This is the problem with these boards. You post something, that quite frankly doesn't fire at any group, is a in the middle kind of post and you get attacked by someone who feels the need to battle it out for the grand prize of nothing."-Maverz290
I respect your opinion and welcome it, but i still cant beleive that people dont get what i was trying to do with the opening post.
I was trying to explain that i am aware of the shortcomings of the game, but i also find stuff here that i enjoy, AND IN THE END, the game caters to my interests and i am enjoying it (err kinda:D)
Isnt it quite the same with every mmo out there`?
Lets say you play an mmo called ''sword online'' (make belief)
the game has long ques and no customer support and several bugs,, BUT u still love it coz its the only mmo that you can play with good graphics settings on your old crappy computer, Or whatever.... (u can fill in ur own similar example here) etc etc
I do not understand why on MMO forums, EVERY GAME NEEDS TO BE EITHER
A)PERFECT
B)SUCKS
Like, WOW either ''sucks'' according to some players, or it ''great''!, or like Warhammer Online is either the worst mmo in history of mankind, or its the best mmo ever since the birth of jesus chryst! (Jesus Online being the best game ever).
Thats why when im writing about the game, EVEN IF i like it, i try to keep an open eye to its short comings, or even if i hate it, i try to acknowledge some of the strong points it has too... as i think that most mmo's are neither perfect or the worst out there ... but somewhere in between.....
PS
YEs, i know what you guys who post here think:
the ''good points'' of the game i pointed out are minor/artificial
and the bad points are very serious/devastating
BUT what most any1 here doesnt understand is; i am not you people, i have my own personal tastes about games & stuff just as we all do, and what seems like ''devastating or extremly bad'' OR what seems like ''minor'' to the general mmo player population doesnt necessarily have to apply to me:)
Im just pointing out MY thoughts, not trying to agree or fight with anyone.
But yes, cryptic got themselves to be so hated that (and messed up the Star Trek licence in many an mmo player's eyes)
opening a positive thread about the game and writing that i enjoy it or whatever surely attracts many players who feel cheated or pissed by the company.
the ''good points'' of the game i pointed out are minor/artificial
and the bad points are very serious/devastating
BUT what most any1 here doesnt understand is; i am not you people, i have my own personal tastes about games & stuff just as we all do, and what seems like ''devastating or extremly bad'' OR what seems like ''minor'' to the general mmo player population doesnt necessarily have to apply to me:)
Im just pointing out MY thoughts, not trying to agree or fight with anyone.
I agree with the first part of your quoted statement.
But I really don't understand the second part of your statement? Did you expect that you would just be able to "say your piece", everyone would read it, and there would be no commentary? You posted on a General Discussion board. I don't believe anyone is trying to fight with you, but did you expect your positive crtique of the game to generate no response?
you will realize at the end of the OP, i even had posted;
''Flame Shields Up''
Although to be honest, considering that its STO, the responses here in general have been decent:)
I was just trying to say - if at all possible (just in case) lets keep this about the game, and not a personal ''kitchen fight'' throwing cookies at eachother. I mean= not something like: 'I 'Damn/love you for liking the game'' but more like ''you agree/disagree with what i say coz you think the game is good/bad in such and such manner etc....''
Could you elaborate on exactly what changed in the crafting system since you stated it was overhauled. To my knowledge all they did was add a counter so you know when you can move from one crafter to the next. The items you craft are still weaker than the ones you get as loot and there are very few people using the crafting at memory alpha.
Also, can you please post again in this thread in 3 to 4 months when you have maxed out 5 RA characters and you have gone through all the content 5 times over and have nothing to do. I would like to see your opinion then and see if you are still happy with the state of the game.
Thanks
"Sean (Murray) saying MP will be in the game is not remotely close to evidence that at the point of purchase people thought there was MP in the game." - SEANMCAD
but try to understand what a sentence means before trying to be the '' shoulda police''.
I never meant that ''being able to buy items in the c-store is an improvement''.
What i meant was: HAVING FLUFF ITEMS AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO BUY THEM INSTEAD OF RESTRICTING THOSE ITEMS JUST TO A FRACTION OF THE USERBASE is an improvement,.
THE C-STORE ITSELF, is not an improvement at all, and never has been, and never will be. (I dont really like the idea of paying for a game, than paying mothly fees, AND THAN paying for etc items on top of that, its sad that alot of mmo's novadays seem to be catching up with this ugly new trend)
=AS u have noticed: i allready said that i wish they would spend their time on more missions (GAME CONTENT) instead of the c-store,
Thank you for misunderstanding my post and than sarcastically laughing about what you just misinterpreted yourself.
I will try to be clearer next time.
you didnt need to clarify, i understood the first time i read your post. the c store as a whole is a pathetic cash grab, putting anything in it is offensive imho. people pay monthly subscriptions for content, and having the c-store (no matter what is in it) is just another way for cryptic to gouge its customers. im sorry you dont see this, as it seems to be becoming very comonplace in subscription mmo's.
personally i find any company taking my money for a product, and using it to develope fluff to sell me a second time rather than work on and complete the product im allready paying for offensive and down right unethical. sto was (or is depending on your opinion) and unfinished game not ready for release. cryptic took the money you and i gave them and used it to create stuff to sell to us a second time rather than finish the product they sold us. THATS WRONG.
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME
I think one of the sadder things about the minor saga of Cryptic and their ruination of STO's potential,, is how it's led some people to behave. It's also a clear example of why people should never buy long term subscriptions to these games.
Some of these people we see posting in defense of the game are more than likely good peeps generally, but through circumstance now seem to feel forced to go out and prop up a game that is a complete and utter fail if anyone is looking for some fun gameplay that lasts longer than a couple of weeks.
Even after all this time the game isn't even close to the state it should have been at release. Not in any area. In a lot of areas they've actually gone backwards since release.
Yeah, just look at the level of hate some of these lifers direct at a fellow lifer that feels burned by this month's Cryptic PR/marketing fiasco.
but try to understand what a sentence means before trying to be the '' shoulda police''.
I never meant that ''being able to buy items in the c-store is an improvement''.
What i meant was: HAVING FLUFF ITEMS AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO BUY THEM INSTEAD OF RESTRICTING THOSE ITEMS JUST TO A FRACTION OF THE USERBASE is an improvement,.
THE C-STORE ITSELF, is not an improvement at all, and never has been, and never will be. (I dont really like the idea of paying for a game, than paying mothly fees, AND THAN paying for etc items on top of that, its sad that alot of mmo's novadays seem to be catching up with this ugly new trend)
=AS u have noticed: i allready said that i wish they would spend their time on more missions (GAME CONTENT) instead of the c-store,
Thank you for misunderstanding my post and than sarcastically laughing about what you just misinterpreted yourself.
I will try to be clearer next time.
you didnt need to clarify, i understood the first time i read your post. the c store as a whole is a pathetic cash grab, putting anything in it is offensive imho. people pay monthly subscriptions for content, and having the c-store (no matter what is in it) is just another way for cryptic to gouge its customers. im sorry you dont see this, as it seems to be becoming very comonplace in subscription mmo's.
personally i find any company taking my money for a product, and using it to develope fluff to sell me a second time rather than work on and complete the product im allready paying for offensive and down right unethical. sto was (or is depending on your opinion) and unfinished game not ready for release. cryptic took the money you and i gave them and used it to create stuff to sell to us a second time rather than finish the product they sold us. THATS WRONG.
I have heard many things against cash shops, but this argument is completely illogical. Let's say Cryptic charges for subscription $10 instead of $15, then the cash shop would be fine yes or no, let's say they charge for subscription $5 instead. In the end, we pay $15 for the free content, based on that content we decide about playing or quitting.
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Im still having a blast, usually the bad mmorpgs turn me away within a week at most, but this is getting better and better. I dont feel like im repeating missions, yesterday for example i had to kill a huge spaceship that was so big it was immune to normal damage, i had a whole fleet of fellow npc feds supporting me while i got some special stuff from the inner mantle of a broken planet and then had to fire the stuff into its huge barrel like opening, which i guess was a barrel after all cause it almost instagibbed me.
And yeah, i also started doing some pvp, and i enjoy that too. Queue times are so short i have to decide if i want to do pve content or pvp, cause they keep popping up all the time. Also pvp seems balanced ok to me, i loose and win games about equally.
Stil learning stuff though, the list of things i dont get is getting shorter, but its not quite done. My experience is, that aslong as there is stuff to learn, things i dont understand and a challange to overcome, a game cant really be boring for me. Thats what kept me in eve for years, and maybe it will keep my in STO for quite a while.
If you want a challange do the pvp, fighting real players is always the biggest challange in mmorpgs, the pve is a tad bit easy(though its getting harder).
Summary what i like about the game:
1. Setting, sci-fi ftw. Fantasy is done to death.
2. Ranged combat. In all games i prefered healer/ranged dd/tank. I dont like close combat pve or pvp. Everything here is ranged.
3. First game cloaking doesnt piss me off. Yeah klingons can cloak. Which puts down their shields, which makes me shoot high yield torps at them before they completly vanish.
4. Deathpenalty. Doesnt have to be no deathpenalty, but im a eve pilot, and sometimes i just want to go onto a suizid killing spree with my best ship without loosing 8 weeks of ingame income for one night of drunken fun. Both has its place, but sometimes i just want a quick fight.
5. People around me. I hate it when im in 0.0/WH and not enough people in my corp on/willing to do stuff with, or lvling a twink in some unnamed mmorpg all alone cause everyone is lvl 80 already.
6. The ships. I like the different playstyle i get just by changing ship. I come from eve, and those of you knowing it will say WTF?, but i dont just mean the ship, i mean the abilities that come with the different BOs on the ships. I really feel like it makes a difference wether i bring an escort or scienceship to the fight. Its hard to describe, but the difference are at the same time less important and yet more important. Maybe because they all can do damage, and yet there are important abilities that can completly change a fight.
Edit: 7. Oh and i love being in a bigass tough spaceship. I really hate those quick reflex based games, im not a keyboard turner and i used keybinds for everything, but i never liked that fights got decided within seconds. Here it actually takes time to kill stuff, which gives time to react and actually consider options. It feels alot more tactical than twitch based games.
The other stuff people complain about, well mostly i just dont care about that. People have complained about eves harshness, overly steep deathpenalty and travetimes for years, now they complain about another game being to easy, having no deathpenalty and being to small/instanced... cant please everyone i guess.
But i do have a feeling people are just fishing for stuff to complain about. You either like a game or you dont, but dont be a crybaby just cause a company decided to do things differently then you thought a proper mmorpg should be done. I dont liek vans either, but im not trying to stop companys from building them. Maybe some of us are sick of proper or traditional mmorps, nice of cryptic to make a game for us eh?
I am also really enjoying STO, as far as the missions go, yes many of the missions are the same just different ships, but what MMoRPG isnt like that, just swap ships for rat people, then pigs then funky water creature that builds houses on land, then mech scarecrows etc... if your an MMoRPG player then this is really a lame complaint. Some of the missions are just awesome which more then makes up for the standerd kill this get that stuff.
I am not worried about lack of content at this point as I level fairly slow considering since headstart I have less then 40 hours playing total so far, yes I am one of those guys that can't sit at a computer for more then a couple of hours without having to get up and do something else, maybe I have some kind of attention deficet disorder, but in this case I think that s a good thing, I really just don't understand how you guys can sit still for so long and play a game, there is just to much out there in the world to do. Plus, Cryptic has said there is a alot of stuff in the works, so the game thats there right now is fun enough for me to stick around and see where they go with it.
So over all I think STO is a very fun game that seems to be heading in the right direction, so this is where my MMo entertainment dollars will be going for the forseeable future. To those who don't like it for various reasons, hope you find the game your looking for.
Godz of War I call Thee
I read the book Battlefield Earth. After about a third of the way through the book, it got really horrible and stayed a stinker all the way through it's 1000 pages.
My parents bought a Dodge Grand Caravan, they discovered about a year later that Dodge put dodgy transmissions in them and they tended to wear out after a year or so. That's an extra $1500 for a new transmission every few years.
Therefor, based on those two incidents, I would recommend that people do not read the book Battlefield Earth, that people do not buy a Dodge Grand Caravan, and that gamers do not waste their money on Star trek Online.
Your advice is essentially "live in the moment! Spend your money on that book, buy that car! Don't think about any future consequences! If you like that book until the 12th chapter, or you like that car for six months, then you got your money's worth right?"
You sound like a girl telling her mother about her new boyfriend: "Mom he is not perfect, I know that but I love him".
His cons:
Pros:
"I love him and I don't care what you think!"
I laughed because it's funny and true.
Your post reminds me of a certain Star Trek movie review: www.youtube.com/watch
And,,,, your point being? Girls cannot post? Guys whom you think sound like chicks cannot post on MMO forums? What relevance does your statement have about the content of this thread besides an attempt to be funny? Although i gotta admit, it was kinda funny indeed....
Alas; If my post sound like a girl telling her mother about her new boyfriend,
than i suppose you sound like a girl who is gossiping with her other female friends about that biatch who has a boyfriend, yet deep inside you are sad and jealeus, since u have no boyfriend at all to begin with. I suggest you get a partner/game or whatever it is you are missing and get over it.:D
It's very rarely that you see the point of something fly so completely over someone's head...
You sound like a girl telling her mother about her new boyfriend: "Mom he is not perfect, I know that but I love him".
His cons:
Pros:
"I love him and I don't care what you think!"
I laughed because it's funny and true.
Your post reminds me of a certain Star Trek movie review: www.youtube.com/watch
And,,,, your point being? Girls cannot post? Guys whom you think sound like chicks cannot post on MMO forums? What relevance does your statement have about the content of this thread besides an attempt to be funny? Although i gotta admit, it was kinda funny indeed....
Alas; If my post sound like a girl telling her mother about her new boyfriend,
than i suppose you sound like a girl who is gossiping with her other female friends about that biatch who has a boyfriend, yet deep inside you are sad and jealeus, since u have no boyfriend at all to begin with. I suggest you get a partner/game or whatever it is you are missing and get over it.:D
It's very rarely that you see the point of something fly so completely over someone's head...
BUT than - You are totally missing my point....
The poster accuses me of being oblivious to the importance of the cons of the game while overly emphasising the positive things , right`? Like im saying: ''Its not perfect, HELL it might even suck, but i love it anyways!!''
Warning, caps&such incoming!!
BUT THAT *IS* THE POINT OF THIS POST, ITS WRITTEN IN THE VERY TITLE OF THE THREAD THAT **MY OPINIONS ABOUT THE GAME ARE BIASED** SO THE POSTER HIMSELF WAS ONLY STATING THE VERY OBVIOUS!!
AND since stating such an obvious thing serves no point, his attemt looses all its meaning/value to me and get reduced only to an attempt at being funny.
Please dont make me clarify this again, as this whole sex and the city gals versus the STO fanboi thing or whatever is getting out of hand.
Cheers!
Well, i was criticised before for posting an initial ''review'' of my own too soon, but now even MMORPG has released a rev of their own a few days ago, so i guess i can updata this thread with a few more words.
First of all, after all this time (just 2-3 more weeks, actually) my opinions about the game are relatively the same as before, meaning that IM STILL ENJOYING THE GAME VERY MUCH.
BUT than again, there is ALMOST no end game content to look forward to. I mean im just a CASUAL* player, so i have soooo many levels until i hit the RA (real admiral) rank in this game (highest rank) but once u DO reach real admiral, i hear u get an UBER cool ship, a few more scripted quests, some daily quests for uber loot , BUT THAN THATS IT.... no more content UNLESS u sorta create your own content by doing LEFT OVER missions or pvp or whatever,,, (or u can roll a new klingon character if u havent done yet allready)
The game is really new, so lack of end-game content is neither suprising nor unexpected, but it has a very funny negative side effect on me, though,,, IM SCARED OF LEVELLING UP until they release some more of that promised high-end content patches,, heheh....:P i dont want to get my hands on my uber ship just to find out i cant do anything with it..
And the highest rank uniform options, along with some other armor for certain classes are a little bugged right now, but mosty any armor u put on shows up and functions as intended, so in the end its no bigge.
One last thing, Although im thankful to cryptic for creating (or atleast putting into service) a kind of game that i really, really like,, may god help you if u ever need help with a bug, BECAUSE:
1-it will take em about 3-6 days to give u a response
2-And the response will probably of no worth to you at all like:
You (Player) say: There is this bug in this game that is effecting me in such a way
They(cryptic) say: STO is an evolving game and as time passes it will bla bla evolve bla....
and than...........nothnig more...
OFCOURSE, considering that this game is so new, they have to prioritise some ''bugs'' and issues and content release over other ''bugs that could be considered minor'' and they (CS/GM) must be very busy now indeed, but im just saying is all.
Piece!
hmmm, peas.....
I see things pretty similar, just want to give you some advice about that level up fear, dont be afraid
.
You see, once your CAptain rank 11, you get promoted to Rear Admiral and get your new ship. But you still have to:
a) Advance another 5-10 level, not sure, think five.
b) Perfect you BO setup(rank III skills can be hard to get).
c) Gear your ship out properly in preparation for the new content.
Now realistically if your not max level right now the new content will be live before you got nothing else to do. If your very close to max level you might have a couple days overlap at worst. But remember at RA rank you also actually get two ships in your line instead of one, so you could get by gearing out your second ship. Also a max level char would allow you to test the new content on the testserver, which is what i intend to do should i reach max level before the content hits live.
Sadly gearing out your ships mostly consists of doing exploration missions or pvp over and over again, but then again, which game doesnt require some grinding for rare & epic stuff?
Been playing for over three weeks now and am still enjoying it. I'm at Commnader 7 and still have lots of storyline, clusters,patrols etc. to do. Thought I was supposed to bored of hte game by this point?
Currently Playing: World of Warcraft
Krelian, I mean no disrespect to you, but after reading your review, it seems as if you'd just be happy playing Barbie Online. Your pros are all about playing dress up and making things look pretty.
Just my thoughts on your review.
Yes, and the scripted content - storyline missions, and the random content (although it can and will get boring if u grind it), and the feeling of being the captain, and the shift between ground and space missions. (So customisation/dress up part is something good in this game IMO, but thats nowhere near all that i like in STO if u get my meaning), its all in the review i presume,, or perhaps i forgot some stuff up there
BTW: Ktanner3: yeah me too, maybe if i wasnt a casual player things could be different,, maybe... but im not, i dont have a lot of hours to play each day, so it works pretty well for me content wise, to be honest (at least so far : ) glad ur enjoying the game too.
Rocketeer: Thank you for your promising post, as it puts a smile on my face,, lol no more end game anxiety for me now, eh !
PS!
I would play barbie online if barbies could get space ships!! UBER!! the bridge would be like my own personal harem! Ahh, the Harem, the one thing that middle easterners came up with that is GREAT!! (jkjk, no racism intended)
Me too.
Just a little update!
The game stil grossly lacks high level content,
BUT OTHERWISE, there have been several, very good improvements/UPDATES!
1-Difficulty slider: yupp, now we cant complain the game is too easy or there is not enough of a risk vs reward factor
2-Auto fire: no more pressing space button a thousand times until ur fingers bleed (well, unless ur like me and used the glitch workaround, anyways)
3-Rebalancing: Well I might be totally wrong, but from my experience right now the game feels kinda more balanced when it comes to different classes and such.
4-Some more raid content's around, so at least you have a little' somethin more to do when u hit the level cap,,
5-New, and better power menagement and tweaks etc.
6-Crafting has been updated / overhauled
7-Everybody can purchase (if they want ofc) the promotional or digital deluxse / lifetime subscription perks such as ship registeries, costumes, races or emotes and stuff, and i got the digital deluxe myself, and couldnt care less, i HUMBLY THINK that its a step in the right direction, i just wish they woulda release the game as it is now from the very start, hate having 15 different versions of a game around to pick from:D
NOW the ''WIERD'':
I think if they spent the time that they put on C-STORE items on creating more missions etc for the game, it would have been awesome!
I mean the cstore has become something like a super-mall and its amazing and glorious and marvelous,, yes the new interface is actually good, BUT hey..... as somebody else has posted before me:
''C-store crap doesnt count as content' :P
PS: Yes i just said that c-store crap aint so good, but i still think that its better than nothing that now they are at laest offering equal opportunites for all people to get the afformentioned crap.
So do you like IMVU as well?
Seriously, why does it have to be an either or?
Either great customization but crap game or good game and crap customization...
I miss the MMORPG genre. Will a developer ever make one again?
Explorer: 87%, Killer: 67%, Achiever: 27%, Socializer: 20%
I have no idea what imvu is,
but i can't argue with you on this one.
yes, it really feels like its either great customisation and crap game, or vice versa......
and...
I mean, i looove EVE, but its just lacking that ''human factor'' (there has recently been a blog about it, even)
http://www.mmorpg.com/blogs/Teala
On the other hand STO has all that crew, and personal feeling, but its ''game over'' in 1 - 2 months even if ur a casual... (and ofcourse, its boundries cannot even be compared to eve at all)
I think the game coulda been really great if cryptic didnt rush out the game, but than again i guess u could say that about most mmos around.
crafting overhauled? it would have been impossible to be worse, in fact even not having it in the game would have been better than tthe system they had at release. beyond that everything you have listed is things that are to be expected at release, not improvements, this is them still not managing to get the game to release state months after it was released.
AND SERIOUSLY BEING ABLE TO BUY STUFF IN THE C-STORE IS AN IMPROVEMENT?????????????
just by the statement alone i know that anything you post i can assume is to be taken with a large amount of skepticism.
at least you realize that your being ripped off by cryptic puting things in the c-store rather than working on finishing the game, too bad you havent realized this is going to continue and is offensive to the point you should cancel your account.
thank you for making me laugh!
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME
Thank you for the reply,
but try to understand what a sentence means before trying to be the '' shoulda police''.
I never meant that ''being able to buy items in the c-store is an improvement''.
What i meant was: HAVING FLUFF ITEMS AVAILABLE FOR EVERYONE WHO WANTS TO BUY THEM INSTEAD OF RESTRICTING THOSE ITEMS JUST TO A FRACTION OF THE USERBASE is an improvement,.
THE C-STORE ITSELF, is not an improvement at all, and never has been, and never will be. (I dont really like the idea of paying for a game, than paying mothly fees, AND THAN paying for etc items on top of that, its sad that alot of mmo's novadays seem to be catching up with this ugly new trend)
=AS u have noticed: i allready said that i wish they would spend their time on more missions (GAME CONTENT) instead of the c-store,
Thank you for misunderstanding my post and than sarcastically laughing about what you just misinterpreted yourself.
I will try to be clearer next time.
I think one of the sadder things about the minor saga of Cryptic and their ruination of STO's potential,, is how it's led some people to behave. It's also a clear example of why people should never buy long term subscriptions to these games.
Some of these people we see posting in defense of the game are more than likely good peeps generally, but through circumstance now seem to feel forced to go out and prop up a game that is a complete and utter fail if anyone is looking for some fun gameplay that lasts longer than a couple of weeks.
Even after all this time the game isn't even close to the state it should have been at release. Not in any area. In a lot of areas they've actually gone backwards since release.
Normally I love for people to have their own opinion and try to not debate something as such but this post made me laugh as it is so true.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
jaxsundane; You have a very interesting sig;
"This is the problem with these boards. You post something, that quite frankly doesn't fire at any group, is a in the middle kind of post and you get attacked by someone who feels the need to battle it out for the grand prize of nothing."-Maverz290
I respect your opinion and welcome it, but i still cant beleive that people dont get what i was trying to do with the opening post.
I was trying to explain that i am aware of the shortcomings of the game, but i also find stuff here that i enjoy, AND IN THE END, the game caters to my interests and i am enjoying it (err kinda:D)
Isnt it quite the same with every mmo out there`?
Lets say you play an mmo called ''sword online'' (make belief)
the game has long ques and no customer support and several bugs,, BUT u still love it coz its the only mmo that you can play with good graphics settings on your old crappy computer, Or whatever.... (u can fill in ur own similar example here) etc etc
I do not understand why on MMO forums, EVERY GAME NEEDS TO BE EITHER
A)PERFECT
B)SUCKS
Like, WOW either ''sucks'' according to some players, or it ''great''!, or like Warhammer Online is either the worst mmo in history of mankind, or its the best mmo ever since the birth of jesus chryst! (Jesus Online being the best game ever).
Thats why when im writing about the game, EVEN IF i like it, i try to keep an open eye to its short comings, or even if i hate it, i try to acknowledge some of the strong points it has too... as i think that most mmo's are neither perfect or the worst out there ... but somewhere in between.....
PS
YEs, i know what you guys who post here think:
the ''good points'' of the game i pointed out are minor/artificial
and the bad points are very serious/devastating
BUT what most any1 here doesnt understand is; i am not you people, i have my own personal tastes about games & stuff just as we all do, and what seems like ''devastating or extremly bad'' OR what seems like ''minor'' to the general mmo player population doesnt necessarily have to apply to me:)
Im just pointing out MY thoughts, not trying to agree or fight with anyone.
But yes, cryptic got themselves to be so hated that (and messed up the Star Trek licence in many an mmo player's eyes)
opening a positive thread about the game and writing that i enjoy it or whatever surely attracts many players who feel cheated or pissed by the company.
I agree with the first part of your quoted statement.
But I really don't understand the second part of your statement? Did you expect that you would just be able to "say your piece", everyone would read it, and there would be no commentary? You posted on a General Discussion board. I don't believe anyone is trying to fight with you, but did you expect your positive crtique of the game to generate no response?
heheh...............Nononono,:D
If u read the OP,
you will realize at the end of the OP, i even had posted;
''Flame Shields Up''
Although to be honest, considering that its STO, the responses here in general have been decent:)
I was just trying to say - if at all possible (just in case) lets keep this about the game, and not a personal ''kitchen fight'' throwing cookies at eachother. I mean= not something like: 'I 'Damn/love you for liking the game'' but more like ''you agree/disagree with what i say coz you think the game is good/bad in such and such manner etc....''
Cheers
Krelian,
Could you elaborate on exactly what changed in the crafting system since you stated it was overhauled. To my knowledge all they did was add a counter so you know when you can move from one crafter to the next. The items you craft are still weaker than the ones you get as loot and there are very few people using the crafting at memory alpha.
Also, can you please post again in this thread in 3 to 4 months when you have maxed out 5 RA characters and you have gone through all the content 5 times over and have nothing to do. I would like to see your opinion then and see if you are still happy with the state of the game.
Thanks
you didnt need to clarify, i understood the first time i read your post. the c store as a whole is a pathetic cash grab, putting anything in it is offensive imho. people pay monthly subscriptions for content, and having the c-store (no matter what is in it) is just another way for cryptic to gouge its customers. im sorry you dont see this, as it seems to be becoming very comonplace in subscription mmo's.
personally i find any company taking my money for a product, and using it to develope fluff to sell me a second time rather than work on and complete the product im allready paying for offensive and down right unethical. sto was (or is depending on your opinion) and unfinished game not ready for release. cryptic took the money you and i gave them and used it to create stuff to sell to us a second time rather than finish the product they sold us. THATS WRONG.
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME
Yeah, just look at the level of hate some of these lifers direct at a fellow lifer that feels burned by this month's Cryptic PR/marketing fiasco.
http://forums.startrekonline.com/showthread.php?t=162951
Hell, most of the post period on the forums seem to be lifers. Lifers and people that bought 6 mo/1 year subs are probably about all that's left.
I have heard many things against cash shops, but this argument is completely illogical. Let's say Cryptic charges for subscription $10 instead of $15, then the cash shop would be fine yes or no, let's say they charge for subscription $5 instead. In the end, we pay $15 for the free content, based on that content we decide about playing or quitting.