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Let's be honest here if Bioware shown a large amount of it's multiplayer aspects first instead of it's borderline single-player aspects we wouldn't have even half of the moaning we currently have. Either the PR department completely dropped the ball and didn't see this inevitable outcome or the developers messed up and it wasn't the PR's fault at all because the vast majority of the games "innovative" features that separate it from other games is it's story and voice overs etc with everything else being mediocre meaning if they had shown those features first the moaning would have been even worse.
Of course there's a third option which is they didn't want to show the multiplayer aspects because they weren't ready yet but this heavily hints towards the latter because if the multiplayer part was so important why is the borderline single player areas the only parts viewable to the public yet barely none of the supposedly "important" multiplayer aspects are.
I'm really hoping for the former because I really want this to be a great game but the fact of the matter is if Bioware had released the multiplayer aspects of this game first we wouldn't be stuck with this luke-warm feeling of hype we have now. Either way somebody messed up.
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I disagree there would of being bitching and moaning no matter what parts of their game they released info on first.It would of jsut been a few different people dong the crying and more likely some of the same people.That's just th emorm on any interent forum but especially this one.
Okay Mr.AssumeAlot, someone messed up on a game that me, you, or any orther outside source has played on their computers. Someone messed up on the point that we know that its multiplayer considering it's an MMO. So Bioware decidesd to, I don't know, maybe advertise the strong aspects of the game of which seperate it apart from (most) everything. I am sorry, but you show nothing to back this up and clearly do not show much of a reason to assume that someone dropped the ball.
Pepsi1028
PEPSI!!!!!
Get out of your box already...
I think its pretty safe to say there would be vast amounts moaning no matter what they said...
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Drak beat me
But... but I don't understand. I want to hear about what TOR has in common with 99% of other MMOs out there, not what they're trying to do differently. I'm not alone, either. I have a huge, HUGE group of people who think like me (though I can't prove that fact). So yeah. BioWare messed up.
Everyone is passing judgement on current under development games without knowing even 10% of the package.
Just wayt atleast for the first leacked beta reports before trying to pass judgement on a game..
A game is not a list or collection of feautures. A game is a set of wellballanced feautures where every single feauture adds to the others, so people passing judgement have no clue at all.
Best MMO experiences : EQ(PvE), DAoC(PvP), WoW(total package) LOTRO (worldfeel) GW2 (Artstyle and animations and worlddesign) SWTOR (Story immersion) TSW (story) ESO (character advancement)
Isn't computer humor the best? I almost replied about to explode on him, until I realized it wasn't him that replied. Your sarcasm actually proves a point though
Pepsi1028
PEPSI!!!!!
Get out of your box already...
They already stated in an interview, they are focusing on things that are 110% ready to go. They also mentioned they are focused on what's different in their MMO then all the others. Otherwise they could have called this "World Of Ever Rings of Conan's Warhammer". They mentioned in a few interviews, that their game will have everything a normal triple A MMO has. End game raiding, pvp, pve, crafting, etc.
Do I want to hear what they are doing differently? Well duh! Do I wanna know about those things that every normal triple A MMO has? Of course, because it will have a different spin on it. If we are in pre order closed beta/Open beta and we have no concrete info, then I think it's time to go crazy. But the game is a year away....I know patience is a hard thing to come by, but jeeze. The game is not due out soon.
GW2 was supposed to be in beta last year. We know as little if not less about that game too, and it's predicted now to release around the same time. Why are so few people going crazy about that? What about TERA?
*tips hat*
I'm just looking forward to the new wave of negativity when we get closer to launch and more information is released. It's bad now, but almost everything is speculation. The hype has died down (until E3) and neither trolls nor fanbots have new arguments. Oh well, I guess we could still go over the features list with a fine-tooth comb and nitpick at anything that we think sounds funny.
Swanea - sarcasm!
I'd play WoERoCW.
Of course there would have been moaning but the point of a PR team is to minimise the amount by a considerable degree. Instead they've added gasoline to the fire. You can't deny that they would have been better off releaising decent multiplayer information than the ones stuff they've given out currently?
I mean everyone knows they were going to add good single players aspects to this game what people wanted to know was what multiplayer aspects they were going to bring as well. It's better off to begin with what people weren't expecting you to bring than what you were and leaving a long hiatus until you release the rest.
SE hasn't shown anything about it's grouping aspects in XIV and the game is in Alpha and around 7 months from release. This is from a company that prefers grouping over everything. TOR is still over a year away.
Basically what i'm saying is, sit back and relax and don't get over hyped. Expect the worst, as i always do, and you won't get disappointed. If it is what you think it is in a year, then don't play it.
At this point, they could still be working on things and do not want to show it yet. We do not know if they dropped the ball or not yet. I just think they want to show their standout features first to get the hype up, then they will release what we all know will be in the game near the release to seal the deal....
Pepsi1028
PEPSI!!!!!
Get out of your box already...
The point is for an mmo shouldn't those things be at least equally important to the story features meaning shouldn't they both be used to gather hype at first?
BioWare's PR is "we'll tell you when we think it's ready." It's no surprise that they focused on the story element first; not only does it separate TOR from most other MMOs, but it's also what BioWare does best. Maybe they have new ideas about other MMO features as well, but they want to make sure they like what they have before they tell us. Maybe they're withholding information as long as possible so that competitors can't copy their plans (I'm lookin' at YOU, Blizzard). Maybe this is all controlled, and they're only giving us crumbs to nibble on so that we're starving when they bring out the turkey. Whatever the case, I still stick with "we'll tell you when we think it's ready." BioWare doesn't have to build hype like other, lesser-known companies do. They're BioWare. Players will build the hype for them.
Well i for one believe that Bioware is actually doing quite fine in the PR department...Why?
...the hype this game is getting is stagering regardeles of which side of the argument people choose to be...
...giving out information when its ready is actually a good and quite honest way of dealing with customers which lacks in todays game market where stuff is pushed and then reworked and versioned...
...highlithing what developer feels is the improvement, innovation and in this case their trademark in regards to todays game MMO market offering seems quite a logical step and by all means doesnt exclude other features specific to the genre ...
I am actually looking forward for any new information that comes along and feel a bit saddened that patience is something quite lacking in people today.
I know but people expect grouping features from SE people have no idea what Biowares grouping features are likely to be which has contributed to the mass moaning of this being a "single player" game. Bioware should be proving people wrong not proving people right.
Yep. Noobs to the genre will probably disagree, but with 5 years and counting of mundane, themepark, heavily instanced, non-immersive, linear quest 'x' marks the spot heavy, single-player emphasis mmo's that have seen their subscription-base plummet 2-months post launch to levels that could never be sustained, the reality-based observations are justified.
So why the emphasis on single-player game-play mechanics?
Hmmm not just any SP mechanic...Bioware specific SP mechanic in SW universe...something not quite established in MMOs...
Because so very many people enjoy the ability to play solo if they want to? When their friends or guild members aren't on, do you wish to force them to do something they don't enjoy? Forcing people into a certain thing under a very common circumstance isn't good. Forcing people to solo when they want to play with friends is just as bad.
At what point have the showed anything here that is Forced solo play? Everything I've seen has shown that you can group with someone to do. Even the story "flashpoints" (The attack on the ship). Would you prefer a game where the only way to level is to group? How many people would enjoy that?
Having the option to play how you want is some sort of terrible thing here on this forum? Options are great for a game that wants a lot of subs. Having an opinion on this forum is great, but calling options to play in a group or solo a bad design decision doesn't make much sense.
And yeah Comnitsum(I most likely mispelt that), I know. Just there ARE people on this forum that believe it.
I'm not arguing that soloing or story is a bad thing etc. I'm saying those things are naturally expected in a Bioware mmo. Shouldn't they have shown things that weren't expected in a Bioware mmo, things that are also different to other things in the genre?
Wouldn't that have been better recieved than things we assumed would be in the game anyway?
Sometimes a little hype wont hurt, as long as you keep your expectations at a reasonable level. Sometimes people let speculation go to there head on information not released, and what once started out as a simple idea gets blown up into what they was expecting it to be implemented into the game.
Oh and nice picture in your signature, only 3 more episodes left : )
Yup, the bitches are going to do what they always do: Bitch about it.
It's funny how people have "fixes' for those problem with so little info on the whole game.
I love the it's all about me post give me information now I demand it. Another pointless post with pointless replies.
Bioware have a stated approach to releasing information with respect to innovations they feel sets their game appart and when they feel features are 101% complete. They seem consistent in this approach and have been generous in releasing info free of charge for a game still in development.
I feel for people with no patience, standard features are just that grouping PvP/PvE/ Crafting and we can go on and on.
Ranting posts which start with "lets be honest" are amusing , as is this post.
Bioware have been nothing but professional and consistent in the way they have delivered within a development phase , as they always are and I see no reason that they will not deliver on standard MMO features. Whatever they deliver most here will not be satisfied, but then monorities always need to shout out loud.
When the game goes into Beta or Release we may have good reason to have this discussion , but not now just pointless.
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First of all, I have to ask... Are you a damn fool? Of course there would be just as much complaining, it would just be about different stuff. You have to understand, Bioware + Star Wars = big. Big + MMO = bitching, and lots of it. Second, I'm pretty sure that the first video ever released about SWTOR has at least one dev saying, and I paraquote, "This is primarily a story-based PvE game, if you don't like that there are other games that focus on PvP." NOTICE: I am not stating that is right or wrong and I don't care one way or the other whether anybody likes it or whatever. I don't have enough interest in the game's success or failure to care (other than my 6 shares of EA stock of course).
Maybe because they arent ready to release that information yet..
Maybe their multiplayer aspect isn't set in stone yet, perhaps they are still debating wether they want their raids to consist of 20 or 19 players.. Because if they announce its 20 players now, and then decided because of balance, 19 people would be better, then entire forums would explode because 19 is not nearly enough..
just as an example.
Sometimes its better to release info when its "done", then when its not. Especially when talking about MMOs, moreso when a game hasn't even hit beta...
just a thought...