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WHat does a theme park MMORPG have to do to beat WoW?
Fantasylove
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WHat does a theme park MMORPG have to do to beat WoW?
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For me personally, lotro already beat wow a long time ago. If you're talking about subscription numbers, I have to say I dont care at all. When it comes to the games I like, the only opinion that matters is my own. So yeah, it already happened. Lotro has beaten wow. Game over.
If you stand VERY still, and close your eyes, after a minute you can actually FEEL the universe revolving around PvP.
It has to do enough things differently to be considered a new game.
I'm not saying everything differently.
A lot however.
Nobody is going to beat WoW's top sub numbers in the West any time soon. There are alot of games in the East that've already beaten it, but nobody is going to come close to WoW. Most poeple who play/played are not MMO gamers and some of them hadn't ever really played any game, that was Bejeweled, before WoW.
The only game that even stands a chance to come close, will be Blizzard's next MMO. Even there, I doubt it.
WoW is a fad, plain and simple.
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Greater accessibility.... only problem, WoW is already kinda king in that department (seriously, can you make an MMO easier to get into and do stuff than WoW and keep it interesting? I don't think so). Other than that, balance of hardcore and casual content (yeah, good old perpetuum mobile kind of undertaking) because all those 10 year old kids, clueless housewives and grandads that started their MMO careers with WoW need to graduate and move on to more serious MMOs.
I don't think you can ask a question in those specific words and have a serious discussion. I think that only if "beat WoW" is further defined/specified that only then can a fruitful discussion be had.
Asking if something "beats" something will never have a universal answer and will thus can hardly be proved. Does Coke "beat" Pepsi can't be answered except on an individual level. Does Coke sell more units than Pepsi in a year can certainly be answered though it doesn't infer which one is "better" as again that is up to the individual.
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There are at least two definitives:
1.) Said game must be a high-quality production, like WoW was/is. It may not be the most creative game, but it's quality built.
2.) This is the biggy: Game MUST have more to do in the world. WoW's big failing is the lack of options at end-game. There is practically nothing to do outside of raids and BGs/Arena. The crafting is horrible, there's not much point in running the dungeons once you have a set of gear and are level 80, and there is just literally nothing else to do. I suppose you could grind for gold, but there aren't many uses for it. Anyway... lack of stuff to do is why there's hundreds of people sitting AFK in Dalaran all the time nowadays. The only real thing to do once you are bored is achievement grinding, which is pointless for anyone except the obsessives.
It has to do either the same stuff but better, or do new stuff that is more fun.
Let's play Fallen Earth (blind, 300 episodes)
Let's play Guild Wars 2 (blind, 45 episodes)
It really only needs to come out with the identical rules system, and a completely new world. And of course an equivalent client.
The new content combined with the familiarity with the way things work will make it a no brainer to switch over. People are waiting for more fun.
Once everyone is exploring the new content, they won't feel the need to go back as they are already in their comfort zone.
What game companies try to do is offer 80% of what WOW has and hope that will be good enough. They also hoped that when they tried to beat EQ. That doesn't work.
That being said, i am playing LOTRO and see no need to go to wow. I will eventually tire of LOTRO and then go back to COX.
It has to not try to beat WoW.
Originally posted by Scagweed22
is it the graphics? the repetativenesses? i mean what is the point? you could be so much more productive in real life
Real life brings repetition and pointlessness too. The only thing real life offers is Great graphics. Its kinda expensive too and way to dependent on the cash shop. Totally pay to win as well. No thank you. Ill stick to my games.
And while a) is nigh impossible to accomplish (WoW has like 5-6 years worth of content under it's belt... good luck beating that with a new game)
b) is feasible, and not that hard to accomplish. To most people "new" is also more fun, because it's a whole new experience.
Well, people have already pointed out the problem with the question of "what does beating WOW mean?" but the basic answer would be: Everything WOW does and a good bit more.
It will be hard to beat WoW because it is so close to perfected in those ways tha really counts. But still, it can be done.
My personal opinion is that WoW is lightyears in front of other MMO's in one certain part that many players AND gaming producers fail to fully understand;
World of Warcraft is TIGHT to play! When you play WoW you get the feeling of being IN control of your toon, not sending orders to a toon. This is the main problem for most MMO's, especially Lord of the Rings which is the main contender to WoW. The 'laggy' control of the toons in LOTRO makes the game close to unbearable, sadly enough. (I am playing it right now as we speak)
Blizzard has said that other gaming companies need to stop copying WoW if they want success. Allright, that is a truth with modification; Blizzard did that, they copied and then they polished it and voila; a near perfect product. It will obviously benefit Blizzard alot if other gaming companies tries to be different than WoW rather than better... If any other gaming companies ever want to try to beat WoW in popularity and being 'better' they need do the same that Blizzard did. And that game really need be as tight as WoW or else it will fail.
Someone here said that there are MMO's that are bigger than WoW. Which is WRONG. Theres no game coming close to WoW's subsribers. WoW has roughly 12million subscribers, number 2 is at 1 to 2 mill. Which is not even close to be comparable.
The day the WoW hate stops, maybe the rest of the MMO world are being able to open their eyes so they can understand that they need be better than WoW, not different.
Make us care MORE about our faction & world pvp!
Well Everquest 1 and 2 are older, so what they need to do to beat WoW?
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It has to be millions of people's first MMO as well. Rose-tinted glasses, mang.
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Yes. And also not try to be just like it. Nobody wants another fantasy level grinder.
Why do MMOs have to be a competition? Why is there this divine goal to beat some arbitrary number set by WoW? The OP acts as if only 1 MMO can exist and someone needs to takes its place.
You don't hear "What band is it going to take to beat Lady Gaga"
Whether a game beats WoW's sub numer is irrelevent, plus their numbers are sketchy as is. Perfect World International has even more monthly users than WoW from what I hear.
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Have better advertising and a more popular IP. It's not like how good a game is determines popularity nowadays, WoW is proof of this.
Interesting question that I for the life of me can't figure out. I found LOTRO to be as much fun as WOW and thought it had just as much content maybe it's the lack of true pvp that makes the difference.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
Try see what the average WoW player thinks about other games then. Why do they always come back to WoW, even players who have played alot of MMO's before they played WoW?
I have personally no problems understanding why WoW is so popular. People who think they play WoW just because it is their first MMO, is just ignorant. It is the best game on the block, for the majority of the MMO players. Even the 2nd most popular MMO is a midget compared to WoW. The only threat WoW has is Blizzard...
Make us care MORE about our faction & world pvp!
Truth be told in some ways it does make some difference, have you ever played a game that is far too lightly populated? It kind of points you to the fact that when it comes to mmo's population does make a difference in general so from that it's up to each individual user to determine what factors decide how they feel about that.
I for one had a hard time getting into LOTRO at first because of the difference in population from WOW, which literally had so many players anytime you felt like doing something you could find people to do it. That's just not the case with most games and dare I say I went months before finally being able to find people willing to run some of LOTRO's lower level instances as I came on much later when they weren't new to anyone other than those new to the game.
I think other things factor in the desire to see another mmo put up wow type numbers, for some it's validation of what they may feel, like mmo's being a viable powerhouse and not just some sort of niche market with the exception of the juggernaught that is wow.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
OH NO!...Please God no, let it not happen. Sorry I prefer my games the way they are and I like all those 10 year old kids, clueless housewives and granddads to remain in WoW where they belong. WoW has a purpose - to keep all the non serious gamers in 1 place. Games like Lotro, EQ, and the others are for serious gamers. Let's keep it that way and preserve the universe of gaming. Thanks.
The pros stay in WoW, those who can't cope with it need play the second best. I am playing LOTRO as we speak. It is virtually dead. And I play on one of the most popular servers, Laurelin EU. Laughable (in)activity. This easter I played EQ2 as well, and it had more activity than LOTRO. Well, I saw maybe a couple lowbies when I levelled to 14 one night. If that is called acitivity?
Make us care MORE about our faction & world pvp!
*guffaw*
There are those that can't walk from their first game, and those who have to have swollen player populations to find *gameplay* worthwhile, even though all they do is solo.
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Of course not...nobody cares about Lady Gaga.
But you do hear people say that upcoming Band X will be greater than Band Y. Or more commonly that Band A will be the next Beatles/Michael Jackson/Elvis/Whatever.
Not be WoW.
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