They fell in love with their first MMO, whether it was UO, EQ1, AC, SWG whatever.
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They are trying to recapture that first blush experience. This is impossible because they are suffering from nostalgia and no game can live up to a perfect mental image.
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So they sit in the forum and gripe.
This is exactly it. Nostalgia for whatever someone considered a perfect gaming experience drives most of the griping now. If only the developers hadn't done X, Y or Z, they'd still be playing that game, but since the devs are assholes for (insert reasons here), they left that game and have been pining for their rose-colored memories ever since.
That and MMO people come in here and try to pull some kind of MMO rank. "Oh , I been playing MMO's ever since UO and EQ first came out.... games were so much better back than, you new MMO people take everything for granted"
Honestly I been playing MMO's since Nexus TK came out in 95-97 First Graphical MMORPG(started in 97) I don't want games to take a step backward and be like that game. It is old and outdated.
The games were NOT so much better , it is just all your friends and nostalgia of playing, you are now burned out with MMO's other wise you would still be playing the ones you love so much, or the new ones that are out.
It's like when I played Zelda Online (Graal Online) back in 97.. ,then in 98-99 Everyone was always talking about oh it was better back during beta ?.?.? (so long ago I forget the numbers) but anyhow, it wasn't better it was garbage back than and there were exploiters everywhere and the game was glitchy. The only thing better about it was the friends that played back then.
People let Nostalgia blind them to reality. Don't believe half the crap you hear about how these games were better it is just not true. They were the only option available at the time.
They fell in love with their first MMO, whether it was UO, EQ1, AC, SWG whatever.
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They are trying to recapture that first blush experience. This is impossible because they are suffering from nostalgia and no game can live up to a perfect mental image.
.
So they sit in the forum and gripe.
This is exactly it. Nostalgia for whatever someone considered a perfect gaming experience drives most of the griping now. If only the developers hadn't done X, Y or Z, they'd still be playing that game, but since the devs are assholes for (insert reasons here), they left that game and have been pining for their rose-colored memories ever since.
People let Nostalgia blind them to reality. Don't believe half the crap you hear about how these games were better it is just not true. They were the only option available at the time.
I left out the rest of this post because it was just a wall of ignorance and assumption.
People like different things, that's all it boils down to. The people that liked the MMOs that came out 10 years ago now have no option because games aren't being made that way anymore. It's got nothing to do with 'nostalgia' or whatever other cliches that forum simpletons want to throw around. Some people just flatly enjoyed that style of game more, and they're (understandably) upset that no one is making updated versions with pretty 3d graphics.
I think it has a lot to do with the types of MMORPG games getting published these days. Most are half-baked money grabbers and nothing more. You can recapture that feeling of your first MMORPG. I have done it. And I truly believe it will happen to me again in my liftetime.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
People let Nostalgia blind them to reality. Don't believe half the crap you hear about how these games were better it is just not true. They were the only option available at the time.
Relative to the times, those old games were better sometimes. Compared 1 on 1 they are worse.
But people are used to very polished games now, there are standards in terms of polish that Blizzard and other companies have set and every game will be compared to them. Many games don't live up to those standards.
I left all my MMO because they didn't live up to basic programming / hacking prevention / customer service, not because of nostalgia.
The same reason why regular gamers hate so many non-mmo games, why so many movie watchers hate so many movies, why so many tv viewers hate so many tv shows, etc etc etc.
People are very opinionated and they all have different tastes, it is no different then any other form of entertainment. Go check out movie forums and see how many people say movie x or y sucks.
They fell in love with their first MMO, whether it was UO, EQ1, AC, SWG whatever.
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They are trying to recapture that first blush experience. This is impossible because they are suffering from nostalgia and no game can live up to a perfect mental image.
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So they sit in the forum and gripe.
This is exactly it. Nostalgia for whatever someone considered a perfect gaming experience drives most of the griping now. If only the developers hadn't done X, Y or Z, they'd still be playing that game, but since the devs are assholes for (insert reasons here), they left that game and have been pining for their rose-colored memories ever since.
That's a total cop-out in my opinion. I think those players probably really would still be playing those games if the developers hadn't changed the game so much over time. And the communities have changed too. WoW has had like 3 or 4 different developer teams with different visions for the game. Just because you don't agree with one team's vision doesn't mean you are wearing rose-colored glasses, in my opinion.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
The same reason why regular gamers hate so many non-mmo games, why so many movie watchers hate so many movies, why so many tv viewers hate so many tv shows, etc etc etc.
People are very opinionated and they all have different tastes, it is no different then any other form of entertainment. Go check out movie forums and see how many people say movie x or y sucks.
That's hard to disagree with.
But I'd add that with MMO's the WAIT between one really good one and the next can seem like forever, as can the development time. When is that next great MMO going to come along, for me?
At least with movies, music, tv imo there's always a few good ones out each year?
They fell in love with their first MMO, whether it was UO, EQ1, AC, SWG whatever.
.
They are trying to recapture that first blush experience. This is impossible because they are suffering from nostalgia and no game can live up to a perfect mental image.
.
So they sit in the forum and gripe.
This is exactly it. Nostalgia for whatever someone considered a perfect gaming experience drives most of the griping now. If only the developers hadn't done X, Y or Z, they'd still be playing that game, but since the devs are assholes for (insert reasons here), they left that game and have been pining for their rose-colored memories ever since.
That's a total cop-out in my opinion. I think those players probably really would still be playing those games if the developers hadn't changed the game so much over time. And the communities have changed too. WoW has had like 3 or 4 different developer teams with different visions for the game. Just because you don't agree with one team's vision doesn't mean you are wearing rose-colored glasses, in my opinion.
Actually they would be bored of that game by now and they would still be here bitching on the forums. No cop out.
They fell in love with their first MMO, whether it was UO, EQ1, AC, SWG whatever.
.
They are trying to recapture that first blush experience. This is impossible because they are suffering from nostalgia and no game can live up to a perfect mental image.
.
So they sit in the forum and gripe.
This is exactly it. Nostalgia for whatever someone considered a perfect gaming experience drives most of the griping now. If only the developers hadn't done X, Y or Z, they'd still be playing that game, but since the devs are assholes for (insert reasons here), they left that game and have been pining for their rose-colored memories ever since.
That's a total cop-out in my opinion. I think those players probably really would still be playing those games if the developers hadn't changed the game so much over time. And the communities have changed too. WoW has had like 3 or 4 different developer teams with different visions for the game. Just because you don't agree with one team's vision doesn't mean you are wearing rose-colored glasses, in my opinion.
Actually they would be bored of that game by now and they would still be here bitching on the forums. No cop out.
Because no players have ever played the same multiplayer game for more than a year or so, right?
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
And not to forget Mr Casual , who likes sticking his finger in lots of different Pies, which of course Mr Hardcore does'nt like because he thinks Mr Casual should only be eating one type of Pie ( namely his Pie). And in turn Mr Casual hates Mr Hardcore because he thinks he should stick his finger in more pies like he does ! lol
I think it has a lot to do with the types of MMORPG games getting published these days. Most are half-baked money grabbers and nothing more. You can recapture that feeling of your first MMORPG. I have done it. And I truly believe it will happen to me again in my liftetime.
Actually that's kind of what I thought about the older ones. Half assed garbage just thrown together in order to rake in a some money.
Some of these games are still out there and still charging people to play them. It's just an insult. You think your company's game is worth what the games of today are?
A fuckin 2d game (nexus the kingdom of winds)
(Graal Online) a rip off of Zelda Link to the past or w/e 2d game charging a sub fee? GTFO
EQ ???? At least these games are 3d now and have some kind of quality customer support. But glitchy and filled with bugs and no dev teams that give a rats ass.
WoW, they have update after update expansions, customer service, they have alot to offer people.
AoC excellent graphics, and so does AION. Maybe these games did not do as good as WoW, but that's because nobody wants to give games a chance anymore. They bitch and complain and if they aren't what they thought they would be, they play it for like 5 hours and then never log in again.
I know how people are when they try out these games. They don't even get past the starter area before they QQ that it's too hard.
Stop crying and get together and make an MMO with a company if you want. We got enough of these cry babies out here that somebody must be in a position to do this sort of thing. I honestly would like to see a real Zelda MMO, instead of that cheesy rip off from germany. Make one, make it with the good graphics, and make it the way you want it and If it is good , I am sure people will play it, and probably me aswell.
They fell in love with their first MMO, whether it was UO, EQ1, AC, SWG whatever.
.
They are trying to recapture that first blush experience. This is impossible because they are suffering from nostalgia and no game can live up to a perfect mental image.
.
So they sit in the forum and gripe.
This is exactly it. Nostalgia for whatever someone considered a perfect gaming experience drives most of the griping now. If only the developers hadn't done X, Y or Z, they'd still be playing that game, but since the devs are assholes for (insert reasons here), they left that game and have been pining for their rose-colored memories ever since.
That's a total cop-out in my opinion. I think those players probably really would still be playing those games if the developers hadn't changed the game so much over time. And the communities have changed too. WoW has had like 3 or 4 different developer teams with different visions for the game. Just because you don't agree with one team's vision doesn't mean you are wearing rose-colored glasses, in my opinion.
Actually they would be bored of that game by now and they would still be here bitching on the forums. No cop out.
Because no players have ever played the same multiplayer game for more than a year or so, right?
I Guess so man, usually people get bored and play a certain game on and off, because they are good at it. Have alot of stuff on that character and time invested into it. Nothing is stoping people from playing the game if they want, unless of course it is closed down.,
AoC excellent graphics, and so does AION. Maybe these games did not do as good as WoW, but that's because nobody wants to give games a chance anymore. They bitch and complain and if they aren't what they thought they would be, they play it for like 5 hours and then never log in again.
I tried Aion and I couldn't even talk to other people because the Gold spam was almost crashing my chat box. That has nothing to do with QQ but everything with a bad game / company. Then came the hours waiting before you could even log in a server.
That's all NCsoft's fault, not mine and people have a right to QQ about all of that.
And luckily people do QQ, or no one would know these issues until they wasted their money.
The same reason why regular gamers hate so many non-mmo games, why so many movie watchers hate so many movies, why so many tv viewers hate so many tv shows, etc etc etc.
People are very opinionated and they all have different tastes, it is no different then any other form of entertainment. Go check out movie forums and see how many people say movie x or y sucks.
That's hard to disagree with.
But I'd add that with MMO's the WAIT between one really good one and the next can seem like forever, as can the development time. When is that next great MMO going to come along, for me?
At least with movies, music, tv imo there's always a few good ones out each year?
That is true, and I'm sure it helps make the situation worse. If you don't like an FPS that comes out, wait a month and try the next one. I also think MMO players have a heightened level of entitlement over other entertainment users. They constantly feel they are OWED a game in the style they want to play. But overall I think most of it comes just from plain human nature, and this being MMORPG we naturally see all the hate to MMORPG forgetting that every product has the same hate.
They fell in love with their first MMO, whether it was UO, EQ1, AC, SWG whatever.
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They are trying to recapture that first blush experience. This is impossible because they are suffering from nostalgia and no game can live up to a perfect mental image.
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So they sit in the forum and gripe.
This is often correct.
But to the op isn't it rather easy to say that they are not currently playing mmos and then classify "haters" as not currently playing. Can you really claim this or at draw that limage to be infered.
"Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one ..." - Thomas Paine
AoC excellent graphics, and so does AION. Maybe these games did not do as good as WoW, but that's because nobody wants to give games a chance anymore. They bitch and complain and if they aren't what they thought they would be, they play it for like 5 hours and then never log in again.
I tried Aion and I couldn't even talk to other people because the Gold spam was almost crashing my chat box. That has nothing to do with QQ but everything with a bad game / company. Then came the hours waiting before you could even log in a server.
That's all NCsoft's fault, not mine and people have a right to QQ about all of that.
And luckily people do QQ, or no one would know these issues until they wasted their money.
And you thought that a game that had that many people excited about it was not gonna be filled with problems at launch? Be prepared because this is gonna happen with every game that comes out from this point on that has any sort of following.
You should just wait a bit before you decide, first impressions are everything, but don't let launch day fool you. It is always like this when these big games are released. Of course you would have gold spammers. But now adays you don't have any of those problems in Aion.
I've seen many posts by people who say they aren't playing any MMORPG's right now because "there aren't any good games". Should people who hate on MMO's all day, but can't even say they are even playing one, just admit they don't like MMO's?
Here is an interview from the HappyVille Pie Competition to illustrate my thoughts.
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Mayor Morpg: "Welcome to the HappyVille Pie Competition. Mr. Fussy McCritik will be judging today. Well Fussy...talk to me about your thoughts on the competition?"
Fussy McCritik: "All of the pies suck. They make me want to puke. They're all made so people will buy them. I can't stand any pie that is made today."
Mayor Morpg: "Well, to me it sounds like you don't like pie...do you think you really should be judging a pie contest?"
Fussy McCritik: "STFU, I know all about pies. I'm just waiting for somebody to make a good one."
Mayor Morpg: "Fussy, if there isn't a single pie that you like, then you just don't like pies. Just admit it."
Fussy McCritik: "You don't get it do you? Go back to your World of Walnut pie. I'm done with this interview."
Ppl generally dont bother with coming to MMORPG.com to tell everyone how much fun they have in their current MMO. Of course there are ppl who do this, but they are the exception.
I've seen many posts by people who say they aren't playing any MMORPG's right now because "there aren't any good games". Should people who hate on MMO's all day, but can't even say they are even playing one, just admit they don't like MMO's?
Here is an interview from the HappyVille Pie Competition to illustrate my thoughts.
___________
Mayor Morpg: "Welcome to the HappyVille Pie Competition. Mr. Fussy McCritik will be judging today. Well Fussy...talk to me about your thoughts on the competition?"
Fussy McCritik: "All of the pies suck. They make me want to puke. They're all made so people will buy them. I can't stand any pie that is made today."
Mayor Morpg: "Well, to me it sounds like you don't like pie...do you think you really should be judging a pie contest?"
Fussy McCritik: "STFU, I know all about pies. I'm just waiting for somebody to make a good one."
Mayor Morpg: "Fussy, if there isn't a single pie that you like, then you just don't like pies. Just admit it."
Fussy McCritik: "You don't get it do you? Go back to your World of Walnut pie. I'm done with this interview."
Ppl generally dont bother with coming to MMORPG.com to tell everyone how much fun they have in their current MMO. Of course there are ppl who do this, but they are the exception.
Exactly , people come here because they are bored and need something to bitch and complain about, or they are waiting on a game to come out. I'm waiting on FF14, for a temporary fix until GW2 and SWTOR come out and ill try those ones.
And you thought that a game that had that many people excited about it was not gonna be filled with problems at launch?
I expect more nowadays. Even WoW that was launched years ago did better. We're past the era of gold spamming and crashing servers, there are filters and servers are much more stable and cheaper, I expect more for subscription fees.
Many MMO are just living on the $ bubble and are churning out run-of-the-mill WoW dilution every month. Sorry if I'm not interested in throwing my money at everything. It's time the MMO bubble crashes.
I've seen many posts by people who say they aren't playing any MMORPG's right now because "there aren't any good games". Should people who hate on MMO's all day, but can't even say they are even playing one, just admit they don't like MMO's?
Here is an interview from the HappyVille Pie Competition to illustrate my thoughts.
___________
Mayor Morpg: "Welcome to the HappyVille Pie Competition. Mr. Fussy McCritik will be judging today. Well Fussy...talk to me about your thoughts on the competition?"
Fussy McCritik: "All of the pies suck. They make me want to puke. They're all made so people will buy them. I can't stand any pie that is made today."
Mayor Morpg: "Well, to me it sounds like you don't like pie...do you think you really should be judging a pie contest?"
Fussy McCritik: "STFU, I know all about pies. I'm just waiting for somebody to make a good one."
Mayor Morpg: "Fussy, if there isn't a single pie that you like, then you just don't like pies. Just admit it."
Fussy McCritik: "You don't get it do you? Go back to your World of Walnut pie. I'm done with this interview."
I would take the time to discuss this topic with you if your rant post masquerading as intelligent discussion didn't make me feel like you are just as much of a close minded idiot as the people you are criticising.
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Well some people do hate to hate, or hate out of nostalgia. However, like others have said, the genre has changed so much that some of the griping is valid.
The most recent foray of problems with many mmorpgs, at least the 2008-2009 releases, that many of them were overhyped and turned out to not nearly as complete or bug free as we were lead to believe. The mentality of these dev teams were pretty old school, just wanting to get the product out and fix it as they go. The problem is that those games are in direct competition with games like WoW, LotRO, EQ2 and EVE. Any new game is going to be scrutinized to the point where even if the game did have potential, not many will ever see it realized, because the new games are being compared to games that have had many years to fix and polish.
SWTOR is being produced at an estimated cost of $150 million. That's comparable to blockbuster movies, but you're not paying for the latest big name actors to show their faces for two hours (unless they got them to voice act). Spending that kind of cash on the development is a huge risk in the mmorpg world, so much so that you can almost guarantee that the game is going to have many similarities to other games out right now. Investors want a return on their investment, they don't pay to take a risk and reinvent, they want guaranteed return (which doesn't really exist).
With all of this in mind, you can see how long time mmorpg fans could be upset. Yes, the games of old weren't perfect, but there was a certain feel to them. I know Asheron's Call felt like a living and breathing world in many regards. WoW had an organic feeling when it first came out, but as the devs learned how to streamline the leveling process, it has lost that organic feeling.
As much as I love Bioware as a gaming company, there is a part of me that really wants SWTOR to fall flat, and send ripples throughout the gaming world. Perhaps then we'll see some drastic changes.
I've seen many posts by people who say they aren't playing any MMORPG's right now because "there aren't any good games". Should people who hate on MMO's all day, but can't even say they are even playing one, just admit they don't like MMO's?
Here is an interview from the HappyVille Pie Competition to illustrate my thoughts.
___________
Mayor Morpg: "Welcome to the HappyVille Pie Competition. Mr. Fussy McCritik will be judging today. Well Fussy...talk to me about your thoughts on the competition?"
Fussy McCritik: "All of the pies suck. They make me want to puke. They're all made so people will buy them. I can't stand any pie that is made today."
Mayor Morpg: "Well, to me it sounds like you don't like pie...do you think you really should be judging a pie contest?"
Fussy McCritik: "STFU, I know all about pies. I'm just waiting for somebody to make a good one."
Mayor Morpg: "Fussy, if there isn't a single pie that you like, then you just don't like pies. Just admit it."
Fussy McCritik: "You don't get it do you? Go back to your World of Walnut pie. I'm done with this interview."
Ppl generally dont bother with coming to MMORPG.com to tell everyone how much fun they have in their current MMO. Of course there are ppl who do this, but they are the exception.
Exactly , people come here because they are bored and need something to bitch and complain about, or they are waiting on a game to come out. I'm waiting on FF14, for a temporary fix until GW2 and SWTOR come out and ill try those ones.
In the culinary business, you learn real quick that people will rarely tell people about a good experience, but will tell everyone about a bad one. Think the same goes for games.
I've seen many posts by people who say they aren't playing any MMORPG's right now because "there aren't any good games". Should people who hate on MMO's all day, but can't even say they are even playing one, just admit they don't like MMO's?
Here is an interview from the HappyVille Pie Competition to illustrate my thoughts.
___________
Mayor Morpg: "Welcome to the HappyVille Pie Competition. Mr. Fussy McCritik will be judging today. Well Fussy...talk to me about your thoughts on the competition?"
Fussy McCritik: "All of the pies suck. They make me want to puke. They're all made so people will buy them. I can't stand any pie that is made today."
Mayor Morpg: "Well, to me it sounds like you don't like pie...do you think you really should be judging a pie contest?"
Fussy McCritik: "STFU, I know all about pies. I'm just waiting for somebody to make a good one."
Mayor Morpg: "Fussy, if there isn't a single pie that you like, then you just don't like pies. Just admit it."
Fussy McCritik: "You don't get it do you? Go back to your World of Walnut pie. I'm done with this interview."
I would take the time to discuss this topic with you if your rant post masquerading as intelligent discussion didn't make me feel like you are just as much of a close minded idiot as the people you are criticising.
Edited. I removed my response. If he doesn't wish to take time to respond, then I shall pay him the same respect.
I don't get it either, why so much hate for a genre that the fans of it claim to love. I have never walked away from any MMO with a grudge or hate, I enjoyed them all for what they offered, had fun with the good aspects of each MMO despite the flaws each one also had.
I also think that the period of 2000-2005 showed more innovation and progress regarding MMO's than the period of 2006-2010, but that doesn't mean that I automatically dismiss every MMO that appears on the scene. Plus I think that the period 2011-2012 and beyond will show a refreshing boost to the MMO genre with the new MMO's that will arrive.
I think that the '1st love' idea is true: people try to recapture that first sensation of wonder and excitement when we wandered around in a MMO and its virtual world the 1st time. But since a 1st time is only once, that's as hard as trying to recapture that pure joy and excitement and that look of wonder upon the world that we had in our childhood experiences.
Besides the hunt of that '1st love feeling' in every MMO we play, another reason that so many MMO gamers hate most MMORPG games is simply because most people are 'glass half empty' persons and only a minority is 'glass half full' people. For the majority of people it's simpler to focus on the negative things in life than on the positive.
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums: Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
They fell in love with their first MMO, whether it was UO, EQ1, AC, SWG whatever.
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They are trying to recapture that first blush experience. This is impossible because they are suffering from nostalgia and no game can live up to a perfect mental image.
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So they sit in the forum and gripe.
Completely accurate. Alot of the people are too busy dusting off the old memories and rehash them for more than they are worth. I loved my EQ memories, but I am not so bold as to not strive to have new ones and adjust with the changes. Now that doesn't mean I wish to go with the flow always but yeah can't compare a memory too often and come out on top.
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That and MMO people come in here and try to pull some kind of MMO rank. "Oh , I been playing MMO's ever since UO and EQ first came out.... games were so much better back than, you new MMO people take everything for granted"
Honestly I been playing MMO's since Nexus TK came out in 95-97 First Graphical MMORPG(started in 97) I don't want games to take a step backward and be like that game. It is old and outdated.
The games were NOT so much better , it is just all your friends and nostalgia of playing, you are now burned out with MMO's other wise you would still be playing the ones you love so much, or the new ones that are out.
It's like when I played Zelda Online (Graal Online) back in 97.. ,then in 98-99 Everyone was always talking about oh it was better back during beta ?.?.? (so long ago I forget the numbers) but anyhow, it wasn't better it was garbage back than and there were exploiters everywhere and the game was glitchy. The only thing better about it was the friends that played back then.
People let Nostalgia blind them to reality. Don't believe half the crap you hear about how these games were better it is just not true. They were the only option available at the time.
I left out the rest of this post because it was just a wall of ignorance and assumption.
People like different things, that's all it boils down to. The people that liked the MMOs that came out 10 years ago now have no option because games aren't being made that way anymore. It's got nothing to do with 'nostalgia' or whatever other cliches that forum simpletons want to throw around. Some people just flatly enjoyed that style of game more, and they're (understandably) upset that no one is making updated versions with pretty 3d graphics.
I think it has a lot to do with the types of MMORPG games getting published these days. Most are half-baked money grabbers and nothing more. You can recapture that feeling of your first MMORPG. I have done it. And I truly believe it will happen to me again in my liftetime.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
Relative to the times, those old games were better sometimes. Compared 1 on 1 they are worse.
But people are used to very polished games now, there are standards in terms of polish that Blizzard and other companies have set and every game will be compared to them. Many games don't live up to those standards.
I left all my MMO because they didn't live up to basic programming / hacking prevention / customer service, not because of nostalgia.
The same reason why regular gamers hate so many non-mmo games, why so many movie watchers hate so many movies, why so many tv viewers hate so many tv shows, etc etc etc.
People are very opinionated and they all have different tastes, it is no different then any other form of entertainment. Go check out movie forums and see how many people say movie x or y sucks.
That's a total cop-out in my opinion. I think those players probably really would still be playing those games if the developers hadn't changed the game so much over time. And the communities have changed too. WoW has had like 3 or 4 different developer teams with different visions for the game. Just because you don't agree with one team's vision doesn't mean you are wearing rose-colored glasses, in my opinion.
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
That's hard to disagree with.
But I'd add that with MMO's the WAIT between one really good one and the next can seem like forever, as can the development time. When is that next great MMO going to come along, for me?
At least with movies, music, tv imo there's always a few good ones out each year?
http://www.gdcvault.com/play/1014633/Classic-Game-Postmortem
Actually they would be bored of that game by now and they would still be here bitching on the forums. No cop out.
Because no players have ever played the same multiplayer game for more than a year or so, right?
Vault-Tec analysts have concluded that the odds of worldwide nuclear armaggeddon this decade are 17,143,762... to 1.
And not to forget Mr Casual , who likes sticking his finger in lots of different Pies, which of course Mr Hardcore does'nt like because he thinks Mr Casual should only be eating one type of Pie ( namely his Pie). And in turn Mr Casual hates Mr Hardcore because he thinks he should stick his finger in more pies like he does ! lol
... this is a great thread btw
Actually that's kind of what I thought about the older ones. Half assed garbage just thrown together in order to rake in a some money.
Some of these games are still out there and still charging people to play them. It's just an insult. You think your company's game is worth what the games of today are?
A fuckin 2d game (nexus the kingdom of winds)
(Graal Online) a rip off of Zelda Link to the past or w/e 2d game charging a sub fee? GTFO
EQ ???? At least these games are 3d now and have some kind of quality customer support. But glitchy and filled with bugs and no dev teams that give a rats ass.
WoW, they have update after update expansions, customer service, they have alot to offer people.
AoC excellent graphics, and so does AION. Maybe these games did not do as good as WoW, but that's because nobody wants to give games a chance anymore. They bitch and complain and if they aren't what they thought they would be, they play it for like 5 hours and then never log in again.
I know how people are when they try out these games. They don't even get past the starter area before they QQ that it's too hard.
Stop crying and get together and make an MMO with a company if you want. We got enough of these cry babies out here that somebody must be in a position to do this sort of thing. I honestly would like to see a real Zelda MMO, instead of that cheesy rip off from germany. Make one, make it with the good graphics, and make it the way you want it and If it is good , I am sure people will play it, and probably me aswell.
I Guess so man, usually people get bored and play a certain game on and off, because they are good at it. Have alot of stuff on that character and time invested into it. Nothing is stoping people from playing the game if they want, unless of course it is closed down.,
I tried Aion and I couldn't even talk to other people because the Gold spam was almost crashing my chat box. That has nothing to do with QQ but everything with a bad game / company. Then came the hours waiting before you could even log in a server.
That's all NCsoft's fault, not mine and people have a right to QQ about all of that.
And luckily people do QQ, or no one would know these issues until they wasted their money.
That is true, and I'm sure it helps make the situation worse. If you don't like an FPS that comes out, wait a month and try the next one. I also think MMO players have a heightened level of entitlement over other entertainment users. They constantly feel they are OWED a game in the style they want to play. But overall I think most of it comes just from plain human nature, and this being MMORPG we naturally see all the hate to MMORPG forgetting that every product has the same hate.
This is often correct.
But to the op isn't it rather easy to say that they are not currently playing mmos and then classify "haters" as not currently playing. Can you really claim this or at draw that limage to be infered.
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And you thought that a game that had that many people excited about it was not gonna be filled with problems at launch? Be prepared because this is gonna happen with every game that comes out from this point on that has any sort of following.
You should just wait a bit before you decide, first impressions are everything, but don't let launch day fool you. It is always like this when these big games are released. Of course you would have gold spammers. But now adays you don't have any of those problems in Aion.
Ppl generally dont bother with coming to MMORPG.com to tell everyone how much fun they have in their current MMO. Of course there are ppl who do this, but they are the exception.
Exactly , people come here because they are bored and need something to bitch and complain about, or they are waiting on a game to come out. I'm waiting on FF14, for a temporary fix until GW2 and SWTOR come out and ill try those ones.
I expect more nowadays. Even WoW that was launched years ago did better. We're past the era of gold spamming and crashing servers, there are filters and servers are much more stable and cheaper, I expect more for subscription fees.
Many MMO are just living on the $ bubble and are churning out run-of-the-mill WoW dilution every month. Sorry if I'm not interested in throwing my money at everything. It's time the MMO bubble crashes.
I would take the time to discuss this topic with you if your rant post masquerading as intelligent discussion didn't make me feel like you are just as much of a close minded idiot as the people you are criticising.
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Well some people do hate to hate, or hate out of nostalgia. However, like others have said, the genre has changed so much that some of the griping is valid.
The most recent foray of problems with many mmorpgs, at least the 2008-2009 releases, that many of them were overhyped and turned out to not nearly as complete or bug free as we were lead to believe. The mentality of these dev teams were pretty old school, just wanting to get the product out and fix it as they go. The problem is that those games are in direct competition with games like WoW, LotRO, EQ2 and EVE. Any new game is going to be scrutinized to the point where even if the game did have potential, not many will ever see it realized, because the new games are being compared to games that have had many years to fix and polish.
SWTOR is being produced at an estimated cost of $150 million. That's comparable to blockbuster movies, but you're not paying for the latest big name actors to show their faces for two hours (unless they got them to voice act). Spending that kind of cash on the development is a huge risk in the mmorpg world, so much so that you can almost guarantee that the game is going to have many similarities to other games out right now. Investors want a return on their investment, they don't pay to take a risk and reinvent, they want guaranteed return (which doesn't really exist).
With all of this in mind, you can see how long time mmorpg fans could be upset. Yes, the games of old weren't perfect, but there was a certain feel to them. I know Asheron's Call felt like a living and breathing world in many regards. WoW had an organic feeling when it first came out, but as the devs learned how to streamline the leveling process, it has lost that organic feeling.
As much as I love Bioware as a gaming company, there is a part of me that really wants SWTOR to fall flat, and send ripples throughout the gaming world. Perhaps then we'll see some drastic changes.
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Edited. I removed my response. If he doesn't wish to take time to respond, then I shall pay him the same respect.
I don't get it either, why so much hate for a genre that the fans of it claim to love. I have never walked away from any MMO with a grudge or hate, I enjoyed them all for what they offered, had fun with the good aspects of each MMO despite the flaws each one also had.
I also think that the period of 2000-2005 showed more innovation and progress regarding MMO's than the period of 2006-2010, but that doesn't mean that I automatically dismiss every MMO that appears on the scene. Plus I think that the period 2011-2012 and beyond will show a refreshing boost to the MMO genre with the new MMO's that will arrive.
I think that the '1st love' idea is true: people try to recapture that first sensation of wonder and excitement when we wandered around in a MMO and its virtual world the 1st time. But since a 1st time is only once, that's as hard as trying to recapture that pure joy and excitement and that look of wonder upon the world that we had in our childhood experiences.
Besides the hunt of that '1st love feeling' in every MMO we play, another reason that so many MMO gamers hate most MMORPG games is simply because most people are 'glass half empty' persons and only a minority is 'glass half full' people. For the majority of people it's simpler to focus on the negative things in life than on the positive.
The ACTUAL size of MMORPG worlds: a comparison list between MMO's
The ease with which predictions are made on these forums:
Fratman: "I'm saying Spring 2012 at the earliest [for TOR release]. Anyone still clinging to 2011 is deluding themself at this point."
Completely accurate. Alot of the people are too busy dusting off the old memories and rehash them for more than they are worth. I loved my EQ memories, but I am not so bold as to not strive to have new ones and adjust with the changes. Now that doesn't mean I wish to go with the flow always but yeah can't compare a memory too often and come out on top.
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