Now we're back to the end all be all excuse why people don't like the game or aren't having fun.
a. you're doing it wrong
b. you're dumb and can't understand the greater schemes and systems of the game
All this has been said before. This one guys opinion isn't going to change anything about the game. This guy is just having the same feelings that most other people have that play. After trying the game for a few weeks and finding out how it all works and what kind of activities and people you deal with, you have to force yourself to keep playing it while pursuing that ever evading possibility at the end that it might be fun someday. Pretty much exactly what people get called troll for heh. You'll soon feel like calling this guy troll if he keeps telling the truth about the game no doubt.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized" "The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
EVE in not the type of game that tries to be fun for you. The fun part of EVE I think is when you get to the end and you look back at all the hardship you went through.
Almost right. You look back and wonder why the hell you just spent that much of your life on something that made you miserable and "in a funk" for so long. Shoot rocks or shoot guys shooting rocks. Lots and lots of week 5's in the future.
Yeah being successful at something easy is always allot more rewarding than something challenging.......errrr : /
Now we're back to the end all be all excuse why people don't like the game or aren't having fun.
a. you're doing it wrong
b. you're dumb and can't understand the greater schemes and systems of the game
All this has been said before. This one guys opinion isn't going to change anything about the game. This guy is just having the same feelings that most other people have that play. After trying the game for a few weeks and finding out how it all works and what kind of activities and people you deal with, you have to force yourself to keep playing it while pursuing that ever evading possibility at the end that it might be fun someday. Pretty much exactly what people get called troll for heh. You'll soon feel like calling this guy troll if he keeps telling the truth about the game no doubt.
Nice try at spin here but again you fail. I destroyed all your lies and now you try and re-direct your argument.
I am saying YOU are doing it wrong and YOU are dumb.
There are indeed legitimate reasons to not like Eve, there is a reason it is a niche market game after all. Quit trolling and posting lies to desuade people from trying the game out for themselves.
I really would think about ninja salvaging level 4 mission runners. It's allot more money and fun than can flipping. It should keep you in plenty of frigs and cruisers. After that, Faction warfare, Red vs Blue, or EVE uni are all good options. You are right to think you need to break away from the normal. One good way to find friends is to just check out the younger player all around you. If you find some that are in a situation you would like to be in, talk to them and see if you can join them. You have to find a group of players like yourself and earn their trust. There really isn't anything more important in EVE!
EVE in not the type of game that tries to be fun for you. The fun part of EVE I think is when you get to the end and you look back at all the hardship you went through.
Almost right. You look back and wonder why the hell you just spent that much of your life on something that made you miserable and "in a funk" for so long. Shoot rocks or shoot guys shooting rocks. Lots and lots of week 5's in the future.
Yeah being successful at something easy is always allot more rewarding than something challenging.......errrr : /
PS: What are these rocks of which you speak LOL
There is nothing challenging about selecting the skill you want to learn and hitting a button. Then you log out or shoot rocks till that skill is done baking. Then you select another skill which takes longer real time and so on and so forth. You don't even have to use the skills to advance your character, you can just sit there till ding time. The only limit is cash and the vast majority are forced to shoot rocks for it. That's why the bot mining problem exists.
You basically have to do nothing in eve to advance besides keep paying the subscription. Which is exactly my point. I don't understand why fanbois claim the game is so hard to understand. It's simple to understand. It's just bloated with useless skills and convoluted game mechanics that are designed to be time sinks to keep you paying the subscription. Which they do nicely. The rest of the time people are playing cowboys and indians which is fine, it's just a waste of time and effort getting to that point for so little payoff.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized" "The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
Trolling or not, fun or not, EverQuest or WoW or whatever, I think that's all beside the point. What was it our parents used to tell "us" when we were acting like spoiled brats and wanted to have or do something RIGHT NOW! ??? huh? Sure, they'd so NO but, more importantly it would be like...."where's the fire?" In otherwords, this guy is acting like he has to have it all, king of the hill, the grand prize trophy, etc.....within 8 weeks. It's not gonna happen, you're not going to be "led by the hand" to the next level. And no one should make it a bad thing if you "play" in the sand-box by yourself - one person is just as capable of making a sand castle on the beach, as five people...right? Sure, there's the "fun" thing in doing stuff with others - alright, that's cool, but some people do just fine on their own - they're not outcasts or misfits, just because they can get along just fine by themselves when others can't seem to do anything unless they're with someone. I've been playing EVE for nearly two years and have yet to join a Corp.....and you know what? I haven't felt a need for it yet - I got plenty to do in keeping my skills going so that one day, when I finally feel that I'm ready to hold my own in battle, I can contribute as a viable Corp. member. Until then, I'm perfectly happy doing missions, mining rocks, exploring, making stuff and selling it on the market, whatever...I'm not gonna cry because no one want to let me in their "club"....hahaha.... (just a bit of humor there, don't go ballistic on me).
EVE is an open-ended game...while you may want to start on a path to progressing into something or some kind of career field, there is no "end" (at least not one that the developers have made known to us). So what if you have five weeks of "no thrills" - it's no biggie - relax, chill-out, run a skill book, take a break and play another game while your character is boning up on the next skill level. Right guys? In many ways, it's just like real life.....do we all have a mind-boggling, fun-packed, super-special day, EVERYDAY? Hell no....we just muddle along, day in and day out, until another "fun day" just happens to come by. So, not to take sides with the supposed-troller, I would agree with his comment that there will probably be more "week 5's" in the future.....sure......we all know that.
EVE in not the type of game that tries to be fun for you. The fun part of EVE I think is when you get to the end and you look back at all the hardship you went through.
Almost right. You look back and wonder why the hell you just spent that much of your life on something that made you miserable and "in a funk" for so long. Shoot rocks or shoot guys shooting rocks. Lots and lots of week 5's in the future.
Yeah being successful at something easy is always allot more rewarding than something challenging.......errrr : /
PS: What are these rocks of which you speak LOL
You basically have to do nothing in eve to advance besides keep paying the subscription.
What you have to do to advance in combat (Just one area of the game BTW), is earn the trust and friendship of others and learn to fly about 20 different ships in 100 different situations. It is not easy but it is very rewarding.
Skilled pilots do amazing things in this game every weak, but yeah without skilled pilots willing to take chances it probably would be a pretty boring game. This game is about the person, not your character. How long does it take to get to that level? 9 to 12 months top, and there are plenty of game mechanics using assualt frigs and stealth bombers until you get to that level : P
You can have a total blast in this game, but not without a great deal of effort.
PS: I've played a while your comments on minning and bot's are just BS.......Period!
EVE in not the type of game that tries to be fun for you. The fun part of EVE I think is when you get to the end and you look back at all the hardship you went through.
Almost right. You look back and wonder why the hell you just spent that much of your life on something that made you miserable and "in a funk" for so long. Shoot rocks or shoot guys shooting rocks. Lots and lots of week 5's in the future.
Yeah being successful at something easy is always allot more rewarding than something challenging.......errrr : /
PS: What are these rocks of which you speak LOL
There is nothing challenging about selecting the skill you want to learn and hitting a button. Then you log out or shoot rocks till that skill is done baking. Then you select another skill which takes longer real time and so on and so forth. You don't even have to use the skills to advance your character, you can just sit there till ding time. The only limit is cash and the vast majority are forced to shoot rocks for it. That's why the bot mining problem exists.
And this is why you are doing it wrong. You think the challenge is in progressing your character. Actually bot mining isn't as big of a problem as bot ratting. Besides if you think mining is the way to make money you are again doing it wrong, mining is in fact one of the worst ways because of all the minerals you get from refining rat loot which is why the npc loot nerf coming in the next patch.
You basically have to do nothing in eve to advance besides keep paying the subscription. Which is exactly my point. I don't understand why fanbois claim the game is so hard to understand. It's simple to understand. It's just bloated with useless skills and convoluted game mechanics that are designed to be time sinks to keep you paying the subscription. Which they do nicely. The rest of the time people are playing cowboys and indians which is fine, it's just a waste of time and effort getting to that point for so little payoff.
Please go back a re read why I am a fanboi and all you just said here will maybe make more sense to you (maybe). You want everything spoon fed and handed to you, this game is not for you. This does not make the game bad, it's just not for you, get over it and move on. Its ok we wont miss you.
EVE in not the type of game that tries to be fun for you. The fun part of EVE I think is when you get to the end and you look back at all the hardship you went through.
Almost right. You look back and wonder why the hell you just spent that much of your life on something that made you miserable and "in a funk" for so long. Shoot rocks or shoot guys shooting rocks. Lots and lots of week 5's in the future.
Ahh, another person who has absolutely no idea what they're talking about with a personal vendetta on a game that is obviously too complex for them to grasp.
That's never been seen before!
Well he kind of does know what he is talking about. He is talking about his experience of the game. He may have a negative viewpoint on the game and that might rub EVE fans up the wrong way but it doesnt mean he is stupid for "not getting it". After all there are LOTS of people who have had exactly the same experience with EVE and I dont think its because all of them are thick. The Survivor Guy is having a hard time finding a purpose in the game that makes him feel interested and he doesnt come across to me as being unintelligent either.
I ended up quitting the game too after about 2 months......although actually I was only really playing it for the first month. After that month I just couldnt see any purpose in flying around space any more, looking for ways to make money and....just....progress for the sake of progress. I do respect the game though and its high level of complexity. I wish there were more mmos with the same level of attention to detail. I really enjoyed reading articles about corporations waging war on each other and all the dastardly exploits that the players got up to. I just never encountered any of it myself.......mainly because of the way I am as a person I guess.
I can totally relate to The Survivor Guy and his stance on how he approaches corporations and socialising in the game. I prefer to roll with situations that occur around me rather than directly going out of my way to seek drama. Thats how I generally am in real life and so that was how I "roleplayed" in EVE. He seems to be the same. The problem with that approach is that nothing really seemed to ever happen in EVE at all unless you go out of your way to make it happen. If you dont stick your nose into others peoples business and try and force yourself into other peoples virtual lives then you are generally just doomed to float around the void making money, training skills and getting bored. This was why I figured that the game just wasnt very suitable for me. I liked the idea of being a pilot in a virtual space game but the reality of it just seemed to be too elusive for me.
The problem I found with EVE is that it seemed very "faceless" to me. I have never liked joining some faceless guild for no particular reason and I dont like just randomly attacking other players unless there is some purpose behind it. I was faced with this big empty void of space and the idea that somewhere out there something interesting was probably happening.....somewhere. Like I said the game just wasnt particularly well suited to me I guess and I get the impression that it isnt gonna gel very well with The Survivor Guy either.....although he may have a break through at some point. It just seems like a hell of a lot of effort to go through simply to get some enjoyment out of a game.
So yeah I kind of have the same opinion as Choujiofkono although I certainly dont hate EVE simply because I personally couldnt find any point in playing it. Ultimately there isnt any particular point to playing EVE. Its just a virtual space to exist in and interact with others by getting involved in the activities that the game provides you with......such as mining ore, making things, trading stuff, shooting things or whatever. Its a bit like real life I guess.....well.....a limited version of real life anyway. Afterall there isnt any particular purpose to that either. You learn skills, make money, walk around, talk to people etc etc. You make up your own goals. What caused me to stop subbing to the game though was that I find real life more interesting and rewarding. I play games for a bit of escapism when I feel a bit pressured by real life issues (which is often lol). I could either spend lots and lots of time roaming around a virtual space looking for something to enjoy or simply load up another game where I dont have to go searching for it so I did the latter. Thats just a personal preference though. EVE was an interesting experience for that first month though.
EVE in not the type of game that tries to be fun for you. The fun part of EVE I think is when you get to the end and you look back at all the hardship you went through.
Almost right. You look back and wonder why the hell you just spent that much of your life on something that made you miserable and "in a funk" for so long. Shoot rocks or shoot guys shooting rocks. Lots and lots of week 5's in the future.
Ahh, another person who has absolutely no idea what they're talking about with a personal vendetta on a game that is obviously too complex for them to grasp.
That's never been seen before!
Well he kind of does know what he is talking about. He is talking about his experience of the game. He may have a negative viewpoint on the game and that might rub EVE fans up the wrong way but it doesnt mean he is stupid for "not getting it". After all there are LOTS of people who have had exactly the same experience with EVE and I dont think its because all of them are thick. The Survivor Guy is having a hard time finding a purpose in the game that makes him feel interested and he doesnt come across to me as being unintelligent either.
Everyone or most everyone does have this experience, I know I had it back in beta as well when I did do mining. No one is calling the writer of this article stupid or thick or is saying he is not getting it, we're just saying that about Choujio because of his blatent lies about "having to shoot rocks". I think it is because of the massive learning curve of Eve that everyone has this "hit a wall" feeling, especially if they are used to the theme park mmos that hold your hand and guide you through everything you are supposed to do as set out by the devs.
I ended up quitting the game too after about 2 months......although actually I was only really playing it for the first month. After that month I just couldnt see any purpose in flying around space any more, looking for ways to make money and....just....progress for the sake of progress. I do respect the game though and its high level of complexity. I wish there were more mmos with the same level of attention to detail. I really enjoyed reading articles about corporations waging war on each other and all the dastardly exploits that the players got up to. I just never encountered any of it myself.......mainly because of the way I am as a person I guess.
I think you just hit that wall and instead of climbing over it, going around it or looking for the door you just said "fuck it" and left. Many people do this, some never come back and some do come back and leave again to come back again and then they find a way past that wall. Atleast you have a respect for the game and can see why people do like it though.
I can totally relate to The Survivor Guy and his stance on how he approaches corporations and socialising in the game. I prefer to roll with situations that occur around me rather than directly going out of my way to seek drama. Thats how I generally am in real life and so that was how I "roleplayed" in EVE. He seems to be the same. The problem with that approach is that nothing really seemed to ever happen in EVE at all unless you go out of your way to make it happen. If you dont stick your nose into others peoples business and try and force yourself into other peoples virtual lives then you are generally just doomed to float around the void making money, training skills and getting bored. This was why I figured that the game just wasnt very suitable for me. I liked the idea of being a pilot in a virtual space game but the reality of it just seemed to be too elusive for me.
I agree with what you are saying here, the difference for me though I kept coming back to the game even after taking some short breaks because after "getting" Eve other mmos just felt so hollow to me.
The problem I found with EVE is that it seemed very "faceless" to me. I have never liked joining some faceless guild for no particular reason and I dont like just randomly attacking other players unless there is some purpose behind it. I was faced with this big empty void of space and the idea that somewhere out there something interesting was probably happening.....somewhere. Like I said the game just wasnt particularly well suited to me I guess and I get the impression that it isnt gonna gel very well with The Survivor Guy either.....although he may have a break through at some point. It just seems like a hell of a lot of effort to go through simply to get some enjoyment out of a game.
There is effort, I won't disagree. This though is what makes the game so rewarding. I think the Survivor Guy will have a break through, I can see it happening already with his little ore stealing excursion.
So yeah I kind of have the same opinion as Choujiofkono although I certainly dont hate EVE simply because I personally couldnt find any point in playing it. Ultimately there isnt any particular point to playing EVE. Its just a virtual space to exist in and interact with others by getting involved in the activities that the game provides you with......such as mining ore, making things, trading stuff, shooting things or whatever. Its a bit like real life I guess.....well.....a limited version of real life anyway. Afterall there isnt any particular purpose to that either. You learn skills, make money, walk around, talk to people etc etc. You make up your own goals. What caused me to stop subbing to the game though was that I find real life more interesting and rewarding. I play games for a bit of escapism when I feel a bit pressured by real life issues (which is often lol). I could either spend lots and lots of time roaming around a virtual space looking for something to enjoy or simply load up another game where I dont have to go searching for it so I did the latter. Thats just a personal preference though. EVE was an interesting experience for that first month though.
If by "point to Eve" you mean no obvious clear cut goals such as obtaining the next level of gear to progress to the next level of gear then yeah there is no point but that is not Eve. I highlighted the important part in what you said in green, this is the point of Eve, it's a sandbox. CCP has always said they just make the world and tools and let the players make their own fun. While Eve does have lore and backstory the most entertaining and intriguing stories are the ones created by the players over the years because of Eves single shard. Go look up the Guiding Hand Social Club, M0o , BoB or Goonswarm and these are just a tiny fraction of the stories in Eve created by the players in game.
It is near impossible to describe Eve and why it is so good to anyone out there but it is so easy for people to shit all over it when they just don't understand it. I am not saying you are shitting on Eve at all, in fact you actually have given a very well thought out and presented reason why Eve didn't work for you personally and you understand that. There is a huge difference between "meh, i just don't like the game, it doesn't suit me" and "Eve sucks, all you do is shoot rocks and wait for skills to train for a year before you can pvp" It's those people that just spew lies and bullshit to desuade others from even trying the game is when Eve fanbois such as myself get so uppity and defensive.
Like I said before, everyone or near everyone who has played Eve has hit that wall at some point but does that not happen in any other game ? While I have played Eve since '03 I have taken several breaks from it to go play WoW with friends because that was what they were playing and I wanted to play with them. I have tried WAR, AoC and many other mmos over the years but here is the major difference, each time I left Eve I never left with the attitude of never coming back. Every time I left I knew I would be back, every time I left each and every other game I felt angry at the game for being so damn hollow and flat. Whenever I got bored in Eve I always knew it was because of me, I was in the wrong corp for me at the time or I just didn't know what I felt like doing in the game at the time.
To paraphrase quote the devs "Eve wasn't designed to mimic a dark and scary place, it is a dark and scary place" and it is this design philosophy that keeps Eve from being just another mmo in the pile of failures that are the EQ / WoW clones.
Why not just report the troll instead of going back and forth for 30 posts?
Anyway.
The Op's "Survival" isnt really survival at all. He's just trying to last the eight weeks without uninstalling.
He's been given terrible advice and is waiting for a corp thats super busy 23/7 (Eve uni).
Hes taken no chances and hasent focused in any area at all.
A five week old player in a Dessy, hauler and retriever? What does this guy have to offer anyone? Other than some conversation in chat?
You would think with all his reading he would have atleast tried to focus train and gotten a feel for the advanced basics.
The so called "Filler" is Eve! Players spent their time completing small tasks ultimately achieveing a "over the long haul" goal.
I honestly dont think this guy is going to make it, his constant jabber of "progression" and how he thinks a corp is going to give him something will ultimately be his undoing.
Still doesn't change the fact you are a troll and a liar.
Everyone that voices dissent on this game is lableled a troll or a liar. People that defend the game and ignore it's glaring faults are labeled as fanbois.
It's never going to change so lets skip the drama and just let people know the nuts and bolts of the game. For every post that's made claiming this game is a "good game" there is going to be an answer to that post saying how much the game is a "bad game".
these are not lies
a. takes forever to do any serious pvp (questionable if this is even worth doing)
b. almost impossible to play the game without shooting rocks (the vast majority either shoot rocks for their cash or "bot" mine which is just stupid.) There are countless posts on the official site which cleary point this out.
c. missions in eve are boring and drain your soul from your body after you spend the time jumping
Since this is the information i give people when they ask about the game it neither makes me a troll or a liar. Just becuase someone doesn't like the game doesn't make them a troll. A troll has nothing of value to add to the post. Helping new players avoid a craptastic game is of huge value to people that don't want to waste the money = everyone.
You havent played EVE mush have you?? If you had you would know that statment a,b and c are not necessary to play the game...
EvE has one of the most indepth crafting systems in the MMO industry today, also probing and scanning,,, WH exploration, trading and Piracy can easily bring in the ISK you need to survive in the game. Drug/booster manafacturing and other side operations like Reserch agents and data core collecting can earn you ISK without you even lifting a finger...
You just sound ingnorant and dumb if you throw out fals statments and say they are facts... dont be afraid of what you dont understand that is what leads to prejudice and hate... and you dont want to be a bigot now do you??
EVE in not the type of game that tries to be fun for you. The fun part of EVE I think is when you get to the end and you look back at all the hardship you went through.
Almost right. You look back and wonder why the hell you just spent that much of your life on something that made you miserable and "in a funk" for so long. Shoot rocks or shoot guys shooting rocks. Lots and lots of week 5's in the future.
Yeah being successful at something easy is always allot more rewarding than something challenging.......errrr : /
PS: What are these rocks of which you speak LOL
There is nothing challenging about selecting the skill you want to learn and hitting a button. Then you log out or shoot rocks till that skill is done baking. Then you select another skill which takes longer real time and so on and so forth. You don't even have to use the skills to advance your character, you can just sit there till ding time. The only limit is cash and the vast majority are forced to shoot rocks for it. That's why the bot mining problem exists.
You basically have to do nothing in eve to advance besides keep paying the subscription. Which is exactly my point. I don't understand why fanbois claim the game is so hard to understand. It's simple to understand. It's just bloated with useless skills and convoluted game mechanics that are designed to be time sinks to keep you paying the subscription. As many of us play for free I dont see your point. Which they do nicely. The rest of the time people are playing cowboys and indians which is fine, it's just a waste of time and effort getting to that point for so little payoff.
Again you ignorance shines like a beacon in the sky. YOU DO KNOW THAT YOU CAN PLAY EVE FOR FREE WITH THE ISK YOU EARN INGAME?? Dont coment on things you dont understand again in makes you look dumb...
By now most people are wanting to make large quantities of ISK in order to pay for their account, going through the levels of mission agents, amassing loyalty points to buy those tasty faction items that make even more money.
Anyone who plays Eve and doesnt want to make ISK is a bit retarted.
'Eves learning curve' isnt actually all that steep, it just requires a totally different mindset to someone used to standard MMO methodologies and practices.
In almost all other MMO's the player is led from A to B, then to C, then to D they might later get the choice between moving from M to N or O, but N and O both converge on P. In eve the developer led content alphabet stops at A.
In almost all other MMO's character development is accomplished by doing things to earn XP, in Eve doing things just gets you 'stuff'.
These are the areas where people "Don't get Eve" ... this doesnt make people stupid, or noobs, they are just outside thier 'gaming comfort zone' and some take the time needed to adapt, some don't ...
Hey if you know how to join channels I would advice you to join this chat channel; "The Ale house". Join it and pop in your audio ask questions and just plain chat with them and they are very helpful. When you have these guys on audio, trust me you won't need a corp. They also have some group roaming events sometimes so stick with them long enough and you will definitely start enjoying eve.
I like EVE, love what EVE represents, and I certainly get it. The problem with eve for me, is that I don't have the time to devote to it that it needs. People in major corps dont want to be your friend for the sake of being your friend, they want you for what you are worth. Just like a real life corp.
While I understand that, it made it very hard to make friends with anyone when I can play maybe 5 hours a week. With more casual games I made loads of friends, so while I know this is a great game, I also know its not for me simply because I have a hard time finding where I belong, socially speaking.
So...to those more invested in EVE, have any of you had success with such a minimal playtime?
I like EVE, love what EVE represents, and I certainly get it. The problem with eve for me, is that I don't have the time to devote to it that it needs. People in major corps dont want to be your friend for the sake of being your friend, they want you for what you are worth. Just like a real life corp.
While I understand that, it made it very hard to make friends with anyone when I can play maybe 5 hours a week. With more casual games I made loads of friends, so while I know this is a great game, I also know its not for me simply because I have a hard time finding where I belong, socially speaking.
So...to those more invested in EVE, have any of you had success with such a minimal playtime?
For me, I have two kids who significantly limit my play time (not that I would have it any other way). I play with a couple RL friends mostly and we aren't that involved in Wars or lowsec/nullsec encounters right now, That said, we do have a lot of fun just doing some missions, going on mining ops, or exploring. We run our own little corp as well which, even though it is just us, has been neat to see how that all works (speaking about mechanics and such).
I'd say the game caters to my minimal playtime as I still advance my skills despite not being able to spend a lot of time taking part in the activities the game offers. This contrasts to my "pre-kids" time where I could be more involved with wardecs and lowsec activities. I guess either way, I've felt like the game has been fun and that I wasn't "missing out" or anything like that.
Hope that answers your question instead of just comin across as a ramble..
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
I have 2 kids myself with limited playing time. Found a small but active corp that has been a good fit. Eve though is hard to get immediate enjoyment out of. Most activities take some time to get going and feel like you accomplished something. So I saught out longer term goals and found ways to get a larger chunk of gaming time in (wake up early saturday morning while everyone sleeps :P)
I wanted to get a pos up and anchor it in low sec to mess with reactions. Next thing you know im training to a transport ship for moving stuff in low sec, our corp is working together alot to build a jump freighter, learning the ropes of low sec, diving more into exploration for isk instead of missions.
With 5 hours of game time a week I would think your eve life would be better in an active indy corp. Mining you can do on days you gotta be semi afk. And the manufacturing you can easily log in, tinker with, then log off. For your longer play sessions knock out some missions with the corp or do a mining op or learn exploration.
While 5 hours a week in a game like lotro or wow you will have more immediate fun, your progression will always be limited by the time you play. So a few months in and your still a lower level doing quest. I've been there too and had fun but I really like how in Eve my character is always progressing no matter my schedule. And when I have gaming time I can log in and go out accomplishing whatever goals I have atm.
EVE throws out a challenge to players from the first moment you enter the game and continues that challenge throughout the player's entire game life. That challenge is thus...
Here is a massive online enviroment, populated by tens of thousands of other players all within the same 'space and time' as you. There are no hard and fast rules to guide you besides the basic foundations and mechanics of the game-world itself. Using the tools that we have provided, it is up to you to claw out your niche in the game, whatever that may be. Your degree of success or failure is completely in your hands and limited only by your imagination.
That challenge is why people either love EVE or hate it. It is why so many new players struggle so much in their first few weeks after they have finished the tutorials because those helpful tutorials are actually the only part of EVE that takes you by the hand and guides you. In a sense, the tutorials are EVE's link to your standard MMOs - they are a guided path with rewards and a false sense of 'advancing' your character.
Once that guided script is finished, the player is left with the challenge put forth by the game itself. If they have not recognized that challenge, or have but are not the type of individual that sees such a challenge as fun in and of itself, they will untimately get bored and simply leave, or attempt to find a non-existent course through EVE to that 'endgame' that they are so familiar with in other MMOs. Mining being the easiest and most accessable element of the game, and mission running, appearing to be the most obvious 'path', are where this latter group quickly gravitates toward, until they get even more bored and 'disillusioned' and end up leaving and hating the game.
Those who see the challenge and accept it (and see the fun in the challenge itself) will begin to explore the possibilities and ultimately find the correct tools and elements of the game that best suits their individual personalities. Regardless of how successful they become in the overall picture of the gameworld, they will enjoy the game despite those inevitable periods that every player experiences - hitting a wall of one sort or another, because they understand that the challenge is the basis for having fun in EVE's New Eden.
The Survivor Guy hasn't come to this realization yet, although he has nipped at the edges of it with his forays into piracy. It will be interesting to see if the light bulb lights up before the end of the eight weeks.
some time ago I jumped in to low sec, accidentally, and I came across a angel pirate battleship floating around the gate, I whas flying a cruiser, thinking that I hit the jackpot, because he whas having a colossal bounti, I engaged, and... in the next second I whas like "wtf... how did I get in a station?" (it whas a human pirate in a Machariel BS...). In the next year after this event, I lost about 50 ships, I have experienced the "I win" button few times, and eventually I rage quit... and I returned to eve as a silly carebear (I'm bankrupt), afterall, EVE is that sandbox in which you where playing when you were a kid, doing sand... stuff with some friends, or that sandbox full with worms and bugsm front wich you where running away, or that boring sandbox because you did not have any friends to play with... (sorry for this silly post, I am terribly bored at work watching a spreadsheet, no, is not eve)
I've been playing eve for over a year now and I think the writer’s goal to enter a player corp. at week five is a bit premature. I think it was nearly 3 months before I found a good fit. This fit was a 0.0 corp. that was part of a larger now defunct alliance (we were crushed in the war between NC and SC *see the current eve news for more details).
Now I'm a solo miner/industrialist in a small corp. that allows for maximum freedom. I have about a billion Isk in the wallet at all times and a nice fat freighter I love to fly (it moves the battleships and t2 ammo I make for the market of PvP players).
The massive scale and freedom this game provides allows for the ability to really explore many MANY different avenues. I started as a Miner, once I had a big fat wallet I switched paths to PvP (this I enjoyed immensely).
After my alliance was disbanded I moved away from PvP and on to production... I mined again but added a new set of skills to my hand: Production and Research now I make Blue Prints and use those combined with the treasures I mine, allow me to produce items for the marketplace.
My next goal is to amass a wealth of planets under my thumb and grow my wallet to the 10+ Billion mark. Who knows maybe you will see my flying around in a Titan some day!
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Now we're back to the end all be all excuse why people don't like the game or aren't having fun.
a. you're doing it wrong
b. you're dumb and can't understand the greater schemes and systems of the game
All this has been said before. This one guys opinion isn't going to change anything about the game. This guy is just having the same feelings that most other people have that play. After trying the game for a few weeks and finding out how it all works and what kind of activities and people you deal with, you have to force yourself to keep playing it while pursuing that ever evading possibility at the end that it might be fun someday. Pretty much exactly what people get called troll for heh. You'll soon feel like calling this guy troll if he keeps telling the truth about the game no doubt.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
Yeah being successful at something easy is always allot more rewarding than something challenging.......errrr : /
PS: What are these rocks of which you speak LOL
Nice try at spin here but again you fail. I destroyed all your lies and now you try and re-direct your argument.
I am saying YOU are doing it wrong and YOU are dumb.
There are indeed legitimate reasons to not like Eve, there is a reason it is a niche market game after all. Quit trolling and posting lies to desuade people from trying the game out for themselves.
To the OP:
I really would think about ninja salvaging level 4 mission runners. It's allot more money and fun than can flipping. It should keep you in plenty of frigs and cruisers. After that, Faction warfare, Red vs Blue, or EVE uni are all good options. You are right to think you need to break away from the normal. One good way to find friends is to just check out the younger player all around you. If you find some that are in a situation you would like to be in, talk to them and see if you can join them. You have to find a group of players like yourself and earn their trust. There really isn't anything more important in EVE!
There is nothing challenging about selecting the skill you want to learn and hitting a button. Then you log out or shoot rocks till that skill is done baking. Then you select another skill which takes longer real time and so on and so forth. You don't even have to use the skills to advance your character, you can just sit there till ding time. The only limit is cash and the vast majority are forced to shoot rocks for it. That's why the bot mining problem exists.
You basically have to do nothing in eve to advance besides keep paying the subscription. Which is exactly my point. I don't understand why fanbois claim the game is so hard to understand. It's simple to understand. It's just bloated with useless skills and convoluted game mechanics that are designed to be time sinks to keep you paying the subscription. Which they do nicely. The rest of the time people are playing cowboys and indians which is fine, it's just a waste of time and effort getting to that point for so little payoff.
"I'm not cheap I'm incredibly subconsciously financially optimized"
"The worst part of censorship is ------------------"
Trolling or not, fun or not, EverQuest or WoW or whatever, I think that's all beside the point. What was it our parents used to tell "us" when we were acting like spoiled brats and wanted to have or do something RIGHT NOW! ??? huh? Sure, they'd so NO but, more importantly it would be like...."where's the fire?" In otherwords, this guy is acting like he has to have it all, king of the hill, the grand prize trophy, etc.....within 8 weeks. It's not gonna happen, you're not going to be "led by the hand" to the next level. And no one should make it a bad thing if you "play" in the sand-box by yourself - one person is just as capable of making a sand castle on the beach, as five people...right? Sure, there's the "fun" thing in doing stuff with others - alright, that's cool, but some people do just fine on their own - they're not outcasts or misfits, just because they can get along just fine by themselves when others can't seem to do anything unless they're with someone. I've been playing EVE for nearly two years and have yet to join a Corp.....and you know what? I haven't felt a need for it yet - I got plenty to do in keeping my skills going so that one day, when I finally feel that I'm ready to hold my own in battle, I can contribute as a viable Corp. member. Until then, I'm perfectly happy doing missions, mining rocks, exploring, making stuff and selling it on the market, whatever...I'm not gonna cry because no one want to let me in their "club"....hahaha.... (just a bit of humor there, don't go ballistic on me).
EVE is an open-ended game...while you may want to start on a path to progressing into something or some kind of career field, there is no "end" (at least not one that the developers have made known to us). So what if you have five weeks of "no thrills" - it's no biggie - relax, chill-out, run a skill book, take a break and play another game while your character is boning up on the next skill level. Right guys? In many ways, it's just like real life.....do we all have a mind-boggling, fun-packed, super-special day, EVERYDAY? Hell no....we just muddle along, day in and day out, until another "fun day" just happens to come by. So, not to take sides with the supposed-troller, I would agree with his comment that there will probably be more "week 5's" in the future.....sure......we all know that.
'Live Long and Prosper"
What you have to do to advance in combat (Just one area of the game BTW), is earn the trust and friendship of others and learn to fly about 20 different ships in 100 different situations. It is not easy but it is very rewarding.
Skilled pilots do amazing things in this game every weak, but yeah without skilled pilots willing to take chances it probably would be a pretty boring game. This game is about the person, not your character. How long does it take to get to that level? 9 to 12 months top, and there are plenty of game mechanics using assualt frigs and stealth bombers until you get to that level : P
You can have a total blast in this game, but not without a great deal of effort.
PS: I've played a while your comments on minning and bot's are just BS.......Period!
Well he kind of does know what he is talking about. He is talking about his experience of the game. He may have a negative viewpoint on the game and that might rub EVE fans up the wrong way but it doesnt mean he is stupid for "not getting it". After all there are LOTS of people who have had exactly the same experience with EVE and I dont think its because all of them are thick. The Survivor Guy is having a hard time finding a purpose in the game that makes him feel interested and he doesnt come across to me as being unintelligent either.
I ended up quitting the game too after about 2 months......although actually I was only really playing it for the first month. After that month I just couldnt see any purpose in flying around space any more, looking for ways to make money and....just....progress for the sake of progress. I do respect the game though and its high level of complexity. I wish there were more mmos with the same level of attention to detail. I really enjoyed reading articles about corporations waging war on each other and all the dastardly exploits that the players got up to. I just never encountered any of it myself.......mainly because of the way I am as a person I guess.
I can totally relate to The Survivor Guy and his stance on how he approaches corporations and socialising in the game. I prefer to roll with situations that occur around me rather than directly going out of my way to seek drama. Thats how I generally am in real life and so that was how I "roleplayed" in EVE. He seems to be the same. The problem with that approach is that nothing really seemed to ever happen in EVE at all unless you go out of your way to make it happen. If you dont stick your nose into others peoples business and try and force yourself into other peoples virtual lives then you are generally just doomed to float around the void making money, training skills and getting bored. This was why I figured that the game just wasnt very suitable for me. I liked the idea of being a pilot in a virtual space game but the reality of it just seemed to be too elusive for me.
The problem I found with EVE is that it seemed very "faceless" to me. I have never liked joining some faceless guild for no particular reason and I dont like just randomly attacking other players unless there is some purpose behind it. I was faced with this big empty void of space and the idea that somewhere out there something interesting was probably happening.....somewhere. Like I said the game just wasnt particularly well suited to me I guess and I get the impression that it isnt gonna gel very well with The Survivor Guy either.....although he may have a break through at some point. It just seems like a hell of a lot of effort to go through simply to get some enjoyment out of a game.
So yeah I kind of have the same opinion as Choujiofkono although I certainly dont hate EVE simply because I personally couldnt find any point in playing it. Ultimately there isnt any particular point to playing EVE. Its just a virtual space to exist in and interact with others by getting involved in the activities that the game provides you with......such as mining ore, making things, trading stuff, shooting things or whatever. Its a bit like real life I guess.....well.....a limited version of real life anyway. Afterall there isnt any particular purpose to that either. You learn skills, make money, walk around, talk to people etc etc. You make up your own goals. What caused me to stop subbing to the game though was that I find real life more interesting and rewarding. I play games for a bit of escapism when I feel a bit pressured by real life issues (which is often lol). I could either spend lots and lots of time roaming around a virtual space looking for something to enjoy or simply load up another game where I dont have to go searching for it so I did the latter. Thats just a personal preference though. EVE was an interesting experience for that first month though.
It is near impossible to describe Eve and why it is so good to anyone out there but it is so easy for people to shit all over it when they just don't understand it. I am not saying you are shitting on Eve at all, in fact you actually have given a very well thought out and presented reason why Eve didn't work for you personally and you understand that. There is a huge difference between "meh, i just don't like the game, it doesn't suit me" and "Eve sucks, all you do is shoot rocks and wait for skills to train for a year before you can pvp" It's those people that just spew lies and bullshit to desuade others from even trying the game is when Eve fanbois such as myself get so uppity and defensive.
Like I said before, everyone or near everyone who has played Eve has hit that wall at some point but does that not happen in any other game ? While I have played Eve since '03 I have taken several breaks from it to go play WoW with friends because that was what they were playing and I wanted to play with them. I have tried WAR, AoC and many other mmos over the years but here is the major difference, each time I left Eve I never left with the attitude of never coming back. Every time I left I knew I would be back, every time I left each and every other game I felt angry at the game for being so damn hollow and flat. Whenever I got bored in Eve I always knew it was because of me, I was in the wrong corp for me at the time or I just didn't know what I felt like doing in the game at the time.
To paraphrase quote the devs "Eve wasn't designed to mimic a dark and scary place, it is a dark and scary place" and it is this design philosophy that keeps Eve from being just another mmo in the pile of failures that are the EQ / WoW clones.
Why not just report the troll instead of going back and forth for 30 posts?
Anyway.
The Op's "Survival" isnt really survival at all. He's just trying to last the eight weeks without uninstalling.
He's been given terrible advice and is waiting for a corp thats super busy 23/7 (Eve uni).
Hes taken no chances and hasent focused in any area at all.
A five week old player in a Dessy, hauler and retriever? What does this guy have to offer anyone? Other than some conversation in chat?
You would think with all his reading he would have atleast tried to focus train and gotten a feel for the advanced basics.
The so called "Filler" is Eve! Players spent their time completing small tasks ultimately achieveing a "over the long haul" goal.
I honestly dont think this guy is going to make it, his constant jabber of "progression" and how he thinks a corp is going to give him something will ultimately be his undoing.
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Waiting on: GW2, BP
You havent played EVE mush have you?? If you had you would know that statment a,b and c are not necessary to play the game...
EvE has one of the most indepth crafting systems in the MMO industry today, also probing and scanning,,, WH exploration, trading and Piracy can easily bring in the ISK you need to survive in the game. Drug/booster manafacturing and other side operations like Reserch agents and data core collecting can earn you ISK without you even lifting a finger...
You just sound ingnorant and dumb if you throw out fals statments and say they are facts... dont be afraid of what you dont understand that is what leads to prejudice and hate... and you dont want to be a bigot now do you??
Again you ignorance shines like a beacon in the sky. YOU DO KNOW THAT YOU CAN PLAY EVE FOR FREE WITH THE ISK YOU EARN INGAME?? Dont coment on things you dont understand again in makes you look dumb...
By now most people are wanting to make large quantities of ISK in order to pay for their account, going through the levels of mission agents, amassing loyalty points to buy those tasty faction items that make even more money.
Anyone who plays Eve and doesnt want to make ISK is a bit retarted.
Reading between the lines of what the OP is saying-is he getting bored with the game?
'Eves learning curve' isnt actually all that steep, it just requires a totally different mindset to someone used to standard MMO methodologies and practices.
In almost all other MMO's the player is led from A to B, then to C, then to D they might later get the choice between moving from M to N or O, but N and O both converge on P. In eve the developer led content alphabet stops at A.
In almost all other MMO's character development is accomplished by doing things to earn XP, in Eve doing things just gets you 'stuff'.
These are the areas where people "Don't get Eve" ... this doesnt make people stupid, or noobs, they are just outside thier 'gaming comfort zone' and some take the time needed to adapt, some don't ...
lol - of course he is still mining! What freak is still mining after 5 weeks, lol.
I'll bet he's still on level 1 agents and hasnt even begun to think about a cruiser yet....
All these articles are just a guide on how not to play eve.
Hey if you know how to join channels I would advice you to join this chat channel; "The Ale house". Join it and pop in your audio ask questions and just plain chat with them and they are very helpful. When you have these guys on audio, trust me you won't need a corp. They also have some group roaming events sometimes so stick with them long enough and you will definitely start enjoying eve.
This is not a game.
I like EVE, love what EVE represents, and I certainly get it. The problem with eve for me, is that I don't have the time to devote to it that it needs. People in major corps dont want to be your friend for the sake of being your friend, they want you for what you are worth. Just like a real life corp.
While I understand that, it made it very hard to make friends with anyone when I can play maybe 5 hours a week. With more casual games I made loads of friends, so while I know this is a great game, I also know its not for me simply because I have a hard time finding where I belong, socially speaking.
So...to those more invested in EVE, have any of you had success with such a minimal playtime?
For me, I have two kids who significantly limit my play time (not that I would have it any other way). I play with a couple RL friends mostly and we aren't that involved in Wars or lowsec/nullsec encounters right now, That said, we do have a lot of fun just doing some missions, going on mining ops, or exploring. We run our own little corp as well which, even though it is just us, has been neat to see how that all works (speaking about mechanics and such).
I'd say the game caters to my minimal playtime as I still advance my skills despite not being able to spend a lot of time taking part in the activities the game offers. This contrasts to my "pre-kids" time where I could be more involved with wardecs and lowsec activities. I guess either way, I've felt like the game has been fun and that I wasn't "missing out" or anything like that.
Hope that answers your question instead of just comin across as a ramble..
-mklinic
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Do something wrong, no one forgets"
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App'ing to EU is a waiting game from how many recruiters can process your app, to being online when you and they are available.
You don't have to just sit and wait. You can sit in the general EU chat and still learn.
You also will not be allowed to pirate while in EU. Read their rules before joining.
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I have 2 kids myself with limited playing time. Found a small but active corp that has been a good fit. Eve though is hard to get immediate enjoyment out of. Most activities take some time to get going and feel like you accomplished something. So I saught out longer term goals and found ways to get a larger chunk of gaming time in (wake up early saturday morning while everyone sleeps :P)
I wanted to get a pos up and anchor it in low sec to mess with reactions. Next thing you know im training to a transport ship for moving stuff in low sec, our corp is working together alot to build a jump freighter, learning the ropes of low sec, diving more into exploration for isk instead of missions.
With 5 hours of game time a week I would think your eve life would be better in an active indy corp. Mining you can do on days you gotta be semi afk. And the manufacturing you can easily log in, tinker with, then log off. For your longer play sessions knock out some missions with the corp or do a mining op or learn exploration.
While 5 hours a week in a game like lotro or wow you will have more immediate fun, your progression will always be limited by the time you play. So a few months in and your still a lower level doing quest. I've been there too and had fun but I really like how in Eve my character is always progressing no matter my schedule. And when I have gaming time I can log in and go out accomplishing whatever goals I have atm.
EVE throws out a challenge to players from the first moment you enter the game and continues that challenge throughout the player's entire game life. That challenge is thus...
Here is a massive online enviroment, populated by tens of thousands of other players all within the same 'space and time' as you. There are no hard and fast rules to guide you besides the basic foundations and mechanics of the game-world itself. Using the tools that we have provided, it is up to you to claw out your niche in the game, whatever that may be. Your degree of success or failure is completely in your hands and limited only by your imagination.
That challenge is why people either love EVE or hate it. It is why so many new players struggle so much in their first few weeks after they have finished the tutorials because those helpful tutorials are actually the only part of EVE that takes you by the hand and guides you. In a sense, the tutorials are EVE's link to your standard MMOs - they are a guided path with rewards and a false sense of 'advancing' your character.
Once that guided script is finished, the player is left with the challenge put forth by the game itself. If they have not recognized that challenge, or have but are not the type of individual that sees such a challenge as fun in and of itself, they will untimately get bored and simply leave, or attempt to find a non-existent course through EVE to that 'endgame' that they are so familiar with in other MMOs. Mining being the easiest and most accessable element of the game, and mission running, appearing to be the most obvious 'path', are where this latter group quickly gravitates toward, until they get even more bored and 'disillusioned' and end up leaving and hating the game.
Those who see the challenge and accept it (and see the fun in the challenge itself) will begin to explore the possibilities and ultimately find the correct tools and elements of the game that best suits their individual personalities. Regardless of how successful they become in the overall picture of the gameworld, they will enjoy the game despite those inevitable periods that every player experiences - hitting a wall of one sort or another, because they understand that the challenge is the basis for having fun in EVE's New Eden.
The Survivor Guy hasn't come to this realization yet, although he has nipped at the edges of it with his forays into piracy. It will be interesting to see if the light bulb lights up before the end of the eight weeks.
~ Adder ~
Quick, Silent, Deadly
Hello MMORPG/EVE fans,
I've been playing eve for over a year now and I think the writer’s goal to enter a player corp. at week five is a bit premature. I think it was nearly 3 months before I found a good fit. This fit was a 0.0 corp. that was part of a larger now defunct alliance (we were crushed in the war between NC and SC *see the current eve news for more details).
Now I'm a solo miner/industrialist in a small corp. that allows for maximum freedom. I have about a billion Isk in the wallet at all times and a nice fat freighter I love to fly (it moves the battleships and t2 ammo I make for the market of PvP players).
The massive scale and freedom this game provides allows for the ability to really explore many MANY different avenues. I started as a Miner, once I had a big fat wallet I switched paths to PvP (this I enjoyed immensely).
After my alliance was disbanded I moved away from PvP and on to production... I mined again but added a new set of skills to my hand: Production and Research now I make Blue Prints and use those combined with the treasures I mine, allow me to produce items for the marketplace.
My next goal is to amass a wealth of planets under my thumb and grow my wallet to the 10+ Billion mark. Who knows maybe you will see my flying around in a Titan some day!
Fly safe (and smart) o7,
Spliffsan
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