Runescape stays free to play by minimizing costs. Advertisements cost too much to run for too long. Also, being an internet pop-culture icon and having a special place in our middle-school memories, the game pretty much advertises itself.
This is why you don't see as many advertisements for Wal-Mart or WoW. They pretty much advertise themselves, especially when South Park is involved.
Jagex have been advertising to look on Youtube at their links. This is to direct people there to try to hide the heaps of links there that show how people use their botters to do anything and everything. Whats the point of playing if you can even get a botter to do all the quests far more easy than wasting a lot of time doing it yourself. Considering the amount of links to find a botter help on 'Google', it proves that there is very few actual players. This is proven online in RS as nowdays very few actually chat much at all but check here to see some safer botts (pathetic help though) and notice there is even Auto-Talkers; http://www.rs101.info/autobots/ . The main reason this site has safer botts is that they don't want their site closed down at all.
To all those with a good functioning mind: Cancel your membership and stop wasting money.
The program makes sure that those on longer (being botters claiming to be no-lifers) get the better rewards consistantly and your account won't get much at all. Honest players actually get punished in Ratscape and it's recently the worst ever. A few of my friends had high slaying and were aiming to up it a lot, 1 actually got 99, but even then the drops still turned out relatively poor for all that. If you persist then you will only be more and more frustrated so quit now before you become even worse than the orange heating anger here!
Why is it popular, yet so little advertising? Where else is it so easy to leave a botter playing while you go get some keyloggers off MSN, Facebook, etc or what the TV for better fun. Even Minesweeper is really more of a challenge.
Devillicous, could you link that comment of your mates botting well for money to here aswell. That was so good a point to prove how stupid this game has got.
Well, there's even more reason for why so many accounts play yet it's not advertised. As I said above, there's heaps of Auto-Botts and these do vertually all things in the game. Fully bott all the quests, bott all diarys too once they have fully botted all skills. Sites talk about how you can have a lot of botts playing on the same computer so lets underestimate this with 12 accounts botting while they stay on their main account. On the main account it's like the Main account stays talking to the minor people like us genuinely playing and wondering if those loads of accounts getting Rocktails maybe botting. The main account can thus protect his 12 botter accounts fishing rocktails there, i'm sure like here, his mates that he videoed for this http://www.youtube.com/user/sosolid2kk?blend=8&ob=4 actually do the same thing. As a group of them understanding how to make super-macroes, they would easily get all gear they need to PK with the best gear available. All it takes for accounts like this is once they go to sleep, they just Auto-Bott trade as much as possible to the main account. Meanwhile that main account can also bott sales at the GE meaning they vertually control the total game.
The other botts available on sites like RS101 aren't actually that good at all being free as they are to tempt people to buy the proper bott for real cash. Even then those botts won't be as efficient as theirs or else that would mess up their own abilities and that of their mates. Searching for botts to use yourself is a waste of time, considering to be a member all you do is pay so these other full-time bott accounts get a cheap way to cheat so they can have fun with all the gear available while the honest player always ends up with very little at all. The game engine is set to benefit those on the game the longest, thus the bott accounts while those playing part-time aren't given much at all.
Jagex should change it so those on less get random rewards of the stuff left on the ground from this PKing, only rewarded to those never Pking and the chance reducing with time playing. This would be a major deterant to botters and would be the first improvement for honest players. The ONLY way that botters can be stopped is to charge game playing time by the hour instead of an unfair monthly charge - immediately botter accounts would stop due to the massive charge for what some cheats have over 100 botter accounts. This sure will upset those cheats so some may complain on here soon but too bad, cheating is cheating aswell as theft of our money!
The only other option is for all genuine people to quit as soon as possible - save wasting your hard earned cash or that of your decent parents.
Also go to my recent thread in MMORPG Pub discussion to let them know your worst game and developer. Due to the size with all the help sites I believe Runescape has made the worst mess of all.
Also go to my recent thread in MMORPG Pub discussion to let them know your worst game and developer. Due to the size with all the help sites I believe Runescape has made the worst mess of all.
Well since for some reasion you have decided to take some kind of personal crusade ageanst the game, there is really little we can believe from you.
Everyone knows that when someone has some type of personal hate towards a game they will just come up with every type of reasion and lie possible to try and slander the game.
Want to know why runescape does so great without much advertising?
It's because the game is easy to pickup, easy to play, and runs on just about any hardware out there.
Regardless if there are botters, ect. The only people that really bothers are the people that are out to try and prove (somehow) they are better then the other players of said game. That goes for just about any MMORPG out there.. There are bot programs out there for just about every MMO out. Why someone would want to pay for a game not to play it is beyond me.. But I don't let that type of stuff get to me.. Because really at the end of the day, what are you going to be able to do to stop them.. Nothing.
Also go to my recent thread in MMORPG Pub discussion to let them know your worst game and developer. Due to the size with all the help sites I believe Runescape has made the worst mess of all.
Well since for some reasion you have decided to take some kind of personal crusade ageanst the game, there is really little we can believe from you.
Everyone knows that when someone has some type of personal hate towards a game they will just come up with every type of reasion and lie possible to try and slander the game.
Want to know why runescape does so great without much advertising?
It's because the game is easy to pickup, easy to play, and runs on just about any hardware out there.
Regardless if there are botters, ect. The only people that really bothers are the people that are out to try and prove (somehow) they are better then the other players of said game. That goes for just about any MMORPG out there.. There are bot programs out there for just about every MMO out. Why someone would want to pay for a game not to play it is beyond me.. But I don't let that type of stuff get to me.. Because really at the end of the day, what are you going to be able to do to stop them.. Nothing.
Jalice is not the only member here that has had conflict with Jagex, I mean just look around on these forums. You have Former Mods, many high level players, as well as game correspondants for them that have voiced opposition to the way they handle things. Just because someone voices opposition for a game, doesn;t automatically discredit what they have to say. Most of the oposition actually comes from their formerly most diehard fans. I for one USED to defend the game, and have written quite a bit on the potential of the game. It is just sad the direction they chose to take with it when it really didn;t need to be destroyed that way.
Yes, yes there is a way to let them know that players are unhappy with their choices and that is by voicing your concerns, and refusing to pay for a broken game. The reason people pay for a game they do not play is because it is profitable to do so. I can understand how Jagex's turnover system works, but they will not be able to maintain a new flow for as long as they had thought simply because every year there is more competition out there for the new player base.
The best part of the game is being a noob. Noobs of course do not know this and " get" into the game for a bit, setting goals to level their accounts and such. But then it hits them the massive boring grind. They realize that no matter how much they play, it will still take forever to reach those goals. So they opt for alternatives, whether it be botting or they just go buy a fully stocked account and change it's name- they are able to have their goals met without the pain and suffering it takes to do so yourself.
Then they get a high level character and realize the games sucks much worse than it did when they were a noob. Often this results in them just creating a noob to get the " old spark" back or they get angry, protest, rant- because they feel they have an investment in the game, or they just throw it in the gutter and go get another game.
You see, this works well for the 3rd part RMT'rs because they offer account training services and sell fully loaded accounts. So the noobs coming into the game can readily buy what they want in game with real cash and get their goals met immediately. For them it is immediate gratification ( which usually quickly turns into disappointment), and it is profitable for the 3rd party RMT'rs because they can have a quick turnover of accounts being sold if they pay for memebership while training the accounts, due to how much quicker you can train accounts in a membership area vs non.
I also do not understand why people think this game is all that popular anymore, or why they remotely think it is not advertised. I SEE RUNESCAPE ADS EVERYWHERE. Especially game gold sellers for runescape, they do more advertising than Jagex does themselves!
Though, Jagex does advertise- even on THIS site. LOL
Also- Yes you can stop bots, But Jagex would never actually do it. 1.) Block programs from accessing their clients. 2.) THIS 3.) perma ban hard drive IP on those remaining ( No not isp' IP addys- use a simple hard drive detection tool that is loaded at the time you play the game. Many sites use them already.)
Make it so it is not profitable and problem solved. No, this would not fix the broken game mechanics, but it does stop the bots.
Runescape has a lot of reasons. It has to attend to a ton of people so it might not have the time/money it takes to make an advertisement. Where would you make an advertisement for it anyway? Not disney channel thats for sure. Most rpg sites talk about games enough so thats basicaly advertising. Plus with a lot of the pictures of goblins the "kid safety" people woldn't let it go on places where a lot of kids go..........which is what people say the game is aimed at.
Runescape has a lot of reasons. It has to attend to a ton of people so it might not have the time/money it takes to make an advertisement. Where would you make an advertisement for it anyway? Not disney channel thats for sure. Most rpg sites talk about games enough so thats basicaly advertising. Plus with a lot of the pictures of goblins the "kid safety" people woldn't let it go on places where a lot of kids go..........which is what people say the game is aimed at.
* sighs* Why is it you people do not think they advertise? THEY DO! I posted 2 of their ads in the post above yours.
They advertise ON THIS SITE. They advertise On MANY other F2P and MMO sites as well. They have ads on Miniclip which targets children. I have seen many ads. Just because you are not where they are advertising, or are not paying attention does not mean they do not advertise. LOL
Silly people.
JAGEX DOES ADVERTISE! JAGEX
ADVERTISES RUNESCAPE WHERE
KIDS GO!
I have no idea why you don;t seem to understand that they do. LOL
Runescape has a lot of reasons. It has to attend to a ton of people so it might not have the time/money it takes to make an advertisement. Where would you make an advertisement for it anyway? Not disney channel thats for sure. Most rpg sites talk about games enough so thats basicaly advertising. Plus with a lot of the pictures of goblins the "kid safety" people woldn't let it go on places where a lot of kids go..........which is what people say the game is aimed at.
* sighs* Why is it you people do not think they advertise? THEY DO! I posted 2 of their ads in the post above yours.
They advertise ON THIS SITE. They advertise On MANY other F2P and MMO sites as well. They have ads on Miniclip which targets children. I have seen many ads. Just because you are not where they are advertising, or are not paying attention does not mean they do not advertise. LOL
Silly people.
JAGEX DOES ADVERTISE! JAGEX
ADVERTISES RUNESCAPE WHERE
KIDS GO!
I have no idea why you don;t seem to understand that they do. LOL
They should have made an effort 2 improve their customer service instead. Dungeoneering is a travesty of the lackluster and repetitive dungeon drive found in 99.9% of MMORPG and RPG games.
Why exactly would they classify one "skill" as an expansion? Because it adds 4 monotonous tiers of hack and slash ecstasy designed to showcase the pathetic hit multiplier on a dynamic scale?
Looks like all our dreams are slowly and progressively materializing!
They should have made an effort 2 improve their customer service instead. Dungeoneering is a travesty of the lackluster and repetitive dungeon drive found in 99.9% of MMORPG and RPG games.
Why exactly would they classify one "skill" as an expansion? Because it adds 4 monotonous tiers of hack and slash ecstasy designed to showcase the pathetic hit multiplier on a dynamic scale?
Looks like all our dreams are slowly and progressively materializing!
It really should have been a mini game and not a skill..You can;t use the weapons and armor outside the " mini game".. You can;t bring your own items in. It is another game inside the game and not a skill. To make it worse, it isn;t even fun. If I wasnt to raid.. I can go play other games with much better raiding systems where you can keep your gear you obtain.. Jagex seems to miss the point that raiding is really about " treasure hunting" if you are going to spend that much time going through dungeaons.. you are going to expect to be rewarded better than that.
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Runescape stays free to play by minimizing costs. Advertisements cost too much to run for too long. Also, being an internet pop-culture icon and having a special place in our middle-school memories, the game pretty much advertises itself.
This is why you don't see as many advertisements for Wal-Mart or WoW.
They pretty much advertise themselves, especially when South Park is involved.
Advertising a game does not necessarily mean it will bring in more members...Just means people will be aware of if it...
Advertising RS would not bring in enough members to make the advertisement worthwhile.
March on! - Lets Invade Pekopon
Lol the supporters of whats Botterscape now.
Jagex have been advertising to look on Youtube at their links. This is to direct people there to try to hide the heaps of links there that show how people use their botters to do anything and everything. Whats the point of playing if you can even get a botter to do all the quests far more easy than wasting a lot of time doing it yourself. Considering the amount of links to find a botter help on 'Google', it proves that there is very few actual players. This is proven online in RS as nowdays very few actually chat much at all but check here to see some safer botts (pathetic help though) and notice there is even Auto-Talkers; http://www.rs101.info/autobots/ . The main reason this site has safer botts is that they don't want their site closed down at all.
To all those with a good functioning mind: Cancel your membership and stop wasting money.
The program makes sure that those on longer (being botters claiming to be no-lifers) get the better rewards consistantly and your account won't get much at all. Honest players actually get punished in Ratscape and it's recently the worst ever. A few of my friends had high slaying and were aiming to up it a lot, 1 actually got 99, but even then the drops still turned out relatively poor for all that. If you persist then you will only be more and more frustrated
so quit now before you become even worse than the orange heating anger here!
Why is it popular, yet so little advertising? Where else is it so easy to leave a botter playing while you go get some keyloggers off MSN, Facebook, etc or what the TV for better fun. Even Minesweeper is really more of a challenge.
Devillicous, could you link that comment of your mates botting well for money to here aswell. That was so good a point to prove how stupid this game has got.
Well, there's even more reason for why so many accounts play yet it's not advertised. As I said above, there's heaps of Auto-Botts and these do vertually all things in the game. Fully bott all the quests, bott all diarys too once they have fully botted all skills. Sites talk about how you can have a lot of botts playing on the same computer so lets underestimate this with 12 accounts botting while they stay on their main account. On the main account it's like the Main account stays talking to the minor people like us genuinely playing and wondering if those loads of accounts getting Rocktails maybe botting. The main account can thus protect his 12 botter accounts fishing rocktails there, i'm sure like here, his mates that he videoed for this http://www.youtube.com/user/sosolid2kk?blend=8&ob=4 actually do the same thing. As a group of them understanding how to make super-macroes, they would easily get all gear they need to PK with the best gear available. All it takes for accounts like this is once they go to sleep, they just Auto-Bott trade as much as possible to the main account. Meanwhile that main account can also bott sales at the GE meaning they vertually control the total game.
The other botts available on sites like RS101 aren't actually that good at all being free as they are to tempt people to buy the proper bott for real cash. Even then those botts won't be as efficient as theirs or else that would mess up their own abilities and that of their mates. Searching for botts to use yourself is a waste of time, considering to be a member all you do is pay so these other full-time bott accounts get a cheap way to cheat so they can have fun with all the gear available while the honest player always ends up with very little at all. The game engine is set to benefit those on the game the longest, thus the bott accounts while those playing part-time aren't given much at all.
Jagex should change it so those on less get random rewards of the stuff left on the ground from this PKing, only rewarded to those never Pking and the chance reducing with time playing. This would be a major deterant to botters and would be the first improvement for honest players. The ONLY way that botters can be stopped is to charge game playing time by the hour instead of an unfair monthly charge - immediately botter accounts would stop due to the massive charge for what some cheats have over 100 botter accounts. This sure will upset those cheats so some may complain on here soon but too bad, cheating is cheating aswell as theft of our money!
The only other option is for all genuine people to quit as soon as possible - save wasting your hard earned cash or that of your decent parents.
Also go to my recent thread in MMORPG Pub discussion to let them know your worst game and developer. Due to the size with all the help sites I believe Runescape has made the worst mess of all.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/post/3679126/thread/285493#3679126
Well since for some reasion you have decided to take some kind of personal crusade ageanst the game, there is really little we can believe from you.
Everyone knows that when someone has some type of personal hate towards a game they will just come up with every type of reasion and lie possible to try and slander the game.
Want to know why runescape does so great without much advertising?
It's because the game is easy to pickup, easy to play, and runs on just about any hardware out there.
Regardless if there are botters, ect. The only people that really bothers are the people that are out to try and prove (somehow) they are better then the other players of said game. That goes for just about any MMORPG out there.. There are bot programs out there for just about every MMO out. Why someone would want to pay for a game not to play it is beyond me.. But I don't let that type of stuff get to me.. Because really at the end of the day, what are you going to be able to do to stop them.. Nothing.
Jalice is not the only member here that has had conflict with Jagex, I mean just look around on these forums. You have Former Mods, many high level players, as well as game correspondants for them that have voiced opposition to the way they handle things. Just because someone voices opposition for a game, doesn;t automatically discredit what they have to say. Most of the oposition actually comes from their formerly most diehard fans. I for one USED to defend the game, and have written quite a bit on the potential of the game. It is just sad the direction they chose to take with it when it really didn;t need to be destroyed that way.
For example:
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/180615/page/1 The POES thread is actually started by Mike, who used to be a general correspondant for Mechscape, and has written a Runescape guide.
http://www.mmorpg.com/discussion2.cfm/thread/186136/The-Flaws-of-Runescape.html He also started " The Flaws of Runescape" thread and quite a few others. Simiswim used to be a mod on the game, and many of the other " POES" on this forum were long time players.
Yes, yes there is a way to let them know that players are unhappy with their choices and that is by voicing your concerns, and refusing to pay for a broken game. The reason people pay for a game they do not play is because it is profitable to do so. I can understand how Jagex's turnover system works, but they will not be able to maintain a new flow for as long as they had thought simply because every year there is more competition out there for the new player base.
The best part of the game is being a noob. Noobs of course do not know this and " get" into the game for a bit, setting goals to level their accounts and such. But then it hits them the massive boring grind. They realize that no matter how much they play, it will still take forever to reach those goals. So they opt for alternatives, whether it be botting or they just go buy a fully stocked account and change it's name- they are able to have their goals met without the pain and suffering it takes to do so yourself.
Then they get a high level character and realize the games sucks much worse than it did when they were a noob. Often this results in them just creating a noob to get the " old spark" back or they get angry, protest, rant- because they feel they have an investment in the game, or they just throw it in the gutter and go get another game.
You see, this works well for the 3rd part RMT'rs because they offer account training services and sell fully loaded accounts. So the noobs coming into the game can readily buy what they want in game with real cash and get their goals met immediately. For them it is immediate gratification ( which usually quickly turns into disappointment), and it is profitable for the 3rd party RMT'rs because they can have a quick turnover of accounts being sold if they pay for memebership while training the accounts, due to how much quicker you can train accounts in a membership area vs non.
I also do not understand why people think this game is all that popular anymore, or why they remotely think it is not advertised. I SEE RUNESCAPE ADS EVERYWHERE. Especially game gold sellers for runescape, they do more advertising than Jagex does themselves!
Though, Jagex does advertise- even on THIS site. LOL
Runescape Television Commercial
Official RuneScape Trailer By Jagex
Also- Yes you can stop bots, But Jagex would never actually do it. 1.) Block programs from accessing their clients. 2.) THIS 3.) perma ban hard drive IP on those remaining ( No not isp' IP addys- use a simple hard drive detection tool that is loaded at the time you play the game. Many sites use them already.)
Make it so it is not profitable and problem solved. No, this would not fix the broken game mechanics, but it does stop the bots.
Runescape has a lot of reasons. It has to attend to a ton of people so it might not have the time/money it takes to make an advertisement. Where would you make an advertisement for it anyway? Not disney channel thats for sure. Most rpg sites talk about games enough so thats basicaly advertising. Plus with a lot of the pictures of goblins the "kid safety" people woldn't let it go on places where a lot of kids go..........which is what people say the game is aimed at.
-popcorn2199
* sighs* Why is it you people do not think they advertise? THEY DO! I posted 2 of their ads in the post above yours.
They advertise ON THIS SITE. They advertise On MANY other F2P and MMO sites as well. They have ads on Miniclip which targets children. I have seen many ads. Just because you are not where they are advertising, or are not paying attention does not mean they do not advertise. LOL
Silly people.
JAGEX DOES ADVERTISE! JAGEX
ADVERTISES RUNESCAPE WHERE
KIDS GO!
I have no idea why you don;t seem to understand that they do. LOL
"We also have advertising" ~ Mark Gerhard
http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/jagex-ceo-mark-gerhard-interview
Does that Clarify it for you?
Seconded.
you may hate me, you may love me, but i will remain the same.
I found this ad just to the left of me on this site.
They should have made an effort 2 improve their customer service instead. Dungeoneering is a travesty of the lackluster and repetitive dungeon drive found in 99.9% of MMORPG and RPG games.
Why exactly would they classify one "skill" as an expansion? Because it adds 4 monotonous tiers of hack and slash ecstasy designed to showcase the pathetic hit multiplier on a dynamic scale?
Looks like all our dreams are slowly and progressively materializing!
It really should have been a mini game and not a skill..You can;t use the weapons and armor outside the " mini game".. You can;t bring your own items in. It is another game inside the game and not a skill. To make it worse, it isn;t even fun. If I wasnt to raid.. I can go play other games with much better raiding systems where you can keep your gear you obtain.. Jagex seems to miss the point that raiding is really about " treasure hunting" if you are going to spend that much time going through dungeaons.. you are going to expect to be rewarded better than that.