Dev's / Pub's / Houses - Right to reply ???

Breezeycouk

 

So I've recently posted a couple of posts that seem to have generated a great deal of discussion - Which is good .!.

But I'm not seeing any feed back from either indi, individual or corporate dev's / pub's or houses on what is being discussed...

So does this mean that we are all shouting in to the night and no-one in the industry is listening to us and will keep craming poorly developed / rushed / ill concieved games in to the market?

Or are we, the players, banging on the windows in the cold while Dev's / Pub's / House's sit in their nice warm server rooms saying "Wellll.., WoW has done this and we could mod this 3 year old engine to sort of do the same ?"

 

So this is their chance to speak unto their people and tell us whats on their minds ???

Is the future F2P (with or without Cash Shops)??  - Does WoW hold all the cards ?? - Why no Sandbox ?? -

In the Console (Grunt - Push button - Big Noise - Flashing Liight - Hurh Hiurh !!!) vs PC (Now - Let me use the little grey cells and see what happens if I develop a two mile sniper rifle and work out wind resistance and drag co-efficent and land topology and Yes! - One Shot One kill !!)  War who will win?

Or is there a deep and meaningful white on black fight in dark data warehouses over Graphics vs Gameplay with young devs relentlessly and fearlessly throwing themselves in to PvP fray to decide the outcome and the failures being dragged from the fray and sent to online support portals where they mutter - "I cudda been a contenduurr.. for LFG Award 2010"

Is the future cookie cutter instance repeat until dead (virtual or in real life...) or is someone going to break the mould ??

Speak Up and You shall be heard !!!

Breezeycouk

Originally posted by Breezeycouk


 
So I've recently posted a couple of posts that seem to have generated a great deal of discussion - Which is good .!.
But I'm not seeing any feed back from either indi, individual or corporate dev's / pub's or houses on what is being discussed...
So does this mean that we are all shouting in to the night and no-one in the industry is listening to us and will keep craming poorly developed / rushed / ill concieved games in to the market?
Or are we, the players, banging on the windows in the cold while Dev's / Pub's / House's sit in their nice warm server rooms saying "Wellll.., WoW has done this and we could mod this 3 year old engine to sort of do the same ?"
 
So this is their chance to speak unto their people and tell us whats on their minds ???
Is the future F2P (with or without Cash Shops)??  - Does WoW hold all the cards ?? - Why no Sandbox ?? -
In the Console (Grunt - Push button - Big Noise - Flashing Liight - Hurh Hiurh !!!) vs PC (Now - Let me use the little grey cells and see what happens if I develop a two mile sniper rifle and work out wind resistance and drag co-efficent and land topology and Yes! - One Shot One kill !!)  War who will win?
Or is there a deep and meaningful white on black fight in dark data warehouses over Graphics vs Gameplay with young devs relentlessly and fearlessly throwing themselves in to PvP fray to decide the outcome and the failures being dragged from the fray and sent to online support portals where they mutter - "I cudda been a contenduurr.. for LFG Award 2010"
Is the future cookie cutter instance repeat until dead (virtual or in real life...) or is someone going to break the mould ??
Speak Up and You shall be heard !!!

 

Nuff said - Post has been up for some 24 hours without a single reply - Guys - All go home - No-one is listening to us......

elocke

Not that our opinions on forums don't count. But do you really think our opinions represent the majority of players out there?

I don't. All we represent is the playerbase that "likes to talk about games in forums".

That being said, I do know that at least one of development companies out there does persue various forums to see what the public is saying. Doesn't mean that much though, because A. They won't expose themselves and open up a can of worms and B. They don't have to listen or do what is suggested at all.

SnarlingWolf

I really hope you don't post on MMORPG with the intention of reaching devs.

 

First this is a site independent of any MMO company. Second the people who post here represent the minority of those who play MMOs (although it's a tough point to convince people of here, and they tend to get quite mad about it). Third, go to an official games forums if you want any chance of reaching them. But do it understanding that depending on the company, it is possible only the community managers read those posts and no actual devs do.

 

But to put it simply, no you are never going to change the MMO world by posting on forums, especially MMORPG forums. It is really just a place for these types of players to discuss things back and forth and to find out about games you haven't played.

Breezeycouk

 

In answer to the last two posts:

Perhaps I was being a little naive in  thinking that this website was expressing the thoughts of the MMORPG playing world...

(But then I thought that this was the biggest / fairest forum on MMO on the Net?)

 

But it just seemed like the last couple of post I made had stirred up a lot of talk about the poor state of the MMO world / this website / MMO implentations etc.

So I had hoped that some dev's etc would come out of the woodwork (perhaps anonymously ) to say what was going on behind closed doors.

I fully understand the comments that they don't have to listen to us or implement our thoughts / requests / game ideas  (Although it is a little strange that a company that wants to sell games doesn't listen to at least some of it markets....)

But there we go - I asked for comment - none came - Everyone is free to make their own minds up.

Dameonk

Originally posted by Breezeycouk


 
In answer to the last two posts:
Perhaps I was being a little naive in  thinking that this website was expressing the thoughts of the MMORPG playing world...
(But then I thought that this was the biggest / fairest forum on MMO on the Net?)



You are actually describing a psychological condition (the name of which escapes me at this time).  We humans have a tendency to believe that sub-groups we are a part of are the majority of the entire group.  Or at least share the opinion of the majority of the members of the group.
The reality of this website is that the frequent posters only represent a very, very limited amount of the MMO gamers out there.  Most MMO gamers never visit a forum, and of those that do, they usually visit the official forum of whatever game they are playing.
Coming here, to a 3rd party MMO gaming site requires even more of a unique mindset than visiting the official forums of the game you are currently playing.  
So in other words we, the MMORPG.com posters are a sub-group of a sub-group of the MMO gamer group.
Long story short, you're line of thinking is incorrect. This website (forum) definitely does not express the thoughts of the MMORPG playing world.
But it just seemed like the last couple of post I made had stirred up a lot of talk about the poor state of the MMO world / this website / MMO implentations etc.
Of course they did.  If we (the posters) were not disgruntled about the current state of MMO games we would not be here, we would be playing a game we found enjoyable.  
So I had hoped that some dev's etc would come out of the woodwork (perhaps anonymously ) to say what was going on behind closed doors.
Developers or community reps do come on these forums occasionally to talk to the fans of their game, but they usually just post on their game's dedicated forum on the site.
And remember, we are not part of the majority.  Developers have nothing to prove to us other than to create a fun game.
I fully understand the comments that they don't have to listen to us or implement our thoughts / requests / game ideas  (Although it is a little strange that a company that wants to sell games doesn't listen to at least some of it markets....)
Some do listen, to the majority opinion.
But there we go - I asked for comment - none came - Everyone is free to make their own minds up.



I'm not really sure what you were expecting.  Your OP seemed to want to hold an interview not illicit a simple comment.  You could, however, send emails to development houses you are interested in hearing from and see if they would conduct an interview with you that you could then post here.
I wouldn't hold my breath though, unless you are an official representative of some type of community site.

 

 

Axehilt

Originally posted by SnarlingWolf


I really hope you don't post on MMORPG with the intention of reaching devs.
But to put it simply, no you are never going to change the MMO world by posting on forums, especially MMORPG forums. It is really just a place for these types of players to discuss things back and forth and to find out about games you haven't played.

 

Yes, exactly. The games industry doesn't hang upon the words of the hardcore minority.

Realistically devs occasionally visit (I myself am a designer between jobs.)  But out of a thousand ideas they see here, they might only agree with a fraction.  And if they agree, MMORPGs are huge projects and they might not be in a position to act upon the idea (it might not make sense for their particular game, even if they were.)

Sandbox commentary in general I take with a grain of salt, as many specific features get talked about which would completely destroy the appeal of a game.  Honestly I think sandbox gaming has potential, but sandbox designers seem to never say to themselves, "By implementing this feature, I'm asking players to spend x hours doing Activity z -- is that actually fun?"  If they asked this of themselves about every feature they ever implemented, they'd create amazing sandbox games filled with fun gameplay.  But instead we have things like AFK-Harvesting and Long Travel Times.

To the players asking for sandbox games these aren't even issues, even though they're the fundamental thing holding sandbox games back.

Amathe

You have a much better chance of receiving a dev response if you post in the individual forum for that game.

I have had a few Devs respond to my posts, but unfortunately it's never for the games I like.  Mostly it's them angry for me trashing games I hate. So, um, be careful what you wish for.