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"There are no hacks in the game. Sure there were some a year ago, but no one has seen one since." - Quote from multiple darkfall players.
Seriously tho, if trial accounts can be used to abuse the game, then that should obviously be fixed before they allow trial accounts.
Trial accounts should not be a bad idea just because the game is hack/cheat friendly at this moment. (is it?)
Well said TalRasha.
You can't have it both ways.
You can't say that DarkFall is basically barren of hacks... and then use hacks as the excuse to NOT do a Trial.
One thing most people seem to forget...
DarkFall's devs had planned on doing some sort of Trial from the very inception of DarkFall. It wasn't until DarkFall was released that it became know there was not going to be a Trial. For the 6-8 years leading up to release it was always a given that there was indeed going to be a Trial.
NOBODY... not a single person... said having a Trial was a bad idea for the 6-8 years leading up to release.
There were some skeptics who questioned the practicality of having a Trial from the beginning... but those skeptics were quickly shown Tasos' quote "proving" there was indeed going to be a Trial.
For some reason now the thought process has changed to... a Trial isn't a good idea for DarkFall.
I think they should do a small trial. Send out 1000-2000 keys, then when they are. Send out more, etc, etc.
there's definitely going to be a trial soon after they implement DF 2010 they have already said that's when they're going to start their mass advertising campaign.
"There are no hacks in the game. Sure there were some a year ago, but no one has seen one since." - Quote from multiple darkfall players.
Seriously tho, if trial accounts can be used to abuse the game, then that should obviously be fixed before they allow trial accounts.
Trial accounts should not be a bad idea just because the game is hack/cheat friendly at this moment. (is it?)
Well said TalRasha.
You can't have it both ways.
You can't say that DarkFall is basically barren of hacks... and then use hacks as the excuse to NOT do a Trial.
Why not ?
Fear of ban has probably keeping a lot of people away from hacking. But knowing it would be just a free trial alt who would receive ban probably would make em care less ?
(also i don't think someone really doesnt believe there are no hacks at all, everything gets hacked, what the claim is, is that devs are strong on them and keep them banning so you barely come across to one in game)
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Gotta laugh when pro DarkFallers argue against a trial because the game is so broken that it will allow people free reign to cheat anonymously. The real problem is of course that a trial will highlight the obvious shortcomings way before anyone gets close to the 'unique' features that those that play it enjoy. In short a trial will do more damage than good and Adventurine know this.
There was not a category in the poll that fitted me. I played a month cried a little at how so many things missed the mark by a little or several a lot. I left. I will probably try if there is a trial but with a lot of apprehension.
P.S. I enjoy dark beer and fine wine and did more or less since I tasted them. In fact I can often tell wine is off simply by looking at it, certainly by smelling. DF looks, smells and tastes off to me.
I guess I'm a pro-Darkfaller and I'm all for a free trial. i think it will encourage a lot of people to see how fun this game is.
Now, I gotta laugh, at your empty generalizations. Har-har. It's really not funny, nor your attempts to discredit a fine piece of entertainment.
I think it is very important for the overall health of the game if they give some free trials.
It could only lead to a larger population if people got a chance to try it out first.
I certainly respect those that are enjoying it. My strong hunch is because it's all there is and if there was more competition in this space they would be much less forgiving. Not really 'empty generalisations' just a response to all the 'fine wine takes years to appreciate it' nonsense.
I find it odd that lots of fans are making excuses for the absence of a trial (that was promised right up to release). I know you are not one of them but many are. Of course a trial would allow people to make up there own minds. Assuming Adventurine want more customers (maybe they don't) I can't understand why they would not offer at least a 'come back and see what we have fixed' trial even if they do not offer an open one.
Edit: There is no need for me to discredit a fine piece of entertainment Toss and the boys are doing a fine job of that all on there own. (Like saying everyone would be able to try before they buy and then rescinding)
I believe the main issue with free trials for DF is how the servers would take the sudden increase in player load. A free trial of DF would attrack thousands (if not 10's of thousands) of people over a short period of time. The servers would choke at the sudden increase in trial players. A limited trial, perhaps through the use of trial keys that are released over time (maybe 1000 new keys every 2 weeks) would be the way to go.
With DF we are talking just two servers here. And likely no easy option to quickly add servers as they would require a significant outlay of funds from Aventurine.
So the chances of a free trial anytime soon...very very small.
If you've got it like that, buy some accounts and give them out as free trials;) I'll gladly take the first one off your hands.
I've got a comp that meets DFs specs, though not completely blows them away. My reasoning for wanting a trial is knowing how well the game will run on what settings and in what situations. If I can't play it the way I want to play it, I'll just have to wait till next years taxes for when I plan to upgrade to a new computer. Having a family, it's pretty much the only opportunity I have to do so.
That is a good point. If lots of servers were added to support a trial influx only to be vacated when time runs out the AV will have lost a good chunk of money and may well annoy the present playerbase. While I still haven't played I'll always agree with the 'Make the current player base happy' no matter what circumstances I'm in. I do think a buddy system would be a good idea if implemented correctly. After reading these comments I'm considering this game more than before. I do know ,however, that I will have trouble bringing friends from other games over without a trial or a buddy key even if I do choose to drop the $50.
Any thoughts on Aion's buddy key system? I played that game for a few months, and while I found the game lacking I thought the invite a friend after so many months of play was a fairly good idea to slowly bring people in.
"There are no hacks in the game. Sure there were some a year ago, but no one has seen one since." - Quote from multiple darkfall players.
Seriously tho, if trial accounts can be used to abuse the game, then that should obviously be fixed before they allow trial accounts.
Trial accounts should not be a bad idea just because the game is hack/cheat friendly at this moment. (is it?)
BS. The main protection against hackers in DF is a banhammer. This game takes alotta time and work to build your toon. So people fear to be banned and don't hack. If they don't fear they hack, and no protection will stop them...
Oh, don't worry, I know it's a while coming. Trials don't normally come out too early unless the game isn't doing that well sub-wise from what I've seen. I'm just curious is anyone else share's my feelings. Who knows, maybe I'll cave one day, splurge, and buy the game.
It can be alot of reasons. One is the one you said about they have so much subs that they dont need more. And the other is that if people dont buy the game the company makes less money if people just try it for 10 days and dont like it. So they are risking more by putting up a trial. 1 person buying the game is more than 10 people doing trial and dont buy.
So if the game company know their game is good and they know people will buy it ones they try it will always have a 7 day trial or more. No trial i feel is a company with lack of confidence about their game and will eventually fail.
I can see your point about lack of confidence, but a free trial in Darkfall could honestly cause a LOT of problems.
The hackers can use the trial accounts to hack risk free.
Darkfall is like wine, it takes time to figure out if it is for you, 7 days would not be enough for most.
They have come up with a ton of other reasons it could cause problems on the DF forums, but I think you get the idea.
A buddy system like eve has would be great that way there is accountability if someone is abusing it, and it's not just wide open.
Most people know Darkfall isn't exactly swimming in money or subs, but they have enough to keep doing what they're doing, and I suppose that is enough for them for now.
thats a load of crap if that was the case you could say that about any game as far as hackers go this game is no different or anymore special unless the developer isnt doing anything about that problem at all
and to answer the op yes i would try a trial but never will try this game without one period.
this game has been out a year and no trial its funny Fallen Earth had a trial 2 months after release and their numbers are not hurting
Hardly.
A little background on myself for starters. I was a "vaporware troll" regarding Darkfall prior to it's launch and myself becoming actively involved with the game, after a single week I was transformed from a hater into a fan.
Why? Simple really, because the game is a quality title that offers many facets of play that are not often seen these days in this genre of gaming. That really is the bottom line.
I have recommended the game to no less than ten of my closest RL gaming pals. Every single one of them wanted to hold out for a trial, and ended up purchasing the game anyway.
Of those ten, not a single one has expressed any discontent with the game or it's features. If the game truly had as many shortcomings as you are trying to claim, at least one of us would have quit by now.
What Aventurine knows, is that a trial is detrimental to the way there game is setup. It opens up an easy avenue for spies and espionage that would normally not be possible without purchasing a second account, as well as a whole plethora of side issues related to the politics and day to day activities of many clans/alliances.
Not to mention the fact that it would allow farmers to spam advertisements without paying for an account.
The game simply isn't designed in a way where a trial program could be easily implemented, which imho is a tribute to the complexity and aggressive nature of the game as a whole.
Hardly.
A little background on myself for starters. I was a "vaporware troll" regarding Darkfall prior to it's launch and myself becoming actively involved with the game, after a single week I was transformed from a hater into a fan.
Why? Simple really, because the game is a quality title that offers many facets of play that are not often seen these days in this genre of gaming. That really is the bottom line.
I have recommended the game to no less than ten of my closest RL gaming pals. Every single one of them wanted to hold out for a trial, and ended up purchasing the game anyway.
Of those ten, not a single one has expressed any discontent with the game or it's features. If the game truly had as many shortcomings as you are trying to claim, at least one of us would have quit by now.
What Aventurine knows, is that a trial is detrimental to the way there game is setup. It opens up an easy avenue for spies and espionage that would normally not be possible without purchasing a second account, as well as a whole plethora of side issues related to the politics and day to day activities of many clans/alliances.
Not to mention the fact that it would allow farmers to spam advertisements without paying for an account.
The game simply isn't designed in a way where a trial program could be easily implemented, which imho is a tribute to the complexity and aggressive nature of the game as a whole.
spoken like a true fanboy
hmm let me see im playing aoc's unlimited trial and guess what I cant talk on any public channel so guess what i cant spam advertisements, and I cant leave the starter zone so guess what if there was spying to be done or if it was possible in that game I couldnt do it
stop trying to make DF out like its any different than any other mmo in regards to trials the more likely answer is that they would rather someone spend the 50 and leave mad or whatever not liking the game than give out trials and have them leave not spending a dime
AV isn't Funcom. they don't have dev hours and money to waste developing a system for people to try their game. UNtil some kind of "trial island" is developed, I just don't see it happeneing...and I don't see that kind of thing being developed soon due to money and time.
Any other form of trial would cause more headaches than it would be worth, IMO. There's just too many ways that trial accounts could be exploited or abused.
AV isn't Funcom. they don't have dev hours and money to waste developing a system for people to try their game. UNtil some kind of "trial island" is developed, I just don't see it happeneing...and I don't see that kind of thing being developed soon due to money and time.
Any other form of trial would cause more headaches than it would be worth, IMO. There's just too many ways that trial accounts could be exploited or abused.
guess you guys really are carebears to cuz eve is a sandbox highly political game with big wars and people infiltrating other corporations and it hasnt stopped eve from making trials so at this point i sure hope i dont hear anymore df fanboys cry carebear
What i like about trials is it is the best way to learn as many game mechanics as possible.You learn ideas you may never see if you had to buy the game,you never know what unique idea you might see from any given developer.This gives an over all perspective on gaming,it gives you an idea of what developers CAN do,and gives you the tools to determine good developers from bad ones.
You would be surprised how much knowledge you can gain playing tons of trials/Betas ,i honestly feel i can tell where a game is going in the first 15 minutes ,i do not need days or weeks of game play.It also helps to watch game play videos on you tube and to read the information a game gives you before login,so you already have an understanding of what to do upon entering.
Trials can also be as simple as offering a player a look and see for themselves before purchasing blindly off some PR speech.If we all went by PR alone,i think we would own every single game and they would all be 10/10 lol.
As far as a Darkfall trial goes, i really find it hard to believe i would find anything i don't already know,the game is rather weak on over all design and content.I might try a trial just to see if there is something i may have over looked,but i have done a lot of reading and watching videos of DF.
IMO AV would have nothing to lose,except maybe the first week of a trial they might create a huge lag problem if too many join a trial all at once.Personally i do not believe they would gain many new subs at all,but hey anything is better than nothing right?
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Nobody is crying alucard, why are you trying to pick a fight here?
Kost explained why a trial is risky in this particlar game. >>>>>>>>> "What Aventurine knows, is that a trial is detrimental to the way there game is setup. It opens up an easy avenue for spies and espionage that would normally not be possible without purchasing a second account, as well as a whole plethora of side issues related to the politics and day to day activities of many clans/alliances."
Personally I agree with the concept of a trial island. I think this could work. It certainly would have it's drawbacks as it wouldn't be a perfect example of what the game is in actuality, but It could be a reasonable compromise.
AV plans on having the game on shelves throughout Europe by the end of the year. If they are going to offer a trial I would guess it would be then.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I dont know if this was brought up but wasnt there a free trial in a greek magazine? Did THAT cause problems? Seriously, I dont know.
There was yes, but I have no idea how things worked out.
"Mr. Rothstein, your people never will understand... the way it works out here. You're all just our guests. But you act like you're at home. Let me tell you something, partner. You ain't home. But that's where we're gonna send you if it harelips the governor." - Pat Webb
I really doubt the negativity surrounding trials in this game.
Its gona lead to too much exploiting because ppl can freely hack the game without risk of lost money? Maybe they should fix the hacks or idk, Ip bans?
It leads to political problems, and spys,and gold spammers!! Restrict chat, problem solved.
Server overload !!!11!! Saying this game will get 10,000 trials at the same time is a wee to generous. Maybe a thousand at once, and two server should be able to handle that. If their concerned, just be conservative with the trials(passing out through some sort of buddy system, or game websites.)
But new trial players would be discouraged when they get ganked right away, and won't learn to love the game in 14 days. Right. So they should waste 50 bucks first , then find out they don't like it.
But they don't have that much time to waste, or the money.- It wouldn't be that hard or long, you don't need a trial island. Maybe if they had a trial they could lure more members in and make some money.
Nobody is crying alucard, why are you trying to pick a fight here?
Kost explained why a trial is risky in this particlar game. >>>>>>>>> "What Aventurine knows, is that a trial is detrimental to the way there game is setup. It opens up an easy avenue for spies and espionage that would normally not be possible without purchasing a second account, as well as a whole plethora of side issues related to the politics and day to day activities of many clans/alliances."
Personally I agree with the concept of a trial island. I think this could work. It certainly would have it's drawbacks as it wouldn't be a perfect example of what the game is in actuality, but It could be a reasonable compromise.
AV plans on having the game on shelves throughout Europe by the end of the year. If they are going to offer a trial I would guess it would be then.
im not trying to pick a fight im stating the obvious and im sry your reasons dont hold water and my reasons for saying carebear is because thats all i hear from alot of df players in reference to other games and my response remains the same EVE did it no reason DF couldnt other than not wanting to scare away the $$ from a retail purchase with a free trial
its my opinion and if you say im picking a fight because i brought up the carebear reference your sadly mistaken
he replied to my reply to a different post and i replied back if you dont like it im sorry i cant help you, EVE didnt need a free trial island so i fail to see why you think df needs one
and also coming from you who seems to like to pick fights on wow forums you have no leg to stand on
oh but i guess this is different huh its not a wow forum
From what I've read on Google, a Trial was planned on Jan. 22nd. Well, that day has come and gone. I admit, FFA PVP just sounds retarded, but I'd be willing to give anything a try. As they say, you never know until you try! Though, the community is pretty adamant about their game. Refusing to let anyone who has any distaste for PvP into their game. They rabidly patrol it's borders, looking to attack at wary travelers.
I always thought fresh blood in a game was a good thing, but I guess dogs will be dogs.
i think they are trying to keep up the illusion that their game is "more leet" than others