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In my personal opinion, Ive always thought Bethesda was a better story teller and game maker than Bioware, but that Bioware is also great in its own right.
That being said, Bioware and EA sure is setting a gigantic bar for itself. With the increased development time pushing it to next year, as well as this comment about it being its most expensive title, fans will be expecting quite a bit when this game finally does launch next year. With that sort of pressure, if this game does fail to perform like some other mmo's have in the past, their backlash will be much greater than it has been in previous games.
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I should rather say devoured by the sun.
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Considering the number of sales Bioware manages, Thillian is just trying to get a rise out of people. MOST people consider Bioware to be the best game company in the world. A few people don't, and love to try to upset everyone else by insisting that THEY represent everyone elses thoughts on the subject when they don't.
ER aren't you doing it to?
I think Blizzard is the best game company in the world (even though I don't play WOW).
Speaking for 'everyone' is dangerous.
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ER aren't you doing it to?
I think Blizzard is the best game company in the world (even though I don't play WOW).
Speaking for 'everyone' is dangerous.
Except that Moirae has box sales, numerous gaming awards, and highly positive reviews as evidence for her view, while Thillian simply has an opinion that has little or no evidence backing it.
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"Pushing it to next year"? They never announced a release date prior to that, so how are they pushing it somewhere?
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ER aren't you doing it to?
I think Blizzard is the best game company in the world (even though I don't play WOW).
Speaking for 'everyone' is dangerous.
Except that Moirae has box sales, numerous gaming awards, and highly positive reviews as evidence for her view, while Thillian simply has an opinion that has little or no evidence backing it.
Thank you, exactly. I may be doing it a bit, but I have lots of proof on my side.
btw Kyleran, i'm curious where did I say that "I think Bioware of the best game company in the world" exactly? If you're going to quote someone, you should get it right. Because I didn't. What I read on that is "MOST people think that Bioware is the best game company in the world". YOU highlighted it yourself. Did you bother to read it? The amount of sales, and the amount of awards the company has won does very well in speaking for the fact that MOST people consider Bioware to be the best game company in the world.
I should rather say devoured by the sun.
see, this is why we need the anniahlatrix to push us away from the sun and cure global warming. All hail frisky dingo !
Popularity is a great argument against something, not for. Honestly, when you go out and buy something or watch a film or buy book, your primary motivator are the sales? You go to imdb.com, see Shawshank Redemption - you say to yourself: that's gotta be the best film out there. When you listen to music -> you go to amazon and see Eminem or Britney Spears being on top, so you just order both immediately? When you see the sales for video games on amazon do you immediately buy the whole top 5?
Now about the self-proclaimed reviews on gaming websites. Please name me one gaming website that wouldn't have huge Mass Effect and Dragon Age banners or blinking ads all over the website even right next to the incredibly positive 95%+ scores?
I dont represent anyone but me. This is my opinion. But at least it's an opinion. What you say, and many others here, is just how popular the game is. And you plan to actually convince anyone with that? When you see estimates shortly before elections, do you immediately vote for the one who is more popular? Your logic is incredible.
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Popularity is a great argument against something, not for. Honestly, when you go out and buy something or watch a film or buy book, your primary motivator are the sales? You go to imdb.com, see Shawshank Redemption - you say to yourself: that's gotta be the best film out there. When you listen to music -> you go to amazon and see Eminem or Britney Spears being on top, so you just order both immediately? When you see the sales for video games on amazon do you immediately buy the whole top 5?
Now about the self-proclaimed reviews on gaming websites. Please name me one gaming website that wouldn't have huge Mass Effect and Dragon Age banners or blinking ads all over the website even right next to the incredibly positive 95%+ scores?
I dont represent anyone but me. This is my opinion. But at least it's an opinion. What you say, and many others here, is just how popular the game is. And you plan to actually convince anyone with that? When you see estimates shortly before elections, do you immediately vote for the one who is more popular? Your logic is incredible.
Except that popularity IS a great measure for "best". Especially when its for more than one item. I think Quentin Tarentino movies suck, but that doesn't make him a bad director, it just means that I don't like his style. Obviously he's good, or he wouldn't be so loved all over the world.
Same thing with WoW. I loath that game with a special passion. I think it sucks bad. Does that mean Blizzard sucks? No. It means I don't like WoW.
If you don't like Bioware, then you don't like Bioware, that doesn't mean they suck. It means YOU don't like them.
Except that popularity IS a great measure for "best". Especially when its for more than one item. I think Quentin Tarentino movies suck, but that doesn't make him a bad director, it just means that I don't like his style. Obviously he's good, or he wouldn't be so loved all over the world.
Same thing with WoW. I loath that game with a special passion. I think it sucks bad. Does that mean Blizzard sucks? No. It means I don't like WoW.
If you don't like Bioware, then you don't like Bioware, that doesn't mean they suck. It means YOU don't like them.
Seriously, people like you take these forums too seriously.
Of course it's my opinion, All the posts here represents my opinion. You came to the forums to read other people's opinions - that's what forums are for generally.
I didn't imply in any of my post that Bioware is generally crap for everyone out there. These are my own concerns about the upcoming SWTOR originating from my own expectations.
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The problem with SWTOR being a big budget MMO is that it will mean they will probably need a much higher than average subscriber-base. Hopefully they deliver something players will play for more than just the initial free month..
Popularity is a great argument against something, not for. Honestly, when you go out and buy something or watch a film or buy book, your primary motivator are the sales? You go to imdb.com, see Shawshank Redemption - you say to yourself: that's gotta be the best film out there. When you listen to music -> you go to amazon and see Eminem or Britney Spears being on top, so you just order both immediately? When you see the sales for video games on amazon do you immediately buy the whole top 5?
Now about the self-proclaimed reviews on gaming websites. Please name me one gaming website that wouldn't have huge Mass Effect and Dragon Age banners or blinking ads all over the website even right next to the incredibly positive 95%+ scores?
I dont represent anyone but me. This is my opinion. But at least it's an opinion. What you say, and many others here, is just how popular the game is. And you plan to actually convince anyone with that? When you see estimates shortly before elections, do you immediately vote for the one who is more popular? Your logic is incredible.
^^ this.
edit: You gotta love that new breed of human that votes & buys the way their TV & internet tells them too. Yeah, thrust what you're being fed... it must be true... just brilliant.
Take Dragon Age: Origine for exemple. Biggest pill of crap ever made by Bioware... but still sold in the millions. Why? rampant publicity thats why. Seriously! The game is a dumb down linear very simple game with a "can't be more generic" story. Compare it with what we had in BG II... You can't tell me it even compares?!
Don't even get me started on the new "DLC available to buy when the game just came out" model. I just bought the game!! Why that sh!t isn't in the package I bought?! But, thats another story... a nightmarish one at best.
Anyways, feel free to ignore what I said & continu to buy what you're being told to buy, its your money & your free time.
I should rather say devoured by the sun.
see, this is why we need the anniahlatrix to push us away from the sun and cure global warming. All hail frisky dingo !
No annihalatrix! We just need a very large ship that is capable of sustaining life for roughly a millenia, while being able to navigate safely through solar debris, and house roughly 1 million people, plus wild life and such. And finally, let me make the charter list.
Actually, I vote annihilatrix.
THE Rooster Nash
I forget the exact quote, but I remember reading that a top Blizzard exec once said that it would cost upwards of $100 million for anyone to develop a game that would truly compete on the level with World of Warcraft. It looks like Bioware/EA took that to heart.
Let s hope it doesn't turn up to be another Warhammer
As much as I'd like a good Star Wars MMO, I think it will probably have to be Blizzard to be the ones to outdo themselves and replace WoW. They're already working on a next MMO.
Wow, this is a good thread. I can't help myself ...
Bioware - Good developer with games that many people appreciate. However, other than the first Baldurs Gate and the first KotOR they don't really innovate. Their current offerings play out like polished movies. This is nothing close to what I personally want in an MMO. I'm sure they'll make a polished MMO movie experience and that some people will like it.
Bethesda - Good developer with games that feel alive and do not play out like a movie. Based on their experience Bethesda would likely have a better chance at delivering a traditional MMO than Bioware. Not saying Bioware can't do it but if I had to pick between the two I'd go with Bethesda.
Blizzard - Without even taking WoW into consideration this is the best PC game company in my opinion. Every game they create has amazing gameplay mechanics whether it's RTS, RPG, or MMORPG. I still remember buying the original Warcraft RTS and being amazed at how fluid a game could be from some random company no one had ever heard of. Wow has earned them a great deal of notoriety, but even if Blizzard stopped making games after Diablo 2 I would still consider them the best PC game developer ever.
I await your attacks on my opinions and opinions stated as facts ...
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I agree 100%
I grew up playing Blizzard games with all my friends. Their games had such a following that it was like a culture of its own. That's what makes a game like WoW such a hit I think. Just playing the game is like a badge of honor and because you know there are millions of others playing it as well. Blizzard also puts so much care into the artistic side of their games - even more than the gameplay.
Popularity is a great argument against something, not for. Honestly, when you go out and buy something or watch a film or buy book, your primary motivator are the sales? You go to imdb.com, see Shawshank Redemption - you say to yourself: that's gotta be the best film out there. When you listen to music -> you go to amazon and see Eminem or Britney Spears being on top, so you just order both immediately? When you see the sales for video games on amazon do you immediately buy the whole top 5?
Now about the self-proclaimed reviews on gaming websites. Please name me one gaming website that wouldn't have huge Mass Effect and Dragon Age banners or blinking ads all over the website even right next to the incredibly positive 95%+ scores?
I dont represent anyone but me. This is my opinion. But at least it's an opinion. What you say, and many others here, is just how popular the game is. And you plan to actually convince anyone with that? When you see estimates shortly before elections, do you immediately vote for the one who is more popular? Your logic is incredible.
^^ this.
No, not quite this. I don't understand what people are trying to prove here. How could popularity be against anything? Even negative popularity increases the stature of its victim. Something with high acclaim has high acclaim, if a game sells 4 million box copies, that doesn't mean that everyone will just go out and buy it right now, it just means that its popular in the demographic they are shooting for.
By TORs popularity already we see plenty of fans and haters battling it out on these forums. BioWare is one thing.. .they are a popular developer. Are they the best developer? Thats an opinion, and my opinion is no, they are not. Personally I prefer Bethesdas games over BioWare, but I'm still following TOR very closely. I'm not doing it because its popular, I'm doing it because the story based gameplay, unique classes, and vast "lore" and storyline intrigues me.
Whats the point of putting so much animosity towards a game that you haven't played yet unless you are truly pushing some kind of agenda, or trying to "protect" your current game from losing subscribers?
Lol, it will happen.
Unfortunately I have to say I agree with all 3 points there.
Bethesda has a better shot at making a real MMORPGs than Bioware, and Blizzard is the best developer in the world, and that not even including WoW.
I played Warcraft 1 for years, best RTS evah!
Except that popularity IS a great measure for "best". Especially when its for more than one item. I think Quentin Tarentino movies suck, but that doesn't make him a bad director, it just means that I don't like his style. Obviously he's good, or he wouldn't be so loved all over the world.
Same thing with WoW. I loath that game with a special passion. I think it sucks bad. Does that mean Blizzard sucks? No. It means I don't like WoW.
If you don't like Bioware, then you don't like Bioware, that doesn't mean they suck. It means YOU don't like them.
Seriously, people like you take these forums too seriously.
Of course it's my opinion, All the posts here represents my opinion. You came to the forums to read other people's opinions - that's what forums are for generally.
I didn't imply in any of my post that Bioware is generally crap for everyone out there. These are my own concerns about the upcoming SWTOR originating from my own expectations.
I think people just find your opinions to be a little more forced than necessary. And a lot of what you've said comes across as verifiable fact, but without the actual fact.
You're entitled to your own opinion, but don't be a dead horse. We know there are folks out there who do not like what BioWare brings to the genre. We know that there are people out there that have made their own opinions of the game based on hear-say rather than fact. We know that their are supporters of SWG stylization, Bethesda, Square Enix, and other RPG developers, who are just not akin to BioWare's process. We know this because Tyler knows this.
So, with that being said, and your opinions being stated of a game that you don't even find worthy of the title MMORPG, why are you still here? Why would anyone gravitate toward a forum of a game that they are knowingly, redundantly cynical about?
If you're bored, you're bored, and I get it. Otherwise...?
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Well, the "best game company in the world" is a title that is based only on personal opinions.
I also like Bioware games but personaly I see the last Bioware releases as simplified and more acessible versions of their old games and the story telling a bit cliche and too focused on simple moral patterns if we compare with games with great and deep storylines like Mafia, Silent Hill 2, Syberia etc.
What you said about Bioware everyone can say about Square Enyx, Konami, Naught Dog, Santa Monica, Blizzard etc.
We really don't know if Bioware is able to create a great MMORPG, they already showed they usualy can't create a deep and functional party dynamics system, usually they are bad with balance, gearing and pure RPG mechanics and try to overcome this issues with good storytelling and acessibility.
We need to wait and see what happens.
Blizzard was able to create a great and successful MMORPG, maybe Bioware can do it too...if they do, will people be unfair and "hate" them just like people do with Blizzard here?
Personaly I have much more faith on Square Enix and the upcoming Final Fantasy MMO, but it is a matter of opinion.
I truly hope its a great MMO but I personally have 0 interest in a Star Wars MMO. With all the money EA is spending I hope it turns out to be a pretty good MMO for all you Star Wars heads. *fingers crossed*
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