Not long ago I bought a 23 mil SP character there for 4 billion. 1 timecode = 300 mil = €17 so 10 of those babies will get you a character with pretty good skills.
Yeah, you know that's always been out of site out of mind for me. I've known about it, but never used it so I don't generally think about it. I still think there are strong arguments to be made that the person buying the character isn't buying a win since they need to know how to actually play to avoid substantial losses. Additionally, that high SP character was in the game the whole time it was training up to high sp, so there is no new "win" introduced as opposed to an item shop that basically manufactures items on demand. But, I can certainly chalk this up to a difference of perspective on it and good point bringing it up.
As far as your previous comment about cutting EvE's subs in half, I'd would honestly be extremely surprised if that happens. I mean I imagine many people are in my position (or maybe I am a unique and special snow flake), where they will try out BP since it is f2p, but still maintain their EvE sub(s). This would be fine for both games really. That said, I am certainly glad to see EvE getting some competition as that is one sure way to motivate the developers
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
People wil not be able to control capital ships in this game.U can control capitals only in missions but only their cannons not the whole ship.And for f2p model they already said they have plenty of money for this game in present and future.As for beta i think it wil be in 6 months or soo idk >.<
without money how can they upgrade the game in a future ?
slowly, or not at all.
No money? Hardly. F2P usually means a larger community and often a larger revenue stream than P2P. The larger revenue stream is because of the much larger community.
And you're not dealing with a boring, empty world, because the low barrier to entry means a lot of people are trying the game. F2P is a good deal for us players because it costs us nothing at all to decide if the game is what we want to play.
Take a look at DDO sometime. It went from dying to successful on the basis of changing from P2P to F2P, and that's just one of many examples of games using the F2P model to bring quality to the players.
without money how can they upgrade the game in a future ?
slowly, or not at all.
No money? Hardly. F2P usually means a larger community and often a larger revenue stream than P2P. The larger revenue stream is because of the much larger community.
And you're not dealing with a boring, empty world, because the low barrier to entry means a lot of people are trying the game. F2P is a good deal for us players because it costs us nothing at all to decide if the game is what we want to play.
Take a look at DDO sometime. It went from dying to successful on the basis of changing from P2P to F2P, and that's just one of many examples of games using the F2P model to bring quality to the players.
True, until you hit the endgame and have to spend 5k of real money to be elite, on most f2p games thats what happens. But perhads they could make it right and sell items that arent overpowered, i hope the game have balance when ill try it.
Also please do not think that this is Eve with FPS combat is this game has much much less depth to it. It is an instanced space combat simulator nothing more so don't get too excited guys. unless an instanced space combat simulator is what your looking for.
Also please do not think that this is Eve with FPS combat is this game has much much less depth to it. It is an instanced space combat simulator nothing more so don't get too excited guys. unless an instanced space combat simulator is what your looking for.
thats very, very, very superficial. And it proves you don't know ANYTHING about Black Prophecy.
Everyone is in a panic because it's F2P, but I think it'll be alright, they gonna use a nice balanced cash shop (time vs money, you cant get anything in cs you wouldn't get ingame without paying).
just an instanced space simulator huh? What about the huge storyline a pro german Sci-Fi writer wrote for them? What about the fully customizable ships ? What about PvEvP ? And there might be open PvP too, they never said the game will be FULLY instanced. There will be clan station fights too, within specified periods.
without money how can they upgrade the game in a future ?
slowly, or not at all.
oh there are always enough people with money burning holes in their pockets,willing to pay real cash for a "special" outfit or other asthetic items, a cash shop could run most games these days simply off the revenue from that ,that is the main reason i always say once a game starts to slow down change it over to F2P and support it with a cash shop to keep it running as long as they can if they want to squeeze a little bit more money out of it. (they could have done that with Tabula Rasa, yes im still bitter about its cancellation)
Also please do not think that this is Eve with FPS combat is this game has much much less depth to it. It is an instanced space combat simulator nothing more so don't get too excited guys. unless an instanced space combat simulator is what your looking for.
thats very, very, very superficial. And it proves you don't know ANYTHING about Black Prophecy.
Everyone is in a panic because it's F2P, but I think it'll be alright, they gonna use a nice balanced cash shop (time vs money, you cant get anything in cs you wouldn't get ingame without paying).
just an instanced space simulator huh? What about the huge storyline a pro german Sci-Fi writer wrote for them? What about the fully customizable ships ? What about PvEvP ? And there might be open PvP too, they never said the game will be FULLY instanced. There will be clan station fights too, within specified periods.
1 conclusion: do some research
Yeah your right there is tons of none combat related stuff in this game isn't there? Like crafting a full economy, etc.... er no there isn't, there is basically instanced combat zones and that is it.I have done my research, I have read the site and that is what the developers themselves are saying.
So my point stands this is a very combat heavy instanced MMO, stay away if your looking for the depth of Eve. But it might be a good combat game.
Xianthos... You may not know this but EvE has a win button by paying cash also... Its called Time Codes....
Nice try though you troll.
All the time codes in the world won't cause your skills to train any faster so how are GTC a "win button"? If you need GTC to fund the ships you lost, then you likely aren't winning....
Buy a character in the character bazaar maybe? I love how certain EVE players laugh at this game, and bring up the whole cash shop argument. EVE is a cash shop, multi-boxing, hurry up and wait, shoot red boxes, excel online, be semi-AFK 90% of the time and still do well type of game and nothing more. And at the topic of EVE, by the looks of it, the only thing these two games have in common (thankfully) is the sci-fi theme. The two simply shouldn't be compared. I'm looking forward to BP, it may be a "dumbed down" shoot-em-up space game but if it's fun, it's fun. I know EVE isn't IMO.
All the time codes in the world won't cause your skills to train any faster so how are GTC a "win button"? If you need GTC to fund the ships you lost, then you likely aren't winning....
Buy a character in the character bazaar maybe? I love how certain EVE players laugh at this game, and bring up the whole cash shop argument. EVE is a cash shop, multi-boxing, hurry up and wait, shoot red boxes, excel online, be semi-AFK 90% of the time and still do well type of game and nothing more. And at the topic of EVE, by the looks of it, the only thing these two games have in common (thankfully) is the sci-fi theme. The two simply shouldn't be compared. I'm looking forward to BP, it may be a "dumbed down" shoot-em-up space game but if it's fun, it's fun. I know EVE isn't IMO.
Feel free to read the whole thread where Yamota already corrected me about the character bazaar and I responded. I can give you the short version though: Character Bazaar is not an "I WIN" button. Beyond that, there are plenty of discussions that have taken place regarding whether EvE is or is not a cash shop. To sum it up, my opinion is that it is not, at least in the traditional sense, since nothing is created on demand. You keep rocking your opinions though as everyone is certainly entitled to their own.
Otherwise, I'm not seeing a whole lot of EvE players bashing BP. If anything, I've seen BP fans bring up how this is going to be serious competition for EvE, EvE subs will take a huge hit, etc etc. I guess there are two sides to every coin eh? Really though, it seems more people are concerned about the F2P approach then anything. At any rate, as an EvE player, I'm looking forward to this one as well and like the idea that there will be some competition, and options for the players, even if it turns out to only be competiting on the "internet spaceships" level.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
I hope they give EVE some real competition. Looks promising though
Yes it does look promising, but it won't give Eve much competition as it is a MMOFPS rather than an RPG. So it will doubtfully attract few who play Eve, more likely the FPS crowd will be attracted to it. It is also a item shop game, which turns off a lot of MMO players. Not to say that it won't be successful if it is a good game, just that it will have it's own niche rather than being in Eve's niche.
Personally I am not into twitch combat myself, I would buy an Xbox or PS3 instead if I wanted that type of combat.
Will you be able to pilot both Fighter-class vessels, as well as capitol ships, should you so desire?
When I see my ideal space combat game, I think of the large battle at the end of Return of the Jedi...tons of capital ships going head to head and close range with fighters and bombers zipping about between them....I this scenario, I'd like for all vessels present to be controlled by actual players.
...If you could control capital ships, then everyone would want to, thus making them look like regular ships.
"When everyone is super, nobody is."
And yet, not everyone with the ability in EVE is flying a capital ship, why is that? I think your argument just broke.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Will you be able to pilot both Fighter-class vessels, as well as capitol ships, should you so desire?
When I see my ideal space combat game, I think of the large battle at the end of Return of the Jedi...tons of capital ships going head to head and close range with fighters and bombers zipping about between them....I this scenario, I'd like for all vessels present to be controlled by actual players.
...If you could control capital ships, then everyone would want to, thus making them look like regular ships.
"When everyone is super, nobody is."
And yet, not everyone with the ability in EVE is flying a capital ship, why is that? I think your argument just broke.
*sigh* EVE is not a FPS... your talking about apples and oranges, the only real common thing these games share are space setting and ships only avatars.
Will you be able to pilot both Fighter-class vessels, as well as capitol ships, should you so desire?
When I see my ideal space combat game, I think of the large battle at the end of Return of the Jedi...tons of capital ships going head to head and close range with fighters and bombers zipping about between them....I this scenario, I'd like for all vessels present to be controlled by actual players.
...If you could control capital ships, then everyone would want to, thus making them look like regular ships.
"When everyone is super, nobody is."
And yet, not everyone with the ability in EVE is flying a capital ship, why is that? I think your argument just broke.
*sigh* EVE is not a FPS... your talking about apples and oranges, the only real common thing these games share are space setting and ships only avatars.
*sigh* No, it is not "apples to oranges".
Are you telling me that capital ships in Black Prophecy are going to be just as maneuverable and fast as fighters? Are you telling me capital ships in BP are not going to be extremely expensive, thus making it unfeasible for everyone and their brother to own one, much less use one to fight everytime?
If not, then it is exactly like EVE and my point stands, there will be no issue.
However, if you say yes to those things, then either hopefully you are wrong, or Reakktor are still as stupid as they were with Neocron 1 and 2 and the game won't last long.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
All the time codes in the world won't cause your skills to train any faster so how are GTC a "win button"? If you need GTC to fund the ships you lost, then you likely aren't winning....
Buy a character in the character bazaar maybe? I love how certain EVE players laugh at this game, and bring up the whole cash shop argument. EVE is a cash shop, multi-boxing, hurry up and wait, shoot red boxes, excel online, be semi-AFK 90% of the time and still do well type of game and nothing more. And at the topic of EVE, by the looks of it, the only thing these two games have in common (thankfully) is the sci-fi theme. The two simply shouldn't be compared. I'm looking forward to BP, it may be a "dumbed down" shoot-em-up space game but if it's fun, it's fun. I know EVE isn't IMO.
Feel free to read the whole thread where Yamota already corrected me about the character bazaar and I responded. I can give you the short version though: Character Bazaar is not an "I WIN" button. Beyond that, there are plenty of discussions that have taken place regarding whether EvE is or is not a cash shop. To sum it up, my opinion is that it is not, at least in the traditional sense, since nothing is created on demand. You keep rocking your opinions though as everyone is certainly entitled to their own.
Otherwise, I'm not seeing a whole lot of EvE players bashing BP. If anything, I've seen BP fans bring up how this is going to be serious competition for EvE, EvE subs will take a huge hit, etc etc. I guess there are two sides to every coin eh? Really though, it seems more people are concerned about the F2P approach then anything. At any rate, as an EvE player, I'm looking forward to this one as well and like the idea that there will be some competition, and options for the players, even if it turns out to only be competiting on the "internet spaceships" level.
Go to OOO in the forum and find a BP/JG/Infinity QfE thread, and you'll see some responses that follow my first paragraph. Does EVE have a 100% pure cash shop? Not really, but it's a semi-cash shop in disguise where if joe blo doesn't feel like grinding 8-10 hours of missioning for a single vagabond (possibly without mods, it's been awhile), then they can simply buy a PLEX or two and be done with it.
As far as the F2P model goes, I hope it follows in the successful footsteps of DDO, going F2P actually boosted that games potential. Of course this is the exception, not the rule, from what I've seen BP looks impressive. It could also have a "VIP" sub where if you want some more depth you can sub like a regular game, but still have that F2P option. I guess only time will tell.
Go to OOO in the forum and find a BP/JG/Infinity QfE thread, and you'll see some responses that follow my first paragraph. Does EVE have a 100% pure cash shop? Not really, but it's a semi-cash shop in disguise where if joe blo doesn't feel like grinding 8-10 hours of missioning for a single vagabond (possibly without mods, it's been awhile), then they can simply buy a PLEX or two and be done with it.
As far as the F2P model goes, I hope it follows in the successful footsteps of DDO, going F2P actually boosted that games potential. Of course this is the exception, not the rule, from what I've seen BP looks impressive. It could also have a "VIP" sub where if you want some more depth you can sub like a regular game, but still have that F2P option. I guess only time will tell.
I would contend that there is nothing "in disguise" about what EvE does. Your example about buying a specific ship neglects the idea that you need to train to use that specific ship. You also need to train to use specific mods. As a result, the character still needs to have trained for "x" amount of time and there is no "potion of skip levels" that a player can buy on demand to shortcut the training mechanic. Therefore, while Joe Blo might not grind the ISK for however many hours, he still needs to have trained for however many hours so there was no "win button" as was previously described. I mean, if you want to consider this a "win button" then being a member of a certain corp can be a "win button" as they might provide ships free, or drastically discounted.
And yeah, I guess I understand why some people are skeptical of the F2P model. I mean, there seems to be an instant association with lack of quality when someone says F2P. I think DDO is a good example of how it can be done successfully and hopefully this game can be another success story.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers. Do something wrong, no one forgets" -from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
Go to OOO in the forum and find a BP/JG/Infinity QfE thread, and you'll see some responses that follow my first paragraph. Does EVE have a 100% pure cash shop? Not really, but it's a semi-cash shop in disguise where if joe blo doesn't feel like grinding 8-10 hours of missioning for a single vagabond (possibly without mods, it's been awhile), then they can simply buy a PLEX or two and be done with it.
As far as the F2P model goes, I hope it follows in the successful footsteps of DDO, going F2P actually boosted that games potential. Of course this is the exception, not the rule, from what I've seen BP looks impressive. It could also have a "VIP" sub where if you want some more depth you can sub like a regular game, but still have that F2P option. I guess only time will tell.
I would contend that there is nothing "in disguise" about what EvE does. Your example about buying a specific ship neglects the idea that you need to train to use that specific ship. You also need to train to use specific mods. As a result, the character still needs to have trained for "x" amount of time and there is no "potion of skip levels" that a player can buy on demand to shortcut the training mechanic. Therefore, while Joe Blo might not grind the ISK for however many hours, he still needs to have trained for however many hours so there was no "win button" as was previously described. I mean, if you want to consider this a "win button" then being a member of a certain corp can be a "win button" as they might provide ships free, or drastically discounted.
And yeah, I guess I understand why some people are skeptical of the F2P model. I mean, there seems to be an instant association with lack of quality when someone says F2P. I think DDO is a good example of how it can be done successfully and hopefully this game can be another success story.
I reall hate that word balance. If you try to balance a game so that all the players are on an even playing feild. All you end up doing is screwing it up. Look at WOW. People complained about the Death Knight being too powerful. Blizzard rectified that issue. What happened? The class almost became completely worthless in PVE. PVP it was fine. But in PVE I pretty much came within death's reach of dying or I did die. One the dev all need to do is KEEP PVP stats seperate from PVE stats. When you go from PVE to PVP the stats change so the playing feild is even and when you leave they go back to PVE. Nuff said.
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Yeah, you know that's always been out of site out of mind for me. I've known about it, but never used it so I don't generally think about it. I still think there are strong arguments to be made that the person buying the character isn't buying a win since they need to know how to actually play to avoid substantial losses. Additionally, that high SP character was in the game the whole time it was training up to high sp, so there is no new "win" introduced as opposed to an item shop that basically manufactures items on demand. But, I can certainly chalk this up to a difference of perspective on it and good point bringing it up.
As far as your previous comment about cutting EvE's subs in half, I'd would honestly be extremely surprised if that happens. I mean I imagine many people are in my position (or maybe I am a unique and special snow flake), where they will try out BP since it is f2p, but still maintain their EvE sub(s). This would be fine for both games really. That said, I am certainly glad to see EvE getting some competition as that is one sure way to motivate the developers
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
People wil not be able to control capital ships in this game.U can control capitals only in missions but only their cannons not the whole ship.And for f2p model they already said they have plenty of money for this game in present and future.As for beta i think it wil be in 6 months or soo idk >.<
No money? Hardly. F2P usually means a larger community and often a larger revenue stream than P2P. The larger revenue stream is because of the much larger community.
And you're not dealing with a boring, empty world, because the low barrier to entry means a lot of people are trying the game. F2P is a good deal for us players because it costs us nothing at all to decide if the game is what we want to play.
Take a look at DDO sometime. It went from dying to successful on the basis of changing from P2P to F2P, and that's just one of many examples of games using the F2P model to bring quality to the players.
True, until you hit the endgame and have to spend 5k of real money to be elite, on most f2p games thats what happens. But perhads they could make it right and sell items that arent overpowered, i hope the game have balance when ill try it.
What is "makign"? Please spellcheck your blurb/link to this article....please.
read the interview, got pretty excited, thought to myself:
"damn this sounds neat!"
then in the last sentence he says "free2play"...
ok cya, bring another.
Free 2 play is very bad news.
Also please do not think that this is Eve with FPS combat is this game has much much less depth to it. It is an instanced space combat simulator nothing more so don't get too excited guys. unless an instanced space combat simulator is what your looking for.
thats very, very, very superficial. And it proves you don't know ANYTHING about Black Prophecy.
Everyone is in a panic because it's F2P, but I think it'll be alright, they gonna use a nice balanced cash shop (time vs money, you cant get anything in cs you wouldn't get ingame without paying).
just an instanced space simulator huh? What about the huge storyline a pro german Sci-Fi writer wrote for them? What about the fully customizable ships ? What about PvEvP ? And there might be open PvP too, they never said the game will be FULLY instanced. There will be clan station fights too, within specified periods.
1 conclusion: do some research
oh there are always enough people with money burning holes in their pockets,willing to pay real cash for a "special" outfit or other asthetic items, a cash shop could run most games these days simply off the revenue from that ,that is the main reason i always say once a game starts to slow down change it over to F2P and support it with a cash shop to keep it running as long as they can if they want to squeeze a little bit more money out of it. (they could have done that with Tabula Rasa, yes im still bitter about its cancellation)
Which Final Fantasy Character Are You?
Final Fantasy 7
Yeah your right there is tons of none combat related stuff in this game isn't there? Like crafting a full economy, etc.... er no there isn't, there is basically instanced combat zones and that is it.I have done my research, I have read the site and that is what the developers themselves are saying.
So my point stands this is a very combat heavy instanced MMO, stay away if your looking for the depth of Eve. But it might be a good combat game.
Buy a character in the character bazaar maybe? I love how certain EVE players laugh at this game, and bring up the whole cash shop argument. EVE is a cash shop, multi-boxing, hurry up and wait, shoot red boxes, excel online, be semi-AFK 90% of the time and still do well type of game and nothing more. And at the topic of EVE, by the looks of it, the only thing these two games have in common (thankfully) is the sci-fi theme. The two simply shouldn't be compared. I'm looking forward to BP, it may be a "dumbed down" shoot-em-up space game but if it's fun, it's fun. I know EVE isn't IMO.
Feel free to read the whole thread where Yamota already corrected me about the character bazaar and I responded. I can give you the short version though: Character Bazaar is not an "I WIN" button. Beyond that, there are plenty of discussions that have taken place regarding whether EvE is or is not a cash shop. To sum it up, my opinion is that it is not, at least in the traditional sense, since nothing is created on demand. You keep rocking your opinions though as everyone is certainly entitled to their own.
Otherwise, I'm not seeing a whole lot of EvE players bashing BP. If anything, I've seen BP fans bring up how this is going to be serious competition for EvE, EvE subs will take a huge hit, etc etc. I guess there are two sides to every coin eh? Really though, it seems more people are concerned about the F2P approach then anything. At any rate, as an EvE player, I'm looking forward to this one as well and like the idea that there will be some competition, and options for the players, even if it turns out to only be competiting on the "internet spaceships" level.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
F2P = fail
Yes it does look promising, but it won't give Eve much competition as it is a MMOFPS rather than an RPG. So it will doubtfully attract few who play Eve, more likely the FPS crowd will be attracted to it. It is also a item shop game, which turns off a lot of MMO players. Not to say that it won't be successful if it is a good game, just that it will have it's own niche rather than being in Eve's niche.
Personally I am not into twitch combat myself, I would buy an Xbox or PS3 instead if I wanted that type of combat.
Luckily you don't have these problems with Eve.
The game looks nice to say the least I'll definitely be giving this one a try especially with a F2P model.
but yeah, to call this game Fantastic is like calling Twilight the Godfather of vampire movies....
And yet, not everyone with the ability in EVE is flying a capital ship, why is that? I think your argument just broke.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Dear Editor,
You mispelled the word "Making" .
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*sigh* EVE is not a FPS... your talking about apples and oranges, the only real common thing these games share are space setting and ships only avatars.
Uhh... what?
*sigh* No, it is not "apples to oranges".
Are you telling me that capital ships in Black Prophecy are going to be just as maneuverable and fast as fighters? Are you telling me capital ships in BP are not going to be extremely expensive, thus making it unfeasible for everyone and their brother to own one, much less use one to fight everytime?
If not, then it is exactly like EVE and my point stands, there will be no issue.
However, if you say yes to those things, then either hopefully you are wrong, or Reakktor are still as stupid as they were with Neocron 1 and 2 and the game won't last long.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Go to OOO in the forum and find a BP/JG/Infinity QfE thread, and you'll see some responses that follow my first paragraph. Does EVE have a 100% pure cash shop? Not really, but it's a semi-cash shop in disguise where if joe blo doesn't feel like grinding 8-10 hours of missioning for a single vagabond (possibly without mods, it's been awhile), then they can simply buy a PLEX or two and be done with it.
As far as the F2P model goes, I hope it follows in the successful footsteps of DDO, going F2P actually boosted that games potential. Of course this is the exception, not the rule, from what I've seen BP looks impressive. It could also have a "VIP" sub where if you want some more depth you can sub like a regular game, but still have that F2P option. I guess only time will tell.
I would contend that there is nothing "in disguise" about what EvE does. Your example about buying a specific ship neglects the idea that you need to train to use that specific ship. You also need to train to use specific mods. As a result, the character still needs to have trained for "x" amount of time and there is no "potion of skip levels" that a player can buy on demand to shortcut the training mechanic. Therefore, while Joe Blo might not grind the ISK for however many hours, he still needs to have trained for however many hours so there was no "win button" as was previously described. I mean, if you want to consider this a "win button" then being a member of a certain corp can be a "win button" as they might provide ships free, or drastically discounted.
And yeah, I guess I understand why some people are skeptical of the F2P model. I mean, there seems to be an instant association with lack of quality when someone says F2P. I think DDO is a good example of how it can be done successfully and hopefully this game can be another success story.
-mklinic
"Do something right, no one remembers.
Do something wrong, no one forgets"
-from No One Remembers by In Strict Confidence
I reall hate that word balance. If you try to balance a game so that all the players are on an even playing feild. All you end up doing is screwing it up. Look at WOW. People complained about the Death Knight being too powerful. Blizzard rectified that issue. What happened? The class almost became completely worthless in PVE. PVP it was fine. But in PVE I pretty much came within death's reach of dying or I did die. One the dev all need to do is KEEP PVP stats seperate from PVE stats. When you go from PVE to PVP the stats change so the playing feild is even and when you leave they go back to PVE. Nuff said.
"Reakktor"
That's all that needs to be said.
Neocon was a good game, horrible company.
This game might be pretty good, it just won't be advertised, or sold well, or deveopled for, and be bug ridden, etc etc etc