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30,000 Aion(CN) Players Protest Bots(Screenshot)
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Aewsome! At last, those CN players broke out. So much curse at publisher - Shanda Games.
I had been playing Aion on CN server before it came to NA. The game was full of bots and player never be banned for using bots.
More info: http://news.mmosite.com/content/2010-04-12/30000_aion_players_protest_bots_led_to_servers_down.shtml
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Wow, that's incredible! Good for them, seriously. That must've took quite some organizing no doubt. Hopefully this will lead them down the path in the right direction now. Luckily the problem hasn't gotten that bad in the western version, hopefully it wont.
From what I heard even in the game Lineage 2 NCsoft had their own bots in game to farm gold ( or adena which is the currency in L2) So I wouldnt be surprised if they had some in Aion also. And maybe that is why the bots havent been banned yet.
There is always going to be bots, I can probably count the game which have no bots on one hand. What the game company can do to change the bots is to ban them all so they have to buy new accounts and keep at it. And also have a "zero-policy" about it. Which means as soon as they got proof of boting there is an instant perm-ban.
They can also make the game less grind and less repeatative so that the players have to use 100 % of themselves to interact with the game.
What bugs me about this is that NCsoft was posting everywhere and promised players that there would be no bots, and they also did alot of advertising about how many accounts been banned and so on. Yet now we read about this.
This is one of the reason why I for one dont play the game. And the game is also too much pvp for my taste. There should always be a choice.
NCSoft doesn't publish the Chinese version of Aion I don't think. I believe you're talking about the NA/EU version where they promised to ban (and did ban thousands) of bots. There's definitely bots in the NA version though, I had a hell of a time getting to 50 there was so many in the zone I grinded in. By the time I'd already hit 50 was when they begun doing the massive banning. From there on out you'd see waves of bots start coming back but by the time they hit about level 30 or so they all were banned again. So I have to say atleast NCSoft is attempting to keep their game clean, it's definitely not easy.
Wow nice find. Hopefully SND starts taking serious action, I'm surprised it took them this long to finally burst into protests! I really hope they can get it sorted like it is now on NA/EU servers where players barely see any bot anymore.
I have no idea how they go about banning bots., I don't work for NCSoft. I knew a few people who botted who weren't banned as well, that doesn't mean they didn't ban any bots at all though. Perhaps you didn't notice the decrease of bots because you were using a bot and was never actually playing the game? I sure as hell noticed a difference on Triniel when they started the waves of bot bannings. Ofcoarse it never completely dissapeared but I did notice a dramatic decrease.
Yeah I know it really hard especially with grind games and repeatative gameplay because people get bored easy. But atleast they are trying that is a good plus.
Yes, good point. But I'm telling you even in the abyss it was full of bots. Also where we were botting there were plenty of ppl around us too. Im glad to hear that they did something to remove the bots. Gl and hf with Aion.
Wow... someone openly admitting that they have been actively botting all the time, and then complaining that NC Soft isn't doing enough against botting?!?
That's so twisted thinking that I have no words for it
Well, I know that NC Soft is using all kinds of measures with sometimes less and sometimes more visible effect. But it's like weeding the garden, every time you think you're done, give it a few weeks, and it has come up in all kinds of places in your garden again. Doesn't mean you have to stop weeding, only that it's a neverending process, especially in Asian MMO's (didn't see many bots in LotrO or AoC)
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I dont know the procentages with the CN severs and the NA plus the EU servers but I can imagine if you put NA and EU together they arent even 25 % of what the CN player base is. And CN are more poor irl than the NA and the EU players therefor they can make alot of money by selling gold or in this case Kinah (currency of Aion). So the more bots they got the more money they will get IRL. Some people in CN make enough money to support their families irl which makes it a thing for them, but bad for the game.
But what would you not do to keep your family feed with roof over their heads?
I truly believe it as i played L2 and reported tons of bots,and they were never removed and yes i did get response from customer support,so they DID see my bot lists and still did nothing.
There is millions of doallars to be made from RMT botting/selling,no question these guys are in on it.You know why they put up a fake front?It is because they of course want to ban the competition bots invading on their money making and it gives the impression they are against it ,when they are clearly not.All the players that played L2 know NCSOFT's stance on botting,nothing they can do now ,will fool anyone.
When you play a NCSOFT game and see bots waddling back and forth right out in the open,clear as day,you know there is no active GM work being done.Instead they rely on automated spam detection,and people reporting[witch does nothing].A GM that is even the least bit competent could easily remove bots non stop,players should NOT be the ones that look after the game,the dev is being PAID by the players to make sure the game is clean and legit for ALL users.
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Good post I agree with you and since we both seem to have played L2 also we know the deal how little those GMs did about the bots there.
I don't think I've ever seen a bot in Triniel, atleast not on the scale that you describe. I don't play Aion anymore as I'm waiting for v2.0 to release. Have fun botting or whatever you do though
As for the whole L2 thing, I've never played it but I've heard plenty about how shady NCSoft is about the bots there. Starting to think some of these publishers would rather have the 15 dollars from the bots subscription than a happy and healthy playerbase.
And that's also why both of you should understand that it doesn't matter how little the GMs "did" 5years ago, what matters is what they are doing "now", which is pretty much obliterating gold spams and botters by removing them non-stop every time they pop. It's irrelevant whether NCsoft supported botters in the past or not.
Also this has nothing to do with the topic, as NCSoft isn't even in question here, SDNA are the Chinese publishers, and should follow in NC's footsteps in the West as far as bot banning is concerned imo.
I think it's best if they did. . . otherwise they'll have 30,000 people crashing the servers everytime they turn around LOL
ya in korea its legal to do that there .it was in court and botter gold seller won (the people business,(gold seller or botter))would compromisse the economy!(give me a break since when is a gold seller or a botter a homeless)
so now that industry is moving to korea with a vengance
industry cant really turn around that fast but what it means they ll probably block all gamer from korea and have a small specific game just for korea .till then they got to suffer the bot!
Why the hell would NCsoft make there own bots to grind money when they can make as much money as they like by jsut hitting a couple keys...
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This was nothing but a rumor started by a disgruntled Lineage 2 player. But years later people now repeat it as if an employee of NCSoft said it themselves.
And you're right, Sarge; it would be pretty stupid for them to bot their own game.
The other twist on this completely false accusation is that NCSoft somehow takes a kickback on all of the "unauthorized" RMT going on in their games.
This is also completely stupid, because if that was the case there would be no need for bots, NCSoft employees could just give unlimited supplies of gold to the 3rd party companies.
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Never seen a bot on Triniel??? My clan played on that server before we all quit a month or so ago and it was loaded with bots. Every zone had tons of them. I guess you just can't pick them out from the regualr players.
Im on triniel as well and there are almost no bots and there hasnt been for months. Im not aware of any server thats been loaded with bots since the pre-december mass banning. FYI, I have 2 accounts, Elyos and Asmo and I dont see bots on either side and yeah I can spot a bot a mile away and reported tons of them back last year. IMO anyone that says there are "loads of bots" in the game today hasn't truly played the game in the last 3 months or so.
You're not the first person to say something like that and, unfortunately, you won't be the last. In short, there's no logic or sense to such a suggestion.
Let's say, by some far stretch of the imagination, you are correct that NCSoft is selling adena or kinah. Why on earth would they put bots in the game - obviating the problem, alienating customers and negatively impacting the subscription numbers - when they could just spawn any conceivable amount of cash with the touch of a button?
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I agree, it doesn't make sense. But then again, even if they could add heaps of ingame cash and items with a simple insert, they could use bots to make it look like players are the only ones as goldsellers so that no one suspects them while they wipe out the goldselling competition...
... well, I think we can safely say that we've left Reality and entered Paranoia Land, but we crossed those borders with the first mention that NCSoft are acting as their own goldsellers and bots in their games. I guess the next step is that there aren't really that many actual players in their MMO's but that NC soft personnel are using hosts of semi automated alts to make it look like their servers are adequately populated.
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Yeah, i have heard people say that aswell, really silly tbh
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And in any case, why would they go through all that trouble when they could just use a different business model and sell their own items/gold through their own shops?
They wouldn't need to ban players as a pretense and they would cater to a player base who wanted to buy gold/items.
Since I know people who were banned for botting/gold buying it just doens't make sense for a company to to be so double faced when they could more easily cater to those players.
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I think the whole NCSoft supports the botters and/or has their own botters stem from stuff like the dirty marketing campaign IGE ran a while back where they stated they are working with top game developers to provide safe and secure RMT options and also from the fake postings people publish where they pretend they are from Korea and that the developers of "insert Korean MMO here" are developing their games with the sole intent of botters/gold farmers in mind. The funny thing is that 90% of gold farmers arent korean and dont play on Korean servers. Most of them are playing on NA/EU servers because we have a lot more money to spend on gold, gear, and characters.
Unfortunately with the leveling curve and item dependancy of games like Aion, the botting and RMT will always be present. We as a society are lazy and want our rewards with little to no effort. I know prior to the last mass banning, the top raiding guilds on most servers had members who were botting and/or participating in RMT. On the server I play on, the top guild lost around 80% of its members due to the banning. Most of them were American players and not some foreign gold farmer.
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