One major problem is they have barely done any marketing recently, especially after this major overhaul and "re-release". Other than those who frequent MMO genre oriented sites and Alganon's website, your average MMO-er has probably never even heard of this game. Any thoughts?
Hakiem's numbers are pretty much dead on. Right now at 7:41pm MST there is 71 players from all the servers combined. So yeah the numbers are pretty sad for a relaunch. I feel so sorry for the Devs that are left. Derek needs to leave the company if they want to have any chance of having a job in a year.
He is doing so much harm to the present and future Investors customers that those players do not want to put their money into a company that lets their "leader" show no respect for the players that can make the game succeed.
71 .. LOL ...
Some site should ask Derek about this "enthusiatic" response to the new launch and see what he has to say.
To be honest, watching Dr Smart vs the community (or whoever) is way more fun than the actual wow clone. Too bad i miss his rant.
One major problem is they have barely done any marketing recently, especially after this major overhaul and "re-release". Other than those who frequent MMO genre oriented sites and Alganon's website, your average MMO-er has probably never even heard of this game. Any thoughts?
Derek or i think david allen when he was still there said there would be a lot of advertising this time around but guess it never happened because of obvious reasons. IMO advertising isn't going to help them, remember open beta? servers were deserted rright after the first day because people literally logged on played 5 mins and knew it was a "wow clone" and logged off, no exaggeration at all. They really need to just go fully f2p, thats really the only way the game i going to survive from what i've seen.
I don't understand all the hate for this game. I suspect ulterior motives in some cases. The graphics and gameplay are top notch in my opinion. If you haven't played, by all means get the TRIAL and see for yourself. With slim pickins' for mmo's right now, I think you'll be passing up a great game here.
I got the trial and tried for myself.
Played for 5 hours tonight then uninstalled. Seriously man, graphics are "top notch?" TOP NOTCH. These are 5 year old graphics we're talking about. You want top notch, go play Age of Conan, Aion or LOTRO. And while the gameplay wasn't horrible, it definitely wasn't great. Combat felt kind of clunky as did character animations. Neither of those reasons made me uninstall (it was the generic nature of the game that did) but seriously, top notch?
Those are subscription games and I've played all 3 of those. I thought we were talking ftp games. Top Notch for a ftp game. I'm liking the game, what can I say? It's better than any of the Korean ftp's that I can think of. I''m waiting for FFXIV anyway, so I'll play this til then. Most of you guys are just pissed off at what went down at Quest. It's nuts! For me it was a tossup between Allods and Alganon. I chose Alganon. No big deal. It's just a game.
Haha man everything surrounding this game has been a mess. I can't even post my opinions about it without getting a warning or temp ban from MMO mods because I call it like I see it. I almost feel like there is a fanboy moderator or someone got something something on the side.
Look the whole thing was handled poorly, there was little creativity, and the game tries too hard to be exactly like games before it with a fraction of the budget. If you want a game like that to really stand out and succeed you have to be creative and innovative on a couple points to get that niche market. I don't see how this game can stand up to Cataclysm. This is just my 2 cents.
Better F2P: Guild Wars, Allods, Dungeons & Dragons Online, Runes of Magic, Perfect World
All of these held my interest longer than Alganon. I think they all look better and play better. Allods, to me, was a big surprise. I expected little and was really impressed with the game. PW is probably the weakest of the bunch.
Better F2P: Guild Wars, Allods, Dungeons & Dragons Online, Runes of Magic, Perfect World
All of these held my interest longer than Alganon. I think they all look better and play better. Allods, to me, was a big surprise. I expected little and was really impressed with the game. PW is probably the weakest of the bunch.
Guild Wars isn't technically F2P since you pay for the client and expansions. It is subscription free. Dungeons and Dragons started out as a P2P, but seems to have made the transition to a hybrid business model. Allods, RoM and PW are all F2P.
Better F2P: Guild Wars, Allods, Dungeons & Dragons Online, Runes of Magic, Perfect World
All of these held my interest longer than Alganon. I think they all look better and play better. Allods, to me, was a big surprise. I expected little and was really impressed with the game. PW is probably the weakest of the bunch.
Guild Wars isn't technically F2P since you pay for the client and expansions. It is subscription free. Dungeons and Dragons started out as a P2P, but seems to have made the transition to a hybrid business model. Allods, RoM and PW are all F2P.
True, but Guild Wars is currently (on Steam) the same price as Alganon.
Okay.. Name 3 of them that you think are better. I played ROM for a few months and thought that game was pretty good. I'm not looking to be combative. Just wondering which games you think are better.
Allods Online
Between that and Alganon (still cant get that detergent commercial out of my mind every time i hear that name), your better off playing WoW, since you're not saving any money in the long-run, and both games have inferior everything.
So Dr Smart, may just be the first Dev banned from mmorpg.com
Here's hoping.
No, he'd just be joining the idiots who ran Mourning/Thrones of Chaos. They were the first devs to receieve bans from here.
The only difference is that Derek Smart actually released his two abortions ( Battlecruiser A.D. and Alganon ) whereas the Mourning guys were just running a scam.
He'd be perfect company for them though.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
One major problem is they have barely done any marketing recently, especially after this major overhaul and "re-release". Other than those who frequent MMO genre oriented sites and Alganon's website, your average MMO-er has probably never even heard of this game. Any thoughts?
Derek or i think david allen when he was still there said there would be a lot of advertising this time around but guess it never happened because of obvious reasons. IMO advertising isn't going to help them, remember open beta? servers were deserted rright after the first day because people literally logged on played 5 mins and knew it was a "wow clone" and logged off, no exaggeration at all. They really need to just go fully f2p, thats really the only way the game i going to survive from what i've seen.
It was actually Derek who stated that when the actual launch was coming they were going to run a hefty advertising campaign. And it never came. More empty promises. There are/were multiple posts of his promises about the advertising campaign on the official forums, probably removed now, tho.
Honestly, other than the arrogant comments and Derek scaring fans away, you can't tell anyone else is in charge of Alganon. Most of these changes would of been coming if David Allen was head anyways. And they probably would of came faster because their company wouldn't of been going through all it went through. Not to mention David at least didn't scare off their entire community, which was fairly loyal despite the state of the game.
The investors and Derek both deserve what's coming. All the arrogant claims and statements and it's worse off now than it was when David was heading it. Derek built up this whole "new leadership 2.0, brand new game" hype-train (if you want to call it that) and severely failed to deliver while also completely ruining the community and scaring users away.
I can't see why some people here take such offense at Mr. Smart's views.
You all feel you have the given right to express your opinions however PC or controversial they may or may not be.
Many here feel they are perfectly entitled to continually insult, slander and scapegoat individuals here.
But should a member of our MMO community, who also happens to be a game developer, be so forthright as to express his own opinion rather than some impotent PR wash, you become all holier-than-thou, and accuse him of breaking some unwritten rules about devs not being allowed to appear human, have opinions, answer criticisms or defend himself against the relentless bashing.
Most developers completely disregard any kind of interaction with the customer. Some trouble themselves to descend from on high every couple of months to feed the unworthy with a few scraps to appear as though they are 'involved' and 'care about you'.
Derek Smart gets involved on our level. You ask questions of him, and his games, he gives you his answers. He doesn't ask you to agree or to like them.
You may not like him personally but understand his interaction with our community is what many of us really wish others would take time out of their busy lives to do, and for every Derek Smart, 10 developers look at how you treat him and see clearly it really wouldn't be worth the bother.
If you were part of the amazing community that Alganon had. Then you would have a whole bag of reasons to dislike Smrt for his comments. Those players were more then willing to go through thick and thin for the game, no matter how bad the bugs got or how many players slammed how bad the game is.
Yes David Allen is not much better then Smrt. At the very least David would listen to your well written, respected thought out views on the game. Smrt will delete them cause he feels they are flamebait. Anytime a so called "president" comments on locked threads to players of the community about their posts and he himself causes flamebait in those comments. And if you dare to try to comment on his comments then you get either banned or your post deleted. Funny how that a flamer can make flames to users but he himself said it is against the forum rules to start flamewars or flamebait. But still does it.
And no I was not one of them.......yet. I am just a gamer that saw what once was one of the most amazing gaming communities that i have been in for the last 10 years get treated with such disrespect and told to piss off.
Do a little research on Smrt, you will see the crap the man does and thinks it is ok for him to do it but if you as a gamer or customer does it then it is not allowed.
Last time I looked companies hired PR people to do the PR not a so called "president'
I've played just about all 3000ad games, quite familiar with Derek Smart and his methods.
Your experiences are however quite alarming, and I can only sympathise with how you feel. I'm sure most of us here have been a part of great communities over the years which have changed or been erroded through a variety of reasons, and the experience is never a happy one.
However, your post right there is exemplary, you have reached out with your views and achieved understanding from another with them. Posts like that, concerning Alganon, Derek Smart and recent developments are few and far between here.
Instead we have seen page upon page of vitriol and abuse. As for PR, I like Derek's approach to be frank, always have, so wont get into a discussion where I am defending him over any wrongdoings, perceived or otherwise, but stand by my opinion that I would prefer his involvement in the community any day over some hired PR spin doctor to regurgitate the same old company line over and over
I can't see why some people here take such offense at Mr. Smart's views.
You all feel you have the given right to express your opinions however PC or controversial they may or may not be.
Many here feel they are perfectly entitled to continually insult, slander and scapegoat individuals here.
But should a member of our MMO community, who also happens to be a game developer, be so forthright as to express his own opinion rather than some impotent PR wash, you become all holier-than-thou, and accuse him of breaking some unwritten rules about devs not being allowed to appear human, have opinions, answer criticisms or defend himself against the relentless bashing.
Most developers completely disregard any kind of interaction with the customer. Some trouble themselves to descend from on high every couple of months to feed the unworthy with a few scraps to appear as though they are 'involved' and 'care about you'.
Derek Smart gets involved on our level. You ask questions of him, and his games, he gives you his answers. He doesn't ask you to agree or to like them.
You may not like him personally but understand his interaction with our community is what many of us really wish others would take time out of their busy lives to do, and for every Derek Smart, 10 developers look at how you treat him and see clearly it really wouldn't be worth the bother.
Hi there Mr. One Post Wonder,
I'd just like to suggest you learn the meanings behind words before using them. Noone here has "slandered" anyone since noone here is speaking, we're typing. The word you're desperately searching for is "libel", and noone here has committed libel either, outside of Mr. Smart himself who comes pretty damn close everytime. As far as scapegoating, Smart himself seems to be the biggest user of scapegoating tactics I've seen in a very long time. Everything is someone else's fault.
Also," for every Derek Smart, 10 developers look at how you treat him and see clearly it really wouldn't be worth the bother", you're wrong. Those developers ( the intelligent ones anyway ) all look at Smart's history and think the same as we do.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
That I've never seen purpose in adding my opinion to any thread here before means what?
Slander is only defined as oral in terms of legal documentation. The word, by definition in the language of english language outside of legal jargon, is any statement deemed malicious and defamatory.
Thank you for attacking my differing opinion in such a churlish fashion, you have proven my point.
I can't see why some people here take such offense at Mr. Smart's views.
You all feel you have the given right to express your opinions however PC or controversial they may or may not be.
Many here feel they are perfectly entitled to continually insult, slander and scapegoat individuals here.
But should a member of our MMO community, who also happens to be a game developer, be so forthright as to express his own opinion rather than some impotent PR wash, you become all holier-than-thou, and accuse him of breaking some unwritten rules about devs not being allowed to appear human, have opinions, answer criticisms or defend himself against the relentless bashing.
Most developers completely disregard any kind of interaction with the customer. Some trouble themselves to descend from on high every couple of months to feed the unworthy with a few scraps to appear as though they are 'involved' and 'care about you'.
Derek Smart gets involved on our level. You ask questions of him, and his games, he gives you his answers. He doesn't ask you to agree or to like them.
You may not like him personally but understand his interaction with our community is what many of us really wish others would take time out of their busy lives to do, and for every Derek Smart, 10 developers look at how you treat him and see clearly it really wouldn't be worth the bother.
First, professionals in what ever market sector do NOT(publically...) deal with their *customers* in the fashion that Mr Smart did, in terms of the Alganon community. It was a constant stream of threats, insults and other antics. He has a LONG history of such antics. Second, it was not only counter productive, but uncalled for. If he had kept a professional attitude, while still stating his opinions, he wouldn't have managed to almost single handedly destroy Alganons community.
Finally, one can be honest and direct without using threats and insults. Attempts to rewrite history at this late date are rather pointless. The damage has already been done, and most of the old community have left for other games. Its a shame, as with the old community intact, the game would have had more of a chance of having some limited success as a nich game.
This is way I see it I am enjoying the game I will continue to play it really makes no difference to me or not what others think I won't try to convince them to change there mind.There is a trial anyone who wants to give it a go they can if it isn't for them then no one is saying you must play it.I have played most all the pay to play mmogs and alot of the free to play though I usually stay clear of them as they suck.
Whoeevr the people are hwo keep sayin guild wars give me a break that game sucks talk about linear and being forced along a path I still dunno why ppl think Guild wars is good imo and only mine Alaganon is 1000x better than guild wars,Imop it is better than Warhammer Online,and quite a few others.I like Derek from, what i have seen he is no nonsense that rubs people the wrong way he defends himself and what he is doing nothing wrong with taking pride in your work if you work a 9-5 job and someone was constantly bashing what you do or what your trying to do day in day out I am willing to bet you would finally get fed up and say something also.I don't have to agree with any dev to play there game I sure don't agree with turn Blizzard has taken lately with there 25 usd mounts and other things all the while draggin there ass on content and what lil they do make they are making me pay for along with the monthly fee,TO each there own I really think if some of you would have a open mind play the game and actually give it a good try you might be surprised you like it.
This is way I see it I am enjoying the game I will continue to play it really makes no difference to me or not what others think I won't try to convince them to change there mind.There is a trial anyone who wants to give it a go they can if it isn't for them then no one is saying you must play it.I have played most all the pay to play mmogs and alot of the free to play though I usually stay clear of them as they suck.
Whoeevr the people are hwo keep sayin guild wars give me a break that game sucks talk about linear and being forced along a path I still dunno why ppl think Guild wars is good imo and only mine Alaganon is 1000x better than guild wars,Imop it is better than Warhammer Online,and quite a few others.I like Derek from, what i have seen he is no nonsense that rubs people the wrong way he defends himself and what he is doing nothing wrong with taking pride in your work if you work a 9-5 job and someone was constantly bashing what you do or what your trying to do day in day out I am willing to bet you would finally get fed up and say something also.I don't have to agree with any dev to play there game I sure don't agree with turn Blizzard has taken lately with there 25 usd mounts and other things all the while draggin there ass on content and what lil they do make they are making me pay for along with the monthly fee,TO each there own I really think if some of you would have a open mind play the game and actually give it a good try you might be surprised you like it.
Woah i think 2.0 brought a totally new game, alganon is a sandbox now? No linear progression? no quests to follow in a certain zone? i think we may have underestimated derek after all.
Sorry for the sarcasm but really? Guild wars is ALOT more open then alganon in terms of what you want to do and has a ton more content, you cant even compare the two man.
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Excellent point. I honestly WOULD try Alganon, except that I cannot stand this man and will not pay for anything he's affiliated with.
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One major problem is they have barely done any marketing recently, especially after this major overhaul and "re-release". Other than those who frequent MMO genre oriented sites and Alganon's website, your average MMO-er has probably never even heard of this game. Any thoughts?
71 .. LOL ...
Some site should ask Derek about this "enthusiatic" response to the new launch and see what he has to say.
To be honest, watching Dr Smart vs the community (or whoever) is way more fun than the actual wow clone. Too bad i miss his rant.
Derek or i think david allen when he was still there said there would be a lot of advertising this time around but guess it never happened because of obvious reasons. IMO advertising isn't going to help them, remember open beta? servers were deserted rright after the first day because people literally logged on played 5 mins and knew it was a "wow clone" and logged off, no exaggeration at all. They really need to just go fully f2p, thats really the only way the game i going to survive from what i've seen.
I got the trial and tried for myself.
Played for 5 hours tonight then uninstalled. Seriously man, graphics are "top notch?" TOP NOTCH. These are 5 year old graphics we're talking about. You want top notch, go play Age of Conan, Aion or LOTRO. And while the gameplay wasn't horrible, it definitely wasn't great. Combat felt kind of clunky as did character animations. Neither of those reasons made me uninstall (it was the generic nature of the game that did) but seriously, top notch?
Those are subscription games and I've played all 3 of those. I thought we were talking ftp games. Top Notch for a ftp game. I'm liking the game, what can I say? It's better than any of the Korean ftp's that I can think of. I''m waiting for FFXIV anyway, so I'll play this til then. Most of you guys are just pissed off at what went down at Quest. It's nuts! For me it was a tossup between Allods and Alganon. I chose Alganon. No big deal. It's just a game.
Haha man everything surrounding this game has been a mess. I can't even post my opinions about it without getting a warning or temp ban from MMO mods because I call it like I see it. I almost feel like there is a fanboy moderator or someone got something something on the side.
Look the whole thing was handled poorly, there was little creativity, and the game tries too hard to be exactly like games before it with a fraction of the budget. If you want a game like that to really stand out and succeed you have to be creative and innovative on a couple points to get that niche market. I don't see how this game can stand up to Cataclysm. This is just my 2 cents.
Buy Guild Wars instead, it's a much better game!
"There is as yet insufficient data for a meaningful answer."
Better F2P: Guild Wars, Allods, Dungeons & Dragons Online, Runes of Magic, Perfect World
All of these held my interest longer than Alganon. I think they all look better and play better. Allods, to me, was a big surprise. I expected little and was really impressed with the game. PW is probably the weakest of the bunch.
Guild Wars isn't technically F2P since you pay for the client and expansions. It is subscription free. Dungeons and Dragons started out as a P2P, but seems to have made the transition to a hybrid business model. Allods, RoM and PW are all F2P.
True, but Guild Wars is currently (on Steam) the same price as Alganon.
Between that and Alganon (still cant get that detergent commercial out of my mind every time i hear that name), your better off playing WoW, since you're not saving any money in the long-run, and both games have inferior everything.
So Dr Smart, may just be the first Dev banned from mmorpg.com
Here's hoping.
No, he'd just be joining the idiots who ran Mourning/Thrones of Chaos. They were the first devs to receieve bans from here.
The only difference is that Derek Smart actually released his two abortions ( Battlecruiser A.D. and Alganon ) whereas the Mourning guys were just running a scam.
He'd be perfect company for them though.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
It was actually Derek who stated that when the actual launch was coming they were going to run a hefty advertising campaign. And it never came. More empty promises. There are/were multiple posts of his promises about the advertising campaign on the official forums, probably removed now, tho.
Honestly, other than the arrogant comments and Derek scaring fans away, you can't tell anyone else is in charge of Alganon. Most of these changes would of been coming if David Allen was head anyways. And they probably would of came faster because their company wouldn't of been going through all it went through. Not to mention David at least didn't scare off their entire community, which was fairly loyal despite the state of the game.
The investors and Derek both deserve what's coming. All the arrogant claims and statements and it's worse off now than it was when David was heading it. Derek built up this whole "new leadership 2.0, brand new game" hype-train (if you want to call it that) and severely failed to deliver while also completely ruining the community and scaring users away.
Bravo, Derek.
I can't see why some people here take such offense at Mr. Smart's views.
You all feel you have the given right to express your opinions however PC or controversial they may or may not be.
Many here feel they are perfectly entitled to continually insult, slander and scapegoat individuals here.
But should a member of our MMO community, who also happens to be a game developer, be so forthright as to express his own opinion rather than some impotent PR wash, you become all holier-than-thou, and accuse him of breaking some unwritten rules about devs not being allowed to appear human, have opinions, answer criticisms or defend himself against the relentless bashing.
Most developers completely disregard any kind of interaction with the customer. Some trouble themselves to descend from on high every couple of months to feed the unworthy with a few scraps to appear as though they are 'involved' and 'care about you'.
Derek Smart gets involved on our level. You ask questions of him, and his games, he gives you his answers. He doesn't ask you to agree or to like them.
You may not like him personally but understand his interaction with our community is what many of us really wish others would take time out of their busy lives to do, and for every Derek Smart, 10 developers look at how you treat him and see clearly it really wouldn't be worth the bother.
If you were part of the amazing community that Alganon had. Then you would have a whole bag of reasons to dislike Smrt for his comments. Those players were more then willing to go through thick and thin for the game, no matter how bad the bugs got or how many players slammed how bad the game is.
Yes David Allen is not much better then Smrt. At the very least David would listen to your well written, respected thought out views on the game. Smrt will delete them cause he feels they are flamebait. Anytime a so called "president" comments on locked threads to players of the community about their posts and he himself causes flamebait in those comments. And if you dare to try to comment on his comments then you get either banned or your post deleted. Funny how that a flamer can make flames to users but he himself said it is against the forum rules to start flamewars or flamebait. But still does it.
And no I was not one of them.......yet. I am just a gamer that saw what once was one of the most amazing gaming communities that i have been in for the last 10 years get treated with such disrespect and told to piss off.
Do a little research on Smrt, you will see the crap the man does and thinks it is ok for him to do it but if you as a gamer or customer does it then it is not allowed.
Last time I looked companies hired PR people to do the PR not a so called "president'
And Tork left why?....... we know that answer.
I've played just about all 3000ad games, quite familiar with Derek Smart and his methods.
Your experiences are however quite alarming, and I can only sympathise with how you feel. I'm sure most of us here have been a part of great communities over the years which have changed or been erroded through a variety of reasons, and the experience is never a happy one.
However, your post right there is exemplary, you have reached out with your views and achieved understanding from another with them. Posts like that, concerning Alganon, Derek Smart and recent developments are few and far between here.
Instead we have seen page upon page of vitriol and abuse. As for PR, I like Derek's approach to be frank, always have, so wont get into a discussion where I am defending him over any wrongdoings, perceived or otherwise, but stand by my opinion that I would prefer his involvement in the community any day over some hired PR spin doctor to regurgitate the same old company line over and over
Hi there Mr. One Post Wonder,
I'd just like to suggest you learn the meanings behind words before using them. Noone here has "slandered" anyone since noone here is speaking, we're typing. The word you're desperately searching for is "libel", and noone here has committed libel either, outside of Mr. Smart himself who comes pretty damn close everytime. As far as scapegoating, Smart himself seems to be the biggest user of scapegoating tactics I've seen in a very long time. Everything is someone else's fault.
Also," for every Derek Smart, 10 developers look at how you treat him and see clearly it really wouldn't be worth the bother", you're wrong. Those developers ( the intelligent ones anyway ) all look at Smart's history and think the same as we do.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Hi
That I've never seen purpose in adding my opinion to any thread here before means what?
Slander is only defined as oral in terms of legal documentation. The word, by definition in the language of english language outside of legal jargon, is any statement deemed malicious and defamatory.
Thank you for attacking my differing opinion in such a churlish fashion, you have proven my point.
"I've played just about all 3000ad games, quite familiar with Derek Smart and his methods"
^
You sir or madame are leaps and bounds being a true gamer more then I am. And I truly do mean that.
"Curtsies"
Edit: Sorry it was supposed to be worded as a compliment not as a poke.
First, professionals in what ever market sector do NOT(publically...) deal with their *customers* in the fashion that Mr Smart did, in terms of the Alganon community. It was a constant stream of threats, insults and other antics. He has a LONG history of such antics. Second, it was not only counter productive, but uncalled for. If he had kept a professional attitude, while still stating his opinions, he wouldn't have managed to almost single handedly destroy Alganons community.
Finally, one can be honest and direct without using threats and insults. Attempts to rewrite history at this late date are rather pointless. The damage has already been done, and most of the old community have left for other games. Its a shame, as with the old community intact, the game would have had more of a chance of having some limited success as a nich game.
3000ad is Derek Smart's company. You said I should research him, I was only informing you I have had many dealings with Mr Smart and his products.
No matter.
My previous stance, to not involve myself with these boards and merely observe matters, has proven to be the wiser.
Regards and no ill will intended
This is way I see it I am enjoying the game I will continue to play it really makes no difference to me or not what others think I won't try to convince them to change there mind.There is a trial anyone who wants to give it a go they can if it isn't for them then no one is saying you must play it.I have played most all the pay to play mmogs and alot of the free to play though I usually stay clear of them as they suck.
Whoeevr the people are hwo keep sayin guild wars give me a break that game sucks talk about linear and being forced along a path I still dunno why ppl think Guild wars is good imo and only mine Alaganon is 1000x better than guild wars,Imop it is better than Warhammer Online,and quite a few others.I like Derek from, what i have seen he is no nonsense that rubs people the wrong way he defends himself and what he is doing nothing wrong with taking pride in your work if you work a 9-5 job and someone was constantly bashing what you do or what your trying to do day in day out I am willing to bet you would finally get fed up and say something also.I don't have to agree with any dev to play there game I sure don't agree with turn Blizzard has taken lately with there 25 usd mounts and other things all the while draggin there ass on content and what lil they do make they are making me pay for along with the monthly fee,TO each there own I really think if some of you would have a open mind play the game and actually give it a good try you might be surprised you like it.
Woah i think 2.0 brought a totally new game, alganon is a sandbox now? No linear progression? no quests to follow in a certain zone? i think we may have underestimated derek after all.
Sorry for the sarcasm but really? Guild wars is ALOT more open then alganon in terms of what you want to do and has a ton more content, you cant even compare the two man.