$25? That's insane, especially considering STO is a Subscription-based & Microtransaction game. They're really shaking down whoever is left out there. Even better considering they're charging people for content to fix up a half-ass*d game on top of paying monthly already.
The greed is strong with this one
wait till later this month when the new patch comes out and the ship is useless (assuming they realease new ships with the lvl cap increase)
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME
wait till later this month when the new patch comes out and the ship is useless (assuming they realease new ships with the lvl cap increase)
Actually, I am waiting for that exact scenario to happen; it would fit in with Cryptic's established pattern to date.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
The Lance attack, it can use a beam that can reach out, up to 8 KM, and hit any ships in that line of attack.
It has the stations and the weapons of an Assault Cruiser.
The Galaxy X-Class did have all those things, but it was a refitted Enterprise NCC1701-D. recommissioned by Admiral Willam Riker, in a two part episode called “All Good Things.” But it was in an alternate universe, where the Enterprise-D wasn't destroyed.
Yet again, we see Cryptic stomping all over the IP of Star Trek, trying to suck all the money out of people they can.
the more i read, the more i will stay well clear of all and any cryptic games present and future. I tried STO in closed beta and thought it was 1 boring piece of crap, but everything i have read since the release of the game is an utter disgrace and absolute greed at hitting what few people they have with more and more cost.
the more i read, the more i will stay well clear of all and any cryptic games present and future.
To be fair, CoH/CoV was a decent enough game, even though the missions still had the obvious repetitiveness that mark all of Cryptic's efforts, and they did manage to bring a bit of innovation to the MMO scene with those games. The thing was, they actually spent the time to produce a game (with CoH) that wasn't lacking like CO and STO were at launch. Unfortunately Cryptic's executive team decided to throw what they did good with CoH/CoV in the garbage, and let shoddy production values and outright greed become the rule of thumb.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
the more i read, the more i will stay well clear of all and any cryptic games present and future.
To be fair, CoH/CoV was a decent enough game, even though the missions still had the obvious repetitiveness that mark all of Cryptic's efforts, and they did manage to bring a bit of innovation to the MMO scene with those games. The thing was, they actually spent the time to produce a game (with CoH) that wasn't lacking like CO and STO were at launch. Unfortunately Cryptic's executive team decided to throw what they did good with CoH/CoV in the garbage, and let shoddy production values and outright greed become the rule of thumb.
true dinendae but by most accounts (and i was not there so i cant say for sure) the game coh/cov only got signifigantly better after the game was sold by cryptic and the management team changed.
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME
Never mind all this nonsence. What I find funny is why would you even cry, whine, call for, and litteraly BEG cryptic to give them a ship that was onscreen for maybee 30 seconds in one episode set in an alternate reality created by Q? Its a galaxy class ship with a third nacell and a lance thing thats been fired once in the show.
All this hubbub on the sto forums about this stupid ship is just hilarity at its finest. I actually dont really put to much fault on Cryptic for this one. Its the STO whiners that called out and called out and said gimme gimme gimme gimme!! Now that they have it... they whine about that to!
To funny.
Also.. a Federation ship that has cloak is not non cannon. Only one ship had cloaking technology, and that was the defiant... and the Enterprise briefly if you count that phasing cloak that Rikers old captain went back for.
Not the defiant class ship.. but the defiant itself. So if you want to get nit picky.. the feds do have ONE ship that had cloak that is cannon.
But again.. this whole thing just makes me chuckle. The STO community cries for something and finally gets it. When they discover its not all that great shakes... they throw tantrums like 3 year olds.
All I can say is I am 100% glad I payed 5 bucks only to try early access and didnt waste my $50 on this piece of garbage...
in the preorder I was bored as hell, I just was not having fun and it didnt really feel at all star trekish not to mention all the bugs I encountered, all the missing game play, Klingons an afterthought.... I have kept tabs on it for a while just laughing thanking god I didnt waste another 50 bucks like I did on that age of conan fail game...
Never ever ever again will I pay for a game before I get a chance to try it out first, these game companies are banking on you buying an unfinished half arsed product and paying them to give you what you were supposed to have at release.
I am sick of it, no more unfinished games... how did everquest, everquest 2, daoc, and the like manage to release completed and playable games when MMO's were practically unheard of and yet now that MMO's have a huge market share, an unfinished practically unplayable product is now the norm.
true dinendae but by most accounts (and i was not there so i cant say for sure) the game coh/cov only got signifigantly better after the game was sold by cryptic and the management team changed.
That is true; once Cryptic left (and those devs who remained formed Paragon Studios), you started seeing features developed for CoH/CoV that Cryptic had promised and then said they couldn't do; similar to STO and all the features they were originally advertising as wanting to put in, but now do not know how or say that the engine currently can't do. Still, CoH/CoV was a decent enough game even when Cryptic was in charge.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Never mind all this nonsence. What I find funny is why would you even cry, whine, call for, and litteraly BEG cryptic to give them a ship that was onscreen for maybee 30 seconds in one episode set in an alternate reality created by Q? Its a galaxy class ship with a third nacell and a lance thing thats been fired once in the show.
All this hubbub on the sto forums about this stupid ship is just hilarity at its finest. I actually dont really put to much fault on Cryptic for this one. Its the STO whiners that called out and called out and said gimme gimme gimme gimme!! Now that they have it... they whine about that to!
To funny.
Also.. a Federation ship that has cloak is not non cannon. Only one ship had cloaking technology, and that was the defiant... and the Enterprise briefly if you count that phasing cloak that Rikers old captain went back for.
Not the defiant class ship.. but the defiant itself. So if you want to get nit picky.. the feds do have ONE ship that had cloak that is cannon.
But again.. this whole thing just makes me chuckle. The STO community cries for something and finally gets it. When they discover its not all that great shakes... they throw tantrums like 3 year olds.
The only point I disagree slightly with is Cryptic being at fault; they need to take a small bit of blame for instilling a sense of entitlement to their players in the first place. However, at the end of the day, the players must take the majority of the blame for their attitudes. I honestly can't remember another MMO where you had this sense of entitlement running rampant through the playerbase.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
I am sick of it, no more unfinished games... how did everquest, everquest 2, daoc, and the like manage to release completed and playable games when MMO's were practically unheard of and yet now that MMO's have a huge market share, an unfinished practically unplayable product is now the norm.
There was an article on this website awhile back, talking about that very issue. The gist of it was, these days the publishers are generally at fault; they are wanting to see a very quick turn around via box sales, and are no longer patient enough to wait for subs to generate profit.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
I honestly can't remember another MMO where you had this sense of entitlement running rampant through the playerbase.
I can give you one, I am entitled to my free purples I logged on and ran an instance a day gimmee gimme gimmee
Wow everyone is entitled to be epic now... but my favorite saying is if everyone is epic then no one is epic. Honestly I enjoyed vanilla wow and somewhat burning crusade but then the free epics trivialized all the 5 man content making there be no challenge whatsoever other than how many mobs can we kill at once without dieing....
What happened to games that were hard? where did the challenge go? Why must every game now come with a map and arrows to point you to everything? bah this isnt the forum for that but jeez.....
I honestly can't remember another MMO where you had this sense of entitlement running rampant through the playerbase.
I can give you one, I am entitled to my free purples I logged on and ran an instance a day gimmee gimme gimmee
Wow everyone is entitled to be epic now... but my favorite saying is if everyone is epic then no one is epic. Honestly I enjoyed vanilla wow and somewhat burning crusade but then the free epics trivialized all the 5 man content making there be no challenge whatsoever other than how many mobs can we kill at once without dieing....
What happened to games that were hard? where did the challenge go? Why must every game now come with a map and arrows to point you to everything? bah this isnt the forum for that but jeez.....
I don't know enough about WoW, especially at the high end (I never really went past the high 30s to mid 40s in level); is Blizzard actively instilling a sense of entitlement like Cryptic did when they kept giving things to the lifetimers above and beyond what came initially with the lifetime subscription? Or is it the high end WoW players have just developed that attitude on their own due to the issue you described? If Cryptic had stopped at the initial lifetime subscription perks, then I would say it was entirely the players fault for the entitlement attitude. However, Cryptic kept feeding the problem; first with the special forum name color, and then that captain's table.
The irony is, from a financial perspective, that they kept catering to the lifetimers and ticking off the subscribers when they should have been focusing on making the subscribers happy. After all, once the initial thirty days were up, none of the lifetimers had a decent justification for a refund; Cryptic had their money, and didn't need to give it back. By focusing on the subscribers concerns, they might have had a better retention rate. It's like their executive team said "Here's how MMOs should work; now let's do the opposite!"
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Yes they are... first it was emblems off of a single daily dungeon, then it was every heroic gives emblems 1 tier back while the first one of the day gives emblems for current tier (when this happened I finished levelling a tank druid and completely equipped it from fresh 80 blues and greens to entierly epic in every slot in t9 gear when current was t10 in about 10 hours), then they added 5 emblems off a raid old enough that the emblem gear trivialized it, then they added in the latest raid a 25% bonus to players health, damage, heals, and damage reduction abilities, while also adding a weekly to the latest raid dungeon to kill a mob or mobs to get 5 more free emblems. To me thats saying here you deserve this for little effort... and the community now expects it. They like this hand out and it obviously is working for blizzard.
Yes they are... first it was emblems off of a single daily dungeon, then it was every heroic gives emblems 1 tier back while the first one of the day gives emblems for current tier (when this happened I finished levelling a tank druid and completely equipped it from fresh 80 blues and greens to entierly epic in every slot in t9 gear when current was t10 in about 10 hours), then they added 5 emblems off a raid old enough that the emblem gear trivialized it, then they added in the latest raid a 25% bonus to players health, damage, heals, and damage reduction abilities, while also adding a weekly to the latest raid dungeon to kill a mob or mobs to get 5 more free emblems. To me thats saying here you deserve this for little effort... and the community now expects it. They like this hand out and it obviously is working for blizzard.
Pity. I guess my only question then is, are the WoW players actively acting like the STO lifetimers? What I mean is, are they on the forums screaming for more entitlements like these, or has a sense of entitlement not yet taken root yet like it did with the STO lifetimers from the start?
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Pity. I guess my only question then is, are the WoW players actively acting like the STO lifetimers? What I mean is, are they on the forums screaming for more entitlements like these, or has a sense of entitlement not yet taken root yet like it did with the STO lifetimers from the start?
Probably not. I still play WoW. The purple stuff is so easy to get you really dont have to scream for it. It's all just a grind, run the same 5 mans over and over until you accumulate enough emblems. Then run the same raids over and over until you get what your looking for. As a side note, I didnt even know that WoW sold stuff in a cash shop until the "my little pony" came out and I read about it here on the boards.
Probably not. I still play WoW. The purple stuff is so easy to get you really dont have to scream for it. It's all just a grind, run the same 5 mans over and over until you accumulate enough emblems. As a side note, I didnt even know that WoW sold stuff in a cash shop until the "my little pony" came out and I read about it here on the boards.
From what I understand, it was just a couple of vanity pets (a Pandaren (sp?) and some lich thingy) until the Celestial Mount came out.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
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wait till later this month when the new patch comes out and the ship is useless (assuming they realease new ships with the lvl cap increase)
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME
Actually, I am waiting for that exact scenario to happen; it would fit in with Cryptic's established pattern to date.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
GIVE ME THAT WALLET BACK!!!!! I FORGOT TO CHECK THE CHANGE POCKET!!!!!!
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME
The Galaxy X-Class did have all those things, but it was a refitted Enterprise NCC1701-D. recommissioned by Admiral Willam Riker, in a two part episode called “All Good Things.” But it was in an alternate universe, where the Enterprise-D wasn't destroyed.
Yet again, we see Cryptic stomping all over the IP of Star Trek, trying to suck all the money out of people they can.
LOL
the more i read, the more i will stay well clear of all and any cryptic games present and future. I tried STO in closed beta and thought it was 1 boring piece of crap, but everything i have read since the release of the game is an utter disgrace and absolute greed at hitting what few people they have with more and more cost.
the truly ironic part of this is
sto on steam- 16$
galaxy x in c-store- 25$
geeeee, do you think there gouging the die hard star trek ip fans?????
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME
Whats funny is...
The ship is a tier four.
Yeah, like the other galaxy. The advantage is the cloak, a 'beam overload 1' equivilant attack, and the ability to equip normal cannons.
My friends, it's completely overrated. It's useful sure, but... not as bad as most of you are putting out there. It's a bucket of bolts.
Cannons are useful for the first attack, after that, good luck lining those cannons up.
Longing for Skyrim, The Old Republic and Mass Effect 3
To be fair, CoH/CoV was a decent enough game, even though the missions still had the obvious repetitiveness that mark all of Cryptic's efforts, and they did manage to bring a bit of innovation to the MMO scene with those games. The thing was, they actually spent the time to produce a game (with CoH) that wasn't lacking like CO and STO were at launch. Unfortunately Cryptic's executive team decided to throw what they did good with CoH/CoV in the garbage, and let shoddy production values and outright greed become the rule of thumb.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
true dinendae but by most accounts (and i was not there so i cant say for sure) the game coh/cov only got signifigantly better after the game was sold by cryptic and the management team changed.
IF THE ONLY DEFENCE FOR CRITICISM OF A GAME IS CALLING SOMEONE A TROLL OR HATER, THAT SAYS A LOT ABOUT THE QUALITY OF THE GAME
Never mind all this nonsence. What I find funny is why would you even cry, whine, call for, and litteraly BEG cryptic to give them a ship that was onscreen for maybee 30 seconds in one episode set in an alternate reality created by Q? Its a galaxy class ship with a third nacell and a lance thing thats been fired once in the show.
All this hubbub on the sto forums about this stupid ship is just hilarity at its finest. I actually dont really put to much fault on Cryptic for this one. Its the STO whiners that called out and called out and said gimme gimme gimme gimme!! Now that they have it... they whine about that to!
To funny.
Also.. a Federation ship that has cloak is not non cannon. Only one ship had cloaking technology, and that was the defiant... and the Enterprise briefly if you count that phasing cloak that Rikers old captain went back for.
Not the defiant class ship.. but the defiant itself. So if you want to get nit picky.. the feds do have ONE ship that had cloak that is cannon.
But again.. this whole thing just makes me chuckle. The STO community cries for something and finally gets it. When they discover its not all that great shakes... they throw tantrums like 3 year olds.
All I can say is I am 100% glad I payed 5 bucks only to try early access and didnt waste my $50 on this piece of garbage...
in the preorder I was bored as hell, I just was not having fun and it didnt really feel at all star trekish not to mention all the bugs I encountered, all the missing game play, Klingons an afterthought.... I have kept tabs on it for a while just laughing thanking god I didnt waste another 50 bucks like I did on that age of conan fail game...
Never ever ever again will I pay for a game before I get a chance to try it out first, these game companies are banking on you buying an unfinished half arsed product and paying them to give you what you were supposed to have at release.
I am sick of it, no more unfinished games... how did everquest, everquest 2, daoc, and the like manage to release completed and playable games when MMO's were practically unheard of and yet now that MMO's have a huge market share, an unfinished practically unplayable product is now the norm.
That is true; once Cryptic left (and those devs who remained formed Paragon Studios), you started seeing features developed for CoH/CoV that Cryptic had promised and then said they couldn't do; similar to STO and all the features they were originally advertising as wanting to put in, but now do not know how or say that the engine currently can't do. Still, CoH/CoV was a decent enough game even when Cryptic was in charge.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
The only point I disagree slightly with is Cryptic being at fault; they need to take a small bit of blame for instilling a sense of entitlement to their players in the first place. However, at the end of the day, the players must take the majority of the blame for their attitudes. I honestly can't remember another MMO where you had this sense of entitlement running rampant through the playerbase.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
There was an article on this website awhile back, talking about that very issue. The gist of it was, these days the publishers are generally at fault; they are wanting to see a very quick turn around via box sales, and are no longer patient enough to wait for subs to generate profit.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
I can give you one, I am entitled to my free purples I logged on and ran an instance a day gimmee gimme gimmee
Wow everyone is entitled to be epic now... but my favorite saying is if everyone is epic then no one is epic. Honestly I enjoyed vanilla wow and somewhat burning crusade but then the free epics trivialized all the 5 man content making there be no challenge whatsoever other than how many mobs can we kill at once without dieing....
What happened to games that were hard? where did the challenge go? Why must every game now come with a map and arrows to point you to everything? bah this isnt the forum for that but jeez.....
I don't know enough about WoW, especially at the high end (I never really went past the high 30s to mid 40s in level); is Blizzard actively instilling a sense of entitlement like Cryptic did when they kept giving things to the lifetimers above and beyond what came initially with the lifetime subscription? Or is it the high end WoW players have just developed that attitude on their own due to the issue you described? If Cryptic had stopped at the initial lifetime subscription perks, then I would say it was entirely the players fault for the entitlement attitude. However, Cryptic kept feeding the problem; first with the special forum name color, and then that captain's table.
The irony is, from a financial perspective, that they kept catering to the lifetimers and ticking off the subscribers when they should have been focusing on making the subscribers happy. After all, once the initial thirty days were up, none of the lifetimers had a decent justification for a refund; Cryptic had their money, and didn't need to give it back. By focusing on the subscribers concerns, they might have had a better retention rate. It's like their executive team said "Here's how MMOs should work; now let's do the opposite!"
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Yes they are... first it was emblems off of a single daily dungeon, then it was every heroic gives emblems 1 tier back while the first one of the day gives emblems for current tier (when this happened I finished levelling a tank druid and completely equipped it from fresh 80 blues and greens to entierly epic in every slot in t9 gear when current was t10 in about 10 hours), then they added 5 emblems off a raid old enough that the emblem gear trivialized it, then they added in the latest raid a 25% bonus to players health, damage, heals, and damage reduction abilities, while also adding a weekly to the latest raid dungeon to kill a mob or mobs to get 5 more free emblems. To me thats saying here you deserve this for little effort... and the community now expects it. They like this hand out and it obviously is working for blizzard.
Pity. I guess my only question then is, are the WoW players actively acting like the STO lifetimers? What I mean is, are they on the forums screaming for more entitlements like these, or has a sense of entitlement not yet taken root yet like it did with the STO lifetimers from the start?
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan
Probably not. I still play WoW. The purple stuff is so easy to get you really dont have to scream for it. It's all just a grind, run the same 5 mans over and over until you accumulate enough emblems. Then run the same raids over and over until you get what your looking for. As a side note, I didnt even know that WoW sold stuff in a cash shop until the "my little pony" came out and I read about it here on the boards.
From what I understand, it was just a couple of vanity pets (a Pandaren (sp?) and some lich thingy) until the Celestial Mount came out.
"Oh my, how horrible, someone is criticizing a MMO. Oh yeah, that is what a forum is about, looking at both sides. You rather have to be critical of anything in this genre as of late because the track record of these major studios has just been appalling." -Ozmodan