One thing I hadn't realised till I read some of the posts here is that Blizzard is holding all the cards. WoW is bringing in vast ammounts of revenue every day. They are looking for increased growth but ultimately are sitting firmly at the top of the market and can launch their expansion whenever it most suits them. They are controlled by investors saying we need you to release cause they are already bringing in the money as opposed to a game in develpoment.
While on the other hand companies like Bioware are pouring huge amounts of cash into upcomming MMO's like ToR with no subscription base and no income all hoping for a big pay day. I think EA said that ToR would need 2 million subs to make a profit. The longer they delay or postpone to avoid being crushed by cataclysm the more investment is pourted into the product with no return. And at the same time the more dated the game can look even on launch day. I'm sure many people have seen the stylised graphics of ToR, when compared to what we saw of the (hopefully) video from the up coming World of Darkness game there is a clear winner for which one looks better. And the same goes for user interface and skill/level progression. I have high hopes for WoD, Warhammer 40k, Elder Scrolls, Fallout Online, The Secret world. So many great titles seem to be coming out that if ToR does delay to avoid clashing with Cataclysm it is liable to look like a wow clone compared to the future generation of MMOs.
I am keen to see how EA and BW will respond to this recent turn of events. After all EA saw something similar happen to WAR with the WotLK expansion and I doubt they will want to take the chance again.
Aion, Warhammer, etc etc already killed WOW. But apparently SW:TOR, GW2, and FF14 are gonna kill it even more!
Yeah, back to reality... I'll wait till those games are actually out and see how they are. I've learned my lesson, I don't buy into hype.
Neither do I . But also I don't buy into all the negative hype by people who are ardent fans of WoW . I'll make my own mind up when the game is released . I think FF14 may have trouble attracting people away from WoW as i believe it has either no or very limited pvp options . GW2 if it follows the same buisness model as the first one would be a game a lot of WoW player would play as a second mmo . StarWarsTOR is a different story though , its a popular franchise and it is being developed by a company with one of the best records for producing decent games . Even if it is the next big mmo it wont kill WoW there will be still plenty of people playing it because a) they ve invested time in it and b) WoW plays on pretty much any PC . Theres no need to be frightened of a litte competition . Warcraft does'nt need to maintain 10 million + subs to be successful . It was a far better game than it is now when it had 3 million and it will be again once its popularity starts to wain a bit .
Blizzard isn't stupid. They've been at the MMO business for a while now. They know better than to offer us nothing to tide us over until Failaclysm finally rears it's head at us.
Blizzard's Frank Pearce sat down with the folks of VG247 in a recent interview to discuss the upcoming release of Starcraft II and all other things Blizzard. Tucked away at the bottom of the interview was a comment that may have implied that Cataclysm could miss a 2010 release, something most WoW fans expect as a certainty at this point.
VG247: But Cataclysm [new WoW expansion] is set for release in 2010, so that should be out by the end of the year, yes?
Frank Pearce: Hopefully. If it’s ready. If not, then we’ll hold onto it. [Grins].
Sure, everyone knows the old adage of "when it's ready" that Blizzard strictly follows, but it's still surprising to hear that there is a chance Cataclysm may not make it for 2010.
I'm not trying to make this sound ambiguous but I'm not too surprised if Cata does not come out in 2010 since Cata is still in the friends and family beta stage. I have seen three friends at work play the beta so far and the game is very far from being completed, atleast to the standard that The Burning Crusade and the Wrath of the Lich King were. Also, they are making everything flight accessible which is fucking crazy to see. Orgrimmar is HUGE now. All the buildings are taller now. However, there's a lot of content missing. They don't even have maps of the areas in and you figured that would be easy to implement. I mean I guess if Mythic was running the show, it would be out in a few weeks (I kid, I kid) but from what I can tell, the game is very much a rough sketch and not refined at all. Yes, Blizzard definitely needs time to polish this gem.
I will say that the stuff I have seen has made me already decide to get Cata when it comes out.
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc. We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be. So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away. - MMO_Doubter
Best Buy Online has the Release DATE set for Oct. 2010
Amazon is still listing the release date to be Fall/Winter 2010.
They are just retail outlets that put an online order pre-order option up, it has nothing to do with an actual Blizzard release. As I said before due to the timing of SC 2 release and the fact that Blizzard haven't started their usual opt-in open beta yet it is looking more and more like end of 2010/start of 2011 for Cataclysm. In terms of other relases for Blizzard in 2011 we are probably talking SC2 expansions, and I'll bet you anything Diablo 3 becomes a 2012 game. Of course at things like Blizzcon you will see small playable betas of forthcoming games titles, but let's be realistic folks Blizzard are slow and they protect their cash cow game titles this way.
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Best Buy Online has the Release DATE set for Oct. 2010
Amazon is still listing the release date to be Fall/Winter 2010.
One thing I hadn't realised till I read some of the posts here is that Blizzard is holding all the cards. WoW is bringing in vast ammounts of revenue every day. They are looking for increased growth but ultimately are sitting firmly at the top of the market and can launch their expansion whenever it most suits them. They are controlled by investors saying we need you to release cause they are already bringing in the money as opposed to a game in develpoment.
While on the other hand companies like Bioware are pouring huge amounts of cash into upcomming MMO's like ToR with no subscription base and no income all hoping for a big pay day. I think EA said that ToR would need 2 million subs to make a profit. The longer they delay or postpone to avoid being crushed by cataclysm the more investment is pourted into the product with no return. And at the same time the more dated the game can look even on launch day. I'm sure many people have seen the stylised graphics of ToR, when compared to what we saw of the (hopefully) video from the up coming World of Darkness game there is a clear winner for which one looks better. And the same goes for user interface and skill/level progression. I have high hopes for WoD, Warhammer 40k, Elder Scrolls, Fallout Online, The Secret world. So many great titles seem to be coming out that if ToR does delay to avoid clashing with Cataclysm it is liable to look like a wow clone compared to the future generation of MMOs.
I am keen to see how EA and BW will respond to this recent turn of events. After all EA saw something similar happen to WAR with the WotLK expansion and I doubt they will want to take the chance again.
Neither do I . But also I don't buy into all the negative hype by people who are ardent fans of WoW . I'll make my own mind up when the game is released . I think FF14 may have trouble attracting people away from WoW as i believe it has either no or very limited pvp options . GW2 if it follows the same buisness model as the first one would be a game a lot of WoW player would play as a second mmo . StarWarsTOR is a different story though , its a popular franchise and it is being developed by a company with one of the best records for producing decent games . Even if it is the next big mmo it wont kill WoW there will be still plenty of people playing it because a) they ve invested time in it and b) WoW plays on pretty much any PC . Theres no need to be frightened of a litte competition . Warcraft does'nt need to maintain 10 million + subs to be successful . It was a far better game than it is now when it had 3 million and it will be again once its popularity starts to wain a bit .
No need there's more content they plan to update with such as Ruby Sanctum
Blizzard isn't stupid. They've been at the MMO business for a while now. They know better than to offer us nothing to tide us over until Failaclysm finally rears it's head at us.
I'm not trying to make this sound ambiguous but I'm not too surprised if Cata does not come out in 2010 since Cata is still in the friends and family beta stage. I have seen three friends at work play the beta so far and the game is very far from being completed, atleast to the standard that The Burning Crusade and the Wrath of the Lich King were. Also, they are making everything flight accessible which is fucking crazy to see. Orgrimmar is HUGE now. All the buildings are taller now. However, there's a lot of content missing. They don't even have maps of the areas in and you figured that would be easy to implement. I mean I guess if Mythic was running the show, it would be out in a few weeks (I kid, I kid) but from what I can tell, the game is very much a rough sketch and not refined at all. Yes, Blizzard definitely needs time to polish this gem.
I will say that the stuff I have seen has made me already decide to get Cata when it comes out.
Cataclysm will come out in 2012
I see what you did there, Timmy.
That is exactly right, and we're not saying NO to save WoW, because it is already a lost cause. We are saying NO to dissuade the next group of greedy suits who decide to emulate Blizzard and Cryptic, etc.
We can prevent some of the future games from spewing this crap, but the sooner we start saying no, the better the results will be.
So - Stand up, pull up your pants, and walk away.
- MMO_Doubter
They are just retail outlets that put an online order pre-order option up, it has nothing to do with an actual Blizzard release. As I said before due to the timing of SC 2 release and the fact that Blizzard haven't started their usual opt-in open beta yet it is looking more and more like end of 2010/start of 2011 for Cataclysm. In terms of other relases for Blizzard in 2011 we are probably talking SC2 expansions, and I'll bet you anything Diablo 3 becomes a 2012 game. Of course at things like Blizzcon you will see small playable betas of forthcoming games titles, but let's be realistic folks Blizzard are slow and they protect their cash cow game titles this way.
Beta opt in for cataclysm started about a month ago.
hmmm cata will probebly released on indeed afher some other games with high expectations.
sadly thay did this to with warhammer
warhammer was released to early
so wow killed war
Eventough war is alot better game then wow much more fun to play
if ur not playing alone
just sayed it