The reason why i can't stick with lotro

Rulero

i like almost evry aspect of lotro. and enjoy its gameplay and quest lines.  but there is one thing why i cant play this game very long. in my opinion the lore does not fit into an mmorpg, because its locked inside a cage and it can only move within that cage but never escape it. What i try to say with this is, that the lore is so strict that things become immersion breaking for me.  

For example they named rangers, hunters. so they could walk arround that fact, yes i know hunters 

same counts for runemasters. 

also not being able to die and such.  it are those little things that make me think that its all a bit fake and not in contrast with the lore. Dont get me wrong. i do not bash the game. i think turbine is one of the best mmo devs to date. the game was polished upon release. and also the community was very good

but the idea that it can never come up with something completley different, like new races or new citys and such

without the devs making it up. made me give up this game for good

Sovrath

Originally posted by Rulero

i like almost evry aspect of lotro. and enjoy its gameplay and quest lines.  but there is one thing why i cant play this game very long. in my opinion the lore does not fit into an mmorpg, because its locked inside a cage and it can only move within that cage but never escape it. What i try to say with this is, that the lore is so strict that things become immersion breaking for me.  

For example they named rangers, hunters. so they could walk arround that fact, yes i know hunters 

same counts for runemasters. 

also not being able to die and such.  it are those little things that make me think that its all a bit fake and not in contrast with the lore. Dont get me wrong. i do not bash the game. i think turbine is one of the best mmo devs to date. the game was polished upon release. and also the community was very good

but the idea that it can never come up with something completley different, like new races or new citys and such

without the devs making it up. made me give up this game for good

I appreciate your stance but I find it hard to accept. well, I can accept it but truly understand might be a better word.

So, if a world war I game was made then because new races and lasers couldnt' be introduced it wouldn't be of interest? Or a game based on the Dark Ages in Europe that didn't have iron weapons?

I don't see why it's hard to play a game that is actually within a particular world over "generic fantasy game #233"

So what if a bow using class is a hunter? So what if (a wildly lore inappropriate class) is called a "Runekeeper" over Sorcerer.

And here is a question, why would you want "new races' that don't fit in the world or at least into the genral story? To see ents hanging around bree dueling with Necromancers just seems so out of place. My question would be "are you interested in playing a fantasy game or are you interested in playing in Middle Earth?"

I don't mean to be rude or to call you on the carpet and I apologize if it seems that way. I really do. But you are not the first person who has complained about Middle Earth not including things that don't belong in Middle Earth. I suppose I just can't get around the fact that there are players who just want to play in a fantasy game with a middle earth wrapper as opposed to actually playing in middle earth.

My thought is that once you start throwing in everything but the kitchen sink the game no longer is in middle earth. Might as well be in any Dungeons and Dragons realm.

So in the end I really don't see you interested in playing in middle earth but more of a fantasy world. That's fine, I can easily see the draw for that.

But for those of us who actually think the world of middle earth is special and unique we are here precisely because it is middle earth and not "generic fantasy world 233" or "World War I mmorpg with lasers".

 

As far as keeping to the lore, trust me, they have already deviated quite a bit from the lore.

In any case I do hope you find a high fantasy game that you enjoy. I know I constantly look for one.

Rulero

I understand some of your statements but at some parts of your post  it seems you misunderstood me.

I do not want new races in lotro. i do not want extra things in lotro that do not fit there.

But i want an mmo setting that has the room to evolve, and i have the feeling that when too much things get out of place in lotro

the core will be overwhelmed, But its also a problem to not add new content

youve said that yourself

 

" (My thought is that once you start throwing in everything but the kitchen sink the game no longer is in middle earth. Might as well be in any Dungeons and Dragons realm.)" 

 

but that is the reason why i have problems sticking to it. because evry time i come across something that is not in line with the lore , it feels that something is not right. 

A good argument wich you probably can get into is that in some quest hubs you see important people from the lotr story.

and when 10 players are standing around him/her reading the quest it feels like the npc is a celebrity turning out signatures.

Yes this is also the case in EQ, or wow, or almost evry quest based mmo, im aware of that. but  the lore of norrath an azeroth is 50% serious and 50% winking at you.  Lotr seems more mysterious and surreal. and persons in it have a closed personality and must have your trust before they want to deal with you

Therefor i think lotr would fit more in a second life like game where in combat or adventure is not its core aspect

I really want to make clear that i do not hate lotro. its atmosphere is great and i loved the instanced quests and the eye for detail is outstanding, but it are always these thoughts in the back of my head that ruin it for me.

 

As closing comment i want to give you thumbs up for actualy responding with a good argumented non harsh post

something that seems rare on these boards nowadays

 

btw its a bit funny but i am actualy playing that wo1 game with lasers since last week "Necrovision lost company"  xD

 

 

Rockgod99

I liked the lore and how it followed the books. Kinda what i was looking for in a Rings mmo.

My issues are with its mechanics and classes.

I've always had a problem with Lotro's combat and for some reason I have never been able to feel any attachment to the games classes.

I've been playing MMOs damn near forever and this is the first game where I can honestly say every class felt bland and uninteresting for me.

Pisses me off to no end.

Kordesh

Basically, what he's saying is that there are two options with the game. Either it stays true to the lore and has limited ability for developers to think up new and interesting things for it, or it breaks the hell out of the lore to introduce new things in which case it ceases to be Lotro. I can understand his point, as I too love nearly every aspect of the game, but the bestiary eventually put me off it for good, which is a consequence of following the strict lore. There simply are not that many creature variations in the world, so spiders,birds,and billions of orcs are all you end up with. 

edit: Response to the above. I can usually get over it after a while, but I understand what you mean. The classes in the game have always felt a bit "off" and I think it's more or less just the animations/general flow of combat that makes it all seem underwhelming. 

Kyleran

Originally posted by Rulero

 

but that is the reason why i have problems sticking to it. because evry time i come across something that is not in line with the lore , it feels that something is not right. 

A good argument wich you probably can get into is that in some quest hubs you see important people from the lotr story.

and when 10 players are standing around him/her reading the quest it feels like the npc is a celebrity turning out signatures.

Yes this is also the case in EQ, or wow, or almost evry quest based mmo, im aware of that. but  the lore of norrath an azeroth is 50% serious and 50% winking at you.  Lotr seems more mysterious and surreal. and persons in it have a closed personality and must have your trust before they want to deal with you

Therefor i think lotr would fit more in a second life like game where in combat or adventure is not its core aspect

 

Whenever one plays MMORPG's you have to set aside reality quite a bit because by their very nature, you will always have far too many players around talking to npc's, or doing the same 'epic' quest, killing the same epic boss right in front of you.  Only way to avoid that is to stick to single player games if you want to feel like a solo hero in the story.

And all MMO"s that are based on a well known lore such as SWG or LotRO have to make deviations in the story lore in order to keep the game fun.  If only a handful of players could be magic users in LoTRO few would play. (some argue that even runekeepers aren't enough like Gandalf)

As ot your last statement I have to disagree, the story of the Lord of the Rings is nothing but a tale of combat annd adventure, and whle I would have preferred to have more a middle earth simulation that could have expanded outside of (but been in keeping with( the traditional lore, you can't really experience the world w/o standing on the walls of Helm's deep and fighting for your life against the Orc hordes.  (do they even have anything like this yet?)

 

Sovrath

Originally posted by Rulero

 

A good argument wich you probably can get into is that in some quest hubs you see important people from the lotr story.

and when 10 players are standing around him/her reading the quest it feels like the npc is a celebrity turning out signatures.

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As closing comment i want to give you thumbs up for actualy responding with a good argumented non harsh post

something that seems rare on these boards nowadays

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btw its a bit funny but i am actualy playing that wo1 game with lasers since last week "Necrovision lost company"  xD

 

 

I know what you mean as it bothers me when everyone is standing around Aragorn in Bree or Elrond in Rivendell. I always have to envision that other players are doing other things for them or that they are meeting for other reasons. Sort of like holding court. I hate it but for whatever reason Turbine wasn't sensitive to this.

As far as the game growing, it could grow as there is a lot of extra information in the appendices that can be used and built upon. And once the game gets to the 4th age then there is even more room to grow.

 

I try not to make harsh posts because at the end of the day, whe all is said and done, it's how you think and feel and I dont' see where I or anyone has the right to insult someone for how they think and feel. Yelling at someone or insulting them is not going to win any oonverts and only in discussion can we find any middle ground in another's opinion.

 

hmmmm... WW I with lasers... mayber the history books WERE wrong!

Darth_Pete

I have similar problem. I've been playing LOTRO on and off from the start but I always last only few months at best and then I just go on a break for 3-6 months. Main problem for me is that the class & combat system is very bland and the races don't feel all that different like they should. There is no feel of progression and your character feels weak. Also in my opinnion the character models look just crap.

Doushi

reason why I didnt stick with it was really simple, I loved how to world looks, Im not tolkien fan but I dont hate it either, but the gamebreaking one for me was.. The horrible animations/character quality!

I tried my best to overlook those things but I just cant, I mean, I have to watch those every single second i play, and if they are not smooth and nice, how im supose to let my self immerse to the game if I keep smirking off every time I see them..

When they upgrade them. Il be instantly there.

CujoSWAoA

The entire world of LOTRO is a massive theme park.

You expect to step through a gate somewhere and end up in a Parking Lot full of everyone's cars.

Just press "M" and look at the goofy cartoon maps that you get in every zone. "oooooh! Over there is SPIDER LAND, lets go to Spider land!! And then after that we can go down to the Yeti Playground! WoooooooOOOoo!" -- "Hold on, hold on... I have to talk to this Elrond-shaped wax statue to get my next quest!"

The game's crap attempts at maintaining theme are embarrassing.   Rangers are named Hunters, but Hobbits roam the lands of Middle Earth freely and openly in hordes and hordes! Stupid.

I applaud Turbine for their success, but they didn't make a good Lord of the Rings game.

Hazevamp

I have played LORO off and on as well. What keeps me coming back is the fact that it can be a fun game and if you overlook the combat and character designs and focus on the task at hand and the world you are part of it can be a very good experience. Most of the people are nice so that helps as well. But after a while of slaying a million orcs, spiders, wargs, and goblins. It wears thin. Then the grinding for gear and not being able to participate in certain events unless you had Radiance gear. Then you had to have a high radiance number. To get that you must do three mans a million times, killing wargs and orcs. Then you do more instances killing orcs and goblins. Not to mention that these three mans consists of a healer and two other classes so if you want to see most of the content the game has to offer you better role a healer type class even if you don't want to. 

Despite knowing all of this, I am thinking of resubbing. But I wonder if it is only because I have nothing else to play right now and need something to do before SWTOR comes out. Sadly when I did resub to LOTRO months ago I did so beliving I would play and take my time and it would keep me busy until SWTOR comes out. lol!