Originally posted by Gnarled Originally posted by BabyJesus EQ2 just isn't as wanted enough and the cheap bastards didn't even want an open beta. They skipped it just to beat WoW to the market and that's the whole story, anything else is fanboy bullshit. Ya wanna back that up with some stats ? Or or you just talking outta yer ass. . . I'm pretty sure that EQ2 in the end is going to have more stable paying customers than the little brats playing WoW. EQII Requiiem, Coercer Nektulos
Yes,but for people like me who have a decent amount of money and cant updraid my PC to the hottest ATI/Nvidia chip out there and need another place to settle b/c I wont be able to run EQ2,then im going with WoW.Plus,I like more PvP then RP.
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I didnt like the quest system in WoW... while it was nice to know who is giving quests and where you have to go, you get SO many it eventually becomes more of a chore than something that is fun.
From what i hear though EQ2 is pretty much the same, jsut harder to find the quests...
Personally I want to play WoW more than EQ 2, simply becuase I want to be able to solo. Also becuse WoW has more style imo, but I may pick up EQ 2 when it is released in the UK.
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The quest system is great because they are not too time consuming and they give useful rewards. I have played a few classes already and I have to say they were all really fun from the very beginning which is great because I hate having to wait to be higher level before the game is any fun.
All in all I would have to say WOW is the best MMO I have played with the exception of SWG during the first six months it was out before they screwed it all up.
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Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
WoW PvP in a nutshell is a joke. If your a serious PvP'er, don't even bother. If your a carebear, you can play on a PvP server and not worry. Fact of the matter is, it works something like this.
Horde goes into Alliance lands, he cannot attack the alliance, only those who attack him first can he take. Visa versa. So thus you pretty much have no killing the enemy unless in contested zones. So then you got contested zones. Their form of reward is some weak honor system that not only is not suitable for the storyline, but again, adds even less of a PvP for you only get extra honor for killing those of same level and higher, and get negative for those below you.
So I ask you, in war, why can't you attack the enemy unless they attack first? Why would a troll give a rats ass if he kills an inexperienced human.
Truth of the matter is, anyone who says the games emphasis is PvP, they are ignorant to the MMORPG genre. The game is not PvP. You play on the PvP servers and its still a weak excuse for PvP.
There is no excitement, no danger. In a nutshell, it should be called, "World of Peacecraft."
The game is a sad excuse for a storyline that dictates chaos, hate, feuds, fear, and the name of the game, Warcraft.
I cannot judge EQ2 for I have not played it. Nor will I be able too because you practically need an up to date alienware system for it to run smoothely. It's most likely a clone of EQ1 with all the new trimmings. So if you cannot afford a $2000 dollar computer, go with WoW. I'll give WoW credit for that, I have a 1800 athlon that runs at about 1100, and a 32mb video card, 512 mb, and even though its on lowest settings, it still looks nice, and runs like a dream.
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"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
Wait, wait. So if you can't attack a player unless that player attacks you first (this is on a PvP server, right?) then how would any PvP be initiated?
Originally posted by JoshFatal Wait, wait. So if you can't attack a player unless that player attacks you first (this is on a PvP server, right?) then how would any PvP be initiated?
well, if i'm not mistaken about what he meant.
the invading force can not attack anyone until the defending force has shot them first.The defending force can always shoot the invaders first, but the other way around the invaders have to wait until they are being shot at before they can actually start fighting the defenders.
or at least, this is what I understood out of the explenation as i haven't made it into the WoW beta to find out for myself
Originally posted by Finwe WoW PvP in a nutshell is a joke. Horde goes into Alliance lands, he cannot attack the alliance, only those who attack him first can he take. Visa versa. So thus you pretty much have no killing the enemy unless in contested zones. So then you got contested zones.
Huh? How far have you played WoW. Yes there are "uncontested" areas for low lvls (lvl's 1-20) where if you are come across an invading opposing faction, they cannot "gank" you unless you attack them. This stops lvl 60s greifing in the newbie zones.
Once above lvl 20 you leave these areas and enter the "contested" regions. Here you are open to being killed at whim. To get to any of the good quests, mobs, instances and fun areas you have to play in these zones. Some zones are even built with opposing faction towns just a few minutes apart where PvP is vicious and fun.
PvP rewards and Hero status is not fully implemented so I find it amusing that you have come to this conclusion even though blizzard have stated that more is to come in the next patch.
Just like to clarify that what you see in open beta currently is NOT WoW's PvP system. Supposedly it all will be in by retail (I pray to god battleground's are...). The PvP in WoW is intense once you leave your "noob" lands, as each side struggles to control parts of a zone, be it a single person, group, or raid.
Also remember this is a game where one of its foundations of endgame content IS pvp. It is not a half arsed added game mechanic. It WILL be continously expanded and developed. There was even a post by Enoyls, the lead designer, that battlegrounds, which we have not seen yet, are also a test bed for several new pvp game mechanics. If they work out alright, they will expand to EVERY contested zone. The one he hinted at is capturable graveyards. How it will work, or if we will ever see it, who knows, but this is to show there is a purpose.
As for the pvp penalty? Corpse runs and controlling a quest area is good enough. Anything higher in this game would stiffle the majority of the pvpers. This game caters to a majority, not a minority who think pvp has to be always hardcore. I personally just want to play against players, skill on skill. If you ever add in stiff penalties to pvp, you just make everyone travel in large groups, only fighting fights they KNOW they will win, and gives more incentive to exploit since you want a lag up on the enemy and hurt him. Right now WoW is heading in the right PvP direction, and within a year, it may have one of the best pvp systems ever seen in an MMO.
Originally posted by Righty I'd rather play with little brats who will get cut off because they don't have a credit card all the time then people like Gnarled.
Originally posted by FireUp Hahaha Im beginning to love those EQ2 vs WoW thread... so funny. Cant you accept that they are both great different games, aimed at different type of gamers ? You are convincing me not to play nether of both.
okay so it's anoying when a fanboy starts comparing one game with the other. Cause we always know the fanboy never played the other game.
But the comparisons are great.
WoW and EQ2 are two large MMORPG titles that are released in the same month with only 2 weeks in between. So many people dunno which game to chose.
Do they want PVP? yes or no?
Do they want lots of solo play? yes or no?
Do they want a community that is always helping each other? yes or no?
Do they want cartoony characters or realistic less-cartoony characters?
Do they want raids? yes or no?
I mean a lot of threads are comparing these questions, and they are great. A lot of people are confused on which game to chose, and with the comparisons they are able to chose which one they like.
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I'll go for blond hair, white skin elves anyday!!! ____ _ ____________ _ ____
Originally posted by BabyJesus EQ2 just isn't as wanted enough and the cheap bastards didn't even want an open beta. They skipped it just to beat WoW to the market and that's the whole story, anything else is fanboy bullshit.
Ya wanna back that up with some stats ? Or or you just talking outta yer ass. . . I'm pretty sure that EQ2 in the end is going to have more stable paying customers than the little brats playing WoW.
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Id rather play with the kids in WoW than jackass adults like you with massive superiority complex who think that any one who doesent play there game is an inferior ''Brat'' i say if you cant at least try to be civil i suggest turning off your computer going up stairs and sticking a fork in the toaster.
Haven't played EQ2 so, sorry. No info here. I've watched as a friend play it on his PC. Looked interesting, but after having played WoW from Stress-Test 1 to Open Beta, I'm hooked on WoW. It really sucks that people can't try both and see for themselves, but instead they have to make their decisions based on heresay. I feel for you, man (or woman).
However, if you're going to play WoW, then please do yourself a favor and create a Dwarf. Once you're out of the starting area, pick up the Ammo Delivery mission, finish it, and watch the brief (5 min?) interaction that takes place. OMFG! Frikkin had me busted up laughing for a good while. Thinking about it makes me smile. Heck, you don't even need a Dwarf, just be an Alliance race (Night Elf, Gnome, Human, Dwarf) and you can head over to Iron Forge, the Dwarven citadel.
Also, PLEASE try the /v commands, like /v flirt. Hilarious!! Geezus, I wanted to create a new character for every race and try out the /v commands, aka verbal commands, which give an animation and voice dialogue for that emote, of which there are several variants.
BTW, many of the NPC's do have voices, but they aren't as comprehensive as EQ2's voice-overs. Simply put, when approached, they would give a hearty hello or snarl at you, depending on who. Simultaneously, the text box would appear and give you the info. All very intuitive.
I was not a PvP advocate for these MMORPG's. I never really was with the exception of DAoC, which sucked at the time because of the imbalance issues (very early release version for those of you who remember it). If I wanted PvP, I would load up PlanetSide or RTCW: ET. However, I did try PvP a few times with WoW. Frankly, you're compelled to do so. I resisted the urge to PvP for a while, but it's very hard to when your old stomping grounds are under attack by the enemy. You would see messages from the system like: "Goldshire is under attack!". It's like your childhood neighborhood were being attacked. You just had to help out if you could. If they got in that far and that deep, I wanted to make sure that I put a good dent in their armor, even though I would very likely get killed in process.
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EQ line: Keep people subscribed by making things long and tedious. Roaming all over to find some piece of a quest, giving little to no info about it. Making it hard to level, so they prolong you from reaching the upper tier of the game to find out there is not much there. Then at that point they come out with a ton of expansions in a year to make you forget about it.
WOW: Makes it easy to level, fun to quest. They want you to make the upper tier of the game soon because that is what they have focused on most. They keep subscribers by making it fun to quest, not laborious. Unlike EQ they do not have the restrictions to keep you down.
From SOE website about EQ2 : "A character accumulates experience debt. This appears as a red bar at the end of the gold experience bar. Although a player doesn't lose experience he or she has earned, the experience debt must be paid back with experience earned going forward. Thus, experience debt is reduced as a character gains new experience. Part of the experience earned goes toward repaying debt while the other part continues to advance a character's level.
From Blizzards website about WoW: "Early on we planned out everything that we felt would make cool raid content. We expect there to be a lot of people at the end of the game, since we aren't putting in a steep leveling curve. So we wanted to have some epic content waiting for them"
Humans are like sheep. When left alone they stray with no forethought. Only when in danger do they ask "where is my shepard." -
Humans are like sheep. When left alone they stray with no forethought. Only when in danger do they ask "where is my shepard." -
Originally posted by Finwe So I ask you, in war, why can't you attack the enemy unless they attack first? Why would a troll give a rats ass if he kills an inexperienced human.
This is why still to this day , I love the original UOs battle system. Attack anyone anywhere, kill anyone anywhere.
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Originally posted by JoshFatal Wait, wait. So if you can't attack a player unless that player attacks you first (this is on a PvP server, right?) then how would any PvP be initiated?
Ok here is how it works on the PvP servers.
There are 3 zone types, Horde, Alliance, and Contested.
The Horde and alliance zones are pretty much the 'newbie' areas, its where you first start your character and do your first quests, in these zones if you are a horde in a horde zone, you are safe from attack from alliance, unless you are pvp flagged. If you an Alliance in an alliance zone, you are safe from attack from Horde unless you are PvP flagged. You get flagged for PvP if you 1. Attack an enemy player/npc or 2. Heal/buff a PvP flagged player 3. Just entered the zone from a contested zone or 4. Type /pvp to flag yourself.
Keep in mind only the starting zones for each race are 'safe' areas. Once you hit about 15-20 you start getting quests in conested areas, in these areas anybody can attack any member of the other faction at any time (even a level 60 killing a level 1..assumeing the level 1 was dumb enough to walk into the contested area..and not get killed by the mobs there)
And every single other zone in the game besides the starting zones are contested.
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Yes,but for people like me who have a decent amount of money and cant updraid my PC to the hottest ATI/Nvidia chip out there and need another place to settle b/c I wont be able to run EQ2,then im going with WoW.Plus,I like more PvP then RP.
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WoW vs EQ2 war !
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why only play one?
there both going to be good....
and im sure you will be ready for a new game in 3-6 moths anyways
I didnt like the quest system in WoW... while it was nice to know who is giving quests and where you have to go, you get SO many it eventually becomes more of a chore than something that is fun.
From what i hear though EQ2 is pretty much the same, jsut harder to find the quests...
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Personally I am having a great time in WOW...
The quest system is great because they are not too time consuming and they give useful rewards. I have played a few classes already and I have to say they were all really fun from the very beginning which is great because I hate having to wait to be higher level before the game is any fun.
All in all I would have to say WOW is the best MMO I have played with the exception of SWG during the first six months it was out before they screwed it all up.
"I don't want him comin in here and slappin his lips on my asshole"
Critical thinking is a desire to seek, patience to doubt, fondness to meditate, slowness to assert, readiness to consider, carefulness to dispose and set in order; and hatred for every kind of imposture.
WoW PvP in a nutshell is a joke. If your a serious PvP'er, don't even bother. If your a carebear, you can play on a PvP server and not worry. Fact of the matter is, it works something like this.
Horde goes into Alliance lands, he cannot attack the alliance, only those who attack him first can he take. Visa versa. So thus you pretty much have no killing the enemy unless in contested zones. So then you got contested zones. Their form of reward is some weak honor system that not only is not suitable for the storyline, but again, adds even less of a PvP for you only get extra honor for killing those of same level and higher, and get negative for those below you.
So I ask you, in war, why can't you attack the enemy unless they attack first? Why would a troll give a rats ass if he kills an inexperienced human.
Truth of the matter is, anyone who says the games emphasis is PvP, they are ignorant to the MMORPG genre. The game is not PvP. You play on the PvP servers and its still a weak excuse for PvP.
There is no excitement, no danger. In a nutshell, it should be called, "World of Peacecraft."
The game is a sad excuse for a storyline that dictates chaos, hate, feuds, fear, and the name of the game, Warcraft.
I cannot judge EQ2 for I have not played it. Nor will I be able too because you practically need an up to date alienware system for it to run smoothely. It's most likely a clone of EQ1 with all the new trimmings. So if you cannot afford a $2000 dollar computer, go with WoW. I'll give WoW credit for that, I have a 1800 athlon that runs at about 1100, and a 32mb video card, 512 mb, and even though its on lowest settings, it still looks nice, and runs like a dream.
----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didnt exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
"The greatest trick the devil played on humanity in the 20th century was convincing them that he didn't exist." (Paraphrasing) C.S. Lewis
"If a mother can kill her own child, what is left before I kill you and you kill me?" -Mother Teresa when talking about abortion after accepting the Nobel Peace Prize in 1979
well, if i'm not mistaken about what he meant.
the invading force can not attack anyone until the defending force has shot them first.The defending force can always shoot the invaders first, but the other way around the invaders have to wait until they are being shot at before they can actually start fighting the defenders.
or at least, this is what I understood out of the explenation as i haven't made it into the WoW beta to find out for myself
Huh? How far have you played WoW. Yes there are "uncontested" areas for low lvls (lvl's 1-20) where if you are come across an invading opposing faction, they cannot "gank" you unless you attack them. This stops lvl 60s greifing in the newbie zones.
Once above lvl 20 you leave these areas and enter the "contested" regions. Here you are open to being killed at whim. To get to any of the good quests, mobs, instances and fun areas you have to play in these zones. Some zones are even built with opposing faction towns just a few minutes apart where PvP is vicious and fun.
PvP rewards and Hero status is not fully implemented so I find it amusing that you have come to this conclusion even though blizzard have stated that more is to come in the next patch.
Hahaha Im beginning to love those EQ2 vs WoW thread... so funny.
Cant you accept that they are both great different games, aimed at different type of gamers ?
You are convincing me not to play nether of both.
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Hated : EQ, UO, AC, DaoC
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Just like to clarify that what you see in open beta currently is NOT WoW's PvP system. Supposedly it all will be in by retail (I pray to god battleground's are...). The PvP in WoW is intense once you leave your "noob" lands, as each side struggles to control parts of a zone, be it a single person, group, or raid.
Also remember this is a game where one of its foundations of endgame content IS pvp. It is not a half arsed added game mechanic. It WILL be continously expanded and developed. There was even a post by Enoyls, the lead designer, that battlegrounds, which we have not seen yet, are also a test bed for several new pvp game mechanics. If they work out alright, they will expand to EVERY contested zone. The one he hinted at is capturable graveyards. How it will work, or if we will ever see it, who knows, but this is to show there is a purpose.
As for the pvp penalty? Corpse runs and controlling a quest area is good enough. Anything higher in this game would stiffle the majority of the pvpers. This game caters to a majority, not a minority who think pvp has to be always hardcore. I personally just want to play against players, skill on skill. If you ever add in stiff penalties to pvp, you just make everyone travel in large groups, only fighting fights they KNOW they will win, and gives more incentive to exploit since you want a lag up on the enemy and hurt him. Right now WoW is heading in the right PvP direction, and within a year, it may have one of the best pvp systems ever seen in an MMO.
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Man you are so wrong.
okay so it's anoying when a fanboy starts comparing one game with the other. Cause we always know the fanboy never played the other game.
But the comparisons are great.
WoW and EQ2 are two large MMORPG titles that are released in the same month with only 2 weeks in between. So many people dunno which game to chose.
Do they want PVP? yes or no?
Do they want lots of solo play? yes or no?
Do they want a community that is always helping each other? yes or no?
Do they want cartoony characters or realistic less-cartoony characters?
Do they want raids? yes or no?
I mean a lot of threads are comparing these questions, and they are great. A lot of people are confused on which game to chose, and with the comparisons they are able to chose which one they like.
____ _ ____________ _ ____
Everquest 2 female elves are HAWT! World of Warcraft nightelves are NAWT! I'm not an EQ2 fanboy, I'm an elf fanboy. (^_^)
I'll go for blond hair, white skin elves anyday!!!
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Id rather play with the kids in WoW than jackass adults like you with massive superiority complex who think that any one who doesent play there game is an inferior ''Brat'' i say if you cant at least try to be civil i suggest turning off your computer going up stairs and sticking a fork in the toaster.
Games Played:DoAC, EQ, CoH, Lineage 2, Planetside, and Shadowbane.
Games Playing:None:(
Waiting For:WoW, EQII
Wow still at it....
I cant wait till WoW and EQ2 are a month old, i guess all the hype will be gone and people will play instead of fanboying/trollboying.
lol 3 times, thats my best score.
Sorry
Is there a way to delete my posts ? i cant find any
Haven't played EQ2 so, sorry. No info here. I've watched as a friend play it on his PC. Looked interesting, but after having played WoW from Stress-Test 1 to Open Beta, I'm hooked on WoW. It really sucks that people can't try both and see for themselves, but instead they have to make their decisions based on heresay. I feel for you, man (or woman).
However, if you're going to play WoW, then please do yourself a favor and create a Dwarf. Once you're out of the starting area, pick up the Ammo Delivery mission, finish it, and watch the brief (5 min?) interaction that takes place. OMFG! Frikkin had me busted up laughing for a good while. Thinking about it makes me smile. Heck, you don't even need a Dwarf, just be an Alliance race (Night Elf, Gnome, Human, Dwarf) and you can head over to Iron Forge, the Dwarven citadel.
Also, PLEASE try the /v commands, like /v flirt. Hilarious!! Geezus, I wanted to create a new character for every race and try out the /v commands, aka verbal commands, which give an animation and voice dialogue for that emote, of which there are several variants.
BTW, many of the NPC's do have voices, but they aren't as comprehensive as EQ2's voice-overs. Simply put, when approached, they would give a hearty hello or snarl at you, depending on who. Simultaneously, the text box would appear and give you the info. All very intuitive.
I was not a PvP advocate for these MMORPG's. I never really was with the exception of DAoC, which sucked at the time because of the imbalance issues (very early release version for those of you who remember it). If I wanted PvP, I would load up PlanetSide or RTCW: ET. However, I did try PvP a few times with WoW. Frankly, you're compelled to do so. I resisted the urge to PvP for a while, but it's very hard to when your old stomping grounds are under attack by the enemy. You would see messages from the system like: "Goldshire is under attack!". It's like your childhood neighborhood were being attacked. You just had to help out if you could. If they got in that far and that deep, I wanted to make sure that I put a good dent in their armor, even though I would very likely get killed in process.
Anyway, sorry for the rambling!
Boils down to this:<?xml:namespace prefix = o ns = "urn:schemas-microsoft-com:office:office" />
EQ line: Keep people subscribed by making things long and tedious. Roaming all over to find some piece of a quest, giving little to no info about it. Making it hard to level, so they prolong you from reaching the upper tier of the game to find out there is not much there. Then at that point they come out with a ton of expansions in a year to make you forget about it.
WOW: Makes it easy to level, fun to quest. They want you to make the upper tier of the game soon because that is what they have focused on most. They keep subscribers by making it fun to quest, not laborious. Unlike EQ they do not have the restrictions to keep you down.
From SOE website about EQ2 : "A character accumulates experience debt. This appears as a red bar at the end of the gold experience bar. Although a player doesn't lose experience he or she has earned, the experience debt must be paid back with experience earned going forward. Thus, experience debt is reduced as a character gains new experience. Part of the experience earned goes toward repaying debt while the other part continues to advance a character's level.
From Blizzards website about WoW: "Early on we planned out everything that we felt would make cool raid content. We expect there to be a lot of people at the end of the game, since we aren't putting in a steep leveling curve. So we wanted to have some epic content waiting for them"
Humans are like sheep. When left alone they stray with no forethought. Only when in danger do they ask "where is my shepard." -
Humans are like sheep. When left alone they stray with no forethought. Only when in danger do they ask "where is my shepard." -
This is why still to this day , I love the original UOs battle system. Attack anyone anywhere, kill anyone anywhere.
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Killer 100%
Achiever 53%
Explorer 33%
Socializer 13%
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Ok here is how it works on the PvP servers.
There are 3 zone types, Horde, Alliance, and Contested.
The Horde and alliance zones are pretty much the 'newbie' areas, its where you first start your character and do your first quests, in these zones if you are a horde in a horde zone, you are safe from attack from alliance, unless you are pvp flagged. If you an Alliance in an alliance zone, you are safe from attack from Horde unless you are PvP flagged. You get flagged for PvP if you 1. Attack an enemy player/npc or 2. Heal/buff a PvP flagged player 3. Just entered the zone from a contested zone or 4. Type /pvp to flag yourself.
Keep in mind only the starting zones for each race are 'safe' areas. Once you hit about 15-20 you start getting quests in conested areas, in these areas anybody can attack any member of the other faction at any time (even a level 60 killing a level 1..assumeing the level 1 was dumb enough to walk into the contested area..and not get killed by the mobs there)
And every single other zone in the game besides the starting zones are contested.
I've played WoW US open beta, and I promise you, it's the best MMORPG I've ever played. I say World of Warcraft and NOT EQ2