Someone´s decision

Herodes

Hi there,

I really like this game. Wait, scratch game. I really like this virtual world. I so like its content; adventuring, crafting and the diplomacy sphere. If Bioware makes SWTOR like Vanguard and makes it good, they´ll have the finest PvE-game.

Today we had a fine discussion in our guild chat. By the way, this is another reason to subscribe and join the guild: you play with people who know many MMOs, and most throw their arguments and buts into the discussion in a peaceful manner.

I unsubscribed today though, because someone, arguably before this game went into the life support, decided to make an epic questline for all spheres - crafting, diplomacy and adventuring. With epic rewards of course.
Most apparently it becomes in adventuring. People mostly do and LFG these Hunters League and United Races of Telon quests because of the very good weapons. Now "who cares?" could one ask, "this is how we do in most MMOs". But with a level content, which til level 15 is like one continent of WoW... you have about 10 dungeons in this range, and don´t even ask because of landmass.
But you don´t even want some different bosses, who might drop fine loot, you go straight to the epic questlines with the good rewards. And that´s okay and understandable. I mean give a gun to a monkey and the being shots someone, then it is not the monkey´s fault.

I believe, the devs made a mistake here. To make a big part of the world obsolete, to make many diplomacy quests useless, to... yes, the fine crafting.

MY EXPERIENCE REACHES ONLY UNTIL ABOUT LEVEL 20. So if the game after this drastically changes, then I might be fking wrong.

Solude

Um the URT missions are solo chains that take you EVERYWHERE you can level in Thestra for those levels.  Hunter's quests are solo to start, group to end that take you to different areas and dungeons.  Its not making content obsolete its pulling you through it.  Without them you'd be in Veskal/Qa River until everything was grey and looking to the Hero call quest for your next hub.

I did the whole URT line, got me to 21 I think.  Now finishing the Hunters ones at 25, might even be 26 by the time I get the weapon.  Also have to advance the shadow mount quest line, and its a monster, by 30.  Thats a game full of content right there if you follow it.  Keep in mind that with mentoring, theres nothing stopping you from having a go at it later.  At 20-30 there are 20? dungeons for groups.  No way you do them all.

Bannne

Originally posted by Solude

Um the URT missions are solo chains that take you EVERYWHERE you can level in Thestra for those levels.  Hunter's quests are solo to start, group to end that take you to different areas and dungeons.  Its not making content obsolete its pulling you through it.  Without them you'd be in Veskal/Qa River until everything was grey and looking to the Hero call quest for your next hub.

I did the whole URT line, got me to 21 I think.  Now finishing the Hunters ones at 25, might even be 26 by the time I get the weapon.  Also have to advance the shadow mount quest line, and its a monster, by 30.  Thats a game full of content right there if you follow it.  Keep in mind that with mentoring, theres nothing stopping you from having a go at it later.  At 20-30 there are 20? dungeons for groups.  No way you do them all.

You right  and after Hunters League you players can go do TK or CIS which both have great rewards, i prefer CIS because you can also work on your panther mask clicky that has a buff that turns you in to a panther with speed buff as well. From their he can go into the river valley and do some great quests in that wonderful area.

River Valley, the tunnel that leads to this place is where you will get panther mask http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_JFrW_dQRPM

http://vanguardvault.ign.com/View.php?view=PlayerJournals.Detail&id=5

TK= Ruins of Trengal Keep 20-30 Level

CIS= Coterie Infineum - Infinium Plateau= 22-25 Level

CIS= Coterie Infineum - Infinium Sanctuary= 25-30 This has some awesome Red Weapon/Armour Rewards-Kill Kronos The Ageless One

I think many people just can't get their heads around everything not being handed to you on a plate in Vanguard, you really have to search out the Dungeons, their are loads.

This is an old list, their are more now and this does not include overland raid bosses or mount quests.

 

Thestra	Tursh Village	Rindol Storehouse	4	8	Brownies, rats, beetles
Thestra	Bordinar's Cleft	Oathbreaker (Red Swallow) Caves	6	10	Dwarves
Thestra	Dahknarg	Blood Howler`s Cave	7	11	Gnolls
Thestra	Leth Nurae	Arcanium	7	12
Thestra	Tursh Village	Riftseeker`s Torrent	8	15	Humanoids, Undead,brownies, beasts, hobgoblins, elementals
Thestra	Veskal`s Exchange	Spider Caves West	10	14	Spiders
Thestra	Vault of Heros	Cave of the Urugog	10	14	Trolls, Bears
Thestra	Vault of Heros	Vault of Heros	10	15	Gnolls, Humanoids
Thestra	Three Rivers	Khegor`s End	13	18	Spiders, Dwarves
Thestra	Veskals Exchange	Achlatan Spider Caves	14	18	Spiders, Ettercap
Thestra	Kaons Rush	Fallen Lyceum	16	22	Formerly known as Elven Magic School
Thestra	Three Rivers	Stonesmasher Enclave	16	22	Bugbears
Thestra	Silverlake	Cairnsworth Hall	17	24	Humanoids
Thestra	Misthaven Crossing	Veshkas Monastery	18	18	Cemetery next to Monastery with group mobs
Thestra	Shoreline Ruins	Charbrook Keep	18	18
Thestra	Bordinars Cleft	Crypts of the Cleft	18	24	Buggy, unkown ending
Thestra	Misthaven Crossing	Hilsbury Manor	18	25	Undead
Thestra	Forest`s Edge	Hive of Zihurr	20	25
Thestra	Coastal Graveyard	Remains of Castle Landsview	20	25	Undead
Thestra	Ruins of Trengal Keep	Ruins of Trengal Keep	22	30	Undead Orcs and Goblins, Drakes, Meteors
Thestra	Falgorholm	Falgorholm City	26	30	Giants
Thestra	Tree of Sorrow	Grotto of the Eyeless	30	35	Undead
Thestra	Southern Stonespine Ridge	Calighata Sanctuary	30	35
Thestra	Spire Keep	Spire Keep	30	35	Undead
Thestra	Ruins of Vol Tuniel	Ruins of Vol Tuniel	30	35	Troglodytes, Salamanders, Rotblood Lizardmen(inside)
Thestra	Tree of Sorrow	Stonehide Gulch	30	35	Lizard men, Trolls
Thestra	Tree of Sorrow	Vortul Caves	30	35	Lizard men
Thestra	Tree of Sorrow	Grilock Tunnels	30	35	Hobgoblins
Thestra	Ruins of Southwatch	Cave of the Rogarn	30	35
Thestra	Dargun`s Tomb	Dargun`s Tomb	30	43	Gnolls, Ogres
Thestra	Thelaseen	Thelaseen: Lair of the Drake Riders	35	40	The robots near the entrance are 35 while the humanoids and drakes inside are 36+.
Thestra	Frostshard Lake	Stonefist Scarp	35	40	Ogres
Thestra	Eastpoint	Den of the Varru	35	40	Gnolls
Thestra	Eastpoint	Dojaa's Stronghold	35	40	Ogres
Thestra	Fallen Cove	Poisonous Caverns	40	45	Salamanders
Thestra	Northern Highlands	Blood Seeker Den	40	45	Bees
Thestra	Old Targonor	Old Targonor	40	45	Undead
Thestra	Northern Highlands	Retreat of the Unseeing Eye	40	45	Humanoids
Thestra	Ancient Port Warehouse	Ancient Port Warehouse	50	50	Mermen

 

Qalia Dungeons

Find dungeons for all levels in Qalia

Continentt	Chunk/Zone name	Dungeon name	Low Level	High Level	Mob Notes
Qalia	Pankor Zhi	Rockspine Lair	5	9
Qalia	Khal	Ksaravi Hollow	7	11	Lizardmens
Qalia	Mekalia	Library of Mekalia	7	11	Gnome
Qalia	Lomshir	The Serpent of Sihari	8	11	Boat dungeon, undead
Qalia	Lomshir Plains	Lair of the Green Witch	9	12	Ents, Ants
Qalia	Hathor Zhi	Aeokor Zhi	9	12	Dark Elves, Wyrm
Qalia	Qa Riverbank	Azbaji Hive	10	15	Wasps galore
Qalia	Jharru Flats	Kharrus Farrel	12	16	3 dots progressing to 4 dots. NOT ITEMIZED
Qalia	Lomshir Plains	Haekemesh Excavation	12	16	Humanoids. 4 dots from the start
Qalia	Temple of Dailuk	Scorpion cave	13	17	Scorpions etc
Qalia	Ksaravi Gulch	Ksaravi Gulch	15	20	Ksaravi, Rats, Wyrms
Qalia	Tauthien Delta	Chrysol Mines	16	20	Gnomes
Qalia	Temple of Dailuk	Temple of Dailuk	16	22
Qalia	Skrillien Point	Imanjul Sacellum	18	23	Ghouls, Beetles
Qalia	Skrillien Point	Cyclop's Tower	20	24	Cyclops
Qalia	Skrillien Point	Kalendra's Coven	20	25	Humanoids
Qalia	Skawlra Rock	Skawlra Rock	20	26	Crowd control is definitely needed
Qalia	Hags Coastline	Grotto of the Sea Hags	21	26	Grotto can be entered at Hags Coastline chunk via a boat wreck up on cliffs, it is mostly a challenging 3-4 dot mob dungeon
Qalia	Coterie Infineum	Infinium Plateau	22	25
Qalia	Coterie Infineum	Infinium Sanctury	25	30
Qalia	Strand of the Ancients	The Pantheon of the Ancients	27	31
Qalia	Karrus Hakrel	Karrus Erris	34	36
Qalia	Karrus Hakrel	Karrus Anjir	34	36
Qalia	River Palace	River Palace	34	36	Humanoids
Qalia	Karrus Hakrel	Karrus Hakrel	36	40

 

Kojan Dungeons

Find dungeons for all levels on the Kojani islands

Continenttt	Chunk/Zone name	Dungeon name	Low Level	High Level	Mob Notes
Kojan	Tanvu	RaJin Stronghold	8	11	Humanoids
Kojan	Jalen`s Crossing	Jalen`s Crossing	9	11	Gremlins, Bats
Kojan	Cliffside Ruins	Asylum	10	13	Raki, Elves
Kojan	Tanvu-Magi Stronghold	Magi Stronghold	10	15
Kojan	Martok	Gardens of Xia liu	10	16
Kojan	Magi Hold	Magi Hold	11	18	Humanoids
Kojan	Temple of Ghalnn	Temple of Ghalnn	12	15	Humanoids
Kojan	Temple of Ghalnn	Fortress of Martok	12	18	Humanoids
Kojan	Central Martok	The Flower Palace	13	17	Humanoids
Kojan	Lord Tsang`s Tomb	Lord Tsang`s Tomb	20	25	Undead
Kojan	Cliffside Ruins	The Fallen Kingdom of the Ulvari	45	50

Knupps

I agree 100%. These questlines were a terrible idea.

At his level range, it is just nearly impossible to find a group who's not either on URT or HL.

And both questlines are everything but fun. It's just a mix of running around, killing masses of the same mobs and of course all the waiting for repops since questitems mostly don't even drop for the whole grp. And since there are so many subquests, you won't just easily find a group which is on the same step - instead you will find yourself redoing earlier parts to get the other teammates on the same step. These questlines can in no way be considered as a fun experience to a newcomer.

Yet the rewards of the questlines make any dungeon crawl at the early level a total waste of time - both xp and (especially) loot wise. There is just no dungeonloot which even comes close to the endrewards...

And this is a shame, since Vanguard offers one the finest, deepest dungeon crawls. Especially at the early levels. There are like ~15 dungeons for lvl 10-25 alone. But good luck trying to find a grp that is motivated enough to check out a dungeon with you instead of continuing with their questlines.

And it's a HUGE difference if a newcomer gets to see Riftseeker's Torrent -> Kheghor's End -> Hilsbury Manor -> Ruins of TK on his way to lvl ~25, or if he went through URT -> HL instead...

Zeletor

Originally posted by Knupps

I agree 100%. These questlines were a terrible idea.

At his level range, it is just nearly impossible to find a group who's not either on URT or HL.

And both questlines are everything but fun. It's just a mix of running around, killing masses of the same mobs and of course all the waiting for repops since questitems mostly don't even drop for the whole grp. And since there are so many subquests, you won't just easily find a group which is on the same step - instead you will find yourself redoing earlier parts to get the other teammates on the same step. These questlines can in no way be considered as a fun experience to a newcomer.

Yet the rewards of the questlines make any dungeon crawl at the early level a total waste of time - both xp and (especially) loot wise. There is just no dungeonloot which even comes close to the endrewards...

And this is a shame, since Vanguard offers one the finest, deepest dungeon crawls. Especially at the early levels. There are like ~15 dungeons for lvl 10-25 alone. But good luck trying to find a grp that is motivated enough to check out a dungeon with you instead of continuing with their questlines.

And it's a HUGE difference if a newcomer gets to see Riftseeker's Torrent -> Kheghor's End -> Hilsbury Manor -> Ruins of TK on his way to lvl ~25, or if he went through URT -> HL instead...

This is true, but if you're really interested in seeing content and not simply a "rush-to-end-game"*, there's always that -100% experience buff.

 

*(If that's your goal, you might want to rethink why you're playing Vanguard and not some other game, because Vanguard is the game where you can play for months and not hit max level or end game and still have a full rewarding experience all along the way).

 

I do remember going through the dungeons on my Psi at launch and having a really awesome time. The necro and DK I've rolled since coming back I've done the URT and HL lines, and have to say it was less fulfilling of an experience, even if it did provide better loot.

 

But hey, Vanguard is nothing if it's not a game with options, right?

Knupps

Originally posted by Zeletor

Originally posted by Knupps

I agree 100%. These questlines were a terrible idea.

At his level range, it is just nearly impossible to find a group who's not either on URT or HL.

And both questlines are everything but fun. It's just a mix of running around, killing masses of the same mobs and of course all the waiting for repops since questitems mostly don't even drop for the whole grp. And since there are so many subquests, you won't just easily find a group which is on the same step - instead you will find yourself redoing earlier parts to get the other teammates on the same step. These questlines can in no way be considered as a fun experience to a newcomer.

Yet the rewards of the questlines make any dungeon crawl at the early level a total waste of time - both xp and (especially) loot wise. There is just no dungeonloot which even comes close to the endrewards...

And this is a shame, since Vanguard offers one the finest, deepest dungeon crawls. Especially at the early levels. There are like ~15 dungeons for lvl 10-25 alone. But good luck trying to find a grp that is motivated enough to check out a dungeon with you instead of continuing with their questlines.

And it's a HUGE difference if a newcomer gets to see Riftseeker's Torrent -> Kheghor's End -> Hilsbury Manor -> Ruins of TK on his way to lvl ~25, or if he went through URT -> HL instead...

This is true, but if you're really interested in seeing content and not simply a "rush-to-end-game"*, there's always that -100% experience buff.

 

*(If that's your goal, you might want to rethink why you're playing Vanguard and not some other game, because Vanguard is the game where you can play for months and not hit max level or end game and still have a full rewarding experience all along the way).

 

I do remember going through the dungeons on my Psi at launch and having a really awesome time. The necro and DK I've rolled since coming back I've done the URT and HL lines, and have to say it was less fulfilling of an experience, even if it did provide better loot.

 

But hey, Vanguard is nothing if it's not a game with options, right?

 

Hm yes but even if a newcomer is interested in seeing some other parts of the game, he will have a hard time finding a group to go through anything else but URT and HL.

But even with solutions not to outlevel the toon (like the mentioned -100% xp), the main problem still remains: Poor questlines which make a very fun and much more challenging content a waste of time, xp and lootwise. And since the majority of players want to progress, it will be very hard to get a grp together for actual dungeoncrawls.

As a result, regular newcomers won't ever come to see any of the low level dungeons. Their experience will be based on two very poor and annoying questlines, which can (quite understandably) lead to quit posts like the one of the OP.

These two questlines just draw a very wrong picture of Vanguard, since this game has much more to offer in the early levels. And it's just stupid to hide all this by making URT/HL much higher rewarding than anything else.

Alyvian

quite honestly i never had much trouble finding a group for any dungeon how remote it may be or how insigificant in the big scheme. Plenty of people dont do URT or HL cause they are boring.