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Discouraging innovation
Naturalist99
Member Posts: 182
Theres currently a thread going on, with a poll, whether people would prefer voice acting over alien playable races. Im fine by people discussing there opinions there, but now its becoming a thread ranting about how Bioware spent money on voice acting. This is just sad. SWTOR is going to be the first fully voice acted mmo, and people are complaining that its a bad decsion. People always say SWTOR is the same WoW formula with a new coat, blah blah ya. Well Bioware is trying to be innovative with the voice acting. Most developers aren't doing that anymore. So its a start to innovation I guess. It's also controvercial. Many people say mmos today lack innovation, they need to bring something new to the table. All that stuff. I agree, but you don't wake up one day and that mmo is born. MMOs will most likely slowly get there. I'm no SWTOR fan, I follow it but thats it, but the day when us mmoers start hating on a game for trying something new from the norm, is a sad day.
MMOs played: Too many
Watch List: FFXIV, CoH:GR, GW2, SWTOR, TERA, Earthrise
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ehh imo , im not gonna play because of the voice acting , i might be kinda angry if every 2 mins theres a 10 min cutscene.
I don't know if I wanna play the game at all, so voice acting isn't the key here. The thing is, would you prefer talking to a quest giver that makes it seem like its a movie with the dialogue (that you can skip so its not so much like a boring custcene)
MMOs played: Too many
Watch List: FFXIV, CoH:GR, GW2, SWTOR, TERA, Earthrise
So many kids, so few paddles. If voice overs are a play or not play issue then I hope they dont play. I think it will be interesting and since people are just making assumptions and guesses, it doesnt have any facts to back them up. I hate the new thing of instancing every damn thing, hope swtor doesnt do that. That would be my issue. The game is still a year away before possible release so dont let people and their opinions do more than amuse you.
I'd much rather have the voice acting.
Uh, since when did voice acting = cutscenes? hate to see what kind of games you play.
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Well, might not be the same for everyone else, but i dont exactly consider voice overs innovative in any way, theyve been in games for years, including MMOs, all their doing is making everything voiced over rathe rthan just portions of it. So its more like improving existing conditions, not innovating & creating anything new.
Outside of that, i dont really see much of anything innovative that their $150M is doing, ims till patiently waiting for anything that even remotely jumps out at me and makes me say "damn, i really want to play that game". Guild Wars 2 seems to be going much more innovative and original, and with what I assume is a much lower budget. The littl ebit of info theyve just started releasing in the past couple weeks sounds awesome, and i cant wait to play it. SWTOR just makes me go "Meh, might be worth checking out, could be kinda fun". If I cared about voice acting & such, id just go watch an animated movie or something, im playing MMOs to play a fun game, not listen to people talk.
Ya your right, we should just go back to teh days of no voice acting, after all no one cares cause it doesnt effect the game at all or anything.....
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I think it is going to be a real exciting game.
(Different strokes for different folks)
But so far, I like what I see, to me it looks like a huge RPG that I can co-op, so that's good for me.
Looking at the games that came before, KOTOR and KOTOR this one falls in line with that style, I like MMO's too, but I'm really looking forward to this game. I'm hoping maybe I can get my wife into as well. She's kind of hit and miss with MMOs.
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I never said that, but its not as if the "days of no voice acting" was yesterday, and SWTOR is the first game to ever use it or something. its not groundbreaking or innovative at all, theyre just taking something that has already existed for a good 10-15 years or so in games as a whole, and 5+ years in MMOs, and banking on it. They're simply expanding on an already exisiting feature, and putting it throughout the whole game, not just special parts of it. Just look at the rest of Bioware games and the voiceovers... its been done already, just not to the extent that it is in SWTOR. Think about it like the old CG cutscenes we used to only see in special parts of games back on the older consoles. Now, CG cutscenes are everywhere you turn, and in many games just plain overdone. These newer games & cutscenes are not innovative, theyre just copying and overusing something that, at one time was innovative.
To me, innovative would be actually doing something unique and never used before, not copying exisiting things. Though, considering there is nothing innovative about making yet another Star Wars game, i guess innovative shouldnt really be what we're looking for. I hope Bioware pulls off the game and they venture into some original IPs of their own making so they actually have some room to do something different next time around.
5+ years in mmos? What mmos are fully voice acted like SWTOR? Only game I can think of with a good amount of voice acting is AoC which is just the first few levels.
MMOs played: Too many
Watch List: FFXIV, CoH:GR, GW2, SWTOR, TERA, Earthrise
I think too much emphasis is being put on voice acting in this regard.
People won't play the game because of voice acting? Honestly? Those people wouldn't play either way. BioWare isn't missing anything from those that won't play due to voice acting. They will, however, find that fanbase that loves the BioWare games and choosing your own story. If voice acting was really an issue, you would just be able to skip it and read the dialogue instead, but that isn't the case.
I think those that dislike this game need to find a new gripe than the voice acting. They're going to be very disappointed when they find many of the new games having cutscenes and voiceovers.
The idea isnt that SWTOR is gonna be good for voice acting and a good mmo. But that its being discouraged to use voice acting at all, what does that look like to mmo developers? It makes them think that if they try something never done, or something to make it different than other mmos, then they are gonna get hate for it.
MMOs played: Too many
Watch List: FFXIV, CoH:GR, GW2, SWTOR, TERA, Earthrise
Name one MMO with a truly innovative feature that a single player game hasn't done, or a feature that hasn't been adapted from one MMO to another. There is nothing innovative about any of the game coming out, its just a different way to do things. Some old FPS's like DOOM and Goldeneye were fantastic, Halo never created the FPS yet it was amazingly popular, thats just the world of gaming.
I never said MMOs have been FULLY voiceacted for 5+ years, i said that voice acting has been used in MMOs for 5+ years. Theres quite a few games out there that already have voice acting for things like quest NPCs (and other types of NPCs), as well as voiceover for bosses. This is why i pointed out that theyre not innovating, as in doing anything really new/unique, theyre just putting MORE of something that alread exists in the game.
BioWare creates very specialized RPGs. Their RPGs are widely successful, and that stands alone to BioWare as something to implement for the masses. It has less to do with the voice acting and more to do with the story aspect that BioWare created. Voice acting being implemented is polish, and people hide behind the specific point of voice acting to project distaste for the game. Voice acting is moving something unemotional and unfeeling thats been in the genre, and moves it up to the next echelon the way that BioWare does it. Some people consider that a hindrance when its really a perk.
Those that really take issue with it, would have taken issue with the game for many of other reasons, its part of the way these forums are... dislike one game so you can popularize another.
EQ2... fully voice acted.
Don't forget, out of the $150 million dollars being spent on this, easily 149% of that is going towards voice acting, as to leave no money for anything else.
It's really mind bottling how people can't think for themselves, and instead rely on what their friends heard from their friends from their friends who had no real information but just guessed.
You worded it perfectly. It brings emotion to the genre. Great way to put it.
MMOs played: Too many
Watch List: FFXIV, CoH:GR, GW2, SWTOR, TERA, Earthrise
i could say the same to you. Where did you get the idea that voice acting costs so much money. Yes SWTOR costs a lot of money to make. But do u think voice acting takes up a large portion? These voice actors arent being payed 5 mil to say a few lines. Plus, 149% doesnt make sense...
MMOs played: Too many
Watch List: FFXIV, CoH:GR, GW2, SWTOR, TERA, Earthrise
I think that was a joke.
That's not really whats being discussed (innovation in other games), but youre kind of helping make my point. Youre right, many MMOs dont do anything really innovative, they just copy copy copy. SWTOR is just another one to add to that list based on whats been show to us so far.
I realize we dont have ALL the info yet, but based on what we do actually have (not assumptions based on peoples hopes), there is nothing that really seperates the game from any other, besides full voice acting, which is not really an innovation, just as i said more of the same.
If NO MMOs innovate then why would SWTOR be the only one held to a double standard?
You say that is if this was the only thread ive ever posted in or something. I criticize games all the time for things like claiming they are unique and innovative, when its nothing but the same game weve been playing for 5 years, just with a new skin and different name. Very few MMOs in recent years have done anthing even slightly unique, im well aware of that and bitch about ti plenty :-P
But being that this is a thread about SWTOR and voice acting and innovation.... see where im going with this?
Its not just you specifically, I just see a lot of it on the forums. Game A isn't innovating, yet they prefer game B which also, isn't innovating. Its a mud slinging game, I didn't mean it personally.
Don't worry, they need not worry about the Aliens over voice posts logically flawed.
Voice Acting or Alien Races great compare. logically this is amusing isn't soemthing that needs to be compared as Voice acting is in and it won't be changing.
The look is pretty much irrelevant, we know there morphing tech in the Hero Engine so , shouldn't the argument be about bipedal forms against otrher ? Any race other than human in the game is alien.... So there will be lots of "Aliens" in game....
Seems like a very poor arguing point other than the fact that there is an annoyance value to the post, which is probably why it is here.
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