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Darkfalz89
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Ive played mostly FFXI in the good old days when Lineage 2 was around, but despite how enticing the game looked the supposed grind and "bot fest" stories drove me away. After shopping around for a good F2P or P2P PVP mmo with my latest dissappoinment in aion giving not much luck, i always noticed that this games seiges and pvp look much like the glory days of DAoC. I do have a couple of questions as far as the PVP in the game goes:
1. What forms of PvP are available and at what recommended levels (instances,open world)
2. Are there Battlegrounds or any form of cross server instanced PVP?
3. How is the class balanced for PvP and how solid is the PvP in sieges and overall?
I also have some questions on where i can read some info as far as quests/skils/guides are concerned (some good kept up to date information sites). Preferably some place i can check out which classes that interest me and so forth. I also am curious as to how newb friendly this game is and how easy it is to pick up and go with? My understanding most of the grind (at least some of the levels) was drastically reduced, and if this is true what levels are they? Server wise, im sure there is Seiges and good solid PVP but still would take recommendations on a active server as far as all forms of PvP go (if there are instances and whatnat which would require a avid PVP centric realm, then again im not sure since i dont know much about the game).
Thanks for all you suggestions and feedback in advance.
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It's all open world pvp. The only instanced pvp would be for "Heroes" which are one vs one encounters. There can only be one hero per class on any server. This is a higher lvl thing and it is for players who have a subclass and have become Noblesse.
There is no inter server pvp though a long time ago some of the gm's arranged for an inter server competition which I wish they would have continued.
So no battlegrounds and very few instances. the only instances that I know of are a pve type instance called a kamolka or something like that. Now that I think of it, the festivals for Dawn and Dusk are instanced. You'll have to read more about that but players can opt to compete for either the Dusk faction (players who don't own castles) or the Dawn factions (players who do have castles). However, if you don't have a castle you can still compete for Dawn by purchasing a special writ. The winners can enter the catas and Necropoli which are speical dungeons. Not instanced.
Within these dungeons you have access to the blacksmith fo mammon and the merchante of mammon and can purchase things with a currency called ancient adena. Also have weapons upgraded, etc. They travel around from one to another so someitmes you have to go runnign around a lot to find them.
It's been a long time since I pvp'ed in the game but usually ranged classes and daggers seemed to dominate. Having said that there were always other classes such as gladiators or Destroyers that also did well at higher lvls.
I would go to www.lineage2.com and at the left hand side you will find all the info you need regarding classes and the like.
As far as servers, Phoenix for U.S. and Teon for Euro as far as very active servers.
is it new player friendly? I'm not going to lie, even though there are a lot of things to help the new player out including easier leveling at the start (if you do the few quests in the starter areas... not really a quest game) this is a game where you have to be proactive. Proactive in finding a clan and proactive in making money.
I would say if anything, making money in the game will be your largest challenge in some respects.
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Is there also PvE in the game?
Thanks for trial, downloading it now
Well, there is a lot of pve in that you will be killing lots of mobs. Though you should do all the quests you can find in the starter area you pick, know that this is NOT a quest based game. Oh, there are quests and some can be interesting and the quests for subclass are interesting in a way but this is a game where you will be grinding mobs.
IF anything, this is the cadillac of Korean grind games.
The sieges are great, the pvp can be great, it's a beautiful world and a very interesting one at that and territory wars have been added.
But you will kill mobs.
lots of them.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Hm okay.
Some even said that private servers are better than original? Is that true?
you have some instanced timed dungeons too ..
get a nice clan with academy u are going to need help to get some starting equipment..
i played on a private server some time ago, where no trials were available to try the game before buying .. u will have better community support on the official ones .. thus in my case, the manager of the private server deleted server and i lost all my progress, that wont happend on official's
in my opinion, better try official servers and get a nice clan/academy or you will get stucked with your equipment and the second class transfer deserves new equipment in most cases...
u will need to buy some grade C SS or BSS and if u dont level a dwarf u will need to buy from players.. and sometimes are eralley expensive, so check prices twice before buying
enjoy l2
Private servers are mainly played by people who like an older client of Lineage 2. Some can be fun.A Good low rate private server where you dont have to cheat to make money is nice. Private servers dont live long though and a lot of them want donations in their cash shop.It will always be a fake version of the game though and it doesnt quite have the same appeal personally.I think what drives people to play private servers is the fact they dont like Ncsoft west and how they have run the game. Its a shame because its a very loved game by its player base.
There is lots of PVE in the game but its not really quest driven. You do quests for nobless and subclass*important quests to progress your character* and some to make money but the PVE comes from killing bosses and just hanging out with friends in a dungeon or something beating on monsters.Lineage 2 is not a very forgiving game if you make stupid mistakes.A lot of the game is based on risk and reward. if you have a +10 weapon and you want to make it +11 it will get better stats but it can also break forever. Crafting you can end up with nothing if it fails.If you like risk versus reward u will enjoy it
Is it only click-to-move? I cant seem to change it.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhvbOOLSddc
Here is some pve an epic raid boss .
yeah its click to move
Ye I quit it already. I don't like click to move in a mmo.
Diablo is great, but an mmo no way
u can also use wasd but u had to set something in the client
from l2 official faq
If you prefer using the WASD keys to move, press Alt+X to open the System menu. Choose Options, and in the Game tab, click “Enter Chat”. Click OK to save your choice. The WASD keys will now move your character, and you must press the Enter key to enter text for chatting.
if u want and advice, once u get used to click to move is better than wasd
From what im gathering the game's main focus is PvE, The Dawn and Dusk Factions seem much like the encounters in the Wintergrasp zone in WoW where two sides compete in PvP in order to control these PvE instances where they can also upgrade thier equipment. As far as itemization goes for crafting/PvE/PvP, are there any PvP sets or are there any forms of token systems for PvP or is the gear purely obtained by PvE? Are there rare and epic drops (meaning is there a large variety of gear) and can uber gear be crafted? What im asking is how important are the dungeons/raid as far as obtaining gear? From whats been mentioned it looks like most of the games PvE is open world which i always deem as good. I already understood this game is a grindy one that isnt very quest influenced. To those that know, FFXI was level based as a group grind, where as the story and lore of the game as well as items were introduced through quests.
What my major question is how often does PvP happen other than ganking? Are there specific PvP induced zones where players can duke it out outside of seiges and that Dusk and Daw faction thing? How often is that Dusk/Dawn war thing happen and how often are seiges? I personally prefer PvE and so i rather play FFXI but unfortunately my PvP induced friend only would like to play a game that features PvP. This would be the reason why Id like to know all the venues this game offers for PvPers and how often these venues are accesible and what levels they are accessible at? Im sure most of al lthe pvp in this game requires you to be max level.
Sort of.
This is a korean grind game as you said. There are quests but they don't really have the same impact on the game as quests in wow or lotro, etc. So yes, Dawn and Dusk happens by turning in seal stones but what's to stop players from finding their enemies in the catas and necros and killing them every time they see them? The driving engine behind leveling and gathering items is pve true. But in the end all this is done and can be affected by pvp in some form or another.
The main point of grinding is to make your character more powerful in pvp. You can be pk'ed at any time by anyone for anything. There are very few safe spots. To that end most of the pvp comes between clans and alliances. doesn't mean that someone isn't going to take out a character and go searching for action. This game is more politcial than, say wow.
Gear is crafted. The same gear can drop from raids or from a mob. However, to give you an example, I went over a year before I got my first good drop from a mob.
All gear can be crafted. The only "rare" drops are special items from specific raid bosses.
If you prefer pve compltely then sure, you can grind to your heart's content. But that doesn't mean you aren't fair game. Sieges can happen ever two weeks for a specific castle but I believe over all they are every week with altnating castles.
Fortress sieges can happen several times per day if you want to attack someone's fortress or take an free fortress in which case that is a pve affair.
If someone gives up a castle and no one claims it, it goes back to pve control.
If your friend wants to pvp he should join a good clan. All clans benefit from new players levelign from lvl 1-40. They get points for this. It is through what is called a clan academy. When the person hits 40 they are dropped from the academy and the clan gets points. The clan can then permanently recruit them if the want or the player is free to go elsewhere.
but if you friend wants to pvp all the time he should join a group that is always warring other clans/alliances.
There are some places like the festivals for dawn and dusk and the kamolka instances that are safe. Obviously if one side or another wins dawn/dusk then that side has the catas and necros all to themselves. However, most of the time everybody goes dawn to insure that they get in.
That is when some upstart group decides to get them all for themselves and can possibly win the side all for themselves. This dawn/dusk thing happens every two weeks if memory serves.
edit: pvp can happen at any level but in order to take a castle you need a lvl 3 clan. There are also territory wars but that happened just after I left for a bit and I have not been in any of them.
It helps being higher lvl but nothign is to stope a player seeing another player levelign in his area from attacking him and maybe winning/maybe losing. I would say most pvp happens at higher level, barrng the territory wars as I don't know how they work.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
So from reading your post I can safely assume that PvP plays a very fair role in the game as far as politics/overall seiges work. Im wondering if there are some people out there that can tell me more about territory wars and maybe some other newer forms of pvp that your not quite aware of due to your absence in the game. So other than castle control, is there any benefit to killing another player? You tell me that clans can be at war, do you mean simply castle fights or are there instances where the karma system doesnt go in affect? Like certain places/zones/instances other than the events your mentioned?
Unless you are at war or in a siege (and most likely territory war) you will get karma for fighitng. So you dont' get karma for a clan war. One other place you won't are the hero matches. oh, also in a duel.
People pvp to take areas for leveling or to kick people from their areas or to just war them. There was a time when a clan took cruma tower and wouldn't allow anyone in except their people for leveling. People used to chage a "toll" to cross bridges and if they couldn't then they would be pk'ed. High level players used to keep new players penned up in the cities and if they left they would be pk'ed. It's not really like that now but anything and everything was fair game.
A clan can also take fortresses which are usually for clans that don't have the power to take a castle. So if it is owned by another clan that is a karma free pvp area.
Essentially you only get karma if you pk someone. If they hit you back and you win you don't get karma.
If you die you lose xp so that is one way to put the pressure on. Of course there are a few ways to mitigate that such as blessed rez scrolls or rezzign at a clan hall for 50% of your xp debt, etc.
Apparently they have added an instanced dungeon. Didn't know that...
Here:
http://www.lineage2.com/
If you go to the left you will see a button for library. It will list quite a bit of info in the drop down which you can then learn more about certain classes. It will talk about sieges, seven signs, a bunch of stuff.
And to mention again, it is a click to move game. You can use wasd but it's very clunky and really not worth it.
Apparenlty there is also an underground coliseum for pvp as well where you don't get karma. This came after I left.
http://www.lineage2.com/Knowledge/underground_coliseum.html
I found territory wars under the expansion news. If you got to the left, under news you will see a link for Gracia Final and Gracia Epilogue.
Final will tell you about territory wars and Epilogue has some changes.
http://www.lineage2.com/news/graciafinal_01.html
http://www.lineage2.com/news/graciaepilogue_01.html
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Lots of interest in L2 recently or so it would seem. Hmmm.
one of my favourite mmos for sure, try it, its free u have nothing to lose but some xp when u will die xD
its a hard game, demands a lot of time, and i mean A LOT of time that i dont have right now
The upper levels still require more time and of course making money always takes effort.
However, if players do the quests in the starter areas (which will vault them to 20 in no time) and take advantage of the player buffs and the regular weapons (whatever they are called, they are cheaper) then they can level to around 65 ish (from what I've read) in a more reasonable amount of time.
There is also a vitality system which is essentially rest xp.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Players pvp over bosses and epic bosses really. The value of drops to control the market in town comes from fighting for epic jewlery.Like what was said earlier in this thread people pvp over simple loot areas.If youre farming something they will try kick your whole clan out to dominate certian items.The pvp can change in minutes though regarding the politics and it makes an interesting system of how your server is run.Also you dont need WASD in Lineage 2 and u dont need jump either :P .The game is not designed around players jumping off and canceling your nukes.
For as cookie cutter as the classes are in the game the world is very much a sand box. It's up to the player to make the fun.Also the classes are pretty standard types but they are each very intricate to play right.
It takes a very long time to level up past 79 with cap being 85 currently but the high levels and high weapons and gear are very powerful so its an awesome thing to accomplish and have for both pve and pvp.
Lineage 2 also has a ton of agaithons*sort of like a summon* and pets and also fashion accessories.So if you want to look unique thats pretty much how the player base does it because when it comes to actual fighting gear, often you have a set weapon that will give best stats so your toon will end up looking a lot more *common* .The higher level gear is designed beautifuly though and it makes your character look powerful.
The community thrives off patch notes so they can plan for the future in the game.All the patches are free and they can happen a few times a year.
Here is some new high level weapons. SEXY!
This is my favorite Lineage 2 forums because they translate the Korean patch notes before the patches come out here but you will find guides and a ton of information there.
http://v3.elliebelly.net/index.php?option=com_kunena&Itemid=55
This is all very true.
The game really is more sandbox as far as what players want to do. Players have to be proactive and decide what it is they want and want out of the game.
The game play really does come down to player interaction.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
Well shit, now it makes sense that so many still play this game and it amazes me how complex this game is that i can hardly believe its a korean game.....Guess its the power of the P2P vs F2P model. This game seems very fun and almost as sandboxish as EVE. I really never thought of it in this way before but i always prefered a fantasy version of EVE (didnt care much for darkfall...bleh.) and if you think about seiges/fort fights the are much like stations that provide wealth and protection. Then you make crafting a very important aspect and players can fight over land and farm mats to make these luxurious items. Man this sounds tight.....As far as those new weaps, will those also be craftable or only epic lewt?
I quit playing Lineage 2 about a year ago after 3 years of playing, I have done every sort of PvP, PvE, siege, raid etc there is.
For a new player, especially one who wants to take part in PvP, I'd suggest you look elsewhere. You are way too far behind in terms of levels, gear, epics, etc. Most clans that actually PvP these days (I use an account every now and then for pvp / sieges) are at least level 83, if not 85 and have full epics, full icarus etc If you are playing hardcore, can get yourself in a good raiding / pvp clan (most wont want you unless you are level 80 and have full dynasty and / or epics, you might be able to put up a fight in pvp in a year or so, add another year for full 85 and armour.
The game is dying, only two servers with people online, and both of them have their top pvp clans botting and using radar style programs to auto attack, auto use health pots etc.
The game is great, just wayyyy too much grind, way too many bots, far too hard for new players to get to a level worth talking about, and not enough players around. If you want to just grind away, not really pvp then it's not so bad.
Thats why i was kinda unsure about the actual getting to 80 tidbit. I may or may not try this out after finding out about the leveling curve in the game. I just got into contact with a old friend of mine that i found out still plays the game and has a 85 on phoenix. Hes a PvP nut and he said pretty much most of what you said. The game isnt necessarily dieing as you said but its going to take quite a while to progress 80+ with that being said I will probably wait for TERA and if all hope fails ill know I can always come back and check this game out.