so far this game looks too amazing to miss, i know theres things that will change ,but that happens when concepts get transfered over. I also tend to go towards the more graphic and beautiful games mostly because i can run it and suprisingly its not the combat that made me interested but more the nostalgic feel the screen shots show (for me anyway). Plus if it is a grinder i don't mind that much because in games like wow people get to cap and dont know their class
This game looks like it could be promising. As for all the slutty outfits, pretty much every game I've played including wow has the whole slutty thing going on so i dont know why that would be a game breaker for anyone...
The whole grindfest thing i cant understand either, there is a larged percentage of the mmo comunity who dont even know anything about the lore to the games we all play anyways. I personally like to look into the story lines so that each game a play feels like im being immersed with in a book i am reading. But not everyone is like that.
WoW, Aion, Everquest 2, ect, all had the same "grinding" aspect to it despite being made by different companies even though some may not agree. It really was the same go do this quest and return. One thing that Aion did improve on was a having the small cutscenes with the discription of the quest that you were doing. So i really dont see any arguement with this grinding stuff.
All in all I really dont see the point of alot of these bashing post. "Oh it's just going to be another korean grinder game even though I'm not going to play it I have to put my two cents in and rile some people up." I'm personally quite tired of hear that same thing in every forum I see for a eastern game.
Anyways, So far I'm not really blown away with the game but I am very interested enough to try the game in beta or when it comes out to see the delivery and play style of the game. What I'm really hoping is that the people in these Focus Groups and Beta testing actually report glitches in the games and not sit there and just play the game with out doing an analysis of the game. That way the game is released with polish which has been where alot of MMO's have been failing.
There arent many people talking about this because its a korean mmo. People have learned to expect little from them.
Does anyone else see quite a bit of racism behind all this?
Like saying German Steel is better quality than Chinese Steel? No, there isn't anything inherintly racist about drawing comparisons based on standard for excellence and quality.
Striving for Silver Stars since Gold is so effeminate.
Asian grinder with that generic, horrible 'mangaesque' look.
No thanks.
1) All games have grind.
2) The most common answer a gamer will say is " I play for the game play and not for the looks".
Funny how these two points get turned around when the topic is about a western game compaired to an eastern game.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
it seems that the naysayers of this game have more of a problem with Asian art style than with anything else. If that is the case, then (as with most arguments on the interwebs) this argument is pointless. It is a question of different tastes.
I for one am looking forward to Tera's release. And i am not going to pass judgement upon it until I play it
Asian grinder with that generic, horrible 'mangaesque' look.
No thanks.
1) All games have grind.
But Asian games are made with the pay-as-you-play method in mind. That means they have much larger grinds than western games that use the subscription model.
Well it's quite simple, if you have played one Korean MMO you have played them all, only the graphics change but all the rest is there, same character animation, same "sword fight" fireworks graphics, same grind, same pointless boring quests, simplistic crafting,ect.
Well it's quite simple, if you have played one Korean MMO you have played them all, only the graphics change but all the rest is there, same character animation, same "sword fight" fireworks graphics, same grind, same pointless boring quests, simplistic crafting,ect.
And you ask why people don't get hyped over Tera?
In that context we could also say that, if you played WoW you have played all Western MMOs there is really nothing to be hyped about, everyone knows that besides WoW and EVE all western mmos are a big pile of dung, with 90% WoW features and some uninteresting twist on the top so they can call it something else and dont get sued by Blizzard.
I think at this point our best hopes of a good game are with Korean grinders, or Blizzard's next MMO because following the trend of western MMOs since WoW's release everything has been a pile of crap and I doubt its going to change any time soon. Actually we can conclude at this point from putting together data from the last 6 years that Western companies besides Blizzard are utterly incompetent or physically incapable of making a good MMORPG.
Cant really wait until people start calling SWTOR just another WoW its going to be fun!
Well it's quite simple, if you have played one Korean MMO you have played them all, only the graphics change but all the rest is there, same character animation, same "sword fight" fireworks graphics, same grind, same pointless boring quests, simplistic crafting,ect.
Korean = Work that makes you feel good when you succeed
US grind = Lazy people that need everything done for them.
Stereotypes ftw!
I really don't want a Game like WoW where you can just download mods do to all the work for you.
I also don't want "Welfare Epics" which came from WoW.
"You have some serious mental issues you may need to seek some help for. There are others who post things, but do not post them in the way you do. Out of every person who posts crazy shit in this forum, you have some of the craziest and scariest" -FarReach
Granted Korean games for the most part are grindy as hell but I don't see much difference compared to western games.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
There arent many people talking about this because its a korean mmo. People have learned to expect little from them.
The Chronicles of Spellborn also had players aim their attacks, but no TERA hype levels. Why? Maybe because the characters in Spellborn didnt look like cheap under aged whores.
There are not alot of people talkin about this game because its not close to being released yet. Just wait till this game gets its offical Western release date and US Beta dates. You say people can expect little from Korean games but I always ask this same question. Where are all these great Western MMOs? Name me one great western mmo that has released in the last 5 years.
I wont answer your question, but i have a question for you. How much korean mmorpg's are free? So tell me, whats worst then being free seriously? Then, try to count the succesful korean mmorpg's out there. There are even free korean mmorpg's under development. I dont see western doing free mmorpg's when the game is not even release yet.
After all, even if western have less mmorpg then asian, thats not the only type of game we make. The same argument can fall in the amount of RPG games asian make. Western on the RPG part, we only have few ones and once they release, they sales over millions of copy. Asian dont have the right to make FPS games because its against the law(I talk about japonies) So Asian cant win on that part. Asian fails at making RTS games. I dont know any asian RTS game anyway, but still, starcraft and some other RTS are ruled by Koreans. Western still gather all that money.
The truth, Asian find something that work. If it work the 1st time, they make plenty of that same game. (Final fantazy 1 to 14. Whats next?) Western developers are simply more innovative and they make more by making less. Quality over quantity.
On the RPG part, the last RPG asian made is White knight. The game is already forgoten. I bought it the day it was release, hated it and sold it to get 35$ back.
Well it's quite simple, if you have played one Korean MMO you have played them all, only the graphics change but all the rest is there, same character animation, same "sword fight" fireworks graphics, same grind, same pointless boring quests, simplistic crafting,ect.
And you ask why people don't get hyped over Tera?
In that context we could also say that, if you played WoW you have played all Western MMOs there is really nothing to be hyped about, everyone knows that besides WoW and EVE all western mmos are a big pile of dung, with 90% WoW features and some uninteresting twist on the top so they can call it something else and dont get sued by Blizzard.
I think at this point our best hopes of a good game are with Korean grinders, or Blizzard's next MMO because following the trend of western MMOs since WoW's release everything has been a pile of crap and I doubt its going to change any time soon. Actually we can conclude at this point from putting together data from the last 6 years that Western companies besides Blizzard are utterly incompetent or physically incapable of making a good MMORPG.
Cant really wait until people start calling SWTOR just another WoW its going to be fun!
You you could not say that once we played wow, we played all Western mmorpg's.
You got Wow, Eve, Warhammer, Darkfall, Mortal online (soon), Ultima online(for some that are still at it) Asheron Call, WW2, earth rise (soon), SWTOR(If you say SWTOR will be a clone of war, you are wrong, Bioware have their own method of making games) I could go on, but il stop here.
None of these game seem to be like each others. Dont even try to say that wow is same as warhammer if you didnt play both of them long enough.
There arent many people talking about this because its a korean mmo. People have learned to expect little from them.
The Chronicles of Spellborn also had players aim their attacks, but no TERA hype levels. Why? Maybe because the characters in Spellborn didnt look like cheap under aged whores.
There are not alot of people talkin about this game because its not close to being released yet. Just wait till this game gets its offical Western release date and US Beta dates. You say people can expect little from Korean games but I always ask this same question. Where are all these great Western MMOs? Name me one great western mmo that has released in the last 5 years.
I wont answer your question, but i have a question for you. How much korean mmorpg's are free? So tell me, whats worst then being free seriously? Then, try to count the succesful korean mmorpg's out there. There are even free korean mmorpg's under development. I dont see western doing free mmorpg's when the game is not even release yet.
After all, even if western have less mmorpg then asian, thats not the only type of game we make. The same argument can fall in the amount of RPG games asian make. Western on the RPG part, we only have few ones and once they release, they sales over millions of copy. Asian dont have the right to make FPS games because its against the law(I talk about japonies) So Asian cant win on that part. Asian fails at making RTS games. I dont know any asian RTS game anyway, but still, starcraft and some other RTS are ruled by Koreans. Western still gather all that money.
The truth, Asian find something that work. If it work the 1st time, they make plenty of that same game. (Final fantazy 1 to 14. Whats next?) Western developers are simply more innovative and they make more by making less. Quality over quantity.
On the RPG part, the last RPG asian made is White knight. The game is already forgoten. I bought it the day it was release, hated it and sold it to get 35$ back.
You are totally on a different subject. I could care less about console games or stratagy games. I am talking about MMOs and there has not been anything released since World Of Warcraft 6 years ago thats been considered a great game. I am not saying that Asain is better but we have come to not expect much from the West as well as the East.
Honestly, the graphics do look amazing. However graphics is not what makes for a great game. If it only offers a limited linear path (and it probably will...like all other post-WoW MMOs), then I will not even be remotely interested in it.
It seems that, in the attmpt to water down everything in MMOs of today, developers have forgotten all about dynamics and the freedom of choice path to do or become whatever you want.
There arent many people talking about this because its a korean mmo. People have learned to expect little from them.
The Chronicles of Spellborn also had players aim their attacks, but no TERA hype levels. Why? Maybe because the characters in Spellborn didnt look like cheap under aged whores.
There are not alot of people talkin about this game because its not close to being released yet. Just wait till this game gets its offical Western release date and US Beta dates. You say people can expect little from Korean games but I always ask this same question. Where are all these great Western MMOs? Name me one great western mmo that has released in the last 5 years.
I wont answer your question, but i have a question for you. How much korean mmorpg's are free? So tell me, whats worst then being free seriously? Then, try to count the succesful korean mmorpg's out there. There are even free korean mmorpg's under development. I dont see western doing free mmorpg's when the game is not even release yet.
After all, even if western have less mmorpg then asian, thats not the only type of game we make. The same argument can fall in the amount of RPG games asian make. Western on the RPG part, we only have few ones and once they release, they sales over millions of copy. Asian dont have the right to make FPS games because its against the law(I talk about japonies) So Asian cant win on that part. Asian fails at making RTS games. I dont know any asian RTS game anyway, but still, starcraft and some other RTS are ruled by Koreans. Western still gather all that money.
The truth, Asian find something that work. If it work the 1st time, they make plenty of that same game. (Final fantazy 1 to 14. Whats next?) Western developers are simply more innovative and they make more by making less. Quality over quantity.
On the RPG part, the last RPG asian made is White knight. The game is already forgoten. I bought it the day it was release, hated it and sold it to get 35$ back.
You are totally on a different subject. I could care less about console games or stratagy games. I am talking about MMOs and there has not been anything released since World Of Warcraft 6 years ago thats been considered a great game. I am not saying that Asain is better but we have come to not expect much from the West as well as the East.
Why do you have to consider wow as the only western great game? Because of the subs count? Dont get fooled by numbers. There are more kids then any other type of players in wow. Parents buy wow for their kids. Aoc is a great game, but only adult play that. 15+ kids only play aoc if they start working because i dont think a parent will pay AOC for their child.
Honestly, the graphics do look amazing. However graphics is not what makes for a great game. If it only offers a limited linear path (and it probably will...like all other post-WoW MMOs), then I will not even be remotely interested in it.
It seems that, in the attmpt to water down everything in MMOs of today, developers have forgotten all about dynamics and the freedom of choice path to do or become whatever you want.
This. I am not excited about TERA just as I am not excited about any MMO anymore. Im passively trying a few out this year. If one impresses me, cool. If not, I dont think Im going to lose sleep over not subscribing to an MMO in 2010, or even 2011.
I think TERA looks pretty awesome, although I also played Aion and was... "dicksappointed". Turned into yet another grind-fest, aka the lazy way to develop a game. I agree with many people that the graphics are great and they seem to be making something that could develop into a very enjoyable game, however I will always remain skeptical until I can get some sort of hands-on test (like a beta). And even then, I may not be fully sold because in Aion I found it mostly fun in the beta, though I should have noticed the hints around level 25~30 that the game was becoming a bore. I've experienced more than my fair share of MMO failures (Tabula Rasa, Dark and Light, blah blah blah more and more) so I will take a trailer for what it's worth. But, I must say the trailers sure look good (pics included... nude pics, JK!) .
My #1 thought while playing Aion is "WTB Lineage III". And after reading this article on mmorpg.com, I don't care if bluehole robbed ncsoft, the game looks fun and that's enough reason for me to try it. I also think the reason why there isn't much hype about this game is because it's a Korean developed game. Some people have lost faith in Korean developers' ability to deliver a new experience. Well, the best way to not be disappointed is to not expect much.
With games like FFXIV, SWTOR, and GW2 on the horizon, Tera is easily overshadowed.
"I am the harbinger of hope. I am the sword of the righteous. And to all who hear my words, I say this: What you give to this Empire, I shall give back unto you." -Empress Jamyl Sarum I
I'll have to agree that if Tera releases too close to the three listed above, then it won't be able to compete that well. Personally, I'll be playing FF14 before any of these others if they all come out about the same time. Only have time for one.
it seems that the naysayers of this game have more of a problem with Asian art style than with anything else. If that is the case, then (as with most arguments on the interwebs) this argument is pointless. It is a question of different tastes.
It isn't pointless when the OP wrote 2 paragraphs. One asking if anyone else was excited and the second stating how good the art in the game looks. Not saying anything about the game until I've played it. Pretty games can suck like Aion. That game was one of the worst mmo's I've ever played. Ranks up there with Star Trek.
I would say visually, this game looks good. The combat looks ok....at least more interesting than darkfall. I would say given the company location, it is easy to generalize that a few things will negatively impact the game:
1. account security will become an issue
2. game security will become an issue (i.e. hacks will be widely available)
3. there will be a completely pointless grind without much point to the game other than leveling up.
4. unoriginality. minus the combat, it looks to ripoff certain japanese games with the oversized swords, lancer class, etc...
#1 and 2 are just assumptions, and I couldnt find anything that told me otherwise of #3. #4 is pretty much expected, as the only original thing to come out of an eastern mmo was possibly the combat system in Atlantica Online. Personally I will be very skeptical of this game.
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so far this game looks too amazing to miss, i know theres things that will change ,but that happens when concepts get transfered over. I also tend to go towards the more graphic and beautiful games mostly because i can run it and suprisingly its not the combat that made me interested but more the nostalgic feel the screen shots show (for me anyway). Plus if it is a grinder i don't mind that much because in games like wow people get to cap and dont know their class
This game looks like it could be promising. As for all the slutty outfits, pretty much every game I've played including wow has the whole slutty thing going on so i dont know why that would be a game breaker for anyone...
The whole grindfest thing i cant understand either, there is a larged percentage of the mmo comunity who dont even know anything about the lore to the games we all play anyways. I personally like to look into the story lines so that each game a play feels like im being immersed with in a book i am reading. But not everyone is like that.
WoW, Aion, Everquest 2, ect, all had the same "grinding" aspect to it despite being made by different companies even though some may not agree. It really was the same go do this quest and return. One thing that Aion did improve on was a having the small cutscenes with the discription of the quest that you were doing. So i really dont see any arguement with this grinding stuff.
All in all I really dont see the point of alot of these bashing post. "Oh it's just going to be another korean grinder game even though I'm not going to play it I have to put my two cents in and rile some people up." I'm personally quite tired of hear that same thing in every forum I see for a eastern game.
Anyways, So far I'm not really blown away with the game but I am very interested enough to try the game in beta or when it comes out to see the delivery and play style of the game. What I'm really hoping is that the people in these Focus Groups and Beta testing actually report glitches in the games and not sit there and just play the game with out doing an analysis of the game. That way the game is released with polish which has been where alot of MMO's have been failing.
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Asian grinder with that generic, horrible 'mangaesque' look.
No thanks.
Like saying German Steel is better quality than Chinese Steel? No, there isn't anything inherintly racist about drawing comparisons based on standard for excellence and quality.
Striving for Silver Stars since Gold is so effeminate.
1) All games have grind.
2) The most common answer a gamer will say is " I play for the game play and not for the looks".
Funny how these two points get turned around when the topic is about a western game compaired to an eastern game.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
it seems that the naysayers of this game have more of a problem with Asian art style than with anything else. If that is the case, then (as with most arguments on the interwebs) this argument is pointless. It is a question of different tastes.
I for one am looking forward to Tera's release. And i am not going to pass judgement upon it until I play it
But Asian games are made with the pay-as-you-play method in mind. That means they have much larger grinds than western games that use the subscription model.
Why people don't get hyped with this game?
Well it's quite simple, if you have played one Korean MMO you have played them all, only the graphics change but all the rest is there, same character animation, same "sword fight" fireworks graphics, same grind, same pointless boring quests, simplistic crafting,ect.
And you ask why people don't get hyped over Tera?
If it's not broken, you are not innovating.
In that context we could also say that, if you played WoW you have played all Western MMOs there is really nothing to be hyped about, everyone knows that besides WoW and EVE all western mmos are a big pile of dung, with 90% WoW features and some uninteresting twist on the top so they can call it something else and dont get sued by Blizzard.
I think at this point our best hopes of a good game are with Korean grinders, or Blizzard's next MMO because following the trend of western MMOs since WoW's release everything has been a pile of crap and I doubt its going to change any time soon. Actually we can conclude at this point from putting together data from the last 6 years that Western companies besides Blizzard are utterly incompetent or physically incapable of making a good MMORPG.
Cant really wait until people start calling SWTOR just another WoW its going to be fun!
What games are you talking about?
korean grind= no reward
US grind=reward
so hard to decide.
Korean = Work that makes you feel good when you succeed
US grind = Lazy people that need everything done for them.
Stereotypes ftw!
I really don't want a Game like WoW where you can just download mods do to all the work for you.
I also don't want "Welfare Epics" which came from WoW.
"You have some serious mental issues you may need to seek some help for. There are others who post things, but do not post them in the way you do. Out of every person who posts crazy shit in this forum, you have some of the craziest and scariest" -FarReach
I'm just hoping to find a decent game with a great combat system.
If it turns out to be a great game with a great combat system I'll be stoked.
can you point out a few examples of that !
Granted Korean games for the most part are grindy as hell but I don't see much difference compared to western games.
Velika: City of Wheels: Among the mortal races, the humans were the only one that never built cities or great empires; a curse laid upon them by their creator, Gidd, forced them to wander as nomads for twenty centuries...
I wont answer your question, but i have a question for you. How much korean mmorpg's are free? So tell me, whats worst then being free seriously? Then, try to count the succesful korean mmorpg's out there. There are even free korean mmorpg's under development. I dont see western doing free mmorpg's when the game is not even release yet.
After all, even if western have less mmorpg then asian, thats not the only type of game we make. The same argument can fall in the amount of RPG games asian make. Western on the RPG part, we only have few ones and once they release, they sales over millions of copy. Asian dont have the right to make FPS games because its against the law(I talk about japonies) So Asian cant win on that part. Asian fails at making RTS games. I dont know any asian RTS game anyway, but still, starcraft and some other RTS are ruled by Koreans. Western still gather all that money.
The truth, Asian find something that work. If it work the 1st time, they make plenty of that same game. (Final fantazy 1 to 14. Whats next?) Western developers are simply more innovative and they make more by making less. Quality over quantity.
On the RPG part, the last RPG asian made is White knight. The game is already forgoten. I bought it the day it was release, hated it and sold it to get 35$ back.
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You you could not say that once we played wow, we played all Western mmorpg's.
You got Wow, Eve, Warhammer, Darkfall, Mortal online (soon), Ultima online(for some that are still at it) Asheron Call, WW2, earth rise (soon), SWTOR(If you say SWTOR will be a clone of war, you are wrong, Bioware have their own method of making games) I could go on, but il stop here.
None of these game seem to be like each others. Dont even try to say that wow is same as warhammer if you didnt play both of them long enough.
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You are totally on a different subject. I could care less about console games or stratagy games. I am talking about MMOs and there has not been anything released since World Of Warcraft 6 years ago thats been considered a great game. I am not saying that Asain is better but we have come to not expect much from the West as well as the East.
Honestly, the graphics do look amazing. However graphics is not what makes for a great game. If it only offers a limited linear path (and it probably will...like all other post-WoW MMOs), then I will not even be remotely interested in it.
It seems that, in the attmpt to water down everything in MMOs of today, developers have forgotten all about dynamics and the freedom of choice path to do or become whatever you want.
Why do you have to consider wow as the only western great game? Because of the subs count? Dont get fooled by numbers. There are more kids then any other type of players in wow. Parents buy wow for their kids. Aoc is a great game, but only adult play that. 15+ kids only play aoc if they start working because i dont think a parent will pay AOC for their child.
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This. I am not excited about TERA just as I am not excited about any MMO anymore. Im passively trying a few out this year. If one impresses me, cool. If not, I dont think Im going to lose sleep over not subscribing to an MMO in 2010, or even 2011.
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I think TERA looks pretty awesome, although I also played Aion and was... "dicksappointed". Turned into yet another grind-fest, aka the lazy way to develop a game. I agree with many people that the graphics are great and they seem to be making something that could develop into a very enjoyable game, however I will always remain skeptical until I can get some sort of hands-on test (like a beta). And even then, I may not be fully sold because in Aion I found it mostly fun in the beta, though I should have noticed the hints around level 25~30 that the game was becoming a bore. I've experienced more than my fair share of MMO failures (Tabula Rasa, Dark and Light, blah blah blah more and more) so I will take a trailer for what it's worth. But, I must say the trailers sure look good (pics included... nude pics, JK!) .
My #1 thought while playing Aion is "WTB Lineage III". And after reading this article on mmorpg.com, I don't care if bluehole robbed ncsoft, the game looks fun and that's enough reason for me to try it. I also think the reason why there isn't much hype about this game is because it's a Korean developed game. Some people have lost faith in Korean developers' ability to deliver a new experience. Well, the best way to not be disappointed is to not expect much.
With games like FFXIV, SWTOR, and GW2 on the horizon, Tera is easily overshadowed.
"I am the harbinger of hope. I am the sword of the righteous. And to all who hear my words, I say this: What you give to this Empire, I shall give back unto you."
-Empress Jamyl Sarum I
I'll have to agree that if Tera releases too close to the three listed above, then it won't be able to compete that well. Personally, I'll be playing FF14 before any of these others if they all come out about the same time. Only have time for one.
It isn't pointless when the OP wrote 2 paragraphs. One asking if anyone else was excited and the second stating how good the art in the game looks. Not saying anything about the game until I've played it. Pretty games can suck like Aion. That game was one of the worst mmo's I've ever played. Ranks up there with Star Trek.
I would say visually, this game looks good. The combat looks ok....at least more interesting than darkfall. I would say given the company location, it is easy to generalize that a few things will negatively impact the game:
1. account security will become an issue
2. game security will become an issue (i.e. hacks will be widely available)
3. there will be a completely pointless grind without much point to the game other than leveling up.
4. unoriginality. minus the combat, it looks to ripoff certain japanese games with the oversized swords, lancer class, etc...
#1 and 2 are just assumptions, and I couldnt find anything that told me otherwise of #3. #4 is pretty much expected, as the only original thing to come out of an eastern mmo was possibly the combat system in Atlantica Online. Personally I will be very skeptical of this game.