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Why STO doesn't work as a MMO
Breezeycouk
Member Posts: 82
Duders, Ladies et al,
How can this be a MMO if there are artifical boundries ???
Now I admit the only MMO's I have bought of the shelf are SWG and WoW but at least you didn't run in to an blank wall on these??
Do not pass go, do not collect your 200 Cryptic points.....
Jeez - I have a space ship but it runs in to invisible walls or bounces off planets ??? - And I paid a £!50.00 for this ???? -( feel free to insert suitable four letter word)
But the stupid thing is I will keep playing this in the absence of anything better ???
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Oh hay, It's ANOTHER thread about STO not being an mmo. How new and exciting!
Anarchy Online
Everquest II
Neocron
WoW
AoC
LOTRO
EvE
all have zones with edges and "walls" with a gateway into the adjacent zone.
For all you know, it could be completely realistic, its not like anyone has been that deep into space to know
Um Yeah....
So far I have shelled out nearly £200.00 on this mmo...
(Beta key, lifetime sub, retail pack etc)
And it is just a load of instances - GO here, kill this / scan (scam) this / return .... repeat forever
But only in the boxes we tell you to go to - Good little lab rat....
Its not a "living" galaxy game - SWG or WoW dont set boundries to this level - more and more I see this as a cheap IP rip off
Can'r be bothered to argue any more - my Brain has impolded
Ummm...
Cos it a static image it doesn't show my Stopship not moving forward...
Thats it - that as far as the devs let you go....
But of course - STO are still advertising on MMORPG........
SWG didn't .....
I could do a whole lap of a (albeit) small planet if I so wanted
Major difference in the perceived size of the zones relative to the player. STO feels like little boxes. But you already knew what he meant and decided to play this card anyway right?
And who's to blame for this? Hmmm? It's not as if there weren't ample threads warning you of just the things you're now complaining about.
SWG didn't .....
I could do a whole lap of a (albeit) small planet if I so wanted
Sorry, no. SWG did have borders at their map edges.
Ummm...
Cos it a static image it doesn't show my Stopship not moving forward...
Thats it - that as far as the devs let you go....
But of course - STO are still advertising on MMORPG........
Way to completely miss the point of this rather brilliant comment.
{Insert cliche Star Trek reference} "Captain's Log, Stardate 43198.7. The crew is busily working at their stations. They are so into their jobs they refuse to eat or sleep. I think we may be infected by some parasite. Further analysis is requested, but the good doctor refuses to respond to my commands. Star Fleet refuses to acknowledge the problem exists and would rather send me to random planets to flip on/off switches on a random console. Communications with the U.S.S SpaceMadness have shown this "contagion" is spreading at an alarming rate. Fortunately, this "disease" doesn't seem to effect the commanding officer. For that, I am grateful."
"Captain's Log. Stardate 43199.9. Some energy field has apparently surrounded deep space. A large sign blocks our path and prevents us from firing the FTL drives. I am perplexed by this, but Star Fleet offers no explanation. When I signed up for this I wanted to boldly go where no one has gone before. When will the madness end?!"
If you want a refund/chargeback keep reading... I'm considering by your post that you're aware this game is broken beyond possible repair in any foreseeable future as a MMO. You don't need to waste the equivalent to over $200 and quietly accept and regret it.
Originally posted by Dinendae (http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3394308 ):
"You don 't need to get sneaky with your credit card/bank/paypal/whatever; Cryptic is giving lifetime refunds, as long as you do two things:
1) Call Cryptic's Billing & Account section (US phone number: +1-408-404-1714 UK phone number: 0870 490 0617) found at the following Cryptic webpage near the bottom: www.startrekonline.com/support/billing
2) Don't take no for an answer; whomever you speak to will more than likely try to talk you out of it, or may say that it isn't possible. Just don't let them sell you on that idea: Cryptic is still giving lifetime refunds because technically, the subscription hasn't started yet; everyone is still in their thirty days free period, which came with the actual box/download. If they give you a real hard time about it, let them know that your next action if they continue to refuse will be a chargeback; you may find that will put them in a more receptive mood. If you truly do wish a refund on a lifetime subscription, get one now; once the 30 days ends, you are out of luck getting one from Cryptic since the subscription will have started.
On a similar note, do not wait until day 29 or day 30 to try and get one either; do it now if you absolutely want a refund. If you can't get through or if Cryptic absolutely refuses a refund, you will need to go through your bank (or whatever institution you used to make the payment). Most banks, credit card companies, etc. will not do chargebacks like this past 30 days and it generally takes time to get it to go through; if you wait to long, it may exceed the alloted time before everything gets properly processed."
Major difference in the perceived size of the zones relative to the player. STO feels like little boxes. But you already knew what he meant and decided to play this card anyway right?
The OP is talking about zones. You are talking about instances. Instances are a type of zone. In fact, they are many copies of the same zone. However, they, themselves, do not have "limiting boundaries"... that would be zones.
nikoliath was right on the money. OP claims that because "STO has artificial boundaries to it's areas that it isn't an MMO". Therefore, since all the games that nikoliath have artificial boundaries as well, then they "aren't considered MMOs" as well.
I would also like to add a few more names to that list of games with arbitrary boundaries that are considered by the OP to be Ex-MMOs.
Based on the OP, this website would be pretty bare of MMORPG's.
Ummm...
Cos it a static image it doesn't show my Stopship not moving forward...
Thats it - that as far as the devs let you go....
But of course - STO are still advertising on MMORPG........
Way to completely miss the point of this rather brilliant comment.
Yeah - Doh !!@ Me for being a flat earther
- but this is the "sector" next to Sol so does this mean that the entire Universe is a 3d rectangluar box which is very shallow and our solar system is in the "top" left hand corner ???
/discuss & prove your theory with workings....
Eve Online doesn't have these imaginary walls either.
In an Eve system you can keep going with your micro-warpdrive on for hours if you have the cap. You will never hit a wall.
Also the jump gates in Eve are not instance to instance. Eve is not instanced at all in space.
I always find it amazing how many misconceptions there are about Eve. I've heard ppl say there are no missions, there is no pve, you'll never catch up etc etc.
Go get a trial of Eve, A) get in your ship,
go forward in space, C) take a vaction to Europe for 2 weeks and then come back.
You will see that you are still moving forward.
The catch here is : INVISIBLE walls.
When I run into a mountain or the boundaries of a wall of a city: no problem.
When I run into an empty space or a 2D forest or a planet that's there but simply is just a nice 2D window dresser, that's the invisible wall.
WOW is - from that list above - the only one you can fly over all obstacles in each continent since TBC and Wotlk content (upgrade of old Azeroth in Cata).
All the rest works with fake 2D boundaries, only the very bad work with invisible walls.
EVE is not even having a gravity and trivial things like landscape, forests to walk in or mountains to climb. So insignificant example.
Want a real mmorpg? Play WOW with experience turned off mode and be Pve_Pvp King at any level without a rat race.
Major difference in the perceived size of the zones relative to the player. STO feels like little boxes. But you already knew what he meant and decided to play this card anyway right?
The OP is talking about zones. You are talking about instances. Instances are a type of zone. In fact, they are many copies of the same zone. However, they, themselves, do not have "limiting boundaries"... that would be zones.
nikoliath was right on the money. OP claims that because "STO has artificial boundaries to it's areas that it isn't an MMO". Therefore, since all the games that nikoliath have artificial boundaries as well, then they "aren't considered MMOs" as well.
I would also like to add a few more names to that list of games with arbitrary boundaries that are considered by the OP to be Ex-MMOs.
Based on the OP, this website would be pretty bare of MMORPG's.
Wow, talk about deliberetely misintepreting what the OP meant. He clearly showed with a picture what he meant and if it was not clear is that in SPACE, which by definition has no boundaries, there is a large sign saying this is the border and if you pass that artifical border you get the question if you want to warp to the adjacent zone.
First of all arent you already in warp in the sector map? Do you need to double warp just to pass an invisible border?
Secondly, games like Eve has HUGE zones. Maybe 100 times as large as in STO and in that game the jumping of one zone to another is logically explained with the use of jump gates. Something that does not exist in Star Trek and creates the illogical warp when already in warp situation.
All the other games listed there are not in space (except SWG) so there the boundaries can be logically explained by mountains or other geographical limits.
And lastly, this has been said before but needs to be repeated. Zones in STO are tiny, smallest I have ever seen in any MMOG including the prequel CO. How is that for irony. A game developed, by the same company, makes the zones in a game based in endlessness of space smaller than one which is based on being on Earth.
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How many of them had signs up?