I think the OP's problem is that they have this conception portrayed in certain games and in the first 3 made SW films that a Jedi / Sith is all powerful and everyone else is weaker than them. But this isn't necessarily the case. It purely depends on the circumstances of the context in which they are portrayed.
For instance, when theres 1000 jedi running around, the concept of a jedi is no longer unique. Consequently the role is portrayed more like a standard melee one of an infantry soldier with some special talents. However, if there's only a handful left, then their uniqueness is exaggerated and their status becomes elevated above all others.
This is were the likes of SWG Pre-CU and SW:FU differ to the SWG we have now and SWTOR. In the former games, the Jedi / Sith are presented as higher up in the heirachy, but in the latter games they are presented as a role that is on a par with others in terms of potency.
To be honest, I don't see a problem with it. But I suppose its purely down to the individual, it might be a culture shock to some people.
In games where they were lowered in potency it was a disservice to the whole idea behind them. Are some jedi better than others, clearly. But is a trooper going to take out multiple jedi? In this game clearly its a possibility, and I would offer that any trooper that can take out multiple jedi is playing in Bizzaro's world, maybe thats what this is. Maybe they arent as bad ass as the trailer for FU2 shows but if they are akin to a pally and a warrior, why not just play wow and forget the IP. They feel like just another class when the whole idea behind the IP is that they arent.
Garvon, you are basing your entire conception of a jedi on a particular set of fiction and not others. Whole books have been written which give more depth to the Star Wars universe than what those films do. Games have been written portraying the Jedi and Sith from various points of view.
If you want to narrow your perception of what a Jedi or Sith should be then you have no one else to blame but yourself.
1000's of years prior to Vader things were very much different
First off, if you can pick and choose what obscure pieces of fan fiction you want to decide is "real" Star Wars you can. I'm going to stick with the official portrayal that everyone else knows and recognizes to be true.
Second, 1000s of years before Vader, things were not very different at all.
If you've ever played KOTOR 1 and 2, you know, the games this MMORPG is based off of, the Jedi and Sith were STILL all powerful forces of destruction, and were NOT on par with normal people.
Sorry if I come across as harsh, but you're only seeing the side you want to.
I'm not picking and choosing anything, but YOU are. I'm trying to show you that you cannot just choose lore to suit your argument. You have to look at the entire lore surrounding the Star Wars franchise, not just a couple of films.
Again, YOUR conception differs to what is possible. Why can't a highly skilled commando or Master Bounty Hunter be good enough to take on a Jedi? Because they use the force? Sorry but you're a little off base there.
The point is, why isn't it possible for other combat roles to be proficient enough to take on jedis? Because YOU think otherwise? Well maybe that's not what LucasArts think.
So what exactly where you expecting in SWTOR? For Jedi and Sith classes to be "all powerful" from the beginning and all others to be inferior? Seriously?
I'm sorry but your argument is ridiculous. Its like trying to argue that in Star Trek games the Kilngons should always be inferior to Federation vessels because the films show them blowing up all the time and the Federation always wins.
Evolution works backwards in Bioware's version of Star Wars and this is how they justify a trooper being able to kill a jedi/sith. Please note that jedi/sith are excluded from this and their power will forever remain consistent or become weaker.
Force users in the SW universe have always been much stronger than the other guy but this is an MMO and all classes must be given a fair shot at victory.
Just forget everything you know about Star Wars if you have any intention of playing TOR because it will not much up at all.
You may not want to include the expanded universe in canon, but the truth is that most of the expanded universe is canon. It comes down to who the individual is. Jedi or Sith, bounty hunter or smuggler, commando or agent. That isn't what matters in the grand scheme of things, it comes down to how skilled that individual is. You say that jedi or sith should be able to take down someone, what if they are both equally matched in prowess, strength and experience? I think that skilled individual would be able to find a way around both the force and the lightsaber and fight on their terms.
You can't go on believing all force users are the ultimates after you have seen, read and conceptualized every possibility based on expanded universe content. Even so, remember that Jango and Grievous also killed jedi. Jango killed six jedi...with his bare hands. Grievous had lightsabers as trophies of his victories.
From the movies and books clone soliders were able to kill Jedi....kind of killed them off.
Let's not forget that in the second prequel movies the Jedi are losing the fight in the arena to the droid army until the clone troopers arive. Many of the Jedi in that fight were killed.
It is strongly implied that if you know how to fight Jedi a skilled fighter can defeat them.
As far as the trailer goes, it does show that the troopers were losing the battle after the suprise of their ambush wore off and only the arrival of the Jedi allows them to win.
The Jedi and Sith shown in the movies were the elite members of their orders. Palpatine and Vader were the two most powerful Sith and Yoda, Obi-Wan, Mace Windu and Anakin are at Jedi Master level. Luke is naturally gifted but requires years of training to reach their level.
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Better to ignore lore and let everyone play a jedi, imo . If you want jedi to be all powerful, all you'll see in the game are jedi . Lore is sacrificed to make games playable all the time.
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In games where they were lowered in potency it was a disservice to the whole idea behind them. Are some jedi better than others, clearly. But is a trooper going to take out multiple jedi? In this game clearly its a possibility, and I would offer that any trooper that can take out multiple jedi is playing in Bizzaro's world, maybe thats what this is. Maybe they arent as bad ass as the trailer for FU2 shows but if they are akin to a pally and a warrior, why not just play wow and forget the IP. They feel like just another class when the whole idea behind the IP is that they arent.
I'm not picking and choosing anything, but YOU are. I'm trying to show you that you cannot just choose lore to suit your argument. You have to look at the entire lore surrounding the Star Wars franchise, not just a couple of films.
Again, YOUR conception differs to what is possible. Why can't a highly skilled commando or Master Bounty Hunter be good enough to take on a Jedi? Because they use the force? Sorry but you're a little off base there.
The point is, why isn't it possible for other combat roles to be proficient enough to take on jedis? Because YOU think otherwise? Well maybe that's not what LucasArts think.
So what exactly where you expecting in SWTOR? For Jedi and Sith classes to be "all powerful" from the beginning and all others to be inferior? Seriously?
I'm sorry but your argument is ridiculous. Its like trying to argue that in Star Trek games the Kilngons should always be inferior to Federation vessels because the films show them blowing up all the time and the Federation always wins.
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Evolution works backwards in Bioware's version of Star Wars and this is how they justify a trooper being able to kill a jedi/sith. Please note that jedi/sith are excluded from this and their power will forever remain consistent or become weaker.
Force users in the SW universe have always been much stronger than the other guy but this is an MMO and all classes must be given a fair shot at victory.
Just forget everything you know about Star Wars if you have any intention of playing TOR because it will not much up at all.
You may not want to include the expanded universe in canon, but the truth is that most of the expanded universe is canon. It comes down to who the individual is. Jedi or Sith, bounty hunter or smuggler, commando or agent. That isn't what matters in the grand scheme of things, it comes down to how skilled that individual is. You say that jedi or sith should be able to take down someone, what if they are both equally matched in prowess, strength and experience? I think that skilled individual would be able to find a way around both the force and the lightsaber and fight on their terms.
You can't go on believing all force users are the ultimates after you have seen, read and conceptualized every possibility based on expanded universe content. Even so, remember that Jango and Grievous also killed jedi. Jango killed six jedi...with his bare hands. Grievous had lightsabers as trophies of his victories.
From the movies and books clone soliders were able to kill Jedi....kind of killed them off.
Let's not forget that in the second prequel movies the Jedi are losing the fight in the arena to the droid army until the clone troopers arive. Many of the Jedi in that fight were killed.
It is strongly implied that if you know how to fight Jedi a skilled fighter can defeat them.
As far as the trailer goes, it does show that the troopers were losing the battle after the suprise of their ambush wore off and only the arrival of the Jedi allows them to win.
The Jedi and Sith shown in the movies were the elite members of their orders. Palpatine and Vader were the two most powerful Sith and Yoda, Obi-Wan, Mace Windu and Anakin are at Jedi Master level. Luke is naturally gifted but requires years of training to reach their level.
As a point of note on the first video, if he would have jumped up and split the giant military robot in half at the start of the fight he would have shaved off a few minutes from his commute.
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Better to ignore lore and let everyone play a jedi, imo
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If you want jedi to be all powerful, all you'll see in the game are jedi
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Lore is sacrificed to make games playable all the time.
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