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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,069

    You'll want to fly a Myrmidon for a BC and a Dominix for your BS.  You'll need excellent drone skills (T2) and eventually, you'll want T2 Sentries (20 day plus train for level 5, with full learning)

    Lots of other great ships in Gallente...just don't be in a hurry to get to BS's..... they are not very forgiving if you don't have the proper skills, where as most Battlecruisers are lot friendler in this regard.

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  • wootinwootin Member Posts: 259
    Originally posted by Tekton

    Originally posted by nikoa

    Originally posted by Tekton I find a ton of anomalies but no gravimetric ones, am I doing something wrong? I covered alot of space, hitting up like 15-20 anomalies but no gravimetric, working as intended?

    That mission is hard and not newbie friendly.  I had the same problem as well.

    Step 1: Go to youtube and look for scanning videos, they will help a lot

    Step 2: Deploy four of your probes and make their area search big, like 1 stage lower than HUGE, and send them everywhere.

    Step 3:  Bookmark any other 100% sites you find, like RADAR etc cause you will have to find them later anyway for that mission.

    Step 4: You find a gravimetric training site but its not 99%.  Check out where you found it, send all the probes there and make their scranning area smaller.

    Step 5: Repeat step 4 applying what you learned in the youtube videos till you have it 100%.  Warp to it and score :)

     

    Agreed and agreed, although I have to hand it to CCP, by the end of the tutorial I kind of got the hang of it. It was the most frustrating thing I've done in-game (and more frustrating than alot of other games as well) yet, but when I got the hang of it it was pretty fun to be honest.

     

    Like a guy in random chat said: "Imagine the probes are boobs, just jiggle them around a bit" <-- truth!

     

    So now that I got the tutorial missions done, located the start of the epic arc and feel I got the basics down, it's time to go in depth... Like researching what battlecruiser to go for, what moduleskills to train etc etc. Any hints are very welcome, I'm Galente if it matters. Probably wont use the BC for a very long time, I'll use it for lvl 3 missions until I can afford a BS (any hints regarding that is also welcome!)

     

    Drone skillz. Bigtime. As a Gallente combat char, your goal is Tech II drones and eventually T2 Sentry drones. You just drop them by your tanked up ship and you can AFK most level 3 and 4 missions as the drones will just shoot up everyfrigginthing in the mission zone.

    Seriously.

     

  • TektonTekton Member UncommonPosts: 86
    Originally posted by Kyleran


    You'll want to fly a Myrmidon for a BC and a Dominix for your BS.  You'll need excellent drone skills (T2) and eventually, you'll want T2 Sentries (20 day plus train for level 5, with full learning)
    Lots of other great ships in Gallente...just don't be in a hurry to get to BS's..... they are not very forgiving if you don't have the proper skills, where as most Battlecruisers are lot friendler in this regard.

     

    Yeah I saw the Myrmidon in EVEMon and I thought that was the one I was gonna get pointed to. I don't know if I am looking at the right drones in EVEMon (Combat Drones > Heavy Attack Drones > Any of the II drones) but those I'm looking at is sitting at a whooping 59d training time, can't be right can it?

     

    How long can I run my BC effectively without it being inferior? Lvl 3 missions? 4?

     

    Is Kyleran your in-game name? Mind if I shoot you some questions come friday?

     

    Edit: Oh and by the way, I was kind of looking to aim for the Megathron for my BS, is the Dominix better?

  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297
    Originally posted by Tekton

    Originally posted by Kyleran


    You'll want to fly a Myrmidon for a BC and a Dominix for your BS.  You'll need excellent drone skills (T2) and eventually, you'll want T2 Sentries (20 day plus train for level 5, with full learning)
    Lots of other great ships in Gallente...just don't be in a hurry to get to BS's..... they are not very forgiving if you don't have the proper skills, where as most Battlecruisers are lot friendler in this regard.

     

    Yeah I saw the Myrmidon in EVEMon and I thought that was the one I was gonna get pointed to. I don't know if I am looking at the right drones in EVEMon (Combat Drones > Heavy Attack Drones > Any of the II drones) but those I'm looking at is sitting at a whooping 59d training time, can't be right can it?

     

    How long can I run my BC effectively without it being inferior? Lvl 3 missions? 4?

     

    Is Kyleran your in-game name? Mind if I shoot you some questions come friday?

     

    Edit: Oh and by the way, I was kind of looking to aim for the Megathron for my BS, is the Dominix better?



     

    The Dominix is generally better than the Megathron IMO.

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  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,069
    Originally posted by Tekton

    Originally posted by Kyleran


    You'll want to fly a Myrmidon for a BC and a Dominix for your BS.  You'll need excellent drone skills (T2) and eventually, you'll want T2 Sentries (20 day plus train for level 5, with full learning)
    Lots of other great ships in Gallente...just don't be in a hurry to get to BS's..... they are not very forgiving if you don't have the proper skills, where as most Battlecruisers are lot friendler in this regard.

     

    Yeah I saw the Myrmidon in EVEMon and I thought that was the one I was gonna get pointed to. I don't know if I am looking at the right drones in EVEMon (Combat Drones > Heavy Attack Drones > Any of the II drones) but those I'm looking at is sitting at a whooping 59d training time, can't be right can it?

     

    How long can I run my BC effectively without it being inferior? Lvl 3 missions? 4?

     

    Is Kyleran your in-game name? Mind if I shoot you some questions come friday?

     

    Edit: Oh and by the way, I was kind of looking to aim for the Megathron for my BS, is the Dominix better?

    Rule of thumb says BC's are used for level 3's and BS's for level 4, but many level 4's can be run by a BC if your drone skills are good. (T2)

    And yes, 59d training sounds about right, get used to it, will probably take another 2-3 months to fit T2 guns on a Megathron. (EVE is a game for the patient)

    Mega vs Domi, depends on the role.  Domi is a drone monster, so its great for PVE ratting and close engagements. When you get out to significant range (over 100KM) then the Mega is the ship you want.  Ultimately you'll need to train both but I'd go for drones first.

    And no, Kyleran is not my in game name.  (it has fantasy roots, the original Bard's tale 1 from the 80's single player game)

     

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  • TektonTekton Member UncommonPosts: 86

    Am I interpreting it right when saying that Mega is more for PvP?

     

    Thanks for all the advice!

  • DubbleedgeDubbleedge Member Posts: 72

    Welcome to New Eden, always nice to see a new pilot. Hope things are going well for ya!

     

    --Laedien Boulderan, Gallentean, Tech II inventor

    The Sundered Guard

  • DubbleedgeDubbleedge Member Posts: 72
    Originally posted by Tekton


    Am I interpreting it right when saying that Mega is more for PvP?
     
    Thanks for all the advice!

     

    Depends on the situation. Realistically, everything has it's place in PVP in eve. The tiniest little interceptor can completely cripple your battleship. Everything depends on how you set yourself up for combat and what the other guy has himself set up as :)

    -Laedien Boulderan

    The Sundered Guard.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,069
    Originally posted by Tekton


    Am I interpreting it right when saying that Mega is more for PvP?
     
    Thanks for all the advice!

     

    Yeah, that's where I've seen them used most often.  Domis are a used more often for close in PVP and they excel at PVE.

    But as was mentioned, every ship has its use at the right time.

     

    "True friends stab you in the front." | Oscar Wilde 

    "I need to finish" - Christian Wolff: The Accountant

    Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm

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  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297
    Originally posted by Tekton

    Originally posted by Kyleran


    You'll want to fly a Myrmidon for a BC and a Dominix for your BS.  You'll need excellent drone skills (T2) and eventually, you'll want T2 Sentries (20 day plus train for level 5, with full learning)
    Lots of other great ships in Gallente...just don't be in a hurry to get to BS's..... they are not very forgiving if you don't have the proper skills, where as most Battlecruisers are lot friendler in this regard.

     

    Yeah I saw the Myrmidon in EVEMon and I thought that was the one I was gonna get pointed to. I don't know if I am looking at the right drones in EVEMon (Combat Drones > Heavy Attack Drones > Any of the II drones) but those I'm looking at is sitting at a whooping 59d training time, can't be right can it?

     

    How long can I run my BC effectively without it being inferior? Lvl 3 missions? 4?

     

    Is Kyleran your in-game name? Mind if I shoot you some questions come friday?

     

    Edit: Oh and by the way, I was kind of looking to aim for the Megathron for my BS, is the Dominix better?

     

    You dont have to have T2 heavy drones. They just make things quicker.

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

  • TektonTekton Member UncommonPosts: 86

    Yeah I figured after checking it out. I think I reworked my strategy, first off I was planning to just use the BC for a short while, while training for a BS. But I think I'll stick with the BC for a while, training most of the skills up to T2 for it. Then going on and training  BS stuff to T2 as well, no point in rushing things and certainly no point in flying something you fly crappy, right?

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342


    Originally posted by Tekton
    Yeah I figured after checking it out. I think I reworked my strategy, first off I was planning to just use the BC for a short while, while training for a BS. But I think I'll stick with the BC for a while, training most of the skills up to T2 for it. Then going on and training  BS stuff to T2 as well, no point in rushing things and certainly no point in flying something you fly crappy, right?

    Maybe I missed it but what you want to do in EVE?

    If you want to run missions, there is no reason to bother with BC, especialy if you intend to fly gallente ships.

  • TektonTekton Member UncommonPosts: 86

    I've only been playing for 3 days so I don't really know to be honest. I figured something in the lines like this:

     

    1. Get a decent ship and decent skills to do some PvE and get the ISK coming in.

     

    2. Train for a retriever and do some mining, I've always liked crafting and EVE's crafting system seems like fun.

     

    3. PvP, in what extent I do not know yet but I will definatley want to do some PvP.

     

    4. Exploring, the scanning tutorial bloody sucked arse, but I reckon when you get a decent ship along with decent skills in this aspect it will be alot more fun, the things inside wormholes and the other stuff (radar and yad yada) seems fun and rewarding.

     

    That's all I can come up with now, mainly me and my more experienced (he hasn't played for 2 years but still) buddy wants to have some fun, find a good friendly corp and just enjoy ourselfs.

  • GdemamiGdemami Member EpicPosts: 12,342


    Originally posted by Tekton
    I've only been playing for 3 days so I don't really know to be honest. I figured something in the lines like this:
     
    1. Get a decent ship and decent skills to do some PvE and get the ISK coming in.
     
    2. Train for a retriever and do some mining, I've always liked crafting and EVE's crafting system seems like fun.
     
    3. PvP, in what extent I do not know yet but I will definatley want to do some PvP.
     
    4. Exploring, the scanning tutorial bloody sucked arse, but I reckon when you get a decent ship along with decent skills in this aspect it will be alot more fun, the things inside wormholes and the other stuff (radar and yad yada) seems fun and rewarding.
     
    That's all I can come up with now, mainly me and my more experienced (he hasn't played for 2 years but still) buddy wants to have some fun, find a good friendly corp and just enjoy ourselfs.

    You have just listed 4 very different apsect of the game. I hate to say it but trying everything is not very effective.

    1) Make a combat oriented trial account to see how PVE in the game is.

    2) Make a mining oriented trial account to see how mining is.

    3) Make a PVP oriented Minmatar preferably) trial account, join FW, Red vs Blue or just head out to low sec to see how PVP is.

    4) Make a exploring oriented trial account to see how exploring is.


    A few warnings:
    2) EVE has got working economy so mining is separate proffesion from crafting and in fact anything else. That means you do not craft sideways to your main activity to make your own ships and stuff.

    Industry system is very skill point intensive and very competitive.

    4) Exploring as such is mostly non-combat activity. You fly around cloaked, probe for sites and ships.


    In all cases, read as much as you can about the game to understand how the game works.

  • KyleranKyleran Member LegendaryPosts: 44,069
    Originally posted by Gdemami


     

    Originally posted by Tekton

    I've only been playing for 3 days so I don't really know to be honest. I figured something in the lines like this:

     

    1. Get a decent ship and decent skills to do some PvE and get the ISK coming in.

     

    2. Train for a retriever and do some mining, I've always liked crafting and EVE's crafting system seems like fun.

     

    3. PvP, in what extent I do not know yet but I will definatley want to do some PvP.

     

    4. Exploring, the scanning tutorial bloody sucked arse, but I reckon when you get a decent ship along with decent skills in this aspect it will be alot more fun, the things inside wormholes and the other stuff (radar and yad yada) seems fun and rewarding.

     

    That's all I can come up with now, mainly me and my more experienced (he hasn't played for 2 years but still) buddy wants to have some fun, find a good friendly corp and just enjoy ourselfs.

     

    You have just listed 4 very different apsect of the game. I hate to say it but trying everything is not very effective.

    1) Make a combat oriented trial account to see how PVE in the game is.

    2) Make a mining oriented trial account to see how mining is.

    3) Make a PVP oriented Minmatar preferably) trial account, join FW, Red vs Blue or just head out to low sec to see how PVP is.

    4) Make a exploring oriented trial account to see how exploring is.



    A few warnings:

    2) EVE has got working economy so mining is separate proffesion from crafting and in fact anything else. That means you do not craft sideways to your main activity to make your own ships and stuff.

    Industry system is very skill point intensive and very competitive.

    4) Exploring as such is mostly non-combat activity. You fly around cloaked, probe for sites and ships.



    In all cases, read as much as you can about the game to understand how the game works.

    IMO, its not quite this complicated.  If you think you might want to PVP some day (and you should, its the best part of EVE) then you're going to want good combat skills.  Now the quandry is, how do I earn ISK to fund them.  While there's lots of ways to make money in EVE, however it will take you time to learn the game (and train the skills)  before you can be very successful in some of them like market trading.

    In this case, I recommend you plan on going the road of the mission runner or system ratter.  Almost all of the skills you train for running missions will be equally useful in PVP down the road, and unless you plan to sell GTC's for ISK you're going to have to develop an  income stream to fund your skill training, ship advancement and one day your PVP perhaps.

    Mission running isn't sexy, nor extremely exciting (though I tend to like it actually) and you get to shoot stuff, even if it is NPC's without much of a brain.

    Train for the Dominix and T2 Drones.and be able to remote repair and you can quickly find yourself in a wormhole corp where you can make easily a billion or more a month killing sleepers. (Advanced NPC's that can be quite challenging at times)

    You'll also need Covert OPs/Scanning, but these arent too hard to nail down either.  All in all if you go this route I'd say you could be doing this in about 6-9 months.  Does this sound like a long time?  Yes, it is, and EVE is a game of patience.

    But you can still have fun along the way, you'll be earning enough ISK to pvp in small T1 ships if you like (which is the best time to practice since you'll lose a lot)

    Now the path I've laid out is only one of a couple dozen you could go, and I won't lie, some folks hate it and will decry doing it, but its not a bad way to get started and you can always change paths like I did and head out to 0.0 at about the 4 or 5 month mark.

    But hey, I know people who went to 0.0 at day 3...... all a matter of how you chose to play the game.

     

     

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  • MalcanisMalcanis Member UncommonPosts: 3,297
    Originally posted by Tekton


    Yeah I figured after checking it out. I think I reworked my strategy, first off I was planning to just use the BC for a short while, while training for a BS. But I think I'll stick with the BC for a while, training most of the skills up to T2 for it. Then going on and training  BS stuff to T2 as well, no point in rushing things and certainly no point in flying something you fly crappy, right?



     

    Absolutely correct. It's good to see a new player who can work this out for himself. Quite a few players never bother with Battleships because they have more fun in smaller ships. In the end, you'll be most effective in the ships you enjoy flying. Some players love the feeling of power and invincibility being in a huge, heavily armed battleship gives; others enjoy the challange of being in a lighter, more agile ship and using maneuverability to compensate for lighter armour. Some spend virtually all their time in Frigate size hulls like interceptors, interdictors and

    Personally, I love flying T2 Cruisers -  HACs, Recons, Logistics. For making ISK I fly a Navy Raven, because it's effective and easy, but it's pretty dull, and after 3.5 years I still only have battleship 4, cruise missiles 4. I can still crank out 100M+ ISK in an evening of semi-AFK play.

    Give me liberty or give me lasers

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