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osmunda
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For the record, I think Xsyon is likely to be a reasonably good game once it's finished, but I am guaranteeing right now that some of you will be disappointed.
A couple of the people currently following xsyon (you know who you are) were big fans of Darkfall until their opinion soured and they became major critics of Darkfall. They then repeated exactly the same thing with Mortal online. There are also a couple people who have previously been banned from independently developed MMOs because of violating the terms of service,
Right now, Xsyon is in it's "perfect state". It is alot of wonderful design ideas onto which people can project their hopes for the next great sandbox. As it gets closer to realization, Notorious games will make design choices that dissapoint some of the current fans. There will be bugs (some of them major). There will be setbacks. Some of the systems currently planned will have unintended consequences (I'm looking at you alignments system). There will be server/client issues (lag, desynch, disconnects). All of these things I can guarantee because that is simply the nature of MMO development and no MMO can avoid all these pitfalls.
When these things happen, remember, you've been warned. When they do happen, step back and consider whether Xsyon can still become a reasonably enjoyable game, despite not living up to your hopes. If, in your mind it's still possible. step back, take a break, then try to appreciate the game for what it is. If, in your mind, it's no longer possible, step away from the game.There will still be people here that appreciate the game for what it is, and digging around for any and every negative thing you can say about it will just aggravate the people still following the game.
Again, for the record, I think Xsyon is likely to become a reasonably good game, once it is finished. Jordi Grau Davis was central to the design of Roma Victor and brings with him all his knowledge about game design and programming skill. The design of Xsyon is likely to be heavily informed by his experiencese with Roma Victor (for good and for ill) If Xsyon ends up being little more than Roma Victor 2.0 it will still be living up to 80-90% of what the websitetells you about the game currently. That being said, there are certainly things to suggest that Xsyon has a rocky road ahead of it (which I will get into in a later post) When it hits that rocky road, remember, you've been warned. Try to have no regrets for following it, just step back and appreciate it for what it is, or step away.
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I am not defending the game, but here is my opinion
Mortal Online = $75 with 1 month game time
Xsyon = $40 with 2 month game time
Mortal Online = does not have a strategy on what they are doing, just throw content in randomly
Xsyon = Evolution system where content is eventually added
Mortal Online = uses the UE engine, which was not created for an huge open world MMO, was made for instance based games
Xsyon = custom created engine that can be easily modified because of the teraforming in game
Mortal Online = created by inexperienced developers that have never created a game before, just modded UE alittle
Xsyon = developers have worked on previous projects such as Roma Victor (have experience)
That is just a few differences between Mortal Online and Xsyon I could think of right now.
It's a little early to be declaring victory. I'm now convinced that the game is real, but there is a long a way to go. The devs said that only features that were in would be announced, but right now all the videos show is people chopping down trees and running around.
I don't think he's asking for a comparison. I think he's asking that people not tear into Notorious if the game doesn't turn out to be the epitome of your expectations. You know enjoy the game for what it is and who made it, rather than what you want it to be and who you would have preferred to make it.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Hm, "take it for what it is and not what your expectations are" applies to pretty much every game.
So, what is the point of this thread? Are you currently testing? If not, why are you predicting how this game will be? You lost me somewhere between the title and your first sentence.
I am wondering also
From what I understand most of the content is switched off at present. Which if we have learned anything from beta's or launch games over the years, this is a horrible idea.
They have about 6 weeks, to polish and fine tune everything they are planning on launching with. WIth no true beta, they're not even calling what's going on now "beta". Which means players aren't going to be playing like they are playing a beta. Which means less bugs being reported, less bug finding etc...
I am very skeptical in regard to what the end result will be. I'm all for indie sandbox games being made, I will root for Notorious, SV, Icarus and Adventurine until the end. However, I question the decision to not offer beta testing as it helps ensure a stable game. We shall see...
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
Now that you see there is a game, you still complain? hello, just because we only saw this small part of the game doesn't mean it's everything it has to offer. I won't say it's a great game, or that skipping a free beta was wise or anything, but it seems to me you are now only searching for something to nitpick. Just wait until we can hear more from the testers, get more footage, then you can still bash it all you want.
I'm not nit picking at all I was expressing a concern. I don't bash games BTW, never have and I don't plan to start now. If I don't like a game I ignore it. I am actually very intrigued by the feature list, as well as by the videos that have released so far.
I still hold caution in getting to excited just yet, due to no beta, and the limited release they are going for. We're not going to see just how well this game plays and how much it can handle for quite some time.
My other concern is holding off on releasing content they plan to launch with, which will need testing just as any other piece of code does. With their scheduled release date of May 15th. They're not providing themselves a whole lot of time for polish and stability fixing.
For every minute you are angry , you lose 60 seconds of happiness."-Emerson
I sense some conceptual appreciation for Xsyon in that post, so this is not meant to be a wise-ass response, but the same post can apply to the other 50 or so forums of new games yet-to-be released.
That is, since you pretty much defined the pre-launch position of every not-released game, the cautious expectation every gamer should have rolling into a new game, that design modifications to balance and clean game-play will be appreciated by some and not by others post-launch, etc.
From what little I've seen and heard, as with any new indie title, there is work to be done. Im not playing Darkfall b/c it's very heavy emphasis on large-scale pvp and no consequence or real meaning behind pvp actions, not playing Fallen Earth b/c it's a pve-centric, quest-heavy, single-player emphasis game, and Mortal Online just reaks of mmorpg incompleteness.
So yea, I'm following Xsyon while being cautiously optomistic.
personally i think Xsyon looks completely horrible from all the videos and pics i have seen and yep im going to step away, not keep spamming forums that the game is horrible.
Well dunno, but for 10$ I don't see why I wouldn't try out xsyon (40$ for preorder, which includes 2 months, which are 14.99, so essentially 30$ value)
iJust going to hit up on a few points that I read about.
1.) There is a reason why Jooky does not mention RV. He is not a slacker like the rest of the RB team. Many people from RV do know him and can attest to his capabilities as a developer.
2.) With disabling features and slowly enabling them the reason for this is to test each one individually. Once the feature has been declaried fully functional and as desired the next one will be enabled. If 2 features work perfectly seperately but not when enabled togeather then there is interference. The enabling is to figure out bugs that are soley the feature and interferance problems.
I would say they are in a phased open beta now. Prelude, the first phase after the official launch, is not what they are calling beta because it is part of a phased game development strategy which is about all a small indie developer can do and still have funding. This phased game development strategy also allows feedback from the community to be incorporated into the game and corrections made to game elements before they become too embeded into the game.
Debugging one part of a complex program at a time is really the standard and best strrategy in software development. I write programs and that is how I work.
yeah but that's like going into Jumpgate Evolution and saying it'll be crap because Netdevil did Auto Assault which was a failure.... and still regarded as such.
Experiance is always good, even if past results weren't desirable.
if that wasn't the case, none of us would have been able to read, write or speak very well :-p
"nothing actually matters, we're just slightly evolved monkeys clinging to a dying piece of rock hurtling through space waiting for our eventual death." - Frankie Boyle, Mock The Week
actully not allt he devs worke don roma the main dev that isnt no slouch in coding is working on this game
I want to clear this up. THERE IS NO DESYNC PROBLEM.
I have no idea where you getting that from but its 100% untrue. Unless you are talking about Mortal Online.
Now to move on, I have access to the game, and Im pretty harsh on games. Ive made other posts on here, look for them for my opinions. I dont sugar coat it at all.
-MrDDT
hI got the chills when i saw this treads title. So...threatening? Lol
Well in their defense, DnL was pretty awesome a project for a lowbie team of devs to work on.. It did have some pretty nice features, back when the beta was beta and not the live game lol. If only that game had worked out eh?
But yea, experience with RV is a good thing. Experience is experience, and unless someone is a total failure, one usually learns from one's mistakes in the long run
okay tootsie. I think you need to go back and read.. That post obviously states they were talking about Mortal Online. Relax
Yes, he said MO had a strategy but it broke down when the desync problem came up. I don't quite agree with that, didn't look that way to me. From the start of Block A access, they seemed to be doing stuff on the fly with no particular plan.
There we have it folks. Someone who actually knows about Xsyon and is not just speculating based on screenshots and videos. Thanks for the vids, btw, MrDDT, keep 'em comin when new stuff is available!
edit: damnit this stupid text editor this site uses is starting to piss me off
Like I said I wanted to make it clear that Xsyon is NOT having a desync problem. Im pretty sure I left the end of my statement to say he might have been talking about MO.
Again XSYON IS NOT HAVING ANY DESYNC ISSUES.
=P
I will be posting more videos soon as I can promise. Anything you want in the video?
-MrDDT
Just wondering, are you basically calling the people at Red Bedlam lazy? On their website, they describe the split in fairly amicable terms. "Roma Victor has never paid its way - in fact it hasn't even come close to recouping the huge personal investment that I and others have made. This has made it very difficult, if not impossible, for us to provide the significant updates and improvements to Roma Victor that we'd all like to see. So much so that when we could no longer afford to regularly and reliably pay Jooky, he began - quite understandably - to lose interest in both RedBedlam and Roma Victor, which in turn meant that client updates were less frequent and somewhat less satisfactory."
I see no reason to distance himself from his work on Roma Victor, regardless of perceptions about its quality. To quote other posters in this thread...
randomt: But yea, experience with RV is a good thing. Experience is experience, and unless someone is a total failure, one usually learns from one's mistakes in the long run
describable: Experiance is always good, even if past results weren't desirable.if that wasn't the case, none of us would have been able to read, write or speak very well :-p
EXACTLY
reijan: So, what is the point of this thread? Are you currently testing? If not, why are you predicting how this game will be? You lost me somewhere between the title and your first sentence.
Does that answer your question reijan? It's not as if "There will be bugs (some of them major). There will be setbacks. " are bold predictions. Name one MMO where those statements do not apply.
A game with no players doesn't have desync? OMG!! This sounds like a winner!
http://www.twitch.tv/got_game_tv/ (livestream)
The War Z Shenanigans(youtube)
DayZ FUNTIME!
Mortal Online Vids
Not to get into this too much buttt
Your believing what what a dev wrote about themselves? The same Dev who lied to the community on release about if we delay it then there will be twice the land size and animals...finally 6 months later what comes? A dev that constantly pormissed things that never happened? A dev whom it took months to put in anything new and never fixed the major stuff?
ok...just checking