Interesting if this is true, as beta signups usually have a disclaimer that subscribing to current games owned by the same company does not inherently give you a higher chance to be in the "new" game's beta. It falls under the same reason that you see those "Win a Million Dollars!" on Reeses Cups say on the back "Purchase not necessary" to enter the contest.
While being able to prove it is highly unlikely, anyone able to prove that ArenaNet is handing out beta invites based on any current games you may own would have a very lucrative lawsuit on their hands.
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Interesting if this is true, as beta signups usually have a disclaimer that subscribing to current games owned by the same company does not inherently give you a higher chance to be in the "new" game's beta. It falls under the same reason that you see those "Win a Million Dollars!" on Reeses Cups say on the back "Purchase not necessary" to enter the contest.
While being able to prove it is highly unlikely, anyone able to prove that ArenaNet is handing out beta invites based on any current games you may own would have a very lucrative lawsuit on their hands.
Not always true. A buddy of mine got the Starcraft 2 beta and will get Cataclysm and D3 because he is active in Wow and on battle.net, he just got a mail without even asking for it.
And I don't see how you could sue anyone for that, dumbest thing I heard.
Most likely will they offer some betas for their community, some for journalists and some for contests and the rest from people who volunteers.
I am actually considering to go to Gamescon even if it is rather far, I really would like to check this out by myself.
Interesting if this is true, as beta signups usually have a disclaimer that subscribing to current games owned by the same company does not inherently give you a higher chance to be in the "new" game's beta. It falls under the same reason that you see those "Win a Million Dollars!" on Reeses Cups say on the back "Purchase not necessary" to enter the contest.
While being able to prove it is highly unlikely, anyone able to prove that ArenaNet is handing out beta invites based on any current games you may own would have a very lucrative lawsuit on their hands.
Not always true. A buddy of mine got the Starcraft 2 beta and will get Cataclysm and D3 because he is active in Wow and on battle.net, he just got a mail without even asking for it.
And I don't see how you could sue anyone for that, dumbest thing I heard.
Most likely will they offer some betas for their community, some for journalists and some for contests and the rest from people who volunteers.
I am actually considering to go to Gamescon even if it is rather far, I really would like to check this out by myself.
I have been in the Starcraft 2 beta since Feb. I was not subscribed to WoW at the time and had not played WoW in over a year. I was not currently playing SC:BW, I was not currently playing Diablo 2:LOD. I had signed up for all 3 beta universe portals on my battle.net account though.
Your "buddy" will not get get an invite based on the fact that he has an active WoW account, nor becaue he is active on B.Net. I can assure you that. I stopped playing the SC2 beta because I was not enjoying the new model they were using to base their balancing upon. Three weeks later I ended up getting a buddy key invite to invite another friend of mine. If they had any sense they would have seen I was not playing and not wasted sending me the invite.
My point is, you aren't guaranteed any beta invites unless specifically stated "Pre-Order now to secure access to Beta!"
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And I don't see how you could sue anyone for that, dumbest thing I heard.
Federal Trade Commision states that you cannot make something that inherently has a "chance" to receive something require purchase in order to recieve that. Equal opportunity claims are required, meaning that someone who has not bought that "product" has the same chance to "win" as anyone else.
And I don't see how you could sue anyone for that, dumbest thing I heard.
Federal Trade Commision states that you cannot make something that inherently has a "chance" to receive something require purchase in order to recieve that. Equal opportunity claims are required, meaning that someone who has not bought that "product" has the same chance to "win" as anyone else.
Anything that has "chance" involved and is payed for is considered a lottery, and is illegal unless it IS a lottery.
So no, it's not the dumbest thing you've ever heard, but I can honestly say that your statement falls into that category...
Well then you are assuming that their beta is going to be a lottery like the others. They could easily just say that they want to give beta access to those who are active in Guild Wars, and no one else. And plus I would imagine that the law would only apply to anything of value, they aren't winning anything of value. They are being recruited by the company to test their game.
Beta will be given to all current Guild Wars accounts and they have said as much already. I don't know if they will open it up publically but I doubt it.
Its what they have done previously but they weren't so much betas as multiple "Preview Events" and I can't see that changing.
Besides they already have a staff of beta testers. We won't see beta until its almost ready to go gold and that will be to determine server load. lag, scaling and event timings.
Basically when you see the beta it will already be able to pre-order from NC-Soft I reckon.
And I don't see how you could sue anyone for that, dumbest thing I heard.
Federal Trade Commision states that you cannot make something that inherently has a "chance" to receive something require purchase in order to recieve that. Equal opportunity claims are required, meaning that someone who has not bought that "product" has the same chance to "win" as anyone else.
Anything that has "chance" involved and is payed for is considered a lottery, and is illegal unless it IS a lottery.
So no, it's not the dumbest thing you've ever heard, but I can honestly say that your statement falls into that category...
Beta testing is not a lottery. Beta testing is not a right, its a privilege. And its mostly a privilege for the game company that brought you in to test it; They are privileged to have someone test their incomplete game to make it complete. You are NOT being paid, and they are NOT offering a gift or incentive.
For someone throwing around a lot of "research," you certainly don't seem to understand what you are throwing around.
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And I don't see how you could sue anyone for that, dumbest thing I heard.
Federal Trade Commision states that you cannot make something that inherently has a "chance" to receive something require purchase in order to recieve that. Equal opportunity claims are required, meaning that someone who has not bought that "product" has the same chance to "win" as anyone else.
Anything that has "chance" involved and is payed for is considered a lottery, and is illegal unless it IS a lottery.
So no, it's not the dumbest thing you've ever heard, but I can honestly say that your statement falls into that category...
Beta testing is not a lottery. Beta testing is not a right, its a privilege. And its mostly a privilege for the game company that brought you in to test it; They are privileged to have someone test their incomplete game to make it complete. You are NOT being paid, and they are NOT offering a gift or incentive.
For someone throwing around a lot of "research," you certainly don't seem to understand what you are throwing around.
I understand exactly what I'm "throwing around". If you reference my original post I even said "highly unlikely that anyone would be able to prove as such".
When I said this, if you read the context you would realize that I'm referencing the ability to prove that any marketable material whatsoever. If one had the ability to prove that internal protocol for finding new beta applicants required the game, then someone might be able to create a lawsuit based on the fact that the game itself costs money to buy. I never stated it was feasible. The main reasoning behind this is because of the other guys preliminary statement suggesting that you would HAVE to have the game to be in the beta. This is incorrect, while their internal practices may very much align with this...there is no way to prove it. Because anyone working for arenanet and it's beta acceptance policy isn't going to divulge whether or not you NEED to have the game to be in beta. As long as they state that it's available to anyone who signs up, that's fine.
I never stated it was a right. But beta testing is not a privelage either. This falls under the same viewpoint of those who beta test in earlier stages of a beta thinking they are "better" then those who test in later stages. I highly suspect you are one of those types.
But again on the main topic, if SOMONE could prove, (however unlikely it is) that a beta REQUIRES purchase (without it stating that it requires purchase) then you might be able to create a lawsuit based on the aforementioned FTC law. As long as they advertise "Beta access guaranteed when you Pre-Purchase" or something along those lines, it's not considered a "lottery".
I never stated it was a privelage or a right or any other such nonsense. A beta is a beta, it's you testing a game. It allows the developers to stress their server load with a vast population, and it allows you a first glimpse at the game. This is also the reason their beta is coming out so late. I was merely pointing out to the other poster that IF someone could prove the connection there is a SMALL possibility of being able to create a lawsuit. My apologies if my years of pre-law before I switched to CSIS overflow and I see loopholes in legal design, guess that's a curse I will have to live with. Next time you want to throw around assumptions about me, or put words in my mouth I suggest you don't.
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At Gamescon August 19-22 and PAX September 3-5,you can play a demo of GW2.
I think you'll need a very active GW account to get in the earlier phase of beta testing...
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Interesting if this is true, as beta signups usually have a disclaimer that subscribing to current games owned by the same company does not inherently give you a higher chance to be in the "new" game's beta. It falls under the same reason that you see those "Win a Million Dollars!" on Reeses Cups say on the back "Purchase not necessary" to enter the contest.
While being able to prove it is highly unlikely, anyone able to prove that ArenaNet is handing out beta invites based on any current games you may own would have a very lucrative lawsuit on their hands.
~~Internet gaming is not for the faint of heart or the dumb of mind.~~
Not always true. A buddy of mine got the Starcraft 2 beta and will get Cataclysm and D3 because he is active in Wow and on battle.net, he just got a mail without even asking for it.
And I don't see how you could sue anyone for that, dumbest thing I heard.
Most likely will they offer some betas for their community, some for journalists and some for contests and the rest from people who volunteers.
I am actually considering to go to Gamescon even if it is rather far, I really would like to check this out by myself.
I have been in the Starcraft 2 beta since Feb. I was not subscribed to WoW at the time and had not played WoW in over a year. I was not currently playing SC:BW, I was not currently playing Diablo 2:LOD. I had signed up for all 3 beta universe portals on my battle.net account though.
Your "buddy" will not get get an invite based on the fact that he has an active WoW account, nor becaue he is active on B.Net. I can assure you that. I stopped playing the SC2 beta because I was not enjoying the new model they were using to base their balancing upon. Three weeks later I ended up getting a buddy key invite to invite another friend of mine. If they had any sense they would have seen I was not playing and not wasted sending me the invite.
My point is, you aren't guaranteed any beta invites unless specifically stated "Pre-Order now to secure access to Beta!"
~~Internet gaming is not for the faint of heart or the dumb of mind.~~
Federal Trade Commision states that you cannot make something that inherently has a "chance" to receive something require purchase in order to recieve that. Equal opportunity claims are required, meaning that someone who has not bought that "product" has the same chance to "win" as anyone else.
http://www.ftc.gov/os/1999/08/sweepstakestestimony.htm
Anything that has "chance" involved and is payed for is considered a lottery, and is illegal unless it IS a lottery.
So no, it's not the dumbest thing you've ever heard, but I can honestly say that your statement falls into that category...
~~Internet gaming is not for the faint of heart or the dumb of mind.~~
Well then you are assuming that their beta is going to be a lottery like the others. They could easily just say that they want to give beta access to those who are active in Guild Wars, and no one else. And plus I would imagine that the law would only apply to anything of value, they aren't winning anything of value. They are being recruited by the company to test their game.
Beta will be given to all current Guild Wars accounts and they have said as much already. I don't know if they will open it up publically but I doubt it.
Its what they have done previously but they weren't so much betas as multiple "Preview Events" and I can't see that changing.
Besides they already have a staff of beta testers. We won't see beta until its almost ready to go gold and that will be to determine server load. lag, scaling and event timings.
Basically when you see the beta it will already be able to pre-order from NC-Soft I reckon.
I recall them saying that GW2 beta will be much shorter than the first game was. I think all they will use it for is server stress.
Beta testing is not a lottery. Beta testing is not a right, its a privilege. And its mostly a privilege for the game company that brought you in to test it; They are privileged to have someone test their incomplete game to make it complete. You are NOT being paid, and they are NOT offering a gift or incentive.
For someone throwing around a lot of "research," you certainly don't seem to understand what you are throwing around.
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I understand exactly what I'm "throwing around". If you reference my original post I even said "highly unlikely that anyone would be able to prove as such".
When I said this, if you read the context you would realize that I'm referencing the ability to prove that any marketable material whatsoever. If one had the ability to prove that internal protocol for finding new beta applicants required the game, then someone might be able to create a lawsuit based on the fact that the game itself costs money to buy. I never stated it was feasible. The main reasoning behind this is because of the other guys preliminary statement suggesting that you would HAVE to have the game to be in the beta. This is incorrect, while their internal practices may very much align with this...there is no way to prove it. Because anyone working for arenanet and it's beta acceptance policy isn't going to divulge whether or not you NEED to have the game to be in beta. As long as they state that it's available to anyone who signs up, that's fine.
I never stated it was a right. But beta testing is not a privelage either. This falls under the same viewpoint of those who beta test in earlier stages of a beta thinking they are "better" then those who test in later stages. I highly suspect you are one of those types.
But again on the main topic, if SOMONE could prove, (however unlikely it is) that a beta REQUIRES purchase (without it stating that it requires purchase) then you might be able to create a lawsuit based on the aforementioned FTC law. As long as they advertise "Beta access guaranteed when you Pre-Purchase" or something along those lines, it's not considered a "lottery".
I never stated it was a privelage or a right or any other such nonsense. A beta is a beta, it's you testing a game. It allows the developers to stress their server load with a vast population, and it allows you a first glimpse at the game. This is also the reason their beta is coming out so late. I was merely pointing out to the other poster that IF someone could prove the connection there is a SMALL possibility of being able to create a lawsuit. My apologies if my years of pre-law before I switched to CSIS overflow and I see loopholes in legal design, guess that's a curse I will have to live with. Next time you want to throw around assumptions about me, or put words in my mouth I suggest you don't.
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Don't turn this thread into a bunch of whining and bickering.