"This is the case with a number of our other games, because, unlike at other game companies, you've often find players at the top of the rankings that haven't spent any money to get there. Exactly how this will work is still in design, but players that buy items will not gain an advantage, they will just save time. This is especially designed with players in mind that work during the day and therefore don't have time to play for hours each day but would still like to be able to keep up with their friends or their clan."
Who here doesn't think saving time is an advantage of sorts? I think its an advantage and as I fall into the demographic of not having a lot of time to play looks like I'll be strongly encouraged to buy items in the cash shop to remain competitive (in a reasonable amount of time)
Which means the game design is unimaginative, and dare I say, poor. Like most P2W games (and P2P as well) they're building in regressive leveling curves which can be reduced by purchasing items in game to reduce the pain. I hate this model of design and I'm done with it.
I much prefer EVE's model of passive skill advancement which solves my problem of not being in game to 'work' on my progression and free's me up for other activites that I find more enjoyable. (even grinding for ISK is preferable to level grinding)
I do not want to trade money for time, I want games designed that focus on having fun, and not toiling away trying to progress my character and having pay to reduce the agony.
But that's just me.
No, it's me too.
I can understand those that don't like EVE, I didn't like it several years ago, too. But I didn't have kids and a job back than and with all the free time in the world I preffered grinding as a way of skill progression - it felt faster I guess.
But as Kyleran said, with limited free time now, I much rather spend it on things I feel like doing in game than having to waste it all on grinding.
"This is the case with a number of our other games, because, unlike at other game companies, you've often find players at the top of the rankings that haven't spent any money to get there. Exactly how this will work is still in design, but players that buy items will not gain an advantage, they will just save time. This is especially designed with players in mind that work during the day and therefore don't have time to play for hours each day but would still like to be able to keep up with their friends or their clan."
Who here doesn't think saving time is an advantage of sorts? I think its an advantage and as I fall into the demographic of not having a lot of time to play looks like I'll be strongly encouraged to buy items in the cash shop to remain competitive (in a reasonable amount of time)
Absolutely, it's an advantage. Nothing to keep the hardcore players from using the cash shop, right?
Now, if they had two types of memberships -one with unlimited time but no cash shop access, and one with cash shop, but limited hours to play - that would make sense.
They won't do that, though. It would limit potential sales in the shop.
It makes me sick to see yet another potentially good MMO design perverted by greed.
Which means the game design is unimaginative, and dare I say, poor. Like most P2W games (and P2P as well) they're building in regressive leveling curves which can be reduced by purchasing items in game to reduce the pain. I hate this model of design and I'm done with it.
I much prefer EVE's model of passive skill advancement which solves my problem of not being in game to 'work' on my progression and free's me up for other activites that I find more enjoyable. (even grinding for ISK is preferable to level grinding)
I do not want to trade money for time, I want games designed that focus on having fun, and not toiling away trying to progress my character and having pay to reduce the agony.
But that's just me.
No. Not just you.
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Originally posted by charlespayne Funny how people hate F2P games but yet quite a few of them have more players then wow and have a less chance of being cancled unlike P2P.
Irrelevant.
WoW makes more money than all the F2Ps of the world combined.
Funny how people hate F2P games but yet quite a few of them have more players then wow and have a less chance of being cancled unlike P2P.
Irrelevant.
WoW makes more money than all the F2Ps of the world combined.
I agree. Of course F2P games have more players, there is no barrier for entry. And of course you won't see cancellations, there is nothing to cancel! Being able to draw in large population to a F2P is great from the developers perspective (they need large amounts of people to get some benefit from the cash shop, sort of like needing to reach millions with an ad for a few thousand clicks), but the conditions which make that possible also make the game trash (usually).
Free to play (pay to win) = K.O. for me. So they will introduce a huge grind before you can get to play. In order to avoid it you will have to use item shop, which means the people with a lot of time + money wil wtf pawn every one. Sad another potential mmos goes down the hole.
Btw to the mentioned RoM = In order to be competative in RoM (pvp) you have to spend 100-200 dollars per month ...
I dont know but so far i have never seen a F2P model combined with PvP which works. More and more i start to think its simply doesnt work.
PS : DDO is successfull because it doesnt break gameplay for the sake of itemshop.
I was actually writing off Jumpgate Evolution for 2 reasons.
1. The direction they were taking the game
2. Black Prophecy
The announcement that the game will be F2P hurt my interest in the game. The fact that Jumpgate evolution has recently stated a redesign caused by player feedback basically killed my interest in Black Prophecy.
A pvp game based on a f2p model will fail. I can guarantee it will not be a similar model to guild wars, or global agenda. Shame.
You are assuming that the item shop will be nothing but pvp advantages. Personally I am against the mass majority of item shop games, with their bait-and-switch techniques, but not all item shop games are designed the same. There are item shop games out there that offer almost no advantages to purchased items, other than saving up some easily obtainable points, or gives new skins or the such. A good example of this would be League of Legends.
I think they already announced that the shop will have ALL items available in the game, and that all items in the shop can be achieved without paying if you have the time to grind them. The thing is, the grind will surely be made huge precisely to force people to buy the stuff instead, and worse than that is in a pvp game you MUST buy the best to compete.
Damn shame.
The game looks so good, why didn't a normal p2p publisher pick it up? Maybe they know something we don't, but I can't figure what that could be. Everything about BP looks good.
Say what you will, but most people who hate F2P have a good reason, nothing in life is free, people make games for one reason, to make money. Its a no brainer for this game to be truely fun and get all you can get out of it , it will cost you money sooner or later.
Thats how it works. Sooner or later you will have to pay. There is not a single F2P which doesnt work this way. Especially in pvp oriented games. Pay gives you win button you just need to check out ROM pvp servers.
Say what you will, but most people who hate F2P have a good reason, nothing in life is free, people make games for one reason, to make money. Its a no brainer for this game to be truely fun and get all you can get out of it , it will cost you money sooner or later.
Hmm .. there are SO MANY factual errors.
First, MOST US MMO players do NOT pay .. i.e. .. playing F2P MMOs. More precisely ... 25M of them. i am sure they really hate it like you say. Secondly, they didn't pay for the whole year ... it is not likely that they will pay later. In fact, it is a commonly known fact that only a minority of F2P players ever pay.
I have yet to like a FTP game outside of Guild Wars and then you add the Item mall on top of it...MEH!!!
Doing this makes them look almost as bad as Cryptic as they charge you a monthly sub plus an item mall all while having nothing but an empty cheap crappy game, at least these guys have no monthly sub and for that i will try it, but really its safe to say i really wont look into long term play
A really bad call imo! it seems to be telling me that its just another empty pointless MMO that people would never bother paying a monthly sub for, like so many other FTP games..
Actually BECAUSE it's F2P I'm more interested. For a few reasons:
1. Gameplay. I get bored quickly with one type of gameplay or another so I cycle through. I haven't played Wing Commander, X Wing, or Freespace in a LONG time so I'm sure I could get a good solid month or two out of this. But after that It'll drop out of my rotation. Not having to pay a regular subscription but still be able to "pop back in" to the gameplay is a nice bonus to me.
2. Time per Play. I have a wife and 2 year old daughter, as such I no longer have the time "blocks" I used to. So 15-30 minutes here and there or a few hours at night on the weekends are about all the time I can devote to ANY online game. (Hard to PVP when your 2 Year old is yanking a controller out of your hand!) A subscription format "forces" me to play more or I "feel" that I'm losing out. F2P is a come and go at will and I don't feel was wasteful. As such I am MORE likely to come back to this game than others.
3. Time = Money. My time is valuable to me. 1 hour of my time is worth at LEAST $35. As such I am a key demo for F2P games. I'm the guy who will occasionally buy a new ship type, a paint scheme, or what have you just so I can use it instead of hunt for it in game. Why? Because I'm not going to sink the time to earn them, I'm just going to buy it and enjoy it. Since I'm not there often anyway this won't affect most players. The ones to worry about on this count are the guys with the time AND the money. That's not me.
4. Wife. Simply put she is NOT a space sim gamer. In fact I can list the games she's played on two hands and have fingers left over. As such this is a singular game and one I would not subscribe to because she wouldn't play with me. (Now don't get me wrong I'll try to get her to try it but I'm not holding my breath. She can barely move through Mass Effect 1 and 2!)
5. Depth. How much depth is here? All I've seen is combat stuff which is great, but I don't know too much more about it. (I'm still reading so this could change which is why it's low on my list!) EVE online was a great game and had tons of non-combat stuff for me to do, but it was also SLOW. I don't subscribe to it either even with all the depth there, why would I subscribe to a fast paced action game when I can get a quick hit of that for free or a one time purchase? (I.e. Wing Commander or Freespace style of game. Though no one seems to be making these anymore. )
Basically F2P gives me the old Wing Commander style of game where I can load it up, have some fun, and leave with no commitment or loss if I play it 1 hour in a month. (Which isn't unheard of for me anymore. )
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This game il try only cause nice graphics the boring part wil come after few days.
Thinks that this wil be boring are :there wil be no trading like FL,no capital ships to control,no free universe,it wil be instanced and we wil pass missions to lvl and thats nuts .>.<
Free to play? Deal breaker for me. It's a shame this game looks really good.
wow your a retard so what your saying is that something is bad because its free?
free things are bad because
shitty quality 99% of the time now it isnt bad because its free its bad because free is usually ascociated with shitty quality therefor your saying something is bad not because of quality but because your a spoiled little brat who has too much money to burn I.E saying something is bad purely because its free (sorry if this offends you i could have gone with MUCH more offensive words this is the slightest)
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Free to play? Deal breaker for me. It's a shame this game looks really good.
wow your a retard so what your saying is that something is bad because its free?
free things are bad because
shitty quality 99% of the time now it isnt bad because its free its bad because free is usually ascociated with shitty quality therefor your saying something is bad not because of quality but because your a spoiled little brat who has too much money to burn I.E saying something is bad purely because its free (sorry if this offends you i could have gone with MUCH more offensive words this is the slightest)
If 15 bucks a month makes you a spoiled brat, I'm a lost case and so are the millions of people that play p2p games.
Originally posted by GreenChaos Free to play? Deal breaker for me. It's a shame this game looks really good.
wow your a retard so what your saying is that something is bad because its free? free things are bad because shitty quality 99% of the time now it isnt bad because its free its bad because free is usually ascociated with shitty quality therefor your saying something is bad not because of quality but because your a spoiled little brat who has too much money to burn I.E saying something is bad purely because its free (sorry if this offends you i could have gone with MUCH more offensive words this is the slightest)
"13 year old Male"
This is a good example why most people dislike free to play games. Raging hormonal teens that are free to be loose cannons because they have no worries of having an account being banned because it is free.
That and the required cash shop. Most F2P games are a scam in my opinion.
No one is debating whether or not the game looks good. It's the cash shop impact on game play we're worried about.
Nice to see a raging teen who praises a F2P because its FREE! Gosh ...
F2P works like this :
You pay nothing you get nothing! This point stands. No, you get quite alot for free, paying for extras is optional
To get everything you will pay far more then 15$ per months. Worthless assumption
This statments works very well for every F2P game out there. DDO, Lotro and Wizzards 101 including :-) You fail, since when did Reakktor *have* to use the model of other games? What about GW? Pretty good F2P
Yellow, Just wow, sometimes it baffles me how much people drag assumptions out of their ass. Seriously, many of you guys are so stuck in the old ways and think F2P is the evil that will swallow us all on December 21st 2012.
- F2P does not neccesarily mean you pay more, you and YOU only decide what you want to pay for. In P2P you don't get to chose.
- F2P is the new wagon in town, get over it
- I welcome F2P/hybrid P2P because it gives us OPTIONS. Not everyone have time to sit on the computer all day to grind for epicxx sword of d00m. A carefully balanced in-game shop with the same items available to regular gameplay is very attractive. Especially for those with a busy RL.
Nice to see a raging teen who praises a F2P because its FREE! Gosh ...
F2P works like this :
You pay nothing you get nothing! This point stands. No, you get quite alot for free, paying for extras is optional
To get everything you will pay far more then 15$ per months. Worthless assumption
This statments works very well for every F2P game out there. DDO, Lotro and Wizzards 101 including :-) You fail, since when did Reakktor *have* to use the model of other games? What about GW? Pretty good F2P
Yellow, Just wow, sometimes it baffles me how much people drag assumptions out of their ass. Seriously, many of you guys are so stuck in the old ways and think F2P is the evil that will swallow us all on December 21st 2012.
- F2P does not neccesarily mean you pay more, you and YOU only decide what you want to pay for. In P2P you don't get to chose.
- F2P is the new wagon in town, get over it
- I welcome F2P/hybrid P2P because it gives us OPTIONS. Not everyone have time to sit on the computer all day to grind for epicxx sword of d00m. A carefully balanced in-game shop with the same items available to regular gameplay is very attractive. Especially for those with a busy RL.
Totally agree here. I've never liked the idea of P2P games only because it forces me to commit on the game. With F2P games, it gives me the option of whether I'd like to continue on with the game or move on when Im done. And to be frank, I'm not one of those guys who can still commit on a game thats already 2-3 years old. Simply because I'd prefer to expose myself to many games without the need to settle on subscriptions and whatnot.
Been gaming for a very long time and I can honestly say you cant judge a game simply because its F2P. Besides, take a look at some P2P games that couldnt continue their service. I dont wanna spend all that money and time on a game and then one day they say their gonna close their servers. Take a look at Acclaim. Or even the game "Face of Mankind".
Face of Mankind used to be P2P but it sank totally. And as a resort, they decided to add in a free account model (with certain limits). Still Fail imho.
With this game in mind. I'm thinking the game looks good... but I'm just hoping it wouldnt be like a 10v10 or a creating a game room concept. Gonna hop on in when its out for sure.
Originally posted by LanceDNA Totally agree here. I've never liked the idea of P2P games only because it forces me to commit on the game. With F2P games, it gives me the option of whether I'd like to continue on with the game or move on when Im done. And to be frank, I'm not one of those guys who can still commit on a game thats already 2-3 years old.
F2p is very unethical.. immoral.
The business model depends on abusing the pathological money management problems some people have (uncontrolled spending).. They snag as much as they can from these people.. so that you can play for free.
Totally agree here. I've never liked the idea of P2P games only because it forces me to commit on the game. With F2P games, it gives me the option of whether I'd like to continue on with the game or move on when Im done. And to be frank, I'm not one of those guys who can still commit on a game thats already 2-3 years old.
F2p is very unethical.. immoral.
The business model depends on abusing the pathological money management problems some people have (uncontrolled spending).. They snag as much as they can from these people.. so that you can play for free.
Hummm.
*eyes you suspiciously*
Ermm, I've never paid for a F2P game before.
Of all the years of playing games. There are 2 kinds of players that contributes to the game/company. Just to sum it up. The first kind of players are the one who pays for the game. And the second, players who breathe life into the community. Thats all a game need to survive. If the game doesnt have these 2 basic things. They wont last long.
You may have subscriptions, but without the players, the game would be like a ghosttown.
You may have plenty of pple in the game, but without anyone paying, (you figure this part out).
But I dont think you are right regarding that point. (in red highlight). I'm not sure if that information is accurate but we can play for free simply because they've chose the F2P model. I think there are very few players who have that uncontrolled spending problem.
The OP was probably one of the most retarded things I've ever read on an internet forum:
"Looks good, but F2P so it's bad." What? How does F2P automatically make a game's graphics and gameplay bad? Seriously, this sentence is worthy of a darwin award.
Yes there's a lot of F2P games out there that's spend $100 and you'll own everyone. But BP has already said that they will try to make sure that those who pay will not have an all out owning advantage. I dont understand the whining that people dish out when it comes to people who pay for advantage.
Seriously in Rakion I was killing lv 10 payers when I was a freebie lv 1. Absolutely no joke. In MMOs like this advantage can sometimes mean cheap kills but as long as the advantage can be overcome with skill and brains then I dont have a problem with F2Ps at all. In fact, I've never paid for a p2p for more than 3 months (except iRacing but that's a different story).
Give BP a chance. If the cash shop is ridiculous like ROM then leave... but assuming that the cash shop will before the game even comes out is just retarded. Seriously, how can you not give a game that looks this good a chance. Heck, I think I will even continue to play this game if the cash shop IS ridiculous. I'll just stick to PvE because this game is any spacer's wet dream.
As I've said earlier, assuming that the cash shop will be broken (especially since the devs said they WILL TRY TO KEEP IT SO THAT PAYERS WONT HAVE AN OVERWHELMING ADVANTAGE) lightyears before the game comes out just purely on the vague label of F2P is absolutely retarded.
PS: Regarding kids swarming F2Ps? Yeah, as if the whinny brats (and some of them are yourselves just by your posts in this thread btw) are completely vacant in WoW....Yup P2P games like WoW are such a haven for mature grown up players who never spam and never act obnoxiously by stripping and spouting racist words to get attention.......right....so how many of you have actually played WoW fully? I thought so. Especially since my party always gets screwed over by some immature brat who decides to rush everything then troll us for "getting him killed". Funny how some people pretend they know what they are talking about. Kid's parent's wallet can run deep as well folks
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No, it's me too.
I can understand those that don't like EVE, I didn't like it several years ago, too. But I didn't have kids and a job back than and with all the free time in the world I preffered grinding as a way of skill progression - it felt faster I guess.
But as Kyleran said, with limited free time now, I much rather spend it on things I feel like doing in game than having to waste it all on grinding.
No. Not just you.
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Irrelevant.
WoW makes more money than all the F2Ps of the world combined.
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I agree. Of course F2P games have more players, there is no barrier for entry. And of course you won't see cancellations, there is nothing to cancel! Being able to draw in large population to a F2P is great from the developers perspective (they need large amounts of people to get some benefit from the cash shop, sort of like needing to reach millions with an ad for a few thousand clicks), but the conditions which make that possible also make the game trash (usually).
Free to play (pay to win) = K.O. for me. So they will introduce a huge grind before you can get to play. In order to avoid it you will have to use item shop, which means the people with a lot of time + money wil wtf pawn every one. Sad another potential mmos goes down the hole.
Btw to the mentioned RoM = In order to be competative in RoM (pvp) you have to spend 100-200 dollars per month ...
I dont know but so far i have never seen a F2P model combined with PvP which works. More and more i start to think its simply doesnt work.
PS : DDO is successfull because it doesnt break gameplay for the sake of itemshop.
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I think they already announced that the shop will have ALL items available in the game, and that all items in the shop can be achieved without paying if you have the time to grind them. The thing is, the grind will surely be made huge precisely to force people to buy the stuff instead, and worse than that is in a pvp game you MUST buy the best to compete.
Damn shame.
The game looks so good, why didn't a normal p2p publisher pick it up? Maybe they know something we don't, but I can't figure what that could be. Everything about BP looks good.
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Its a no brainer for this game to be truely fun and get all you can get out of it , it will cost you money sooner or later.
Thats how it works. Sooner or later you will have to pay. There is not a single F2P which doesnt work this way. Especially in pvp oriented games. Pay gives you win button you just need to check out ROM pvp servers.
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Hmm .. there are SO MANY factual errors.
First, MOST US MMO players do NOT pay .. i.e. .. playing F2P MMOs. More precisely ... 25M of them. i am sure they really hate it like you say. Secondly, they didn't pay for the whole year ... it is not likely that they will pay later. In fact, it is a commonly known fact that only a minority of F2P players ever pay.
http://www.gamasutra.com/view/news/27581/Study_US_Gamers_Spent_38_Billion_On_MMOs_in_2009.php
Personally I played DDO for quite a while and i haven't paid a single cent. Oh, and I like it this way.
BP being free to play isn't a deal breaker to me. That'll depend on how they set up their cash shop.
Hell hath no fury like an MMORPG player scorned.
Yup a major let down!!
I have yet to like a FTP game outside of Guild Wars and then you add the Item mall on top of it...MEH!!!
Doing this makes them look almost as bad as Cryptic as they charge you a monthly sub plus an item mall all while having nothing but an empty cheap crappy game, at least these guys have no monthly sub and for that i will try it, but really its safe to say i really wont look into long term play
A really bad call imo! it seems to be telling me that its just another empty pointless MMO that people would never bother paying a monthly sub for, like so many other FTP games..
Actually BECAUSE it's F2P I'm more interested. For a few reasons:
1. Gameplay. I get bored quickly with one type of gameplay or another so I cycle through. I haven't played Wing Commander, X Wing, or Freespace in a LONG time so I'm sure I could get a good solid month or two out of this. But after that It'll drop out of my rotation. Not having to pay a regular subscription but still be able to "pop back in" to the gameplay is a nice bonus to me.
2. Time per Play. I have a wife and 2 year old daughter, as such I no longer have the time "blocks" I used to. So 15-30 minutes here and there or a few hours at night on the weekends are about all the time I can devote to ANY online game. (Hard to PVP when your 2 Year old is yanking a controller out of your hand!) A subscription format "forces" me to play more or I "feel" that I'm losing out. F2P is a come and go at will and I don't feel was wasteful. As such I am MORE likely to come back to this game than others.
3. Time = Money. My time is valuable to me. 1 hour of my time is worth at LEAST $35. As such I am a key demo for F2P games. I'm the guy who will occasionally buy a new ship type, a paint scheme, or what have you just so I can use it instead of hunt for it in game. Why? Because I'm not going to sink the time to earn them, I'm just going to buy it and enjoy it. Since I'm not there often anyway this won't affect most players. The ones to worry about on this count are the guys with the time AND the money. That's not me.
4. Wife.
Simply put she is NOT a space sim gamer. In fact I can list the games she's played on two hands and have fingers left over. As such this is a singular game and one I would not subscribe to because she wouldn't play with me. (Now don't get me wrong I'll try to get her to try it but I'm not holding my breath. She can barely move through Mass Effect 1 and 2!)
5. Depth. How much depth is here? All I've seen is combat stuff which is great, but I don't know too much more about it. (I'm still reading so this could change which is why it's low on my list!) EVE online was a great game and had tons of non-combat stuff for me to do, but it was also SLOW. I don't subscribe to it either even with all the depth there, why would I subscribe to a fast paced action game when I can get a quick hit of that for free or a one time purchase? (I.e. Wing Commander or Freespace style of game. Though no one seems to be making these anymore.
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Basically F2P gives me the old Wing Commander style of game where I can load it up, have some fun, and leave with no commitment or loss if I play it 1 hour in a month. (Which isn't unheard of for me anymore.
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I have a hard time believing people griping about the f2p aspect are never going to at least d/l the game.
This game il try only cause nice graphics the boring part wil come after few days.
Thinks that this wil be boring are :there wil be no trading like FL,no capital ships to control,no free universe,it wil be instanced and we wil pass missions to lvl and thats nuts .>.<
wow your a retard so what your saying is that something is bad because its free?
free things are bad because
shitty quality 99% of the time now it isnt bad because its free its bad because free is usually ascociated with shitty quality therefor your saying something is bad not because of quality but because your a spoiled little brat who has too much money to burn I.E saying something is bad purely because its free (sorry if this offends you i could have gone with MUCH more offensive words this is the slightest)
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If 15 bucks a month makes you a spoiled brat, I'm a lost case and so are the millions of people that play p2p games.
"13 year old Male"
This is a good example why most people dislike free to play games. Raging hormonal teens that are free to be loose cannons because they have no worries of having an account being banned because it is free.
That and the required cash shop. Most F2P games are a scam in my opinion.
No one is debating whether or not the game looks good. It's the cash shop impact on game play we're worried about.
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Nice to see a raging teen who praises a F2P because its FREE! Gosh ...
F2P works like this :
You pay nothing you get nothing! This point stands.
To get everything you will pay far more then 15$ per months.
This statments works very well for every F2P game out there. DDO, Lotro and Wizzards 101 including :-)
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Looked good, but im not touching any game with any part f2p. I would really love if people boycotted in mass so they got the damm point.
Yellow, Just wow, sometimes it baffles me how much people drag assumptions out of their ass. Seriously, many of you guys are so stuck in the old ways and think F2P is the evil that will swallow us all on December 21st 2012.
- F2P does not neccesarily mean you pay more, you and YOU only decide what you want to pay for. In P2P you don't get to chose.
- F2P is the new wagon in town, get over it
- I welcome F2P/hybrid P2P because it gives us OPTIONS. Not everyone have time to sit on the computer all day to grind for epicxx sword of d00m. A carefully balanced in-game shop with the same items available to regular gameplay is very attractive. Especially for those with a busy RL.
Totally agree here. I've never liked the idea of P2P games only because it forces me to commit on the game. With F2P games, it gives me the option of whether I'd like to continue on with the game or move on when Im done. And to be frank, I'm not one of those guys who can still commit on a game thats already 2-3 years old. Simply because I'd prefer to expose myself to many games without the need to settle on subscriptions and whatnot.
Been gaming for a very long time and I can honestly say you cant judge a game simply because its F2P. Besides, take a look at some P2P games that couldnt continue their service. I dont wanna spend all that money and time on a game and then one day they say their gonna close their servers. Take a look at Acclaim. Or even the game "Face of Mankind".
Face of Mankind used to be P2P but it sank totally. And as a resort, they decided to add in a free account model (with certain limits). Still Fail imho.
With this game in mind. I'm thinking the game looks good... but I'm just hoping it wouldnt be like a 10v10 or a creating a game room concept. Gonna hop on in when its out for sure.
F2p is very unethical.. immoral.
The business model depends on abusing the pathological money management problems some people have (uncontrolled spending).. They snag as much as they can from these people.. so that you can play for free.
Hummm.
*eyes you suspiciously*
Ermm, I've never paid for a F2P game before.
Of all the years of playing games. There are 2 kinds of players that contributes to the game/company. Just to sum it up. The first kind of players are the one who pays for the game. And the second, players who breathe life into the community. Thats all a game need to survive. If the game doesnt have these 2 basic things. They wont last long.
You may have subscriptions, but without the players, the game would be like a ghosttown.
You may have plenty of pple in the game, but without anyone paying, (you figure this part out).
But I dont think you are right regarding that point. (in red highlight). I'm not sure if that information is accurate but we can play for free simply because they've chose the F2P model. I think there are very few players who have that uncontrolled spending problem.
The OP was probably one of the most retarded things I've ever read on an internet forum:
"Looks good, but F2P so it's bad." What? How does F2P automatically make a game's graphics and gameplay bad? Seriously, this sentence is worthy of a darwin award.
Yes there's a lot of F2P games out there that's spend $100 and you'll own everyone. But BP has already said that they will try to make sure that those who pay will not have an all out owning advantage. I dont understand the whining that people dish out when it comes to people who pay for advantage.
Seriously in Rakion I was killing lv 10 payers when I was a freebie lv 1. Absolutely no joke. In MMOs like this advantage can sometimes mean cheap kills but as long as the advantage can be overcome with skill and brains then I dont have a problem with F2Ps at all. In fact, I've never paid for a p2p for more than 3 months (except iRacing but that's a different story).
Give BP a chance. If the cash shop is ridiculous like ROM then leave... but assuming that the cash shop will before the game even comes out is just retarded. Seriously, how can you not give a game that looks this good a chance. Heck, I think I will even continue to play this game if the cash shop IS ridiculous. I'll just stick to PvE because this game is any spacer's wet dream.
As I've said earlier, assuming that the cash shop will be broken (especially since the devs said they WILL TRY TO KEEP IT SO THAT PAYERS WONT HAVE AN OVERWHELMING ADVANTAGE) lightyears before the game comes out just purely on the vague label of F2P is absolutely retarded.
PS: Regarding kids swarming F2Ps? Yeah, as if the whinny brats (and some of them are yourselves just by your posts in this thread btw) are completely vacant in WoW....Yup P2P games like WoW are such a haven for mature grown up players who never spam and never act obnoxiously by stripping and spouting racist words to get attention.......right....so how many of you have actually played WoW fully? I thought so. Especially since my party always gets screwed over by some immature brat who decides to rush everything then troll us for "getting him killed". Funny how some people pretend they know what they are talking about. Kid's parent's wallet can run deep as well folks
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