Let's face it, F2P with cash malls are the way of the future for MMORPGs.
I won't be suprised if we see more major titles going F2P.
And thus, the spiral of destruction that started with WoW has now seen the death of the MMORPG industry. It was fun for a while, well until 2005 anyway.
OMFG that is the most exciting news I have heard all year. This game is awesome and I have played it a lot but I wanted other options. Now I really have no excuse to jump back into middle earth.
Bend over paid subscribers of LOTRO. You just got the NGE up the butt.
You leveled your toon, and now there's an item shop with xp potions. Woohooo! time to quit and get some butt creme, and rant about how you were screwed hard with no lube.
Anyone ever again going to trust this company and buy a lifetime "subscription"?
You got a life time subscription. To an Item Shop game! Hahahahahahahahahahahaha the jokes on you!
I was directly responding to your post. I forgot to take into account your imporper usage of YOU instead of I.
If you don't like games with XP potions, don't play them. I'm not going to try to convince you that they're good, or bad. Frankly, I don't care. In all honestly, if your attitude is this bad, I don't want you playing the game with me anyway.
Also, as someone else mentioned: Xp potions have been a part of the game since launch through Destiny points. If they were a part of the game before, obviously you aren't playing, so you should be asking yourself why you feel the need to come troll this forum and act like an immature child because YOU don't like something. Ask yourself your same questions. If you don't like XP potions, why are you telling us all that it's the end of the world and the game has become terrible because of something that was already a part of it?
Let's face it, F2P with cash malls are the way of the future for MMORPGs.
I won't be suprised if we see more major titles going F2P.
I think it's important to note that LOTRO is not going free to play, it's adding a free to play option.
There is still a subscription option which is essentially the same as before. Of course, one can spend turbine points for the cash shop items. The points you get for free (well 500 of them at least per month) with your subscription. Or your subscription entitles you to 500 points per month which is probably closer to the truth.
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This came out of left field... then again when I think about it, it's not all that surprising considering how "successful" DDO supposidly became from their switch.
I really don't know what to think. I liked the game, but didn't feel it worth the cost because I play other sub based MMOs currently, so now I could play the game and not worry about the sub. Then again... a huge part of why I liked the game was the community, which sadly, is going to go down the drain very, very fast.
I will also add, This is a (another) very good reason NOT (and never) to buy a Lifetime membership to any MMO
Nothing is changine for lifetime users. So, not sure what you are talking about. We even GET 500 point FREE a month to use in the shop.
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I fail to see how XP potions in the shop are screwing players.
Well, it has no effect at all on players that like games with XP potions. If you think a game is fun when it has XP potions, then this makes the game better for you, and doesn't screw you at all.
But if you don't like XP potions, then of course you are screwed.
Does it matter to you why someone thinks the game is less fun if there is an XP potion in the game?
Can you argue them into having fun playing the game the way you like it?
I think games with XP potions are not fun.
How would I not be screwed if you ad XP potions to my game?
You'd argue me into liking XP potion games?
All the XP potions do is make the game easier to max out and get into end level stuff. Why would it bother anyone if there are XP potions in the game. Most people play games for the story dont they? You can still follow the story of the game with or without XP potions.
I do hope they do and I hope most MMO's are not just about end game.
I will also add, This is a (another) very good reason NOT (and never) to buy a Lifetime membership to any MMO
Again, people can be free to dislike this but people who have puchased the lifetime membership still don't have to pay a subscription fee and remain vip members which is essentially exactly like the subcription model.
The only thing you don't get to do with a lifetime membership is quit in protest.
Like Skyrim? Need more content? Try my Skyrim mod "Godfred's Tomb."
I will also add, This is a (another) very good reason NOT (and never) to buy a Lifetime membership to any MMO
Nothing is changine for lifetime users. So, not sure what you are talking about. We even GET 500 point FREE a month to use in the shop.
What you get, is fake money in an item shop to buy items that you should have been getting as part of the game already. You payed for the subscription fee, the sub fee pays for all the in game content. Now they're holding some of it back and making you pay again.
I have been a lifetime member for several years now and I welcome this change. I have also recently began playing DDO and have seen first hand how turbine handles going F2P and they did a superb job. That game is now full of life with people every where within main hubs. If this move recreates that atmosphere for LOTRO it can only be a benfit.
I understand that this will deteriate the standards of the community LOTRO holds, but I believe that LOTRO fosters a mature community not because it was P2P, but rather the way the game was built. It isn't about having the best gear to run dungeons efficiently, but rather just enjoying your time within the game. Being in a group tbh I have no idea who is pushing the most DPS (we assume it is the huntard) but really have no proof. Just the nature of the beast, either these new comers will enjoy that aspect or grow bored of it and leave.
I will also add, This is a (another) very good reason NOT (and never) to buy a Lifetime membership to any MMO
Nothing is changine for lifetime users. So, not sure what you are talking about. We even GET 500 point FREE a month to use in the shop.
But now you have to put up with all of the 'free' players flooding the servers, spamming chat, and generally acting like idiots.
LOTR:O's community is what I enjoyed about it when I played... I really don't see this lasting with a F2P option.
Then don't play the F2P version. I will replace you then. I am very happy to be able to play some LOTRO for free. In fact, the population is going to go up and it would be much easier to find groups.
I have been a lifetime member for several years now and I welcome this change. I have also recently began playing DDO and have seen first hand how turbine handles going F2P and they did a superb job. That game is now full of life with people every where within main hubs. If this move recreates that atmosphere for LOTRO it can only be a benfit.
I understand that this will deteriate the standards of the community LOTRO holds, but I believe that LOTRO fosters a mature community not because it was P2P, but rather the way the game was built. It isn't about having the best gear to run dungeons efficiently, but rather just enjoying your time within the game. Being in a group tbh I have no idea who is pushing the most DPS (we assume it is the huntard) but really have no proof. Just the nature of the beast, either these new comers will enjoy that aspect or grow bored of it and leave.
It fosters a mature community because of the Lord of the Rings IP. Fans of the books, people who read and are patient joined up. Pre launch, back in the Middle Earth Online days, you couldn't find a better community. Then they made it a WoW clone and the community took a huge hit, but still stayed on the kind of mature side. You can expect that to vanish now.
I will also add, This is a (another) very good reason NOT (and never) to buy a Lifetime membership to any MMO
Nothing is changine for lifetime users. So, not sure what you are talking about. We even GET 500 point FREE a month to use in the shop.
But now you have to put up with all of the 'free' players flooding the servers, spamming chat, and generally acting like idiots.
LOTR:O's community is what I enjoyed about it when I played... I really don't see this lasting with a F2P option.
Then don't play the F2P version. I will replace you then. I am very happy to be able to play some LOTRO for free. In fact, the population is going to go up and it would be much easier to find groups.
You don't need to group in LotRO to do anything anyway. That's why its hard to find groups, not population. It's a solo/instance heavy game. Absolutely no incentive to group, except the occasional boss mob, then after thats dead the groups disband.
Originally posted by Garvon3 Originally posted by RZetlin Let's face it, F2P with cash malls are the way of the future for MMORPGs. I won't be suprised if we see more major titles going F2P.
And thus, the spiral of destruction that started with WoW has now seen the death of the MMORPG industry. It was fun for a while, well until 2005 anyway. . Yeah, since WoW went free to play, now everyone and their brother is going f2p. . DAMN YOU WoW!
I will also add, This is a (another) very good reason NOT (and never) to buy a Lifetime membership to any MMO
Nothing is changine for lifetime users. So, not sure what you are talking about. We even GET 500 point FREE a month to use in the shop.
What you get, is fake money in an item shop to buy items that you should have been getting as part of the game already. You payed for the subscription fee, the sub fee pays for all the in game content. Now they're holding some of it back and making you pay again.
Yeah, not to mention you could be paying $9,90/month before this... I wonder how can it really become a more valuable choice than that, LOTRO for $9,90 a month.
I will also add, This is a (another) very good reason NOT (and never) to buy a Lifetime membership to any MMO
Nothing is changine for lifetime users. So, not sure what you are talking about. We even GET 500 point FREE a month to use in the shop.
What you get, is fake money in an item shop to buy items that you should have been getting as part of the game already. You payed for the subscription fee, the sub fee pays for all the in game content. Now they're holding some of it back and making you pay again.
I have to put in a support ticket for all those xp potions and other items I was suppsoed to be getting for free each month.
If you want all the extras, pay 15 dollars a month. If you don't want or need the extras, it's all FREE. If a player wants a few of the extras he can purchase them. For most players that's going to still come to significantly les than 15 dollars a month. For the people that ARE paying the 15 a month and for the people with the lifetime plan, they now get EXTRA stuff in the form of points each month.
How is this a bad thing? What is being 'held back'?
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I wonder why people view this as a bad thing. There is still a subscription option available for people who want to go F2P. I'm sure a majority of the subscribers will stick around LotRO too, so if you think the community is going down the tube, then stick with the old community who probably will continue playing. I had no interest in playing LotRO before, now I suddenly have renewed interest. That's at least one customer Turbine will likely get.
I hope more MMOs follow suit. As long as you don't make the game revolve around the item shop (I can play DDO just fine without it) then there is nothing I see wrong with this. Sure people who spend a lot of money may have an easier time leveling or getting uber gear, but if you are having fun playing the game for free or with small microtransactions (buying an adventure pack once a month) then you are saving money playing an enjoyable game. Do you really lose out? If you plan on playing the game a lot, buy a subscription.
So much for LotRO community having a great rep. . All kinds of people wander off the Internet into a free game. Criminals, drug abusers, mentally ill, etc
I'm quite okay with this, and I'm a lifetime member. I get 500 points a month to spend in the store for extra storage, maybe extra housing space, and more cosmetic items, while being counted as a "VIP" so that I don't have to spend points to unlock any of the content in game so far. And when they do add in the next big area (Rohan?), I'll have saved up enough points to purchase that too without opening my real-world wallet.
Only downside I forsee is the influx of idiots spamming the starter area chat with garbage. Lorien will seem a serene haven, I'm sure.
It is much too early to tell if this is good or bad. If a future update forces subscribers to purchase items to enhance their gameplay, then they really got scammed. The item mall wouldn't be so bad if the players that purchased subscriptions are able to earn all the item mall items through questing.
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And thus, the spiral of destruction that started with WoW has now seen the death of the MMORPG industry. It was fun for a while, well until 2005 anyway.
OMFG that is the most exciting news I have heard all year. This game is awesome and I have played it a lot but I wanted other options. Now I really have no excuse to jump back into middle earth.
WoW
I did not see this coming.
I wonder if this is the beginning of a cascade of MMOS to follow in response to an increasingly crowded MMO market
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
I was directly responding to your post. I forgot to take into account your imporper usage of YOU instead of I.
If you don't like games with XP potions, don't play them. I'm not going to try to convince you that they're good, or bad. Frankly, I don't care. In all honestly, if your attitude is this bad, I don't want you playing the game with me anyway.
Also, as someone else mentioned: Xp potions have been a part of the game since launch through Destiny points. If they were a part of the game before, obviously you aren't playing, so you should be asking yourself why you feel the need to come troll this forum and act like an immature child because YOU don't like something. Ask yourself your same questions. If you don't like XP potions, why are you telling us all that it's the end of the world and the game has become terrible because of something that was already a part of it?
I think it's important to note that LOTRO is not going free to play, it's adding a free to play option.
There is still a subscription option which is essentially the same as before. Of course, one can spend turbine points for the cash shop items. The points you get for free (well 500 of them at least per month) with your subscription. Or your subscription entitles you to 500 points per month which is probably closer to the truth.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
This came out of left field... then again when I think about it, it's not all that surprising considering how "successful" DDO supposidly became from their switch.
I really don't know what to think. I liked the game, but didn't feel it worth the cost because I play other sub based MMOs currently, so now I could play the game and not worry about the sub. Then again... a huge part of why I liked the game was the community, which sadly, is going to go down the drain very, very fast.
I will also add, This is a (another) very good reason NOT (and never) to buy a Lifetime membership to any MMO
Torrential: DAOC (Pendragon)
Awned: World of Warcraft (Lothar)
Torren: Warhammer Online (Praag)
Nothing is changine for lifetime users. So, not sure what you are talking about. We even GET 500 point FREE a month to use in the shop.
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All the XP potions do is make the game easier to max out and get into end level stuff. Why would it bother anyone if there are XP potions in the game. Most people play games for the story dont they? You can still follow the story of the game with or without XP potions.
I do hope they do and I hope most MMO's are not just about end game.
Again, people can be free to dislike this but people who have puchased the lifetime membership still don't have to pay a subscription fee and remain vip members which is essentially exactly like the subcription model.
The only thing you don't get to do with a lifetime membership is quit in protest.
Godfred's Tomb Trailer: https://youtu.be/-nsXGddj_4w
Original Skyrim: https://www.nexusmods.com/skyrim/mods/109547
Serph toze kindly has started a walk-through. https://youtu.be/UIelCK-lldo
But now you have to put up with all of the 'free' players flooding the servers, spamming chat, and generally acting like idiots.
LOTR:O's community is what I enjoyed about it when I played... I really don't see this lasting with a F2P option.
What you get, is fake money in an item shop to buy items that you should have been getting as part of the game already. You payed for the subscription fee, the sub fee pays for all the in game content. Now they're holding some of it back and making you pay again.
I have been a lifetime member for several years now and I welcome this change. I have also recently began playing DDO and have seen first hand how turbine handles going F2P and they did a superb job. That game is now full of life with people every where within main hubs. If this move recreates that atmosphere for LOTRO it can only be a benfit.
I understand that this will deteriate the standards of the community LOTRO holds, but I believe that LOTRO fosters a mature community not because it was P2P, but rather the way the game was built. It isn't about having the best gear to run dungeons efficiently, but rather just enjoying your time within the game. Being in a group tbh I have no idea who is pushing the most DPS (we assume it is the huntard) but really have no proof. Just the nature of the beast, either these new comers will enjoy that aspect or grow bored of it and leave.
Then don't play the F2P version. I will replace you then. I am very happy to be able to play some LOTRO for free. In fact, the population is going to go up and it would be much easier to find groups.
It fosters a mature community because of the Lord of the Rings IP. Fans of the books, people who read and are patient joined up. Pre launch, back in the Middle Earth Online days, you couldn't find a better community. Then they made it a WoW clone and the community took a huge hit, but still stayed on the kind of mature side. You can expect that to vanish now.
You don't need to group in LotRO to do anything anyway. That's why its hard to find groups, not population. It's a solo/instance heavy game. Absolutely no incentive to group, except the occasional boss mob, then after thats dead the groups disband.
Cash shop, lol?
Sorry for that... but... huh,cash shop?
I peed a little.
I'm so broke. I can't even pay attention.
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Yeah, since WoW went free to play, now everyone and their brother is going f2p.
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DAMN YOU WoW!
Well shave my back and call me an elf! -- Oghren
Yeah, not to mention you could be paying $9,90/month before this... I wonder how can it really become a more valuable choice than that, LOTRO for $9,90 a month.
This actually excites me as i could never get anyone to play this game with me due to them not wanting to have multiple subs going.
I have to put in a support ticket for all those xp potions and other items I was suppsoed to be getting for free each month.
If you want all the extras, pay 15 dollars a month. If you don't want or need the extras, it's all FREE. If a player wants a few of the extras he can purchase them. For most players that's going to still come to significantly les than 15 dollars a month. For the people that ARE paying the 15 a month and for the people with the lifetime plan, they now get EXTRA stuff in the form of points each month.
How is this a bad thing? What is being 'held back'?
There isn't a "right" or "wrong" way to play, if you want to use a screwdriver to put nails into wood, have at it, simply don't complain when the guy next to you with the hammer is doing it much better and easier. - Allein
"Graphics are often supplied by Engines that (some) MMORPG's are built in" - Spuffyre
I wonder why people view this as a bad thing. There is still a subscription option available for people who want to go F2P. I'm sure a majority of the subscribers will stick around LotRO too, so if you think the community is going down the tube, then stick with the old community who probably will continue playing. I had no interest in playing LotRO before, now I suddenly have renewed interest. That's at least one customer Turbine will likely get.
I hope more MMOs follow suit. As long as you don't make the game revolve around the item shop (I can play DDO just fine without it) then there is nothing I see wrong with this. Sure people who spend a lot of money may have an easier time leveling or getting uber gear, but if you are having fun playing the game for free or with small microtransactions (buying an adventure pack once a month) then you are saving money playing an enjoyable game. Do you really lose out? If you plan on playing the game a lot, buy a subscription.
So much for LotRO community having a great rep.
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All kinds of people wander off the Internet into a free game. Criminals, drug abusers, mentally ill, etc
Well shave my back and call me an elf! -- Oghren
I'm quite okay with this, and I'm a lifetime member. I get 500 points a month to spend in the store for extra storage, maybe extra housing space, and more cosmetic items, while being counted as a "VIP" so that I don't have to spend points to unlock any of the content in game so far. And when they do add in the next big area (Rohan?), I'll have saved up enough points to purchase that too without opening my real-world wallet.
Only downside I forsee is the influx of idiots spamming the starter area chat with garbage. Lorien will seem a serene haven, I'm sure.
It is much too early to tell if this is good or bad. If a future update forces subscribers to purchase items to enhance their gameplay, then they really got scammed. The item mall wouldn't be so bad if the players that purchased subscriptions are able to earn all the item mall items through questing.