I have not used my WOW account in over six months. I have not logged in, checked my status or anything in all this period. I have stopped paying a monthly fee and have moved on until Cataclysm comes. Yesterday, I get an email from Blizzard that a request was made for my password to be changed and then I get an email stating that there is suspicious activity with my account. My account is not active at all, so i don't even see how this is possible.
So I go to check my account and I can no longer log in due to someone setting a mobile authenticator to my account. So now I have to contact Account Support to try to figure out how to log in to my account, and waste all this time for an account I don't even use anymore.
There was no keylogging, virus, or any other attempt from my end as I am using a new computer and have not ever logged into my WOW account with my new laptop and I no longer use my old computer.
So to say that account hacked is soley the user's fault is ridiculous to me. The whole Real ID fiasco and BattleNet have made security a real issue with WOW. I play at least ten other games, plus manage my own web sites and no other account has been interrrupted or affect, plus I don't key into my accounts and instead use the Norton Cards for all my Internet use.
I don't believe I will be playing Cataclysm if this matter is not cleared up because that would mean having to but WOW and all the expansions again to create an account for a game I have moved on from.
For those who have not experienced this issue and want to just blame people for their stupidity is never a helpful way to understand a community that is suffering from its own stagnant growth and greed from the manufacturers.
If you want to know what will kill WOW, it will be the community and company and not the gameplay itself.
You guys are a funny bunch, you went home one day, the door perfectly locked but your TV set stolen. So you run to the sheriff throwing out crazy theory about demons rising from within the house and fly out of the chimney carrying it?
Come on, you do not know how the hacker get it. nor do we. Period. No one has to explain to you how you lost YOUR account. We don't know. We cannot come up with a reason, b/c we do not even know you. However, throwing a big conspiracy theory following your unfortunate unexplained event does not make it any more plausible,
You lost you account, checked, You do not know how it happened, checked. Blame no one, if you do not want to blame yourself. No one need to give you an answer, not even the police. No one owe you an explanation, no one can, unless they perform a thorough investigation, about your online bahaviour years ago while you play. Is there enough foundation for that investigation?
It's also a funny bunch of folks in here that have their heads shoved so far up blizzards butt that they think that it is not somehow their fault rather than the customers.
If they have an authenticator, it should be free to begin with, not some kind of extra security system that blizzard wants to capitalize on. It is just like windows with their security risks and viruses, they should have a free virus detector that comes with windows since this is clearly a windows problem. I know they have defender, and the firewall, but why is that not enough that most people have to go buy a seperate version just so they can use the overpriced windows OS to begin with? Windows needs to provide one free of charge for all of its customers.
It is also funny someone is narrow minded, so narrow minded. Something is black, must be black, if we cannot be sure it is white.
That we do not know how the hacking occur means we shove our what on what? You have issues or lacking the courage to admit that 99.99999% of the things happen around you without you knowing anything for certainty, that you only rely on some reports or news agency to relay you what they want to write?
They have an authenticator, then it must be free? Oh what logic? When you buy a house, the aircon must be free. Since the house comes with a garage, there must be a free oldsmobile inside? windows needs to provide free of charge whatever comes to your mind. Next time you run a business, I want everything from you, except your underwear. You must give it.
Security is both the user's and company's responsibility. It's even in the EULA, that blizzard will not give out personal information from your account...When someone can hack an account they can get your personal information...lawsuit anyone? I shouldn't have to pay extra in order for Blizzard to keep my information secure. That's like a bank charging you for security. If I don't own the computer/server that the information is stored on, then it's not my responsibility to protect it on that computer/server.
i got hacked a few months back. I got an email from Blizzard about some suspicious activity and found out that someone from a Alabama( think it was Alabama) IP Address logged into my account. They suggested I change my password which I did. Funny thing was the next day the hacker logged back in by requesting a password change again and now I'm locked out of my own account. I finally said screw it, wrote a letter about this to Blizzard to get it fixed because I couldn't get through on the phone and it took them 3 days to reply to my email. I've never been hacked in anyother game nor was I hacked before they merged with Battlenet. If all a Hacker needs to do to get into my account is request a password change than that's nuts.
Ended up cancelling since I didn't play much anyways. I would never give them my new payment information, who knows what else Hacker can do with their software.
I've received plenty of these "messages" from "Blizzard". Well, NOT from Blizzard, actually. All of them FROM FRACKING HACKERS TRYING TO SEE IF I'M STUPID ENOUGH TO GO THEIR FRACKING FAKE WEBSITE AND TYPE IN MY PASSWORD LIKE A GODDAM FRACKING MORON. Now, I'm sure it's POSSIBLE the email you got was legitimate, though I've never heard of any such mails being sent legitimately, but the fact you were locked out of your account THE VERY NEXT DAY makes me just a TINY BIT SUSPICIOUS.
Nah, it's a all a big Blizzard conspiracy. It's NEVER the user's fault.
(I once got a tell in-game from someone using a name like "BlizzrdAccountRep" which warned me my account was "suspicious" and I had to go to some site like "www.blizzard.logincheck.com" and enter my name and password to "verify" it. The scary/hilarious thing is that they wouldn't do this if there weren't people stupid enough to fall for it. A *lot* of people stupid enough to fall for it. This isn't ANYTHING Blizzard can correct. You can't cure stupidity.)
I can tell just by the way you typed out that message that you are not the sharpest tool in the shed. Now, there are multiple ways somebody can hack your account without you being phished through email. Look how easy it was for those hackers to hack the pentagon database. You don't think the same people could easily hack into your email or gain access to your wow account? Hell, you put those wow head data collectors in your add ons, that is one way it is possible, and most people on wow use that wow head thing. Also Gearscore collects data, they too could be taking your info.
Sure, blame the victim when it is clearly blizzard problem. This happens more times with companies like NCsoft and blizzard than with other companies, and they allow the gold sellers to have free run of the game.
FYI... The hackers that hack into secure databases and commit cyber crimes against soverign governments are by no means the same people that steal WoW accounts.
The people that actually HACK have likely never thought about stealing WoW accounts unless hired by a company that deals in illicit gaming activities. And those hired hackers most likely just create tools to steal mass numbers of accounts and dont really hack any individual.
For the most part, nobodys account is hacked. They are all stolen. Stolen in the same way your car would be if you left your keys in a place a thief can easily grab them.
I had my WoW account stolen and banned. I contacted Blizzard via email and it was resolved without issue in 3 days. I have no idea how it happened to be compromised but, I'm not suprised. I dont know what I did but know its ultimately something I did that caused the compromise.
Do I think Blizzard could have a security breach internally? Yes. No company trusts its employees 100% and for good reason. But I dont think its Blizzard itself.
It's also a funny bunch of folks in here that have their heads shoved so far up blizzards butt that they think that it is not somehow their fault rather than the customers.
If they have an authenticator, it should be free to begin with, not some kind of extra security system that blizzard wants to capitalize on. It is just like windows with their security risks and viruses, they should have a free virus detector that comes with windows since this is clearly a windows problem. I know they have defender, and the firewall, but why is that not enough that most people have to go buy a seperate version just so they can use the overpriced windows OS to begin with? Windows needs to provide one free of charge for all of its customers.
Blizzard sells their authenticator as an attempt to correct the stupidity of their users. The authenticator makes it so that even if you are a moron and have given away your password to a scammer or have inadvertently installed a keylogger, the bad guys still can't take control of your account. Before they had it, Blizzard spent an incredible amount of wasted time restoring people's accounts due to their own foolishness. Now they don't have to do it quite as much. That is the ONLY reason that the authenticator exists...
As for your comment about Windows - while it is true that there is far more malware for Windows than any other operating system, the reason for that is because more people worldwide use Windows than any other OS BY FAR. From a hacker's standpoint, it would be a waste of time to design malware for any other platform. They want to infect and steal from as many people as possible, so Windows is the logical choice. If Mac OS or Linux ever fully overtake Windows, I guarantee you there will be malware galore for them as well.
Windows is an OS with open architecture design. Meaning others can add functionality to windows on their own initiative. That means other parties can add functionalities, including functionalities with malicious intenT.
There are other closed architecture designs, in which hacking from outside is well nigh impossible. Dumb terminals are an extreme example.
If you want open market solutions, including billions of freeware, springing up every second, you have to accept the risk of some innocently looking malicious-ware.
I have not used my WOW account in over six months. I have not logged in, checked my status or anything in all this period. I have stopped paying a monthly fee and have moved on until Cataclysm comes. Yesterday, I get an email from Blizzard that a request was made for my password to be changed and then I get an email stating that there is suspicious activity with my account. My account is not active at all, so i don't even see how this is possible.
So I go to check my account and I can no longer log in due to someone setting a mobile authenticator to my account. So now I have to contact Account Support to try to figure out how to log in to my account, and waste all this time for an account I don't even use anymore.
There was no keylogging, virus, or any other attempt from my end as I am using a new computer and have not ever logged into my WOW account with my new laptop and I no longer use my old computer.
So to say that account hacked is soley the user's fault is ridiculous to me. The whole Real ID fiasco and BattleNet have made security a real issue with WOW. I play at least ten other games, plus manage my own web sites and no other account has been interrrupted or affect, plus I don't key into my accounts and instead use the Norton Cards for all my Internet use.
I don't believe I will be playing Cataclysm if this matter is not cleared up because that would mean having to but WOW and all the expansions again to create an account for a game I have moved on from.
For those who have not experienced this issue and want to just blame people for their stupidity is never a helpful way to understand a community that is suffering from its own stagnant growth and greed from the manufacturers.
If you want to know what will kill WOW, it will be the community and company and not the gameplay itself.
You guys are a funny bunch, you went home one day, the door perfectly locked but your TV set stolen. So you run to the sheriff throwing out crazy theory about demons rising from within the house and fly out of the chimney carrying it?
Come on, you do not know how the hacker get it. nor do we. Period. No one has to explain to you how you lost YOUR account. We don't know. We cannot come up with a reason, b/c we do not even know you. However, throwing a big conspiracy theory following your unfortunate unexplained event does not make it any more plausible,
You lost you account, checked, You do not know how it happened, checked. Blame no one, if you do not want to blame yourself. No one need to give you an answer, not even the police. No one owe you an explanation, no one can, unless they perform a thorough investigation, about your online bahaviour years ago while you play. Is there enough foundation for that investigation?
It's also a funny bunch of folks in here that have their heads shoved so far up blizzards butt that they think that it is not somehow their fault rather than the customers.
If they have an authenticator, it should be free to begin with, not some kind of extra security system that blizzard wants to capitalize on. It is just like windows with their security risks and viruses, they should have a free virus detector that comes with windows since this is clearly a windows problem. I know they have defender, and the firewall, but why is that not enough that most people have to go buy a seperate version just so they can use the overpriced windows OS to begin with? Windows needs to provide one free of charge for all of its customers.
It is also funny someone is narrow minded, so narrow minded. Something is black, must be black, if we cannot be sure it is white.
That we do not know how the hacking occur means we shove our what on what? You have issues or lacking the courage to admit that 99.99999% of the things happen around you without you knowing anything for certainty, that you only rely on some reports or news agency to relay you what they want to write?
They have an authenticator, then it must be free? Oh what logic? When you buy a house, the aircon must be free. Since the house comes with a garage, there must be a free oldsmobile inside? windows needs to provide free of charge whatever comes to your mind. Next time you run a business, I want everything from you, except your underwear. You must give it.
Since it is their problem and their auntheticator it should come with the game when you pay a subscription. When you pay for ATT DSL they give you AV for free.
Air conditioning is different, when you buy a house you don't buy it off the electric company. SO obviously you are gonna have to pay them for their services. When you buy a house it is yours, and whatever you need to do to secure that house is your responsibility once you have bought it.
You can think of it much like we are renting a game that we pay monthly to have a right to play, they should provide the security systems for it, since it is clearly a blizzard security problem. Instead they want to milk the customer for as much as possible.
i got hacked a few months back. I got an email from Blizzard about some suspicious activity and found out that someone from a Alabama( think it was Alabama) IP Address logged into my account. They suggested I change my password which I did. Funny thing was the next day the hacker logged back in by requesting a password change again and now I'm locked out of my own account. I finally said screw it, wrote a letter about this to Blizzard to get it fixed because I couldn't get through on the phone and it took them 3 days to reply to my email. I've never been hacked in anyother game nor was I hacked before they merged with Battlenet. If all a Hacker needs to do to get into my account is request a password change than that's nuts.
Ended up cancelling since I didn't play much anyways. I would never give them my new payment information, who knows what else Hacker can do with their software.
I've received plenty of these "messages" from "Blizzard". Well, NOT from Blizzard, actually. All of them FROM FRACKING HACKERS TRYING TO SEE IF I'M STUPID ENOUGH TO GO THEIR FRACKING FAKE WEBSITE AND TYPE IN MY PASSWORD LIKE A GODDAM FRACKING MORON. Now, I'm sure it's POSSIBLE the email you got was legitimate, though I've never heard of any such mails being sent legitimately, but the fact you were locked out of your account THE VERY NEXT DAY makes me just a TINY BIT SUSPICIOUS.
Nah, it's a all a big Blizzard conspiracy. It's NEVER the user's fault.
(I once got a tell in-game from someone using a name like "BlizzrdAccountRep" which warned me my account was "suspicious" and I had to go to some site like "www.blizzard.logincheck.com" and enter my name and password to "verify" it. The scary/hilarious thing is that they wouldn't do this if there weren't people stupid enough to fall for it. A *lot* of people stupid enough to fall for it. This isn't ANYTHING Blizzard can correct. You can't cure stupidity.)
I can tell just by the way you typed out that message that you are not the sharpest tool in the shed. Now, there are multiple ways somebody can hack your account without you being phished through email. Look how easy it was for those hackers to hack the pentagon database. You don't think the same people could easily hack into your email or gain access to your wow account? Hell, you put those wow head data collectors in your add ons, that is one way it is possible, and most people on wow use that wow head thing. Also Gearscore collects data, they too could be taking your info.
Sure, blame the victim when it is clearly blizzard problem. This happens more times with companies like NCsoft and blizzard than with other companies, and they allow the gold sellers to have free run of the game.
Easy? You know how it is done?
Who is blaming the victim? No one is trying to blame anyone, except you.
i got hacked a few months back. I got an email from Blizzard about some suspicious activity and found out that someone from a Alabama( think it was Alabama) IP Address logged into my account. They suggested I change my password which I did. Funny thing was the next day the hacker logged back in by requesting a password change again and now I'm locked out of my own account. I finally said screw it, wrote a letter about this to Blizzard to get it fixed because I couldn't get through on the phone and it took them 3 days to reply to my email. I've never been hacked in anyother game nor was I hacked before they merged with Battlenet. If all a Hacker needs to do to get into my account is request a password change than that's nuts.
Ended up cancelling since I didn't play much anyways. I would never give them my new payment information, who knows what else Hacker can do with their software.
I've received plenty of these "messages" from "Blizzard". Well, NOT from Blizzard, actually. All of them FROM FRACKING HACKERS TRYING TO SEE IF I'M STUPID ENOUGH TO GO THEIR FRACKING FAKE WEBSITE AND TYPE IN MY PASSWORD LIKE A GODDAM FRACKING MORON. Now, I'm sure it's POSSIBLE the email you got was legitimate, though I've never heard of any such mails being sent legitimately, but the fact you were locked out of your account THE VERY NEXT DAY makes me just a TINY BIT SUSPICIOUS.
Nah, it's a all a big Blizzard conspiracy. It's NEVER the user's fault.
(I once got a tell in-game from someone using a name like "BlizzrdAccountRep" which warned me my account was "suspicious" and I had to go to some site like "www.blizzard.logincheck.com" and enter my name and password to "verify" it. The scary/hilarious thing is that they wouldn't do this if there weren't people stupid enough to fall for it. A *lot* of people stupid enough to fall for it. This isn't ANYTHING Blizzard can correct. You can't cure stupidity.)
I can tell just by the way you typed out that message that you are not the sharpest tool in the shed. Now, there are multiple ways somebody can hack your account without you being phished through email. Look how easy it was for those hackers to hack the pentagon database. You don't think the same people could easily hack into your email or gain access to your wow account? Hell, you put those wow head data collectors in your add ons, that is one way it is possible, and most people on wow use that wow head thing. Also Gearscore collects data, they too could be taking your info.
Sure, blame the victim when it is clearly blizzard problem. This happens more times with companies like NCsoft and blizzard than with other companies, and they allow the gold sellers to have free run of the game.
FYI... The hackers that hack into secure databases and commit cyber crimes against soverign governments are by no means the same people that steal WoW accounts.
The people that actually HACK have likely never thought about stealing WoW accounts unless hired by a company that deals in illicit gaming activities. And those hired hackers most likely just create tools to steal mass numbers of accounts and dont really hack any individual.
For the most part, nobodys account is hacked. They are all stolen. Stolen in the same way your car would be if you left your keys in a place a thief can easily grab them.
I had my WoW account stolen and banned. I contacted Blizzard via email and it was resolved without issue in 3 days. I have no idea how it happened to be compromised but, I'm not suprised. I dont know what I did but know its ultimately something I did that caused the compromise.
Do I think Blizzard could have a security breach internally? Yes. No company trusts its employees 100% and for good reason. But I dont think its Blizzard itself.
Are you serious? They are obviously internet nerds that want to steal your ID and use it to make money. How do you know some of the same people do not play wow?
Anyhow, most of these hackings occur from over seas, so perhaps not, but what is the difference, I was stating how easy it is to hack into a database for any company.
I have not used my WOW account in over six months. I have not logged in, checked my status or anything in all this period. I have stopped paying a monthly fee and have moved on until Cataclysm comes. Yesterday, I get an email from Blizzard that a request was made for my password to be changed and then I get an email stating that there is suspicious activity with my account. My account is not active at all, so i don't even see how this is possible.
So I go to check my account and I can no longer log in due to someone setting a mobile authenticator to my account. So now I have to contact Account Support to try to figure out how to log in to my account, and waste all this time for an account I don't even use anymore.
There was no keylogging, virus, or any other attempt from my end as I am using a new computer and have not ever logged into my WOW account with my new laptop and I no longer use my old computer.
So to say that account hacked is soley the user's fault is ridiculous to me. The whole Real ID fiasco and BattleNet have made security a real issue with WOW. I play at least ten other games, plus manage my own web sites and no other account has been interrrupted or affect, plus I don't key into my accounts and instead use the Norton Cards for all my Internet use.
I don't believe I will be playing Cataclysm if this matter is not cleared up because that would mean having to but WOW and all the expansions again to create an account for a game I have moved on from.
For those who have not experienced this issue and want to just blame people for their stupidity is never a helpful way to understand a community that is suffering from its own stagnant growth and greed from the manufacturers.
If you want to know what will kill WOW, it will be the community and company and not the gameplay itself.
You guys are a funny bunch, you went home one day, the door perfectly locked but your TV set stolen. So you run to the sheriff throwing out crazy theory about demons rising from within the house and fly out of the chimney carrying it?
Come on, you do not know how the hacker get it. nor do we. Period. No one has to explain to you how you lost YOUR account. We don't know. We cannot come up with a reason, b/c we do not even know you. However, throwing a big conspiracy theory following your unfortunate unexplained event does not make it any more plausible,
You lost you account, checked, You do not know how it happened, checked. Blame no one, if you do not want to blame yourself. No one need to give you an answer, not even the police. No one owe you an explanation, no one can, unless they perform a thorough investigation, about your online bahaviour years ago while you play. Is there enough foundation for that investigation?
It's also a funny bunch of folks in here that have their heads shoved so far up blizzards butt that they think that it is not somehow their fault rather than the customers.
If they have an authenticator, it should be free to begin with, not some kind of extra security system that blizzard wants to capitalize on. It is just like windows with their security risks and viruses, they should have a free virus detector that comes with windows since this is clearly a windows problem. I know they have defender, and the firewall, but why is that not enough that most people have to go buy a seperate version just so they can use the overpriced windows OS to begin with? Windows needs to provide one free of charge for all of its customers.
It is also funny someone is narrow minded, so narrow minded. Something is black, must be black, if we cannot be sure it is white.
That we do not know how the hacking occur means we shove our what on what? You have issues or lacking the courage to admit that 99.99999% of the things happen around you without you knowing anything for certainty, that you only rely on some reports or news agency to relay you what they want to write?
They have an authenticator, then it must be free? Oh what logic? When you buy a house, the aircon must be free. Since the house comes with a garage, there must be a free oldsmobile inside? windows needs to provide free of charge whatever comes to your mind. Next time you run a business, I want everything from you, except your underwear. You must give it.
Since it is their problem and their auntheticator it should come with the game when you pay a subscription. When you pay for ATT DSL they give you AV for free.
Air conditioning is different, when you buy a house you don't buy it off the electric company. SO obviously you are gonna have to pay them for their services. When you buy a house it is yours, and whatever you need to do to secure that house is your responsibility once you have bought it.
You can think of it much like we are renting a game that we pay monthly to have a right to play, they should provide the security systems for it, since it is clearly a blizzard security problem. Instead they want to milk the customer for as much as possible.
yes, i have a general idea of how it is done, and it is relatively easy to do so. Especially with how all these companies now want to share their databases amongst each other now a days. It just takes one bad person to exploit the situation for personal gains. With all those people viewing your information all day, how do we not know some of them may have malicous intent?
I have not used my WOW account in over six months. I have not logged in, checked my status or anything in all this period. I have stopped paying a monthly fee and have moved on until Cataclysm comes. Yesterday, I get an email from Blizzard that a request was made for my password to be changed and then I get an email stating that there is suspicious activity with my account. My account is not active at all, so i don't even see how this is possible.
So I go to check my account and I can no longer log in due to someone setting a mobile authenticator to my account. So now I have to contact Account Support to try to figure out how to log in to my account, and waste all this time for an account I don't even use anymore.
There was no keylogging, virus, or any other attempt from my end as I am using a new computer and have not ever logged into my WOW account with my new laptop and I no longer use my old computer.
So to say that account hacked is soley the user's fault is ridiculous to me. The whole Real ID fiasco and BattleNet have made security a real issue with WOW. I play at least ten other games, plus manage my own web sites and no other account has been interrrupted or affect, plus I don't key into my accounts and instead use the Norton Cards for all my Internet use.
I don't believe I will be playing Cataclysm if this matter is not cleared up because that would mean having to but WOW and all the expansions again to create an account for a game I have moved on from.
For those who have not experienced this issue and want to just blame people for their stupidity is never a helpful way to understand a community that is suffering from its own stagnant growth and greed from the manufacturers.
If you want to know what will kill WOW, it will be the community and company and not the gameplay itself.
You guys are a funny bunch, you went home one day, the door perfectly locked but your TV set stolen. So you run to the sheriff throwing out crazy theory about demons rising from within the house and fly out of the chimney carrying it?
Come on, you do not know how the hacker get it. nor do we. Period. No one has to explain to you how you lost YOUR account. We don't know. We cannot come up with a reason, b/c we do not even know you. However, throwing a big conspiracy theory following your unfortunate unexplained event does not make it any more plausible,
You lost you account, checked, You do not know how it happened, checked. Blame no one, if you do not want to blame yourself. No one need to give you an answer, not even the police. No one owe you an explanation, no one can, unless they perform a thorough investigation, about your online bahaviour years ago while you play. Is there enough foundation for that investigation?
It's also a funny bunch of folks in here that have their heads shoved so far up blizzards butt that they think that it is not somehow their fault rather than the customers.
If they have an authenticator, it should be free to begin with, not some kind of extra security system that blizzard wants to capitalize on. It is just like windows with their security risks and viruses, they should have a free virus detector that comes with windows since this is clearly a windows problem. I know they have defender, and the firewall, but why is that not enough that most people have to go buy a seperate version just so they can use the overpriced windows OS to begin with? Windows needs to provide one free of charge for all of its customers.
It is also funny someone is narrow minded, so narrow minded. Something is black, must be black, if we cannot be sure it is white.
That we do not know how the hacking occur means we shove our what on what? You have issues or lacking the courage to admit that 99.99999% of the things happen around you without you knowing anything for certainty, that you only rely on some reports or news agency to relay you what they want to write?
They have an authenticator, then it must be free? Oh what logic? When you buy a house, the aircon must be free. Since the house comes with a garage, there must be a free oldsmobile inside? windows needs to provide free of charge whatever comes to your mind. Next time you run a business, I want everything from you, except your underwear. You must give it.
Security is both the user's and company's responsibility. It's even in the EULA, that blizzard will not give out personal information from your account...When someone can hack an account they can get your personal information...lawsuit anyone? I shouldn't have to pay extra in order for Blizzard to keep my information secure. That's like a bank charging you for security. If I don't own the computer/server that the information is stored on, then it's not my responsibility to protect it on that computer/server.
You are losing sense.
Security is both sides' business. You got any proof, not just your anger, solid proof, that blizz is neglecting its share of responsibility? Prove it. Angry words and humiliations at us, us who are neutral, does not make a case. I only say I do not know how the hacking occur. That is not acceptable a stand?
You should not have to pay extra ... . What rule is that? Who decides what you should pay? You? Kindergarten level business sense: if you need a reminder. The seller offers a service, with a pricing schedule, buy or move on. Oh I am now looking at the menu of a restaurant, since I ordered dinner, I should not have to pay for the wine. Is that your logic?
i got hacked a few months back. I got an email from Blizzard about some suspicious activity and found out that someone from a Alabama( think it was Alabama) IP Address logged into my account. They suggested I change my password which I did. Funny thing was the next day the hacker logged back in by requesting a password change again and now I'm locked out of my own account. I finally said screw it, wrote a letter about this to Blizzard to get it fixed because I couldn't get through on the phone and it took them 3 days to reply to my email. I've never been hacked in anyother game nor was I hacked before they merged with Battlenet. If all a Hacker needs to do to get into my account is request a password change than that's nuts.
Ended up cancelling since I didn't play much anyways. I would never give them my new payment information, who knows what else Hacker can do with their software.
I've received plenty of these "messages" from "Blizzard". Well, NOT from Blizzard, actually. All of them FROM FRACKING HACKERS TRYING TO SEE IF I'M STUPID ENOUGH TO GO THEIR FRACKING FAKE WEBSITE AND TYPE IN MY PASSWORD LIKE A GODDAM FRACKING MORON. Now, I'm sure it's POSSIBLE the email you got was legitimate, though I've never heard of any such mails being sent legitimately, but the fact you were locked out of your account THE VERY NEXT DAY makes me just a TINY BIT SUSPICIOUS.
Nah, it's a all a big Blizzard conspiracy. It's NEVER the user's fault.
(I once got a tell in-game from someone using a name like "BlizzrdAccountRep" which warned me my account was "suspicious" and I had to go to some site like "www.blizzard.logincheck.com" and enter my name and password to "verify" it. The scary/hilarious thing is that they wouldn't do this if there weren't people stupid enough to fall for it. A *lot* of people stupid enough to fall for it. This isn't ANYTHING Blizzard can correct. You can't cure stupidity.)
I can tell just by the way you typed out that message that you are not the sharpest tool in the shed. Now, there are multiple ways somebody can hack your account without you being phished through email. Look how easy it was for those hackers to hack the pentagon database. You don't think the same people could easily hack into your email or gain access to your wow account? Hell, you put those wow head data collectors in your add ons, that is one way it is possible, and most people on wow use that wow head thing. Also Gearscore collects data, they too could be taking your info.
Sure, blame the victim when it is clearly blizzard problem. This happens more times with companies like NCsoft and blizzard than with other companies, and they allow the gold sellers to have free run of the game.
Easy? You know how it is done?
Who is blaming the victim? No one is trying to blame anyone, except you.
damn this crappy forum , sorry for the double.
yes, i have a general idea of how it is done, and it is relatively easy to do so. Especially with how all these companies now want to share their databases amongst each other now a days. It just takes one bad person to exploit the situation for personal gains. With all those people viewing your information all day, how do we not know some of them may have malicous intent?
I have not used my WOW account in over six months. I have not logged in, checked my status or anything in all this period. I have stopped paying a monthly fee and have moved on until Cataclysm comes. Yesterday, I get an email from Blizzard that a request was made for my password to be changed and then I get an email stating that there is suspicious activity with my account. My account is not active at all, so i don't even see how this is possible.
So I go to check my account and I can no longer log in due to someone setting a mobile authenticator to my account. So now I have to contact Account Support to try to figure out how to log in to my account, and waste all this time for an account I don't even use anymore.
There was no keylogging, virus, or any other attempt from my end as I am using a new computer and have not ever logged into my WOW account with my new laptop and I no longer use my old computer.
So to say that account hacked is soley the user's fault is ridiculous to me. The whole Real ID fiasco and BattleNet have made security a real issue with WOW. I play at least ten other games, plus manage my own web sites and no other account has been interrrupted or affect, plus I don't key into my accounts and instead use the Norton Cards for all my Internet use.
I don't believe I will be playing Cataclysm if this matter is not cleared up because that would mean having to but WOW and all the expansions again to create an account for a game I have moved on from.
For those who have not experienced this issue and want to just blame people for their stupidity is never a helpful way to understand a community that is suffering from its own stagnant growth and greed from the manufacturers.
If you want to know what will kill WOW, it will be the community and company and not the gameplay itself.
You guys are a funny bunch, you went home one day, the door perfectly locked but your TV set stolen. So you run to the sheriff throwing out crazy theory about demons rising from within the house and fly out of the chimney carrying it?
Come on, you do not know how the hacker get it. nor do we. Period. No one has to explain to you how you lost YOUR account. We don't know. We cannot come up with a reason, b/c we do not even know you. However, throwing a big conspiracy theory following your unfortunate unexplained event does not make it any more plausible,
You lost you account, checked, You do not know how it happened, checked. Blame no one, if you do not want to blame yourself. No one need to give you an answer, not even the police. No one owe you an explanation, no one can, unless they perform a thorough investigation, about your online bahaviour years ago while you play. Is there enough foundation for that investigation?
It's also a funny bunch of folks in here that have their heads shoved so far up blizzards butt that they think that it is not somehow their fault rather than the customers.
If they have an authenticator, it should be free to begin with, not some kind of extra security system that blizzard wants to capitalize on. It is just like windows with their security risks and viruses, they should have a free virus detector that comes with windows since this is clearly a windows problem. I know they have defender, and the firewall, but why is that not enough that most people have to go buy a seperate version just so they can use the overpriced windows OS to begin with? Windows needs to provide one free of charge for all of its customers.
It is also funny someone is narrow minded, so narrow minded. Something is black, must be black, if we cannot be sure it is white.
That we do not know how the hacking occur means we shove our what on what? You have issues or lacking the courage to admit that 99.99999% of the things happen around you without you knowing anything for certainty, that you only rely on some reports or news agency to relay you what they want to write?
They have an authenticator, then it must be free? Oh what logic? When you buy a house, the aircon must be free. Since the house comes with a garage, there must be a free oldsmobile inside? windows needs to provide free of charge whatever comes to your mind. Next time you run a business, I want everything from you, except your underwear. You must give it.
Security is both the user's and company's responsibility. It's even in the EULA, that blizzard will not give out personal information from your account...When someone can hack an account they can get your personal information...lawsuit anyone? I shouldn't have to pay extra in order for Blizzard to keep my information secure. That's like a bank charging you for security. If I don't own the computer/server that the information is stored on, then it's not my responsibility to protect it on that computer/server.
You are losing sense.
Security is both sides' business. You got any proof, not just your anger, solid proof, that blizz is neglecting its share of responsibility? Prove it. Angry words and humiliations at us, us who are neutral, does not make a case. I only say I do not know how the hacking occur. That is not acceptable a stand?
You should not have to pay extra ... . What rule is that? Who decides what you should pay? You? Kindergarten level business sense: if you need a reminder. The seller offers a service, with a pricing schedule, buy or move on. Oh I am now looking at the menu of a restaurant, since I ordered dinner, I should not have to pay for the wine. Is that your logic?
the proof is in programs like real id where they want to give your private information to other companies so they can capitalize off of that information. If that is not a securtiy risk in itself , i don't know what would be.
The problem is that the majority of people sticking up for blizzard here are children that do not value their private information as much as adults. The adults know that if blizzard fails to protect their identity that ould result in their entire lives being ruined by becoming the victim of Identity theft, many of us have experience with such a thing. Adults value their personal information more than children do, we have plenty at stake when it comes to our personal digits.
I have not used my WOW account in over six months. I have not logged in, checked my status or anything in all this period. I have stopped paying a monthly fee and have moved on until Cataclysm comes. Yesterday, I get an email from Blizzard that a request was made for my password to be changed and then I get an email stating that there is suspicious activity with my account. My account is not active at all, so i don't even see how this is possible.
So I go to check my account and I can no longer log in due to someone setting a mobile authenticator to my account. So now I have to contact Account Support to try to figure out how to log in to my account, and waste all this time for an account I don't even use anymore.
There was no keylogging, virus, or any other attempt from my end as I am using a new computer and have not ever logged into my WOW account with my new laptop and I no longer use my old computer.
So to say that account hacked is soley the user's fault is ridiculous to me. The whole Real ID fiasco and BattleNet have made security a real issue with WOW. I play at least ten other games, plus manage my own web sites and no other account has been interrrupted or affect, plus I don't key into my accounts and instead use the Norton Cards for all my Internet use.
I don't believe I will be playing Cataclysm if this matter is not cleared up because that would mean having to but WOW and all the expansions again to create an account for a game I have moved on from.
For those who have not experienced this issue and want to just blame people for their stupidity is never a helpful way to understand a community that is suffering from its own stagnant growth and greed from the manufacturers.
If you want to know what will kill WOW, it will be the community and company and not the gameplay itself.
You guys are a funny bunch, you went home one day, the door perfectly locked but your TV set stolen. So you run to the sheriff throwing out crazy theory about demons rising from within the house and fly out of the chimney carrying it?
Come on, you do not know how the hacker get it. nor do we. Period. No one has to explain to you how you lost YOUR account. We don't know. We cannot come up with a reason, b/c we do not even know you. However, throwing a big conspiracy theory following your unfortunate unexplained event does not make it any more plausible,
You lost you account, checked, You do not know how it happened, checked. Blame no one, if you do not want to blame yourself. No one need to give you an answer, not even the police. No one owe you an explanation, no one can, unless they perform a thorough investigation, about your online bahaviour years ago while you play. Is there enough foundation for that investigation?
It's also a funny bunch of folks in here that have their heads shoved so far up blizzards butt that they think that it is not somehow their fault rather than the customers.
If they have an authenticator, it should be free to begin with, not some kind of extra security system that blizzard wants to capitalize on. It is just like windows with their security risks and viruses, they should have a free virus detector that comes with windows since this is clearly a windows problem. I know they have defender, and the firewall, but why is that not enough that most people have to go buy a seperate version just so they can use the overpriced windows OS to begin with? Windows needs to provide one free of charge for all of its customers.
It is also funny someone is narrow minded, so narrow minded. Something is black, must be black, if we cannot be sure it is white.
That we do not know how the hacking occur means we shove our what on what? You have issues or lacking the courage to admit that 99.99999% of the things happen around you without you knowing anything for certainty, that you only rely on some reports or news agency to relay you what they want to write?
They have an authenticator, then it must be free? Oh what logic? When you buy a house, the aircon must be free. Since the house comes with a garage, there must be a free oldsmobile inside? windows needs to provide free of charge whatever comes to your mind. Next time you run a business, I want everything from you, except your underwear. You must give it.
Since it is their problem and their auntheticator it should come with the game when you pay a subscription. When you pay for ATT DSL they give you AV for free.
Air conditioning is different, when you buy a house you don't buy it off the electric company. SO obviously you are gonna have to pay them for their services. When you buy a house it is yours, and whatever you need to do to secure that house is your responsibility once you have bought it.
You can think of it much like we are renting a game that we pay monthly to have a right to play, they should provide the security systems for it, since it is clearly a blizzard security problem. Instead they want to milk the customer for as much as possible.
You are losing common sense.
When is it a problem? You buy for the right to use an account, you lost the account. It is your problem. Not Blizz. Blizz is not responsible for your losing your own account. They are the only game provider on earth to spend their effort in providing an authenticator, and if you have any sense of business, they are losing money selling it.
You buy a car, someone stole it. So suddenly the theft prevention devices should be free? You go to a mall and someone picked your pocket, suddenly bodyguards and personal security officers should be provided free of charge.
When will you kind stop blaming others for your own issues.
I have not used my WOW account in over six months. I have not logged in, checked my status or anything in all this period. I have stopped paying a monthly fee and have moved on until Cataclysm comes. Yesterday, I get an email from Blizzard that a request was made for my password to be changed and then I get an email stating that there is suspicious activity with my account. My account is not active at all, so i don't even see how this is possible.
So I go to check my account and I can no longer log in due to someone setting a mobile authenticator to my account. So now I have to contact Account Support to try to figure out how to log in to my account, and waste all this time for an account I don't even use anymore.
There was no keylogging, virus, or any other attempt from my end as I am using a new computer and have not ever logged into my WOW account with my new laptop and I no longer use my old computer.
So to say that account hacked is soley the user's fault is ridiculous to me. The whole Real ID fiasco and BattleNet have made security a real issue with WOW. I play at least ten other games, plus manage my own web sites and no other account has been interrrupted or affect, plus I don't key into my accounts and instead use the Norton Cards for all my Internet use.
I don't believe I will be playing Cataclysm if this matter is not cleared up because that would mean having to but WOW and all the expansions again to create an account for a game I have moved on from.
For those who have not experienced this issue and want to just blame people for their stupidity is never a helpful way to understand a community that is suffering from its own stagnant growth and greed from the manufacturers.
If you want to know what will kill WOW, it will be the community and company and not the gameplay itself.
You guys are a funny bunch, you went home one day, the door perfectly locked but your TV set stolen. So you run to the sheriff throwing out crazy theory about demons rising from within the house and fly out of the chimney carrying it?
Come on, you do not know how the hacker get it. nor do we. Period. No one has to explain to you how you lost YOUR account. We don't know. We cannot come up with a reason, b/c we do not even know you. However, throwing a big conspiracy theory following your unfortunate unexplained event does not make it any more plausible,
You lost you account, checked, You do not know how it happened, checked. Blame no one, if you do not want to blame yourself. No one need to give you an answer, not even the police. No one owe you an explanation, no one can, unless they perform a thorough investigation, about your online bahaviour years ago while you play. Is there enough foundation for that investigation?
It's also a funny bunch of folks in here that have their heads shoved so far up blizzards butt that they think that it is not somehow their fault rather than the customers.
If they have an authenticator, it should be free to begin with, not some kind of extra security system that blizzard wants to capitalize on. It is just like windows with their security risks and viruses, they should have a free virus detector that comes with windows since this is clearly a windows problem. I know they have defender, and the firewall, but why is that not enough that most people have to go buy a seperate version just so they can use the overpriced windows OS to begin with? Windows needs to provide one free of charge for all of its customers.
It is also funny someone is narrow minded, so narrow minded. Something is black, must be black, if we cannot be sure it is white.
That we do not know how the hacking occur means we shove our what on what? You have issues or lacking the courage to admit that 99.99999% of the things happen around you without you knowing anything for certainty, that you only rely on some reports or news agency to relay you what they want to write?
They have an authenticator, then it must be free? Oh what logic? When you buy a house, the aircon must be free. Since the house comes with a garage, there must be a free oldsmobile inside? windows needs to provide free of charge whatever comes to your mind. Next time you run a business, I want everything from you, except your underwear. You must give it.
Since it is their problem and their auntheticator it should come with the game when you pay a subscription. When you pay for ATT DSL they give you AV for free.
Air conditioning is different, when you buy a house you don't buy it off the electric company. SO obviously you are gonna have to pay them for their services. When you buy a house it is yours, and whatever you need to do to secure that house is your responsibility once you have bought it.
You can think of it much like we are renting a game that we pay monthly to have a right to play, they should provide the security systems for it, since it is clearly a blizzard security problem. Instead they want to milk the customer for as much as possible.
yes, i have a general idea of how it is done, and it is relatively easy to do so. Especially with how all these companies now want to share their databases amongst each other now a days. It just takes one bad person to exploit the situation for personal gains. With all those people viewing your information all day, how do we not know some of them may have malicous intent?
You have a general idea, and that is all your evidence, your proof. I also have a general idea about some bored old man sitting in front of tjhe company throwing out conspiracy theories, trying to attract attention and pretend to be very wise. After all, you need not be responsible for all your accusations.
Prove your case, not use a general idea, follow by some vague words. Who did it and how? Evidence?
Okay I feel the need to correct an obvious misconception here...
As with most MMOs, Blizzard's account information is encrypted on their servers. This means that even if someone were to somehow steal that information from them, it would be extremely difficult to decrypt and read. Even Blizzard employees themselves cannot see what your password is. That is why the password has to be reset automatically through their system when someone forgets a password. They cannot provide it to you...
While it is possible that someone MIGHT be able to penetrate their database to retrieve stored user account information, it is EXTREMELY unlikely and would likely be the topic of widespread news reports if it actually happened. It is FAR more likely that usernames/passwords are stolen through phishing scams and/or keyloggers that the players are responsible for allowing. Blizzard has said many times that players should be wary about what they install on their machines and also that they would NEVER ask for account information... yet people continually fall for these scams each and every day.
As others have said, you can't cure stupidity. But Blizzard has tried to do so anyway with their authenticators.
I have not used my WOW account in over six months. I have not logged in, checked my status or anything in all this period. I have stopped paying a monthly fee and have moved on until Cataclysm comes. Yesterday, I get an email from Blizzard that a request was made for my password to be changed and then I get an email stating that there is suspicious activity with my account. My account is not active at all, so i don't even see how this is possible.
So I go to check my account and I can no longer log in due to someone setting a mobile authenticator to my account. So now I have to contact Account Support to try to figure out how to log in to my account, and waste all this time for an account I don't even use anymore.
There was no keylogging, virus, or any other attempt from my end as I am using a new computer and have not ever logged into my WOW account with my new laptop and I no longer use my old computer.
So to say that account hacked is soley the user's fault is ridiculous to me. The whole Real ID fiasco and BattleNet have made security a real issue with WOW. I play at least ten other games, plus manage my own web sites and no other account has been interrrupted or affect, plus I don't key into my accounts and instead use the Norton Cards for all my Internet use.
I don't believe I will be playing Cataclysm if this matter is not cleared up because that would mean having to but WOW and all the expansions again to create an account for a game I have moved on from.
For those who have not experienced this issue and want to just blame people for their stupidity is never a helpful way to understand a community that is suffering from its own stagnant growth and greed from the manufacturers.
If you want to know what will kill WOW, it will be the community and company and not the gameplay itself.
You guys are a funny bunch, you went home one day, the door perfectly locked but your TV set stolen. So you run to the sheriff throwing out crazy theory about demons rising from within the house and fly out of the chimney carrying it?
Come on, you do not know how the hacker get it. nor do we. Period. No one has to explain to you how you lost YOUR account. We don't know. We cannot come up with a reason, b/c we do not even know you. However, throwing a big conspiracy theory following your unfortunate unexplained event does not make it any more plausible,
You lost you account, checked, You do not know how it happened, checked. Blame no one, if you do not want to blame yourself. No one need to give you an answer, not even the police. No one owe you an explanation, no one can, unless they perform a thorough investigation, about your online bahaviour years ago while you play. Is there enough foundation for that investigation?
It's also a funny bunch of folks in here that have their heads shoved so far up blizzards butt that they think that it is not somehow their fault rather than the customers.
If they have an authenticator, it should be free to begin with, not some kind of extra security system that blizzard wants to capitalize on. It is just like windows with their security risks and viruses, they should have a free virus detector that comes with windows since this is clearly a windows problem. I know they have defender, and the firewall, but why is that not enough that most people have to go buy a seperate version just so they can use the overpriced windows OS to begin with? Windows needs to provide one free of charge for all of its customers.
It is also funny someone is narrow minded, so narrow minded. Something is black, must be black, if we cannot be sure it is white.
That we do not know how the hacking occur means we shove our what on what? You have issues or lacking the courage to admit that 99.99999% of the things happen around you without you knowing anything for certainty, that you only rely on some reports or news agency to relay you what they want to write?
They have an authenticator, then it must be free? Oh what logic? When you buy a house, the aircon must be free. Since the house comes with a garage, there must be a free oldsmobile inside? windows needs to provide free of charge whatever comes to your mind. Next time you run a business, I want everything from you, except your underwear. You must give it.
Security is both the user's and company's responsibility. It's even in the EULA, that blizzard will not give out personal information from your account...When someone can hack an account they can get your personal information...lawsuit anyone? I shouldn't have to pay extra in order for Blizzard to keep my information secure. That's like a bank charging you for security. If I don't own the computer/server that the information is stored on, then it's not my responsibility to protect it on that computer/server.
You are losing sense.
Security is both sides' business. You got any proof, not just your anger, solid proof, that blizz is neglecting its share of responsibility? Prove it. Angry words and humiliations at us, us who are neutral, does not make a case. I only say I do not know how the hacking occur. That is not acceptable a stand?
You should not have to pay extra ... . What rule is that? Who decides what you should pay? You? Kindergarten level business sense: if you need a reminder. The seller offers a service, with a pricing schedule, buy or move on. Oh I am now looking at the menu of a restaurant, since I ordered dinner, I should not have to pay for the wine. Is that your logic?
the proof is in programs like real id where they want to give your private information to other companies so they can capitalize off of that information. If that is not a securtiy risk in itself , i don't know what would be.
The problem is that the majority of people sticking up for blizzard here are children that do not value their private information as much as adults. The adults know that if blizzard fails to protect their identity that ould result in their entire lives being ruined by becoming the victim of Identity theft, many of us have experience with such a thing. Adults value their personal information more than children do, we have plenty at stake when it comes to our personal digits.
You know the reader's digest? You know what happen when you join the friendly club of the department store?
If you cherish your privacy, check before giving out your details. Is there an entry in the form saying that the information will not be shared with ...? Subjected to the limits of any laws on privacy, information you so eagerly give on the internet is freebie. IF you think blizz has broken the law, sue them, otherwise eat it.
I am possibly older than your father, so stop pretending that anyone not agreeing with you are children, or innocent. I have been working in business consultancy for 27 years and about to retire. I see no case in your argument just a lot of hot air, supplemented by attempts at insults ("children") when you failed to make a case.
I have not used my WOW account in over six months. I have not logged in, checked my status or anything in all this period. I have stopped paying a monthly fee and have moved on until Cataclysm comes. Yesterday, I get an email from Blizzard that a request was made for my password to be changed and then I get an email stating that there is suspicious activity with my account. My account is not active at all, so i don't even see how this is possible.
So I go to check my account and I can no longer log in due to someone setting a mobile authenticator to my account. So now I have to contact Account Support to try to figure out how to log in to my account, and waste all this time for an account I don't even use anymore.
There was no keylogging, virus, or any other attempt from my end as I am using a new computer and have not ever logged into my WOW account with my new laptop and I no longer use my old computer.
So to say that account hacked is soley the user's fault is ridiculous to me. The whole Real ID fiasco and BattleNet have made security a real issue with WOW. I play at least ten other games, plus manage my own web sites and no other account has been interrrupted or affect, plus I don't key into my accounts and instead use the Norton Cards for all my Internet use.
I don't believe I will be playing Cataclysm if this matter is not cleared up because that would mean having to but WOW and all the expansions again to create an account for a game I have moved on from.
For those who have not experienced this issue and want to just blame people for their stupidity is never a helpful way to understand a community that is suffering from its own stagnant growth and greed from the manufacturers.
If you want to know what will kill WOW, it will be the community and company and not the gameplay itself.
You guys are a funny bunch, you went home one day, the door perfectly locked but your TV set stolen. So you run to the sheriff throwing out crazy theory about demons rising from within the house and fly out of the chimney carrying it?
Come on, you do not know how the hacker get it. nor do we. Period. No one has to explain to you how you lost YOUR account. We don't know. We cannot come up with a reason, b/c we do not even know you. However, throwing a big conspiracy theory following your unfortunate unexplained event does not make it any more plausible,
You lost you account, checked, You do not know how it happened, checked. Blame no one, if you do not want to blame yourself. No one need to give you an answer, not even the police. No one owe you an explanation, no one can, unless they perform a thorough investigation, about your online bahaviour years ago while you play. Is there enough foundation for that investigation?
It's also a funny bunch of folks in here that have their heads shoved so far up blizzards butt that they think that it is not somehow their fault rather than the customers.
If they have an authenticator, it should be free to begin with, not some kind of extra security system that blizzard wants to capitalize on. It is just like windows with their security risks and viruses, they should have a free virus detector that comes with windows since this is clearly a windows problem. I know they have defender, and the firewall, but why is that not enough that most people have to go buy a seperate version just so they can use the overpriced windows OS to begin with? Windows needs to provide one free of charge for all of its customers.
It is also funny someone is narrow minded, so narrow minded. Something is black, must be black, if we cannot be sure it is white.
That we do not know how the hacking occur means we shove our what on what? You have issues or lacking the courage to admit that 99.99999% of the things happen around you without you knowing anything for certainty, that you only rely on some reports or news agency to relay you what they want to write?
They have an authenticator, then it must be free? Oh what logic? When you buy a house, the aircon must be free. Since the house comes with a garage, there must be a free oldsmobile inside? windows needs to provide free of charge whatever comes to your mind. Next time you run a business, I want everything from you, except your underwear. You must give it.
Since it is their problem and their auntheticator it should come with the game when you pay a subscription. When you pay for ATT DSL they give you AV for free.
Air conditioning is different, when you buy a house you don't buy it off the electric company. SO obviously you are gonna have to pay them for their services. When you buy a house it is yours, and whatever you need to do to secure that house is your responsibility once you have bought it.
You can think of it much like we are renting a game that we pay monthly to have a right to play, they should provide the security systems for it, since it is clearly a blizzard security problem. Instead they want to milk the customer for as much as possible.
You are losing common sense.
When is it a problem? You buy for the right to use an account, you lost the account. It is your problem. Not Blizz. Blizz is not responsible for your losing your own account. They are the only game provider on earth to spend their effort in providing an authenticator, and if you have any sense of business, they are losing money selling it.
You buy a car, someone stole it. So suddenly the theft prevention devices should be free? You go to a mall and someone picked your pocket, suddenly bodyguards and personal security officers should be provided free of charge.
When will you kind stop blaming others for your own issues.
when will the children of the world learn to stop allowing these companies to walk all over us and sell our information to the highest bidder?
I trust my private information to a company and for what? So they can sell it to other people and than i get harrassing phone calls and emails as a result of that companies actions. This kind of nonsense needs to stop, but with so many stupid or uneducated people on the internet and in the world today, they are paving the way for this sort of thing to continue to happen and for our lives to be further intruded upon.
Blizzard needs to be made an example of, for other companies in the future. You don't want to value my private information, well than I will not buy any more services from you. After all this is only a game. The children cannot live without their World of Warcraft so they just allow the big business to do as they please, which enables them and other companies to continue to do what they please with your private information.
I have not used my WOW account in over six months. I have not logged in, checked my status or anything in all this period. I have stopped paying a monthly fee and have moved on until Cataclysm comes. Yesterday, I get an email from Blizzard that a request was made for my password to be changed and then I get an email stating that there is suspicious activity with my account. My account is not active at all, so i don't even see how this is possible.
So I go to check my account and I can no longer log in due to someone setting a mobile authenticator to my account. So now I have to contact Account Support to try to figure out how to log in to my account, and waste all this time for an account I don't even use anymore.
There was no keylogging, virus, or any other attempt from my end as I am using a new computer and have not ever logged into my WOW account with my new laptop and I no longer use my old computer.
So to say that account hacked is soley the user's fault is ridiculous to me. The whole Real ID fiasco and BattleNet have made security a real issue with WOW. I play at least ten other games, plus manage my own web sites and no other account has been interrrupted or affect, plus I don't key into my accounts and instead use the Norton Cards for all my Internet use.
I don't believe I will be playing Cataclysm if this matter is not cleared up because that would mean having to but WOW and all the expansions again to create an account for a game I have moved on from.
For those who have not experienced this issue and want to just blame people for their stupidity is never a helpful way to understand a community that is suffering from its own stagnant growth and greed from the manufacturers.
If you want to know what will kill WOW, it will be the community and company and not the gameplay itself.
You guys are a funny bunch, you went home one day, the door perfectly locked but your TV set stolen. So you run to the sheriff throwing out crazy theory about demons rising from within the house and fly out of the chimney carrying it?
Come on, you do not know how the hacker get it. nor do we. Period. No one has to explain to you how you lost YOUR account. We don't know. We cannot come up with a reason, b/c we do not even know you. However, throwing a big conspiracy theory following your unfortunate unexplained event does not make it any more plausible,
You lost you account, checked, You do not know how it happened, checked. Blame no one, if you do not want to blame yourself. No one need to give you an answer, not even the police. No one owe you an explanation, no one can, unless they perform a thorough investigation, about your online bahaviour years ago while you play. Is there enough foundation for that investigation?
It's also a funny bunch of folks in here that have their heads shoved so far up blizzards butt that they think that it is not somehow their fault rather than the customers.
If they have an authenticator, it should be free to begin with, not some kind of extra security system that blizzard wants to capitalize on. It is just like windows with their security risks and viruses, they should have a free virus detector that comes with windows since this is clearly a windows problem. I know they have defender, and the firewall, but why is that not enough that most people have to go buy a seperate version just so they can use the overpriced windows OS to begin with? Windows needs to provide one free of charge for all of its customers.
It is also funny someone is narrow minded, so narrow minded. Something is black, must be black, if we cannot be sure it is white.
That we do not know how the hacking occur means we shove our what on what? You have issues or lacking the courage to admit that 99.99999% of the things happen around you without you knowing anything for certainty, that you only rely on some reports or news agency to relay you what they want to write?
They have an authenticator, then it must be free? Oh what logic? When you buy a house, the aircon must be free. Since the house comes with a garage, there must be a free oldsmobile inside? windows needs to provide free of charge whatever comes to your mind. Next time you run a business, I want everything from you, except your underwear. You must give it.
Since it is their problem and their auntheticator it should come with the game when you pay a subscription. When you pay for ATT DSL they give you AV for free.
Air conditioning is different, when you buy a house you don't buy it off the electric company. SO obviously you are gonna have to pay them for their services. When you buy a house it is yours, and whatever you need to do to secure that house is your responsibility once you have bought it.
You can think of it much like we are renting a game that we pay monthly to have a right to play, they should provide the security systems for it, since it is clearly a blizzard security problem. Instead they want to milk the customer for as much as possible.
You are losing common sense.
When is it a problem? You buy for the right to use an account, you lost the account. It is your problem. Not Blizz. Blizz is not responsible for your losing your own account. They are the only game provider on earth to spend their effort in providing an authenticator, and if you have any sense of business, they are losing money selling it.
You buy a car, someone stole it. So suddenly the theft prevention devices should be free? You go to a mall and someone picked your pocket, suddenly bodyguards and personal security officers should be provided free of charge.
When will you kind stop blaming others for your own issues.
He's likely a socialist. He wants none of his problems to be his. He wants no responsibility and wants everyone else to take care of him.
My account was stolen and I dealt with it. Do I think Blizzard could do more to stop it? Yes. Do I think that offering me an authenticator for free on my ipod is enough? Yes.
Blizzard is feeling Microsoft's pain of being the biggest dog in the respective yards. Because they are big they get the brunt of the focus and people will target them over smaller dogs.
I have not used my WOW account in over six months. I have not logged in, checked my status or anything in all this period. I have stopped paying a monthly fee and have moved on until Cataclysm comes. Yesterday, I get an email from Blizzard that a request was made for my password to be changed and then I get an email stating that there is suspicious activity with my account. My account is not active at all, so i don't even see how this is possible.
So I go to check my account and I can no longer log in due to someone setting a mobile authenticator to my account. So now I have to contact Account Support to try to figure out how to log in to my account, and waste all this time for an account I don't even use anymore.
There was no keylogging, virus, or any other attempt from my end as I am using a new computer and have not ever logged into my WOW account with my new laptop and I no longer use my old computer.
So to say that account hacked is soley the user's fault is ridiculous to me. The whole Real ID fiasco and BattleNet have made security a real issue with WOW. I play at least ten other games, plus manage my own web sites and no other account has been interrrupted or affect, plus I don't key into my accounts and instead use the Norton Cards for all my Internet use.
I don't believe I will be playing Cataclysm if this matter is not cleared up because that would mean having to but WOW and all the expansions again to create an account for a game I have moved on from.
For those who have not experienced this issue and want to just blame people for their stupidity is never a helpful way to understand a community that is suffering from its own stagnant growth and greed from the manufacturers.
If you want to know what will kill WOW, it will be the community and company and not the gameplay itself.
You guys are a funny bunch, you went home one day, the door perfectly locked but your TV set stolen. So you run to the sheriff throwing out crazy theory about demons rising from within the house and fly out of the chimney carrying it?
Come on, you do not know how the hacker get it. nor do we. Period. No one has to explain to you how you lost YOUR account. We don't know. We cannot come up with a reason, b/c we do not even know you. However, throwing a big conspiracy theory following your unfortunate unexplained event does not make it any more plausible,
You lost you account, checked, You do not know how it happened, checked. Blame no one, if you do not want to blame yourself. No one need to give you an answer, not even the police. No one owe you an explanation, no one can, unless they perform a thorough investigation, about your online bahaviour years ago while you play. Is there enough foundation for that investigation?
It's also a funny bunch of folks in here that have their heads shoved so far up blizzards butt that they think that it is not somehow their fault rather than the customers.
If they have an authenticator, it should be free to begin with, not some kind of extra security system that blizzard wants to capitalize on. It is just like windows with their security risks and viruses, they should have a free virus detector that comes with windows since this is clearly a windows problem. I know they have defender, and the firewall, but why is that not enough that most people have to go buy a seperate version just so they can use the overpriced windows OS to begin with? Windows needs to provide one free of charge for all of its customers.
It is also funny someone is narrow minded, so narrow minded. Something is black, must be black, if we cannot be sure it is white.
That we do not know how the hacking occur means we shove our what on what? You have issues or lacking the courage to admit that 99.99999% of the things happen around you without you knowing anything for certainty, that you only rely on some reports or news agency to relay you what they want to write?
They have an authenticator, then it must be free? Oh what logic? When you buy a house, the aircon must be free. Since the house comes with a garage, there must be a free oldsmobile inside? windows needs to provide free of charge whatever comes to your mind. Next time you run a business, I want everything from you, except your underwear. You must give it.
Security is both the user's and company's responsibility. It's even in the EULA, that blizzard will not give out personal information from your account...When someone can hack an account they can get your personal information...lawsuit anyone? I shouldn't have to pay extra in order for Blizzard to keep my information secure. That's like a bank charging you for security. If I don't own the computer/server that the information is stored on, then it's not my responsibility to protect it on that computer/server.
You are losing sense.
Security is both sides' business. You got any proof, not just your anger, solid proof, that blizz is neglecting its share of responsibility? Prove it. Angry words and humiliations at us, us who are neutral, does not make a case. I only say I do not know how the hacking occur. That is not acceptable a stand?
You should not have to pay extra ... . What rule is that? Who decides what you should pay? You? Kindergarten level business sense: if you need a reminder. The seller offers a service, with a pricing schedule, buy or move on. Oh I am now looking at the menu of a restaurant, since I ordered dinner, I should not have to pay for the wine. Is that your logic?
the proof is in programs like real id where they want to give your private information to other companies so they can capitalize off of that information. If that is not a securtiy risk in itself , i don't know what would be.
The problem is that the majority of people sticking up for blizzard here are children that do not value their private information as much as adults. The adults know that if blizzard fails to protect their identity that ould result in their entire lives being ruined by becoming the victim of Identity theft, many of us have experience with such a thing. Adults value their personal information more than children do, we have plenty at stake when it comes to our personal digits.
You know the reader's digest? You know what happen when you join the friendly club of the department store?
If you cherish your privacy, check before giving out your details. Is there an entry in the form saying that the information will not be shared with ...? Subjected to the limits of any laws on privacy, information you so eagerly give on the internet is freebie. IF you think blizz has broken the law, sue them, otherwise eat it.
I am possibly older than your father, so stop pretending that anyone not agreeing with you are children, or innocent. I have been working in business consultancy for 27 years and about to retire. I see no case in your argument just a lot of hot air, supplemented by attempts at insults ("children") when you failed to make a case.
Possibly older than my father? he is almost 60 years old. I am almost 30 years old. Are you that old and on the MMORPG forums sticking up for a company that is known to distribute your private information?
So, you gave it a whole day to be sorted, and now that you found out that it might take a few days you've given up? Seems reasonable.
when will the children of the world learn to stop allowing these companies to walk all over us and sell our information to the highest bidder?
I trust my private information to a company and for what? So they can sell it to other people and than i get harrassing phone calls and emails as a result of that companies actions. This kind of nonsense needs to stop, but with so many stupid or uneducated people on the internet and in the world today, they are paving the way for this sort of thing to continue to happen and for our lives to be further intruded upon.
Blizzard needs to be made an example of, for other companies in the future. You don't want to value my private information, well than I will not buy any more services from you. After all this is only a game. The children cannot live without their World of Warcraft so they just allow the big business to do as they please, which enables them and other companies to continue to do what they please with your private information.
It will only get worse people.
I still trust Blizzard to safeguard my private information. I've been playing since release. I've never been hacked, never gotten a single spam mail about it, and never gotten a phone call. To be politically correct about it, a lot of hacking incidents are a direct result of end user error. To be more blunt, when someone gets hacked, instead of asking themselves why that may have happened they jump straight to the conclusion that Blizzard allowed it to happen.
I don't feel "walked all over." I feel taken care of. Again, to be blunt about it, stop doing stupid things on the internet and you won't have anything to worry about.
I have not used my WOW account in over six months. I have not logged in, checked my status or anything in all this period. I have stopped paying a monthly fee and have moved on until Cataclysm comes. Yesterday, I get an email from Blizzard that a request was made for my password to be changed and then I get an email stating that there is suspicious activity with my account. My account is not active at all, so i don't even see how this is possible.
So I go to check my account and I can no longer log in due to someone setting a mobile authenticator to my account. So now I have to contact Account Support to try to figure out how to log in to my account, and waste all this time for an account I don't even use anymore.
There was no keylogging, virus, or any other attempt from my end as I am using a new computer and have not ever logged into my WOW account with my new laptop and I no longer use my old computer.
So to say that account hacked is soley the user's fault is ridiculous to me. The whole Real ID fiasco and BattleNet have made security a real issue with WOW. I play at least ten other games, plus manage my own web sites and no other account has been interrrupted or affect, plus I don't key into my accounts and instead use the Norton Cards for all my Internet use.
I don't believe I will be playing Cataclysm if this matter is not cleared up because that would mean having to but WOW and all the expansions again to create an account for a game I have moved on from.
For those who have not experienced this issue and want to just blame people for their stupidity is never a helpful way to understand a community that is suffering from its own stagnant growth and greed from the manufacturers.
If you want to know what will kill WOW, it will be the community and company and not the gameplay itself.
You guys are a funny bunch, you went home one day, the door perfectly locked but your TV set stolen. So you run to the sheriff throwing out crazy theory about demons rising from within the house and fly out of the chimney carrying it?
Come on, you do not know how the hacker get it. nor do we. Period. No one has to explain to you how you lost YOUR account. We don't know. We cannot come up with a reason, b/c we do not even know you. However, throwing a big conspiracy theory following your unfortunate unexplained event does not make it any more plausible,
You lost you account, checked, You do not know how it happened, checked. Blame no one, if you do not want to blame yourself. No one need to give you an answer, not even the police. No one owe you an explanation, no one can, unless they perform a thorough investigation, about your online bahaviour years ago while you play. Is there enough foundation for that investigation?
It's also a funny bunch of folks in here that have their heads shoved so far up blizzards butt that they think that it is not somehow their fault rather than the customers.
If they have an authenticator, it should be free to begin with, not some kind of extra security system that blizzard wants to capitalize on. It is just like windows with their security risks and viruses, they should have a free virus detector that comes with windows since this is clearly a windows problem. I know they have defender, and the firewall, but why is that not enough that most people have to go buy a seperate version just so they can use the overpriced windows OS to begin with? Windows needs to provide one free of charge for all of its customers.
It is also funny someone is narrow minded, so narrow minded. Something is black, must be black, if we cannot be sure it is white.
That we do not know how the hacking occur means we shove our what on what? You have issues or lacking the courage to admit that 99.99999% of the things happen around you without you knowing anything for certainty, that you only rely on some reports or news agency to relay you what they want to write?
They have an authenticator, then it must be free? Oh what logic? When you buy a house, the aircon must be free. Since the house comes with a garage, there must be a free oldsmobile inside? windows needs to provide free of charge whatever comes to your mind. Next time you run a business, I want everything from you, except your underwear. You must give it.
Since it is their problem and their auntheticator it should come with the game when you pay a subscription. When you pay for ATT DSL they give you AV for free.
Air conditioning is different, when you buy a house you don't buy it off the electric company. SO obviously you are gonna have to pay them for their services. When you buy a house it is yours, and whatever you need to do to secure that house is your responsibility once you have bought it.
You can think of it much like we are renting a game that we pay monthly to have a right to play, they should provide the security systems for it, since it is clearly a blizzard security problem. Instead they want to milk the customer for as much as possible.
You are losing common sense.
When is it a problem? You buy for the right to use an account, you lost the account. It is your problem. Not Blizz. Blizz is not responsible for your losing your own account. They are the only game provider on earth to spend their effort in providing an authenticator, and if you have any sense of business, they are losing money selling it.
You buy a car, someone stole it. So suddenly the theft prevention devices should be free? You go to a mall and someone picked your pocket, suddenly bodyguards and personal security officers should be provided free of charge.
When will you kind stop blaming others for your own issues.
He's likely a socialist. He wants none of his problems to be his. He wants no responsibility and wants everyone else to take care of him.
My account was stolen and I dealt with it. Do I think Blizzard could do more to stop it? Yes. Do I think that offering me an authenticator for free on my ipod is enough? Yes.
Blizzard is feeling Microsoft's pain of being the biggest dog in the respective yards. Because they are big they get the brunt of the focus and people will target them over smaller dogs.
Like a socialist? No the socialists are the ones that want to turn the country into china with systems like REAL ID. I am completely opposite, I value my personal information. Since blizzard does not, I have no sympatthy for a company like that.
I actually am a partial owner of an aircraft comany. Yea it is a small family business, but we provide security for our customers.
I have not used my WOW account in over six months. I have not logged in, checked my status or anything in all this period. I have stopped paying a monthly fee and have moved on until Cataclysm comes. Yesterday, I get an email from Blizzard that a request was made for my password to be changed and then I get an email stating that there is suspicious activity with my account. My account is not active at all, so i don't even see how this is possible.
So I go to check my account and I can no longer log in due to someone setting a mobile authenticator to my account. So now I have to contact Account Support to try to figure out how to log in to my account, and waste all this time for an account I don't even use anymore.
There was no keylogging, virus, or any other attempt from my end as I am using a new computer and have not ever logged into my WOW account with my new laptop and I no longer use my old computer.
So to say that account hacked is soley the user's fault is ridiculous to me. The whole Real ID fiasco and BattleNet have made security a real issue with WOW. I play at least ten other games, plus manage my own web sites and no other account has been interrrupted or affect, plus I don't key into my accounts and instead use the Norton Cards for all my Internet use.
I don't believe I will be playing Cataclysm if this matter is not cleared up because that would mean having to but WOW and all the expansions again to create an account for a game I have moved on from.
For those who have not experienced this issue and want to just blame people for their stupidity is never a helpful way to understand a community that is suffering from its own stagnant growth and greed from the manufacturers.
If you want to know what will kill WOW, it will be the community and company and not the gameplay itself.
You guys are a funny bunch, you went home one day, the door perfectly locked but your TV set stolen. So you run to the sheriff throwing out crazy theory about demons rising from within the house and fly out of the chimney carrying it?
Come on, you do not know how the hacker get it. nor do we. Period. No one has to explain to you how you lost YOUR account. We don't know. We cannot come up with a reason, b/c we do not even know you. However, throwing a big conspiracy theory following your unfortunate unexplained event does not make it any more plausible,
You lost you account, checked, You do not know how it happened, checked. Blame no one, if you do not want to blame yourself. No one need to give you an answer, not even the police. No one owe you an explanation, no one can, unless they perform a thorough investigation, about your online bahaviour years ago while you play. Is there enough foundation for that investigation?
It's also a funny bunch of folks in here that have their heads shoved so far up blizzards butt that they think that it is not somehow their fault rather than the customers.
If they have an authenticator, it should be free to begin with, not some kind of extra security system that blizzard wants to capitalize on. It is just like windows with their security risks and viruses, they should have a free virus detector that comes with windows since this is clearly a windows problem. I know they have defender, and the firewall, but why is that not enough that most people have to go buy a seperate version just so they can use the overpriced windows OS to begin with? Windows needs to provide one free of charge for all of its customers.
It is also funny someone is narrow minded, so narrow minded. Something is black, must be black, if we cannot be sure it is white.
That we do not know how the hacking occur means we shove our what on what? You have issues or lacking the courage to admit that 99.99999% of the things happen around you without you knowing anything for certainty, that you only rely on some reports or news agency to relay you what they want to write?
They have an authenticator, then it must be free? Oh what logic? When you buy a house, the aircon must be free. Since the house comes with a garage, there must be a free oldsmobile inside? windows needs to provide free of charge whatever comes to your mind. Next time you run a business, I want everything from you, except your underwear. You must give it.
Since it is their problem and their auntheticator it should come with the game when you pay a subscription. When you pay for ATT DSL they give you AV for free.
Air conditioning is different, when you buy a house you don't buy it off the electric company. SO obviously you are gonna have to pay them for their services. When you buy a house it is yours, and whatever you need to do to secure that house is your responsibility once you have bought it.
You can think of it much like we are renting a game that we pay monthly to have a right to play, they should provide the security systems for it, since it is clearly a blizzard security problem. Instead they want to milk the customer for as much as possible.
You are losing common sense.
When is it a problem? You buy for the right to use an account, you lost the account. It is your problem. Not Blizz. Blizz is not responsible for your losing your own account. They are the only game provider on earth to spend their effort in providing an authenticator, and if you have any sense of business, they are losing money selling it.
You buy a car, someone stole it. So suddenly the theft prevention devices should be free? You go to a mall and someone picked your pocket, suddenly bodyguards and personal security officers should be provided free of charge.
When will you kind stop blaming others for your own issues.
when will the children of the world learn to stop allowing these companies to walk all over us and sell our information to the highest bidder?
I trust my private information to a company and for what? So they can sell it to other people and than i get harrassing phone calls and emails as a result of that companies actions. This kind of nonsense needs to stop, but with so many stupid or uneducated people on the internet and in the world today, they are paving the way for this sort of thing to continue to happen and for our lives to be further intruded upon.
Blizzard needs to be made an example of, for other companies in the future. You don't want to value my private information, well than I will not buy any more services from you. After all this is only a game. The children cannot live without their World of Warcraft so they just allow the big business to do as they please, which enables them and other companies to continue to do what they please with your private information.
It will only get worse people.
Stop pretending you are "older" and we are children, whatever your age vs ours I see a lacking of maturity on your part. Talk like a man, don't hideously bring in the insults.
IF you want to drop a game, do it, no one cares. Crying here to seek attention?
we are talking about blizz, and game security, we are not here to applaud blizz, tho i admit I am impressed by blizz effort to provide a cheap authenticator and a free software version. we are not here to discuss morals or who owe what, or how good the game is.
If you absolutely must bring in your uncontrolled emotions, oh well, you are free to, good day.
So, you gave it a whole day to be sorted, and now that you found out that it might take a few days you've given up? Seems reasonable.
when will the children of the world learn to stop allowing these companies to walk all over us and sell our information to the highest bidder?
I trust my private information to a company and for what? So they can sell it to other people and than i get harrassing phone calls and emails as a result of that companies actions. This kind of nonsense needs to stop, but with so many stupid or uneducated people on the internet and in the world today, they are paving the way for this sort of thing to continue to happen and for our lives to be further intruded upon.
Blizzard needs to be made an example of, for other companies in the future. You don't want to value my private information, well than I will not buy any more services from you. After all this is only a game. The children cannot live without their World of Warcraft so they just allow the big business to do as they please, which enables them and other companies to continue to do what they please with your private information.
It will only get worse people.
I still trust Blizzard to safeguard my private information. I've been playing since release. I've never been hacked, never gotten a single spam mail about it, and never gotten a phone call. To be politically correct about it, a lot of hacking incidents are a direct result of end user error. To be more blunt, when someone gets hacked, instead of asking themselves why that may have happened they jump straight to the conclusion that Blizzard allowed it to happen.
I don't feel "walked all over." I feel taken care of. Again, to be blunt about it, stop doing stupid things on the internet and you won't have anything to worry about.
You are right, most of the time it is something that the customer did to cause the hacking themselves. My issue with blizzard is the fact that they are a company, that is pretty much a communist tool that wants to turn our country into something like china system along with face book. I don't want my personal name on the forums, and I damn sure don't want them selling my personal digits to the highest bidder.
Like I said before , I am the part owner of a family business, dealing with aircraft. We don't sell our customers personal information.
I have not used my WOW account in over six months. I have not logged in, checked my status or anything in all this period. I have stopped paying a monthly fee and have moved on until Cataclysm comes. Yesterday, I get an email from Blizzard that a request was made for my password to be changed and then I get an email stating that there is suspicious activity with my account. My account is not active at all, so i don't even see how this is possible.
So I go to check my account and I can no longer log in due to someone setting a mobile authenticator to my account. So now I have to contact Account Support to try to figure out how to log in to my account, and waste all this time for an account I don't even use anymore.
There was no keylogging, virus, or any other attempt from my end as I am using a new computer and have not ever logged into my WOW account with my new laptop and I no longer use my old computer.
So to say that account hacked is soley the user's fault is ridiculous to me. The whole Real ID fiasco and BattleNet have made security a real issue with WOW. I play at least ten other games, plus manage my own web sites and no other account has been interrrupted or affect, plus I don't key into my accounts and instead use the Norton Cards for all my Internet use.
I don't believe I will be playing Cataclysm if this matter is not cleared up because that would mean having to but WOW and all the expansions again to create an account for a game I have moved on from.
For those who have not experienced this issue and want to just blame people for their stupidity is never a helpful way to understand a community that is suffering from its own stagnant growth and greed from the manufacturers.
If you want to know what will kill WOW, it will be the community and company and not the gameplay itself.
You guys are a funny bunch, you went home one day, the door perfectly locked but your TV set stolen. So you run to the sheriff throwing out crazy theory about demons rising from within the house and fly out of the chimney carrying it?
Come on, you do not know how the hacker get it. nor do we. Period. No one has to explain to you how you lost YOUR account. We don't know. We cannot come up with a reason, b/c we do not even know you. However, throwing a big conspiracy theory following your unfortunate unexplained event does not make it any more plausible,
You lost you account, checked, You do not know how it happened, checked. Blame no one, if you do not want to blame yourself. No one need to give you an answer, not even the police. No one owe you an explanation, no one can, unless they perform a thorough investigation, about your online bahaviour years ago while you play. Is there enough foundation for that investigation?
It's also a funny bunch of folks in here that have their heads shoved so far up blizzards butt that they think that it is not somehow their fault rather than the customers.
If they have an authenticator, it should be free to begin with, not some kind of extra security system that blizzard wants to capitalize on. It is just like windows with their security risks and viruses, they should have a free virus detector that comes with windows since this is clearly a windows problem. I know they have defender, and the firewall, but why is that not enough that most people have to go buy a seperate version just so they can use the overpriced windows OS to begin with? Windows needs to provide one free of charge for all of its customers.
It is also funny someone is narrow minded, so narrow minded. Something is black, must be black, if we cannot be sure it is white.
That we do not know how the hacking occur means we shove our what on what? You have issues or lacking the courage to admit that 99.99999% of the things happen around you without you knowing anything for certainty, that you only rely on some reports or news agency to relay you what they want to write?
They have an authenticator, then it must be free? Oh what logic? When you buy a house, the aircon must be free. Since the house comes with a garage, there must be a free oldsmobile inside? windows needs to provide free of charge whatever comes to your mind. Next time you run a business, I want everything from you, except your underwear. You must give it.
Since it is their problem and their auntheticator it should come with the game when you pay a subscription. When you pay for ATT DSL they give you AV for free.
Air conditioning is different, when you buy a house you don't buy it off the electric company. SO obviously you are gonna have to pay them for their services. When you buy a house it is yours, and whatever you need to do to secure that house is your responsibility once you have bought it.
You can think of it much like we are renting a game that we pay monthly to have a right to play, they should provide the security systems for it, since it is clearly a blizzard security problem. Instead they want to milk the customer for as much as possible.
You are losing common sense.
When is it a problem? You buy for the right to use an account, you lost the account. It is your problem. Not Blizz. Blizz is not responsible for your losing your own account. They are the only game provider on earth to spend their effort in providing an authenticator, and if you have any sense of business, they are losing money selling it.
You buy a car, someone stole it. So suddenly the theft prevention devices should be free? You go to a mall and someone picked your pocket, suddenly bodyguards and personal security officers should be provided free of charge.
When will you kind stop blaming others for your own issues.
He's likely a socialist. He wants none of his problems to be his. He wants no responsibility and wants everyone else to take care of him.
My account was stolen and I dealt with it. Do I think Blizzard could do more to stop it? Yes. Do I think that offering me an authenticator for free on my ipod is enough? Yes.
Blizzard is feeling Microsoft's pain of being the biggest dog in the respective yards. Because they are big they get the brunt of the focus and people will target them over smaller dogs.
Like a socialist? No the socialists are the ones that want to turn the country into china with systems like REAL ID. I am completely opposite, I value my personal information. Since blizzard does not, I have no sympatthy for a company like that.
I actually am a partial owner of an aircraft comany. Yea it is a small family business, but we provide security for our customers.
Like a socialist? No the socialists are the ones that want to turn the country into china with systems like REAL ID. I am completely opposite, I value my personal information. Since blizzard does not, I have no sympatthy for a company like that.
I actually am a partial owner of an aircraft comany. Yea it is a small family business, but we provide security for our customers.
China is socialist? You have any idea how free the market economy is in China? Your remarks alone shows a typical ignorant anti-this and that old man. If china is socialist, france is total communism? China is communist 30 years ago, that is about the limit of your knowledge.
Ah nice for you to provide security for your customers. Since it is a small business, there is lesser risk of malicious visitors. Look at nightcloak's remarks. Blizz is singled out for discussion b/c it is big. Hacking occurs in every game, on any online business, including credit card business and online banking. In a comparison scale, blizz is doing reasonable job with damage control. 11+ million users and relatively fewer hacking.
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Security is both the user's and company's responsibility. It's even in the EULA, that blizzard will not give out personal information from your account...When someone can hack an account they can get your personal information...lawsuit anyone?
I shouldn't have to pay extra in order for Blizzard to keep my information secure. That's like a bank charging you for security. If I don't own the computer/server that the information is stored on, then it's not my responsibility to protect it on that computer/server.
FYI... The hackers that hack into secure databases and commit cyber crimes against soverign governments are by no means the same people that steal WoW accounts.
The people that actually HACK have likely never thought about stealing WoW accounts unless hired by a company that deals in illicit gaming activities. And those hired hackers most likely just create tools to steal mass numbers of accounts and dont really hack any individual.
For the most part, nobodys account is hacked. They are all stolen. Stolen in the same way your car would be if you left your keys in a place a thief can easily grab them.
I had my WoW account stolen and banned. I contacted Blizzard via email and it was resolved without issue in 3 days. I have no idea how it happened to be compromised but, I'm not suprised. I dont know what I did but know its ultimately something I did that caused the compromise.
Do I think Blizzard could have a security breach internally? Yes. No company trusts its employees 100% and for good reason. But I dont think its Blizzard itself.
Windows is an OS with open architecture design. Meaning others can add functionality to windows on their own initiative. That means other parties can add functionalities, including functionalities with malicious intenT.
There are other closed architecture designs, in which hacking from outside is well nigh impossible. Dumb terminals are an extreme example.
If you want open market solutions, including billions of freeware, springing up every second, you have to accept the risk of some innocently looking malicious-ware.
USE AT YOUR OWN RISK.
Since it is their problem and their auntheticator it should come with the game when you pay a subscription. When you pay for ATT DSL they give you AV for free.
Air conditioning is different, when you buy a house you don't buy it off the electric company. SO obviously you are gonna have to pay them for their services. When you buy a house it is yours, and whatever you need to do to secure that house is your responsibility once you have bought it.
You can think of it much like we are renting a game that we pay monthly to have a right to play, they should provide the security systems for it, since it is clearly a blizzard security problem. Instead they want to milk the customer for as much as possible.
Easy? You know how it is done?
Who is blaming the victim? No one is trying to blame anyone, except you.
Are you serious? They are obviously internet nerds that want to steal your ID and use it to make money. How do you know some of the same people do not play wow?
Anyhow, most of these hackings occur from over seas, so perhaps not, but what is the difference, I was stating how easy it is to hack into a database for any company.
yes, i have a general idea of how it is done, and it is relatively easy to do so. Especially with how all these companies now want to share their databases amongst each other now a days. It just takes one bad person to exploit the situation for personal gains. With all those people viewing your information all day, how do we not know some of them may have malicous intent?
You are losing sense.
Security is both sides' business. You got any proof, not just your anger, solid proof, that blizz is neglecting its share of responsibility? Prove it. Angry words and humiliations at us, us who are neutral, does not make a case. I only say I do not know how the hacking occur. That is not acceptable a stand?
You should not have to pay extra ... . What rule is that? Who decides what you should pay? You? Kindergarten level business sense: if you need a reminder. The seller offers a service, with a pricing schedule, buy or move on. Oh I am now looking at the menu of a restaurant, since I ordered dinner, I should not have to pay for the wine. Is that your logic?
damn this crappy forum , sorry for the double.
yes, i have a general idea of how it is done, and it is relatively easy to do so. Especially with how all these companies now want to share their databases amongst each other now a days. It just takes one bad person to exploit the situation for personal gains. With all those people viewing your information all day, how do we not know some of them may have malicous intent?
the proof is in programs like real id where they want to give your private information to other companies so they can capitalize off of that information. If that is not a securtiy risk in itself , i don't know what would be.
The problem is that the majority of people sticking up for blizzard here are children that do not value their private information as much as adults. The adults know that if blizzard fails to protect their identity that ould result in their entire lives being ruined by becoming the victim of Identity theft, many of us have experience with such a thing. Adults value their personal information more than children do, we have plenty at stake when it comes to our personal digits.
So, you gave it a whole day to be sorted, and now that you found out that it might take a few days you've given up? Seems reasonable.
You are losing common sense.
When is it a problem? You buy for the right to use an account, you lost the account. It is your problem. Not Blizz. Blizz is not responsible for your losing your own account. They are the only game provider on earth to spend their effort in providing an authenticator, and if you have any sense of business, they are losing money selling it.
You buy a car, someone stole it. So suddenly the theft prevention devices should be free? You go to a mall and someone picked your pocket, suddenly bodyguards and personal security officers should be provided free of charge.
When will you kind stop blaming others for your own issues.
You have a general idea, and that is all your evidence, your proof. I also have a general idea about some bored old man sitting in front of tjhe company throwing out conspiracy theories, trying to attract attention and pretend to be very wise. After all, you need not be responsible for all your accusations.
Prove your case, not use a general idea, follow by some vague words. Who did it and how? Evidence?
Okay I feel the need to correct an obvious misconception here...
As with most MMOs, Blizzard's account information is encrypted on their servers. This means that even if someone were to somehow steal that information from them, it would be extremely difficult to decrypt and read. Even Blizzard employees themselves cannot see what your password is. That is why the password has to be reset automatically through their system when someone forgets a password. They cannot provide it to you...
While it is possible that someone MIGHT be able to penetrate their database to retrieve stored user account information, it is EXTREMELY unlikely and would likely be the topic of widespread news reports if it actually happened. It is FAR more likely that usernames/passwords are stolen through phishing scams and/or keyloggers that the players are responsible for allowing. Blizzard has said many times that players should be wary about what they install on their machines and also that they would NEVER ask for account information... yet people continually fall for these scams each and every day.
As others have said, you can't cure stupidity. But Blizzard has tried to do so anyway with their authenticators.
sorry wrong quote
You know the reader's digest? You know what happen when you join the friendly club of the department store?
If you cherish your privacy, check before giving out your details. Is there an entry in the form saying that the information will not be shared with ...? Subjected to the limits of any laws on privacy, information you so eagerly give on the internet is freebie. IF you think blizz has broken the law, sue them, otherwise eat it.
I am possibly older than your father, so stop pretending that anyone not agreeing with you are children, or innocent. I have been working in business consultancy for 27 years and about to retire. I see no case in your argument just a lot of hot air, supplemented by attempts at insults ("children") when you failed to make a case.
when will the children of the world learn to stop allowing these companies to walk all over us and sell our information to the highest bidder?
I trust my private information to a company and for what? So they can sell it to other people and than i get harrassing phone calls and emails as a result of that companies actions. This kind of nonsense needs to stop, but with so many stupid or uneducated people on the internet and in the world today, they are paving the way for this sort of thing to continue to happen and for our lives to be further intruded upon.
Blizzard needs to be made an example of, for other companies in the future. You don't want to value my private information, well than I will not buy any more services from you. After all this is only a game. The children cannot live without their World of Warcraft so they just allow the big business to do as they please, which enables them and other companies to continue to do what they please with your private information.
It will only get worse people.
He's likely a socialist. He wants none of his problems to be his. He wants no responsibility and wants everyone else to take care of him.
My account was stolen and I dealt with it. Do I think Blizzard could do more to stop it? Yes. Do I think that offering me an authenticator for free on my ipod is enough? Yes.
Blizzard is feeling Microsoft's pain of being the biggest dog in the respective yards. Because they are big they get the brunt of the focus and people will target them over smaller dogs.
Possibly older than my father? he is almost 60 years old. I am almost 30 years old. Are you that old and on the MMORPG forums sticking up for a company that is known to distribute your private information?
I still trust Blizzard to safeguard my private information. I've been playing since release. I've never been hacked, never gotten a single spam mail about it, and never gotten a phone call. To be politically correct about it, a lot of hacking incidents are a direct result of end user error. To be more blunt, when someone gets hacked, instead of asking themselves why that may have happened they jump straight to the conclusion that Blizzard allowed it to happen.
I don't feel "walked all over." I feel taken care of. Again, to be blunt about it, stop doing stupid things on the internet and you won't have anything to worry about.
Like a socialist? No the socialists are the ones that want to turn the country into china with systems like REAL ID. I am completely opposite, I value my personal information. Since blizzard does not, I have no sympatthy for a company like that.
I actually am a partial owner of an aircraft comany. Yea it is a small family business, but we provide security for our customers.
Stop pretending you are "older" and we are children, whatever your age vs ours I see a lacking of maturity on your part. Talk like a man, don't hideously bring in the insults.
IF you want to drop a game, do it, no one cares. Crying here to seek attention?
we are talking about blizz, and game security, we are not here to applaud blizz, tho i admit I am impressed by blizz effort to provide a cheap authenticator and a free software version. we are not here to discuss morals or who owe what, or how good the game is.
If you absolutely must bring in your uncontrolled emotions, oh well, you are free to, good day.
You are right, most of the time it is something that the customer did to cause the hacking themselves. My issue with blizzard is the fact that they are a company, that is pretty much a communist tool that wants to turn our country into something like china system along with face book. I don't want my personal name on the forums, and I damn sure don't want them selling my personal digits to the highest bidder.
Like I said before , I am the part owner of a family business, dealing with aircraft. We don't sell our customers personal information.
sorry double
China is socialist? You have any idea how free the market economy is in China? Your remarks alone shows a typical ignorant anti-this and that old man. If china is socialist, france is total communism? China is communist 30 years ago, that is about the limit of your knowledge.
Ah nice for you to provide security for your customers. Since it is a small business, there is lesser risk of malicious visitors. Look at nightcloak's remarks. Blizz is singled out for discussion b/c it is big. Hacking occurs in every game, on any online business, including credit card business and online banking. In a comparison scale, blizz is doing reasonable job with damage control. 11+ million users and relatively fewer hacking.