That fact you find it dull, does not meant it is dull, it is an assumption based on your own experience - reflection of yours, not the game.
Saying EVE is dull is a statement with no given reasoning, and I believe it is exactly what Toquio3 had on mind.
Reason might not be the most accurate term since it has got broad definition and use but in this case, as I believe, it was used to point out lack of or invalid rational arguments.
K your beginning to scare me. First I'm not assuming anything. I've played the game. If my opinion of the game is it's Dull then the game is dull ... for me. It's my opinion, it can't be wrong ... get it. I'm not stating fact here I'm giving my opinion. People come to forms to get other peoples opinions/experiences with a game, none of it should be taken as fact. I hope that all would know the only true measure is to try it for yourself. Sounds like you want specific details as to why I thought it was dull. I find that strange cause "dull" seems to be self explanatory to me. How bout it was not fun to me, none it, all of it, the only compliment I can give it is that it looks good. Sorry if this is not detailed, specific, quantitative, or qualified enough for u but ...I DID NOT LIKE PLAYING EvE ... go figure.
First off, you only said "Eve is dull" you didn't "Eve is dull for me" if you did so, like a commenter a few comments back did, you wouldn't have been plagued by Gdemami's statment. I don't think you read and understood what he was saying before you went into your rant.
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I will be playing the one I'm most excited about Eve: Tyrannis, if I ever get the excitement to play BP I probably will, but as of right now.....I don't.
Was looking forward to BP, but then it went F2P item mall. No Item mall game will ever compare to subed, it's a completely different mentallity and playing field.
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I mean Minus the combat (twitch>Point 2 Click) Eve is a better game in every way.
And you know this how?
Just look at the feature list. Bp might as well be a co-op online shooter than a true mmorpg like Eve.
I agree that Eve is much more complete virtual world, but BP will be beyond just a co-op shooter. It will have persistant elements like territories to defend similar to GA.
I would take EVE over BP because of the amount of flexibility EVE has, however the only spaceship game I've ever liked is the Descent series because it's the only one I've played that has had its controls give actual space movement, not fighterplanes in space. If a Descent MMO was made everyone would need a new definition of fanboy for me .
Originally posted by riceae02 K your beginning to scare me. First I'm not assuming anything. I've played the game. If my opinion of the game is it's Dull then the game is dull ... for me. It's my opinion, it can't be wrong ... get it. I'm not stating fact here I'm giving my opinion. People come to forms to get other peoples opinions/experiences with a game, none of it should be taken as fact. I hope that all would know the only true measure is to try it for yourself. Sounds like you want specific details as to why I thought it was dull. I find that strange cause "dull" seems to be self explanatory to me. How bout it was not fun to me, none it, all of it, the only compliment I can give it is that it looks good. Sorry if this is not detailed, specific, quantitative, or qualified enough for u but ...I DID NOT LIKE PLAYING EvE ... go figure.
Opinions can, and often do, consist of assumptions and result in statements and claims.
The fact that your statement is just an unfounded opinion does not make it more right and it is submitted to validity as any other statement or claim. I other words: Yes, opinions can be wrong if proven invalid or their validity is impeached.
Rule of MMO discussion #02: Never bait EVE players.
No matter what you're take on the game is, EVE players defend their game with more zeal than anyone else. They border on fanatical and won't accept criticism of any kind. Their inability to see other peoples point of view makes many of them appear to be practically autistic.
I would play BP over EVE, but if I gave reasons I would simply be met with a barrage of derogatory remarks and questions over my intellectual capacity.
Aryas
That is so true - the only real difference between eve and wow players is one browses from a large font single page laminated lunch menu and the other type enjoys reading the encyclopedia britanica between sips of tea.
But I'll take the transhumanistic themes and richer, more realistic setting of EVE. Also because I'm not—as opposed to many, apparently—very stimulated by blowing things up.
That's a jab at EVE players as much as at future Black Prophecy players, but at least EVE isn't just that.
However, as much as I relish EVE, I'd give my testicles, my legs and my wife for a multiplayer Eclipse Phase RPG, MMO or not.
Favorites: EQ, EVE | Playing: None. Mostly VR and strategy | Anticipating: CU, Pantheon
your talking to different genre's anyway. This might be for the more hardcore player who accels in FPS (imo).
EvE= MMORPG
Black Prophecy= MMOFPS/MMOTPS, and just cause it has a story and levels doesn't make it a RPG (to me).
EvE will keep its players,
And this game will get its players. Now you may have some EvE players play this just for fun (since its free), And i know EvE players like myself like some eye-candy in the game. For a Free MMO i say, well done (looks like UT3 engine) would explain it. Because epic has free licensing on the engine now, so young Devs out of college can start a game without worrying about the cost of a engine at first.
your talking to different genre's anyway. This might be for the more hardcore player who accels in FPS (imo).
Not Quite. Space Sims are more then FPS/TPS in space. Piloting adds another element to those games.
I do say Sir, i think you missed my point?.
They don't not play the same was the point. One requires you to pilot from more of a FPS POV (with Third person possible), While EvE is more RTS/Tactical. Once the game requires a 'Aim' to win at gameplay (based on gameplay vid), then its a MMOFPS to me with some elements of a RPG.
EvE does not require aim at all, it requires choices of your ships fitting, what ship you took to what, what skils/other things like implants you have, ETC. Its more of a tactical approach with more strategy of using the guns/modules/ evade/ orbiting/ etc.
BP, looks like yeah sure your ship has some meaning with its gear, But you require the aim and skill to be good (which in most cases i like), but thats my opinion.
K your beginning to scare me. First I'm not assuming anything. I've played the game. If my opinion of the game is it's Dull then the game is dull ... for me. It's my opinion, it can't be wrong ... get it. I'm not stating fact here I'm giving my opinion. People come to forms to get other peoples opinions/experiences with a game, none of it should be taken as fact. I hope that all would know the only true measure is to try it for yourself. Sounds like you want specific details as to why I thought it was dull. I find that strange cause "dull" seems to be self explanatory to me. How bout it was not fun to me, none it, all of it, the only compliment I can give it is that it looks good. Sorry if this is not detailed, specific, quantitative, or qualified enough for u but ...I DID NOT LIKE PLAYING EvE ... go figure.
Opinions can, and often do, consist of assumptions and result in statements and claims.
The fact that your statement is just an unfounded opinion does not make it more right and it is submitted to validity as any other statement or claim. I other words: Yes, opinions can be wrong if proven invalid or their validity is impeached.
Really? Sad that I have to do this: Qouted from dictionary ... n 1: a personal belief or judgement that is not founded on proof or certainty; "my opinion differs from yours"; "what are your thoughts on Hati?" [syn: {sentiment}, persuasion}, {view}, {thought}]
I repeat MY opinion is mine and mine alone, it is not an assumption, you can disagree with it but that does not make it wrong and or an assumption btw here is the definition of Assumption: take to be the case or to be true; accept without verification or proof; I assume his train was late" [syn:{pesume}; {take for granted}
I repeat again I am giving my opinion on a game that I have played. I am in no way stating that my opinion is fact. How can my feelings on a game be subject to any type of validity test. It's like as if I state: "I don't like ice cream" and you respond "Your wrong."
That fact you find it dull, does not meant it is dull, it is an assumption based on your own experience - reflection of yours, not the game.
Saying EVE is dull is a statement with no given reasoning, and I believe it is exactly what Toquio3 had on mind.
Reason might not be the most accurate term since it has got broad definition and use but in this case, as I believe, it was used to point out lack of or invalid rational arguments.
K your beginning to scare me. First I'm not assuming anything. I've played the game. If my opinion of the game is it's Dull then the game is dull ... for me. It's my opinion, it can't be wrong ... get it. I'm not stating fact here I'm giving my opinion. People come to forms to get other peoples opinions/experiences with a game, none of it should be taken as fact. I hope that all would know the only true measure is to try it for yourself. Sounds like you want specific details as to why I thought it was dull. I find that strange cause "dull" seems to be self explanatory to me. How bout it was not fun to me, none it, all of it, the only compliment I can give it is that it looks good. Sorry if this is not detailed, specific, quantitative, or qualified enough for u but ...I DID NOT LIKE PLAYING EvE ... go figure.
First off, you only said "Eve is dull" you didn't "Eve is dull for me" if you did so, like a commenter a few comments back did, you wouldn't have been plagued by Gdemami's statment. I don't think you read and understood what he was saying before you went into your rant.
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I will be playing the one I'm most excited about Eve: Tyrannis, if I ever get the excitement to play BP I probably will, but as of right now.....I don't.
Who did you think I was speaking for? btw if u had read as you asked me to do ... the intire sentence is: ..."I'm just saying that Eve is ... Dull. I am confused as to who you think the ..."I'm"... is in that statement.
Originally posted by riceae02 Really? Sad that I have to do this: Qouted from dictionary ... n 1: a personal belief or judgement that is not founded on proof or certainty; "my opinion differs from yours"; "what are your thoughts on Hati?" [syn: {sentiment}, persuasion}, {view}, {thought}]
I repeat MY opinion is mine and mine alone, it is not an assumption, you can disagree with it but that does not make it wrong and or an assumption btw here is the definition of Assumption: take to be the case or to be true; accept without verification or proof; I assume his train was late" [syn:{pesume}; {take for granted} I repeat again I am giving my opinion on a game that I have played. I am in no way stating that my opinion is fact.
The dictionary is not in conflict with what I said, in fact it just says the same.
To make it easier:
I don't like EVE. = opinion. It is something submitted to your subjective perception and may or may not be supported with arguments.
EVE is <insert the description here> . = statement. You state the nature of the thing. If EVE is the way you say, there are supportive arguments that prove your statement to be true or you are wrong.
In short:
If you come here and say that the things are like this or that, make sure you can back it up otherwise just say you (dis)like this or that.
Your opinion might be that you find it semantics, the truth is though, it isn't.
Why on earth would I have to back up what I have clearly stated is my personal opinion?
Because your opinion will be based upon certain facts, if those facts are revealed to be false then your opinion may also be false, you just dont know it.
its called presumption (coming to conclusions while not in possesion of all the facts) and ignorance (having no knowledge of certain facts)
Just because you have an opinion, doesnt mean its correct just because you label it as an 'opinion'
going back on topic:
I would like to play Black Prophecy before I form any opinions, and when I do play it I will make sure I am not ignorant of all the facts and that the facts I do know are correct and not a mis-understanding.
But experience does tell me that a grand new MMO compared to one that has been developed on and expanded for 7 years will struggle to retain my attention.
Why on earth would I have to back up what I have clearly stated is my personal opinion?
Because your opinion will be based upon certain facts, if those facts are revealed to be false then your opinion may also be false, you just dont know it.
its called presumption (coming to conclusions while not in possesion of all the facts) and ignorance (having no knowledge of certain facts)
Just because you have an opinion, doesnt mean its correct just because you label it as an 'opinion'
going back on topic:
I would like to play Black Prophecy before I form any opinions, and when I do play it I will make sure I am not ignorant of all the facts and that the facts I do know are correct and not a mis-understanding.
But experience does tell me that a grand new MMO compared to one that has been developed on and expanded for 7 years will struggle to retain my attention.
This is beginning to get comical. Did you totally missed the part where it said an opinion is not founded on proof or certainty? Your telling me that my personal experience playing EvE, (the fun factor or lack there of for me) can somehow be validated or invalidated by you? That you decide whether my opinion is valid or not based on the numbers details(or facts as u call them)? But your missing just one thing; there are no hard and fast rules here, I could care less whether you think I need more facts or not I didn't know there was a set number.
My opinion that I don't like EvE is based on the fact that everytime I've played the game I did not ENJOY it, that is the fact I base my opinion on. And that is the defining factor is it not? Here is a fact for you, 99% of gamers play games for enjoyment, what else would I have to base my opinion on other than my personal experience playing the game.
BTW ... I'd like to see how you would provethe fact of my personal experience with EvE false ...that would be a neat trick.
I'm not even gonna go into ur use of "presumption" like I started out it's beginning to get comical. The only thing that I've discovered here is that Aryas was right : Never bait Eve Players LOL
Well, since I'm certainly an EVE fan, odds are pretty good that I'll be sticking with it rather than switch to an unproven game with a Pay to Win Item mall model.
That said, I'll probably give it a try just to see if its any fun, one never knows where the next good game will come from.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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I have been waiting for eve to make their combat space sim and not snooze sim. They really should have i mean eves economy , and infrastructure is amazing. But combat is awful and minning needs stepped up also.
Hopfully BP will offfer the combat , but do i believe its economy will be a fraction as effective as Eve's no way . its hard to make such a soild aspect of a game no matter the game.
Hopefully it will be good enough to entertian me .
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
I've been an eve fan for years but definatly not due to its gameplay .. more or less because I like the theme , being in space and piloting a ship , apart from that eve has awesome graphics and tons complexity which is also nice , and the pvp can be fun from time to time but i'm not really into the massive fleet battles that I have to zoom out to infinity just to be able to do anything through the lag. ( Great concept just too laggy )
But ... If Black Prophecy is anything as good as it looks I will probably quit eve all together .. Ive always prefered games with lots of action and control and from what I have seen so far there isn't much difference in graphics between these two games , Personally I'm very excited to try BP as it offers the type of space combat i'm looking for in a game. ( Not just a point and click to fly around space sim )
With all that being said I could care less if BP is cash shop based and not p2p like eve , Only means i'll have to worry less about subs and I can just buy what I want or need from shop. but I do hope the cash shop isn't game breaking like many other f2p games ..Only time will tell.
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First off, you only said "Eve is dull" you didn't "Eve is dull for me" if you did so, like a commenter a few comments back did, you wouldn't have been plagued by Gdemami's statment. I don't think you read and understood what he was saying before you went into your rant.
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I will be playing the one I'm most excited about Eve: Tyrannis, if I ever get the excitement to play BP I probably will, but as of right now.....I don't.
This is not a game.
Was looking forward to BP, but then it went F2P item mall. No Item mall game will ever compare to subed, it's a completely different mentallity and playing field.
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The person who is certain, and who claims divine warrant for his certainty, belongs now to the infancy of our species.
Just look at the feature list. Bp might as well be a co-op online shooter than a true mmorpg like Eve.
Playing: Rift, LotRO
Waiting on: GW2, BP
I agree that Eve is much more complete virtual world, but BP will be beyond just a co-op shooter. It will have persistant elements like territories to defend similar to GA.
In a Wonderful Neverending Sex Land I sure wouldn't be playing any MMOs, no matter how epic they are.
I would take EVE over BP because of the amount of flexibility EVE has, however the only spaceship game I've ever liked is the Descent series because it's the only one I've played that has had its controls give actual space movement, not fighterplanes in space. If a Descent MMO was made everyone would need a new definition of fanboy for me
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Opinions can, and often do, consist of assumptions and result in statements and claims.
The fact that your statement is just an unfounded opinion does not make it more right and it is submitted to validity as any other statement or claim. I other words: Yes, opinions can be wrong if proven invalid or their validity is impeached.
That is so true - the only real difference between eve and wow players is one browses from a large font single page laminated lunch menu and the other type enjoys reading the encyclopedia britanica between sips of tea.
Black Prophecy has pretty art.
But I'll take the transhumanistic themes and richer, more realistic setting of EVE. Also because I'm not—as opposed to many, apparently—very stimulated by blowing things up.
That's a jab at EVE players as much as at future Black Prophecy players, but at least EVE isn't just that.
However, as much as I relish EVE, I'd give my testicles, my legs and my wife for a multiplayer Eclipse Phase RPG, MMO or not.
your talking to different genre's anyway. This might be for the more hardcore player who accels in FPS (imo).
EvE= MMORPG
Black Prophecy= MMOFPS/MMOTPS, and just cause it has a story and levels doesn't make it a RPG (to me).
EvE will keep its players,
And this game will get its players. Now you may have some EvE players play this just for fun (since its free), And i know EvE players like myself like some eye-candy in the game. For a Free MMO i say, well done (looks like UT3 engine) would explain it. Because epic has free licensing on the engine now, so young Devs out of college can start a game without worrying about the cost of a engine at first.
Not Quite. Space Sims are more then FPS/TPS in space. Piloting adds another element to those games.
I do say Sir, i think you missed my point?.
They don't not play the same was the point. One requires you to pilot from more of a FPS POV (with Third person possible), While EvE is more RTS/Tactical. Once the game requires a 'Aim' to win at gameplay (based on gameplay vid), then its a MMOFPS to me with some elements of a RPG.
EvE does not require aim at all, it requires choices of your ships fitting, what ship you took to what, what skils/other things like implants you have, ETC. Its more of a tactical approach with more strategy of using the guns/modules/ evade/ orbiting/ etc.
BP, looks like yeah sure your ship has some meaning with its gear, But you require the aim and skill to be good (which in most cases i like), but thats my opinion.
other thoughts: run on sentences ftw.
Not I got it.
I was just saying FPS/TPS and Space Sims, tho simular in the fact you aim, are diferent genres and appeal to different people.
There are people that like FPS but hate Space Sims and vice versa. I like both... but not everybody does.
I just don't like them bunch up together, like you were doing.
My Post had nothing to do with Eve.
Really? Sad that I have to do this: Qouted from dictionary ... n 1: a personal belief or judgement that is not founded on proof or certainty; "my opinion differs from yours"; "what are your thoughts on Hati?" [syn: {sentiment}, persuasion}, {view}, {thought}]
I repeat MY opinion is mine and mine alone, it is not an assumption, you can disagree with it but that does not make it wrong and or an assumption btw here is the definition of Assumption: take to be the case or to be true; accept without verification or proof; I assume his train was late" [syn:{pesume}; {take for granted}
I repeat again I am giving my opinion on a game that I have played. I am in no way stating that my opinion is fact. How can my feelings on a game be subject to any type of validity test. It's like as if I state: "I don't like ice cream" and you respond "Your wrong."
Who did you think I was speaking for? btw if u had read as you asked me to do ... the intire sentence is: ..."I'm just saying that Eve is ... Dull. I am confused as to who you think the ..."I'm"... is in that statement.
The dictionary is not in conflict with what I said, in fact it just says the same.
To make it easier:
I don't like EVE. = opinion. It is something submitted to your subjective perception and may or may not be supported with arguments.
EVE is <insert the description here> . = statement. You state the nature of the thing. If EVE is the way you say, there are supportive arguments that prove your statement to be true or you are wrong.
In short:
If you come here and say that the things are like this or that, make sure you can back it up otherwise just say you (dis)like this or that.
Your opinion might be that you find it semantics, the truth is though, it isn't.
Why on earth would I have to back up what I have clearly stated is my personal opinion?
Because your opinion will be based upon certain facts, if those facts are revealed to be false then your opinion may also be false, you just dont know it.
its called presumption (coming to conclusions while not in possesion of all the facts) and ignorance (having no knowledge of certain facts)
Just because you have an opinion, doesnt mean its correct just because you label it as an 'opinion'
going back on topic:
I would like to play Black Prophecy before I form any opinions, and when I do play it I will make sure I am not ignorant of all the facts and that the facts I do know are correct and not a mis-understanding.
But experience does tell me that a grand new MMO compared to one that has been developed on and expanded for 7 years will struggle to retain my attention.
Since i do not do cash shops at all for me the choice is a simple one.
This is beginning to get comical. Did you totally missed the part where it said an opinion is not founded on proof or certainty? Your telling me that my personal experience playing EvE, (the fun factor or lack there of for me) can somehow be validated or invalidated by you? That you decide whether my opinion is valid or not based on the numbers details(or facts as u call them)? But your missing just one thing; there are no hard and fast rules here, I could care less whether you think I need more facts or not I didn't know there was a set number.
My opinion that I don't like EvE is based on the fact that everytime I've played the game I did not ENJOY it, that is the fact I base my opinion on. And that is the defining factor is it not? Here is a fact for you, 99% of gamers play games for enjoyment, what else would I have to base my opinion on other than my personal experience playing the game.
BTW ... I'd like to see how you would prove the fact of my personal experience with EvE false ...that would be a neat trick.
I'm not even gonna go into ur use of "presumption" like I started out it's beginning to get comical. The only thing that I've discovered here is that Aryas was right : Never bait Eve Players LOL
JG:E
Well, since I'm certainly an EVE fan, odds are pretty good that I'll be sticking with it rather than switch to an unproven game with a Pay to Win Item mall model.
That said, I'll probably give it a try just to see if its any fun, one never knows where the next good game will come from.
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i would try BP i have tryed eve if i don't like bp i go back playing freelancer
and when bp was anounce it was a P2p game only in march did they change it to been a F2p
moo all
I have been waiting for eve to make their combat space sim and not snooze sim. They really should have i mean eves economy , and infrastructure is amazing. But combat is awful and minning needs stepped up also.
Hopfully BP will offfer the combat , but do i believe its economy will be a fraction as effective as Eve's no way . its hard to make such a soild aspect of a game no matter the game.
Hopefully it will be good enough to entertian me .
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
I've been an eve fan for years but definatly not due to its gameplay .. more or less because I like the theme , being in space and piloting a ship , apart from that eve has awesome graphics and tons complexity which is also nice , and the pvp can be fun from time to time but i'm not really into the massive fleet battles that I have to zoom out to infinity just to be able to do anything through the lag. ( Great concept just too laggy )
But ... If Black Prophecy is anything as good as it looks I will probably quit eve all together .. Ive always prefered games with lots of action and control and from what I have seen so far there isn't much difference in graphics between these two games , Personally I'm very excited to try BP as it offers the type of space combat i'm looking for in a game. ( Not just a point and click to fly around space sim )
With all that being said I could care less if BP is cash shop based and not p2p like eve , Only means i'll have to worry less about subs and I can just buy what I want or need from shop. but I do hope the cash shop isn't game breaking like many other f2p games ..Only time will tell.