Oh and don't complain about Turbine focusing on DDO lately; it has been frozen in time for many many months with NO updates of any kind due to the stupid Atari lawsuit. All the while we got nothing in DDO, LOTRO continued to get plenty of updates and perks.
Maybe I am misreading the article or maybe I'm just stupid, but if you are a subscriber (i.e., VIP), nothing changes, right? You still have access to everything you had before, plus you get the points to spend on fluff too, right?
So... if you are subscribing now, and you continue to subscribe, there's no change. If you stop subscribing, you have to pay for the content that subscribers get as part of their fee.
If that's correct, what's all the crying about in this thread? Just keep doing what you are doing now, and the only change is more people to group with and we get faster updates. Where exactly is the downside? I'm not seeing it.
Because they are life time subscribers in a f2p game lol.
Originally posted by Edli Originally posted by Deathstrike2 Maybe I am misreading the article or maybe I'm just stupid, but if you are a subscriber (i.e., VIP), nothing changes, right? You still have access to everything you had before, plus you get the points to spend on fluff too, right? So... if you are subscribing now, and you continue to subscribe, there's no change. If you stop subscribing, you have to pay for the content that subscribers get as part of their fee. If that's correct, what's all the crying about in this thread? Just keep doing what you are doing now, and the only change is more people to group with and we get faster updates. Where exactly is the downside? I'm not seeing it.
Because they are life time subscribers in a f2p game lol.
What? Lifers get permanent VIP access.
"If all you can say is... "It's awful, it's not innovative, it's ugly, it's blah.." Then you're an unimaginative and unpolished excuse for human life" -eburn
nothing funny about being a lifetime subscription holder with it now going f2p; we don't ever have to pay anything and we get access to everything, just as we always have.
Maybe I am misreading the article or maybe I'm just stupid, but if you are a subscriber (i.e., VIP), nothing changes, right? You still have access to everything you had before, plus you get the points to spend on fluff too, right?
So... if you are subscribing now, and you continue to subscribe, there's no change. If you stop subscribing, you have to pay for the content that subscribers get as part of their fee.
If that's correct, what's all the crying about in this thread? Just keep doing what you are doing now, and the only change is more people to group with and we get faster updates. Where exactly is the downside? I'm not seeing it.
Because they are life time subscribers in a f2p game lol.
What? Lifers get permanent VIP access.
Yeah and whats that? Getting stuff that they could had gotten before ingame. Turbine will remove things from the game or make em hard to aquire and then give em to the vips. It's not actually giving, more like taking and giving back.
For all the people who said LotRO subscriptions were oh-so-healthy, you now see how oh-so-wrong you were. Successful subscription games don't go FTP.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
For all the people who said LotRO subscriptions were oh-so-healthy, you now see how oh-so-wrong you were. Successful subscription games don't go FTP.
You're wrong. DDO showed that F2P model that incorporates a P2P option and a Cash shop are MORE profitable.
This is about DDO showing a new model is better than the conventional model. LoTRO was seeing an increase in subscrition numbers prior to the decision to go F2P.
What aversion do people have to reading and thinking, rather than automatic lambasting? Shire, Ered Luin, and Bree-town quests will not have to be bought. It says in several places that those are automatic for free and premium players. People who have already paid to play (even one month of subscribing) will automatically be considered Premium players, and will not lose any gold, items, etc. that they already have. They will, however, need to choose their 3 character slots they'd like to keep (and if I recall correctly, this is 3 character slots *per server*, of which there are several). Honestly, they're not screwing the prior subscribers as bad as some people seem to think.
As for why DDO/LotRO Turbine points don't cross over, that seems to go along with the 'pay to win' idea, except in this case it's 'play x game for 6 months straight to accumulate points, then go buy up all the cool epic shit and stomp newbies on y game'. Does that make some sense to anyone? No? Then please excuse yourself from any future intelligent discussions.
F2p will work better in lotro actually since there isn't pvp in this game. The difference between those who pay and those who don't will not be big. I have a feeling warhammer will be the next to follow but since that game rely heavily on pvp, cash shops might not work so well.
For all the people who said LotRO subscriptions were oh-so-healthy, you now see how oh-so-wrong you were. Successful subscription games don't go FTP.
You're wrong. DDO showed that F2P model that incorporates a P2P option and a Cash shop are MORE profitable.
This is about DDO showing a new model is better than the conventional model. LoTRO was seeing an increase in subscrition numbers prior to the decision to go F2P.
DDO only went free to play because it was either that or die.
Keep telling yourself whatever it takes to make you feel better, though.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.- -And on the 8th day, man created God.-
Maybe I am misreading the article or maybe I'm just stupid, but if you are a subscriber (i.e., VIP), nothing changes, right? You still have access to everything you had before, plus you get the points to spend on fluff too, right?
So... if you are subscribing now, and you continue to subscribe, there's no change. If you stop subscribing, you have to pay for the content that subscribers get as part of their fee.
If that's correct, what's all the crying about in this thread? Just keep doing what you are doing now, and the only change is more people to group with and we get faster updates. Where exactly is the downside? I'm not seeing it.
This seems to be spot on.
The only problem is going to be how Turbine balances the whole thing. What if it comes to a point where your $15 bucks a month is more than the time it takes for the F2P crowd to get the same content by "working" for the points and unlocking the same content that you're paying for.
I actually think the opposite will be true. It's going to be easier just paying the $15 bucks rather than going throught he hassle.
For all the people who said LotRO subscriptions were oh-so-healthy, you now see how oh-so-wrong you were. Successful subscription games don't go FTP.
You're wrong. DDO showed that F2P model that incorporates a P2P option and a Cash shop are MORE profitable.
This is about DDO showing a new model is better than the conventional model. LoTRO was seeing an increase in subscrition numbers prior to the decision to go F2P.
DDO only went free to play because it was either that or die.
Keep telling yourself whatever it takes to make you feel better, though.
What does that matter? Regardless of why it was done, it has still been very successful, and now they are trying to to do the same with another game. You say DDO only went F2P cause it was dying, but it has seena huge turn around... so what do you think a similar F2P model could do for a game that actually is for the most part rather succesful?
Think about it. If dying DDO saw I believe it was like a 500% increase in players and profit from the time they switched to F2P, what would happen if a huge game like WoW did the same? Sure there may be some who would leave it due to the change, but just think if WoW saw anywhere near a 500% increase in profit from the switch, would be insane.
Maybe I am misreading the article or maybe I'm just stupid, but if you are a subscriber (i.e., VIP), nothing changes, right? You still have access to everything you had before, plus you get the points to spend on fluff too, right?
So... if you are subscribing now, and you continue to subscribe, there's no change. If you stop subscribing, you have to pay for the content that subscribers get as part of their fee.
If that's correct, what's all the crying about in this thread? Just keep doing what you are doing now, and the only change is more people to group with and we get faster updates. Where exactly is the downside? I'm not seeing it.
Everything about the game changes. All of a sudden there is an ingame store selling XP pots, Stat pots, Loot boosters, Res pots, Food buffs etc, etc, etc.
So imagine the scenario, you're invited to a raid and the leader asks 'Has everyone got the Ubber l33t healing pot ?'. 'No' you reply, 'you can only get them on the ingame store and I've used up my 500 points'. 'Oh well, maybe next time' you hear, as they kick you from the group.
So yeah, this game will change fundamentally. Now it's one thing to have no problem with these changes, thats ok. But for anyone to suggest the game will be exactly the same as it is now is just plain silly imho. You cannot tell me that the games company will be able to resist tweaking standard XP gain down in order to sell a few more XP pots for example!
Exactly. Except it's quite possible (as it is in most F2P games) that the Uber l33t healing pot is necessary to do the raid in question. As are all the buffs you get from the various potions.
But Turbine is as pure as the driven snow. They'd never stoop to such things. Especially when they have an easy to exploit mechanic already in place. Radiance potions, anyway?
Good post! I see your post history is nothing but GW and GW2 obvious who has to depend on mommy and daddy still to play online do they pay for your internet as well or just your f2p games after the initial 20 bucks?
My dear Bambi! Are we still going? Do not degrade someone because they do not have money and you do. That is not right. GW is a GREAT game and GW2 will be an awesome game. I've got GW and I am getting GW2 and no, my mommy and daddy aren't paying for anything. Get OVER yourself. You are no better than those trolls who will show up on LOTRO when it goes F2P, actually you are worse than those trolls, I can stand them. It is people like you who I can't stand.
I'm not sure but can someone tell me if they will be doing a wipe when it goes f2p of all the current subscriber's characters? If not or if they are can you please provide a link
Wow.. I'm surprised. I stopped playing LotRO awhile back but it's way too good and solid to be F2P.. I think this game will change the stimga associated with being F2P because it's an uber solid game. I for one.. will probably go back to this MMO as I wait for Guild Wars 2 and Final Fantasy XIV once LotRO is free to play...
There is hardly no reason not to try it if you haven't. And even if you have you might want to install it for some random fun every once in awhile... cool
I'm not sure but can someone tell me if they will be doing a wipe when it goes f2p of all the current subscriber's characters? If not or if they are can you please provide a link
They didn't do it with DDO, so why would they do it for LOTRO?
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Oh and don't complain about Turbine focusing on DDO lately; it has been frozen in time for many many months with NO updates of any kind due to the stupid Atari lawsuit. All the while we got nothing in DDO, LOTRO continued to get plenty of updates and perks.
Because they are life time subscribers in a f2p game lol.
And besides, they have 2 separate dev teams, so what gets done on DDO has nothing to do with what gets done on LOTRO.
I can certainly empathize with you there.
I hate the divisiveness that cash shops engender, though, and F2P are even worse in that respect.
Would you pay more for a P2P that absolutely promised NO RMTs at all? I know I would - assuming I could trust the company to keep their word.
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
What? Lifers get permanent VIP access.
"If all you can say is... "It's awful, it's not innovative, it's ugly, it's blah.." Then you're an unimaginative and unpolished excuse for human life" -eburn
nothing funny about being a lifetime subscription holder with it now going f2p; we don't ever have to pay anything and we get access to everything, just as we always have.
Yeah and whats that? Getting stuff that they could had gotten before ingame. Turbine will remove things from the game or make em hard to aquire and then give em to the vips. It's not actually giving, more like taking and giving back.
For all the people who said LotRO subscriptions were oh-so-healthy, you now see how oh-so-wrong you were. Successful subscription games don't go FTP.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
..and some people post just to post.
On topic: I no longer have a reason not to install my copy and play. Maybe I'll actually like it.
I want a mmorpg where people have gone through misery, have gone through school stuff and actually have had sex even. -sagil
You're wrong. DDO showed that F2P model that incorporates a P2P option and a Cash shop are MORE profitable.
This is about DDO showing a new model is better than the conventional model. LoTRO was seeing an increase in subscrition numbers prior to the decision to go F2P.
What aversion do people have to reading and thinking, rather than automatic lambasting? Shire, Ered Luin, and Bree-town quests will not have to be bought. It says in several places that those are automatic for free and premium players. People who have already paid to play (even one month of subscribing) will automatically be considered Premium players, and will not lose any gold, items, etc. that they already have. They will, however, need to choose their 3 character slots they'd like to keep (and if I recall correctly, this is 3 character slots *per server*, of which there are several). Honestly, they're not screwing the prior subscribers as bad as some people seem to think.
As for why DDO/LotRO Turbine points don't cross over, that seems to go along with the 'pay to win' idea, except in this case it's 'play x game for 6 months straight to accumulate points, then go buy up all the cool epic shit and stomp newbies on y game'. Does that make some sense to anyone? No? Then please excuse yourself from any future intelligent discussions.
Blizzard is coming out with Cataclysm this fall, and it looks like Guild Wars 2 may be out before years end.
Turbine had to do something before LotRO officially and permanently slipped into complete MMO irrelevance.
F2p will work better in lotro actually since there isn't pvp in this game. The difference between those who pay and those who don't will not be big. I have a feeling warhammer will be the next to follow but since that game rely heavily on pvp, cash shops might not work so well.
DDO only went free to play because it was either that or die.
Keep telling yourself whatever it takes to make you feel better, though.
-Letting Derek Smart work on your game is like letting Osama bin Laden work in the White House. Something will burn.-
-And on the 8th day, man created God.-
This seems to be spot on.
The only problem is going to be how Turbine balances the whole thing. What if it comes to a point where your $15 bucks a month is more than the time it takes for the F2P crowd to get the same content by "working" for the points and unlocking the same content that you're paying for.
I actually think the opposite will be true. It's going to be easier just paying the $15 bucks rather than going throught he hassle.
What does that matter? Regardless of why it was done, it has still been very successful, and now they are trying to to do the same with another game. You say DDO only went F2P cause it was dying, but it has seena huge turn around... so what do you think a similar F2P model could do for a game that actually is for the most part rather succesful?
Think about it. If dying DDO saw I believe it was like a 500% increase in players and profit from the time they switched to F2P, what would happen if a huge game like WoW did the same? Sure there may be some who would leave it due to the change, but just think if WoW saw anywhere near a 500% increase in profit from the switch, would be insane.
goes f2p, so.... FAIL
Frodo dead.
Exactly. Except it's quite possible (as it is in most F2P games) that the Uber l33t healing pot is necessary to do the raid in question. As are all the buffs you get from the various potions.
But Turbine is as pure as the driven snow. They'd never stoop to such things. Especially when they have an easy to exploit mechanic already in place. Radiance potions, anyway?
R.I.P. City of Heroes and my 17 characters there
Hoo RAY!
TYVM, Turbine!
"" Voice acting isn't an RPG element....it's just a production value." - grumpymel2
My dear Bambi! Are we still going? Do not degrade someone because they do not have money and you do. That is not right. GW is a GREAT game and GW2 will be an awesome game. I've got GW and I am getting GW2 and no, my mommy and daddy aren't paying for anything. Get OVER yourself. You are no better than those trolls who will show up on LOTRO when it goes F2P, actually you are worse than those trolls, I can stand them. It is people like you who I can't stand.
I'm not sure but can someone tell me if they will be doing a wipe when it goes f2p of all the current subscriber's characters? If not or if they are can you please provide a link
Wow.. I'm surprised. I stopped playing LotRO awhile back but it's way too good and solid to be F2P.. I think this game will change the stimga associated with being F2P because it's an uber solid game. I for one.. will probably go back to this MMO as I wait for Guild Wars 2 and Final Fantasy XIV once LotRO is free to play...
There is hardly no reason not to try it if you haven't. And even if you have you might want to install it for some random fun every once in awhile... cool
I believe the Tolkien estate ought to have a say in this.
They didn't do it with DDO, so why would they do it for LOTRO?
They didn't? Two of my friends told me his toon's got wiped. Led me believe that might be that happened