Companies would still call it the norm to deliver unfinished buggy games and .....damn they still do that despite Blizzard showing them it is stupid ....
Blizzard releases updates (patches, expansions) to WoW with bugs, non working content, lag and all other bad stuff too. I don't remember any update released without these problems in all my WoW experience which continues since NA open beta. But they win audience through vast variety of content and due to the fact tat they pay attention to the bugs and they repair them. At the cost of commercial subscribers, who are forced to be beta testers while paying subscribtion, but still they do fixes and manage to convince players that they are doing it right :-).
There would be less opportunity for bitter nerd rage and analogies involving Brittany Spears/McDonalds. Another game would be taking the blame for the MMO worlds woes. People would be making topics on here wondering if we'll ever see a proper EQ style game with 40 man raids.
Because of WoW we as gamers lifted our expectations of a MMORPG to a whole new level. This in itself is a good thing (development of better games) and a bad thing (lots of MMORPG's not being able to reach the expectations). WoW is a blessing and a curse. I also agree with the posters above. If Blizzard hadn't developed the monster WoW is today, someone else would've.
Exactly.
All it really took to kick the crap out of the old mmo market was a game that took its time to improve quality and address what players wanted.
If wow never released the market would still be rather small and a few games of 200k would rule the roost, because so few people are willing to put up with the condition and direction mmos were heading.
Eventually some company would take their time and improve quality and fun factor of their mmo and totally dominate the market as wow has while other companies continue to fumble around trying to emulate gameplay instead of emulate the business decisions that created the game that dominates.
If WoW had never existed: There would be no global warming, Israelies and Palastinians would live in peace and harmony with each other, we would have colonized Mars, we would have a cure for all types of cancer, and puppies would never piddle on the floor.
Ok, at the very least maybe nobody would have invented quest grinding so we would have been spared that misery and maybe mmorpgs wouldn't feel so much like single player games now.
MMOs would still have lousy UIs, harsh death penalties, massive grinds, wouldn't be all that intuitive or FUN or exciting. Pretty much, they'd still be boring nerd hobbies that normal people have zero interest in. Games that we think stink now would actually be considered GREAT, because the standards for good game design would still be in the toilet like they were pre-2004.
I certainly wouldn't be playing MMOs. UO and EQ disgusted me. AO frustrated me to all hell and DAOC hammered the final nail in the coffin with me never wanting to touch a MMO ever again...until a few years later with WOW. WOW saved the genre for me and most others.
If MMOs before WOW were so great, people who started with WOW would have moved to other MMOs afterwards. As we can tell, that just didn't happen. Most people use WOW as a baseline for whats considered fun. MMOs before WOW can't touch it. MMOs after have had a tough time just keeping up.
Without WOW, the genre would still be completely niche. Nobody would really care. EQ2 would probably be the current standard which says A LOT about how sad a state we'd be in!!!
Now, Blizzard is an undisputed king of the MMO world. As i scroll through the game list waiting for my time card on WoW to expire i thought to myself, "What would the development of the MMO industry would be today with out world of warcraft?" I am bored of WoW i hit 80 and that was enough for me, but others love the game, and i also heard a report from blizzard that they hit the climax of subscribers in 2008. So in a world with out warcraft not to far away? How would have our lives and society been changed if blizzard hadn't made this multi billion dollar game. Who would be the king of the industry today if it was not blizzard.
With how internet have developed over past decated and people have way more easy excess to online gaming there would prolly be another big boy dominating scene or several smaller ones been succes then now just one.
I think if WoW was not on market we would prolly have EQ2 AoC GW that lead the mmo community or maybe even other mmo's that are dead now still up and running who knows.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
If we did not have WOW the mmo genre would be just fine. Everquest would have grown alot more and we would have more innovative mmos today. It seems once mmos go maintream everything that is agood about a mmo gets dumbed down so the masses can play.
MMOs would still have lousy UIs, harsh death penalties, massive grinds, wouldn't be all that intuitive or FUN or exciting. Pretty much, they'd still be boring nerd hobbies that normal people have zero interest in. Games that we think stink now would actually be considered GREAT, because the standards for good game design would still be in the toilet like they were pre-2004. I certainly wouldn't be playing MMOs. UO and EQ disgusted me. AO frustrated me to all hell and DAOC hammered the final nail in the coffin with me never wanting to touch a MMO ever again...until a few years later with WOW. WOW saved the genre for me and most others. If MMOs before WOW were so great, people who started with WOW would have moved to other MMOs afterwards. As we can tell, that just didn't happen. Most people use WOW as a baseline for whats considered fun. MMOs before WOW can't touch it. MMOs after have had a tough time just keeping up. Without WOW, the genre would still be completely niche. Nobody would really care. EQ2 would probably be the current standard which says A LOT about how sad a state we'd be in!!!
But WoW lower the quality of mmorpgs WoW is a terible mmorpg its for mass that want easy thempark no thinking casual carebear crap.
I dare say its blizzard who made market mediocre and lower quality.
Becouse more play mmo's now dont mean quality go up lol.
And WoW for sure is not quality thats a fact.
At least we would have way more different kind of mmorpgs and innovation and that stopped with WoW when that arrived on market WoW is a curse we can't get rid of easely im affraid.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009..... In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
A world without WoW would probably place SOE at top of the food chain, with other companies following their footsteps. Do you guys really want that?
I was a hardcore EQ1 fan, still is to this day except I can't stand SOE anymore. I don't like how they run their business, I don't like how they shove RMT down EQ1 players' throats. I don't like how they create more fluff content for online cash shops & online trading card games than they have them ingame. I don't like their shared resources model where they pull devs from games that really need developer resources, to their new ventures such as Free Realms, DCUO, The Agency, etc.. I don't like how they take the money they make from players spending money into RMT in say, EQ1...and use them to fund Free Realms or other games' advertisements. I don't like how SOE rarely release content patches in between expansions, unlike Blizzard/WoW. I don't like how SOE rarely advertise their games, it's as if they don't care to pull players to their existing games.
A world without WoW would be a lot more scary today, and people would most likely be complaining about SOE and lack of choices. While WoW did model after EQ initially, WoW has changed & evolved a lot ever since vanilla WoW. You don't have to like WoW to know that WoW is a quality game that a lot of gamers like. People say they get bored of WoW easy, all I can ask is, what other games are keeping you subscribed for more than a few months at a time currently? It seems right now more and more people are just jumping from game to game every few months.
If it wasn't for WoW, the MMORPG market would not exist today.
Amazing that there are people out there that actually think this way.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
If it wasn't for WoW, the MMORPG market would not exist today.
Amazing that there are people out there that actually think this way.
Albeit a little too general, there is truth in the pink test.
I would word it more like this:
If it wasn't for WoW,the MMORPG market would nnot exist as it is today.
WoW impacted this genre in every single way, for good or bad, its impact has been huge...that is the history. It is what happened. So, without WoW, it would be different. Maybe bigger, maybe smaller, maybe better, mabye worse; but it would not be the same. WoW is one of the biggest factors in creating the modern industry. This mmo market would not exist without it.
If it wasn't for WoW, the MMORPG market would not exist today.
I disagree with that. However I do think without WoW, there would be a lot less people playing MMO's today. And most likely there would be less MMO's produced, because WoW is what companies show to investors when they are looking for funding for a MMO. Without having WoW to showcase to investors, people may not give these companies as much money to make new MMO's.
Albeit a little too general, there is truth in the pink test. I would word it more like this: If it wasn't for WoW,the MMORPG market would nnot exist as it is today. LOL. That's not at all what Mr. Chan was trying to say. He said the mmo market would not exist today. Not that it would not exist as it is today. Big difference. WoW impacted this genre in every single way, for good or bad, its impact has been huge...that is the history. It is what happened. So, without WoW, it would be different. Maybe bigger, maybe smaller, maybe better, mabye worse; but it would not be the same. WoW is one of the biggest factors in creating the modern industry. This mmo market would not exist without it.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Albeit a little too general, there is truth in the pink test. I would word it more like this: If it wasn't for WoW,the MMORPG market would nnot exist as it is today. LOL. That's not at all what Mr. Chan was trying to say. He said the mmo market would not exist today. Not that it would not exist as it is today. Big difference. WoW impacted this genre in every single way, for good or bad, its impact has been huge...that is the history. It is what happened. So, without WoW, it would be different. Maybe bigger, maybe smaller, maybe better, mabye worse; but it would not be the same. WoW is one of the biggest factors in creating the modern industry. This mmo market would not exist without it.
Don't call me "Mr." Chan >.<. "Chan usually is used addressing a little kid, pets or even young women, usually someone you may consider cute, and close to you.".
Unless you think I'm cute. *wink*. Maybe we can exchange digits? *nudge*
The answer is easy. There wouldnt be any mmo's if it wasent for wow.
There were MMOs before WOW and there would be after WOW. WOWs 11 million did nothing for the industry other than for WOW. They hop to other games from time to time and find out its not like WOW and run back. The only thing that might be different is that there might still be some creativity besides the clones that currently come out.
Don't call me "Mr." Chan >.<. "Chan usually is used addressing a little kid, pets or even young women, usually someone you may consider cute, and close to you.".
Unless you think I'm cute. *wink*. Maybe we can exchange digits? *nudge*
But seriously I was addressing you as chan because it's a part of your user name for this site. Didn't mean to offend, sorry.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Don't call me "Mr." Chan >.<. "Chan usually is used addressing a little kid, pets or even young women, usually someone you may consider cute, and close to you.".
Unless you think I'm cute. *wink*. Maybe we can exchange digits? *nudge*
But seriously I was addressing you as chan because it's a part of your user name for this site. Didn't mean to offend, sorry.
Lol, I wasn't being serious anyway. I was just teasing.
I don't see how some can say WoW represents the mmo genre and without it we wouldn't be successful. WoW is nothing more than a dumbed-down copy of what was out there in 2005. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it is good for you in the long run.
Lol, I wasn't being serious anyway. I was just teasing.
Ah phew, I thought I unknowingly said something racist to you. I shall address you as Esther from now on, just to be safe
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I don't see how some can say WoW represents the mmo genre and without it we wouldn't be successful. WoW is nothing more than a dumbed-down copy of what was out there in 2005. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it is good for you in the long run.
Me and my RL friends that started playing WOW in 2004, did so because we were big fans of the Warcraft RTS games as well as Diablo 2. I often wonder how many started playing for the same reasons.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
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Sometimes i feel like reading Othello
Other times a movie like forced vengeance will do
The following statement is false
The previous statement is true
Blizzard releases updates (patches, expansions) to WoW with bugs, non working content, lag and all other bad stuff too. I don't remember any update released without these problems in all my WoW experience which continues since NA open beta. But they win audience through vast variety of content and due to the fact tat they pay attention to the bugs and they repair them. At the cost of commercial subscribers, who are forced to be beta testers while paying subscribtion, but still they do fixes and manage to convince players that they are doing it right :-).
Show me the off switch, I'll press it.
(and no, not the one on my computer or wall socket. Nice try though)
There would be less opportunity for bitter nerd rage and analogies involving Brittany Spears/McDonalds. Another game would be taking the blame for the MMO worlds woes. People would be making topics on here wondering if we'll ever see a proper EQ style game with 40 man raids.
I'd probably still be playing EQ. I've never tried LotR or DAoC. Maybe w/o WoW, I would have.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Exactly.
All it really took to kick the crap out of the old mmo market was a game that took its time to improve quality and address what players wanted.
If wow never released the market would still be rather small and a few games of 200k would rule the roost, because so few people are willing to put up with the condition and direction mmos were heading.
Eventually some company would take their time and improve quality and fun factor of their mmo and totally dominate the market as wow has while other companies continue to fumble around trying to emulate gameplay instead of emulate the business decisions that created the game that dominates.
If WoW had never existed: There would be no global warming, Israelies and Palastinians would live in peace and harmony with each other, we would have colonized Mars, we would have a cure for all types of cancer, and puppies would never piddle on the floor.
Ok, at the very least maybe nobody would have invented quest grinding so we would have been spared that misery and maybe mmorpgs wouldn't feel so much like single player games now.
MMOs would still have lousy UIs, harsh death penalties, massive grinds, wouldn't be all that intuitive or FUN or exciting. Pretty much, they'd still be boring nerd hobbies that normal people have zero interest in. Games that we think stink now would actually be considered GREAT, because the standards for good game design would still be in the toilet like they were pre-2004.
I certainly wouldn't be playing MMOs. UO and EQ disgusted me. AO frustrated me to all hell and DAOC hammered the final nail in the coffin with me never wanting to touch a MMO ever again...until a few years later with WOW. WOW saved the genre for me and most others.
If MMOs before WOW were so great, people who started with WOW would have moved to other MMOs afterwards. As we can tell, that just didn't happen. Most people use WOW as a baseline for whats considered fun. MMOs before WOW can't touch it. MMOs after have had a tough time just keeping up.
Without WOW, the genre would still be completely niche. Nobody would really care. EQ2 would probably be the current standard which says A LOT about how sad a state we'd be in!!!
With how internet have developed over past decated and people have way more easy excess to online gaming there would prolly be another big boy dominating scene or several smaller ones been succes then now just one.
I think if WoW was not on market we would prolly have EQ2 AoC GW that lead the mmo community or maybe even other mmo's that are dead now still up and running who knows.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
If we did not have WOW the mmo genre would be just fine. Everquest would have grown alot more and we would have more innovative mmos today. It seems once mmos go maintream everything that is agood about a mmo gets dumbed down so the masses can play.
But WoW lower the quality of mmorpgs WoW is a terible mmorpg its for mass that want easy thempark no thinking casual carebear crap.
I dare say its blizzard who made market mediocre and lower quality.
Becouse more play mmo's now dont mean quality go up lol.
And WoW for sure is not quality thats a fact.
At least we would have way more different kind of mmorpgs and innovation and that stopped with WoW when that arrived on market WoW is a curse we can't get rid of easely im affraid.
Games played:AC1-Darktide'99-2000-AC2-Darktide/dawnsong2003-2005,Lineage2-2005-2006 and now Darkfall-2009.....
In between WoW few months AoC few months and some f2p also all very short few weeks.
A world without WoW would probably place SOE at top of the food chain, with other companies following their footsteps. Do you guys really want that?
I was a hardcore EQ1 fan, still is to this day except I can't stand SOE anymore. I don't like how they run their business, I don't like how they shove RMT down EQ1 players' throats. I don't like how they create more fluff content for online cash shops & online trading card games than they have them ingame. I don't like their shared resources model where they pull devs from games that really need developer resources, to their new ventures such as Free Realms, DCUO, The Agency, etc.. I don't like how they take the money they make from players spending money into RMT in say, EQ1...and use them to fund Free Realms or other games' advertisements. I don't like how SOE rarely release content patches in between expansions, unlike Blizzard/WoW. I don't like how SOE rarely advertise their games, it's as if they don't care to pull players to their existing games.
A world without WoW would be a lot more scary today, and people would most likely be complaining about SOE and lack of choices. While WoW did model after EQ initially, WoW has changed & evolved a lot ever since vanilla WoW. You don't have to like WoW to know that WoW is a quality game that a lot of gamers like. People say they get bored of WoW easy, all I can ask is, what other games are keeping you subscribed for more than a few months at a time currently? It seems right now more and more people are just jumping from game to game every few months.
EQ1-AC1-DAOC-FFXI-L2-EQ2-WoW-DDO-GW-LoTR-VG-WAR-GW2-ESO
If it wasn't for WoW, the MMORPG market would not exist today.
Amazing that there are people out there that actually think this way.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Amazing that there are people out there that actually think this way.
Amazing that there are people out there that actually think like you do, too. C wht I did ther?
Amazing that there are people out there that actually think this way.
Albeit a little too general, there is truth in the pink test.
I would word it more like this:
If it wasn't for WoW,the MMORPG market would nnot exist as it is today.
WoW impacted this genre in every single way, for good or bad, its impact has been huge...that is the history. It is what happened. So, without WoW, it would be different. Maybe bigger, maybe smaller, maybe better, mabye worse; but it would not be the same. WoW is one of the biggest factors in creating the modern industry. This mmo market would not exist without it.
I disagree with that. However I do think without WoW, there would be a lot less people playing MMO's today. And most likely there would be less MMO's produced, because WoW is what companies show to investors when they are looking for funding for a MMO. Without having WoW to showcase to investors, people may not give these companies as much money to make new MMO's.
EQ1-AC1-DAOC-FFXI-L2-EQ2-WoW-DDO-GW-LoTR-VG-WAR-GW2-ESO
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Don't call me "Mr." Chan >.<. "Chan usually is used addressing a little kid, pets or even young women, usually someone you may consider cute, and close to you.".
Unless you think I'm cute. *wink*. Maybe we can exchange digits? *nudge*
There were MMOs before WOW and there would be after WOW. WOWs 11 million did nothing for the industry other than for WOW. They hop to other games from time to time and find out its not like WOW and run back. The only thing that might be different is that there might still be some creativity besides the clones that currently come out.
This is totally incorrect.
But seriously I was addressing you as chan because it's a part of your user name for this site. Didn't mean to offend, sorry.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
But seriously I was addressing you as chan because it's a part of your user name for this site. Didn't mean to offend, sorry.
Lol, I wasn't being serious anyway. I was just teasing.
I don't see how some can say WoW represents the mmo genre and without it we wouldn't be successful. WoW is nothing more than a dumbed-down copy of what was out there in 2005. Just because something is popular doesn't mean it is good for you in the long run.
Ah phew, I thought I unknowingly said something racist to you. I shall address you as Esther from now on, just to be safe
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
Me and my RL friends that started playing WOW in 2004, did so because we were big fans of the Warcraft RTS games as well as Diablo 2. I often wonder how many started playing for the same reasons.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb