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Dragonquest 9: I just can't understand the Japanese...
KingKong007
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I have been searching for a decent portable RPG system for ages now. Dungeon Siege on the PsP came close, but I still don't find anything decent.
With all that fuzz about DGQ9 on the DS I bought it: what a waste of money. Slow, terrible interaction, music that drives you crazy, heroes with wings (what's up with these Asians thinking heroes with wings are cool ?!?!?). The so called fantastic MP is terrible.
All asian reviews gave it a 9 (IGN 8). I would hardly give it anything above 2.
It's like the complete games industry has no clue anymore...Apparently portable systems are only good for arcade like things.
Just a hint: don't buy it. Not worth the money.
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...or maybe it is great for its target audience and you aren't it.
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Problem with Console Gaming is that for Nintendo DS and Playstation Portable....Its a very screwed up thing that happens.
Japanese are a very elitist culture, so much that a lot of gamers WILL only buy games that are reviewed to be 7 or higher. Japanese Culture is about not being open to weakness so people will conform to the majority as a way to cover their own hobbies.
Japanese companies always pay off review sites and pages to be given high scores. If they DO NOT PAY those sites, the sites will review the games with bad ratings. It explains how games like FFXIII got reviewed very highly across Japanese Sites but the majority of the population see is as one of the worse Final Fantasy games released.
Owning a Nintendo DS or PLaystation Portable is like living in the 90s and being subjected to complete Japanese Control with an Iron Fist. Bad translations. Waiting for games...Dealing with a lot of saturation and being charged $40+ to play a game with graphics at 320x240 and 360x240, along with 720x480 and 640x480, along with many idiots who will look down on you if you DARE TO SAY that you want something that is more up to date.
I also love it how localized versions are hacked to pieces...
You see...Most Japanese companies couldn't compete against the rest of the world. They tried releasing PC games before and they were beaten by American and European Counterparts Globally, so they crawled into their holes and became the isolationists they always have been...and focused more on Smartphone and Handheld game development.
I really love the "God of War" series in playstation portable. Maybe you should try it.
god of war games are boring and are not rpgs.
best thing you can do with a psp is turn it into an emulator for snes, gba, and ps1. The games on those systems are way better than anything on the DS or psp.
You have no idea what you're talking.
Saying that most Japanese companies couldn't compete against the rest of the world is very, very ignorant. Modern gaming as we know it today has been shaped almost entirely by Japanese companies. Gaming was dominated by the japanese much through out the 90's because their games were the best. Japanese gaming never really tried to get into the western PC gaming space in any serious way, so your comment about them being "beaten" by Europe and American counterparts globally is laughable.
Even today, Japanese companies continue to have an enormous presence in western gaming. Games like Wii fit, Mario Kart Wii and New Super Mario Brothers wii sales range from over 15 million copies sold to over 22 million sold, and thats just on one system.
How the heck do the japanese focus more on smartphones and handhelds when 2 out of 3 home consoles are japanese and some of the best selling games this generation are japanese?
Your argument doesn't hold up from a quality perspective either. 5 out of the top 10 best rated games of all time according to gamerankings are japanese. The top 3 are japanese games.
There is nothing wrong with paying 40$ for a new handheld game. Complaining about it specs is pretty silly when you can't get better games of that size anywhere else.
Lets see...
I lived in Japan for six years. I can read, speak and write Japanese. I can also speak English, Italian and Spanish and I am currently learning Mandarin and French. I also served internships in some game development companies....and Im also a software engineer, a musician and have also directed subtitle groups for fansubs.
Trust me, You don't want to work for a Japanese Company. There are very few Japanese Companies that are good game developers and most of them are dried up in work trying to find things. I loved Square-Enix when it was Square Soft, but right now the original founder of Square-Soft owns 6% of the company, while Sony owns 8% of the company. Enix Founder owns over 20% of the company. Japanese companies constantly deal with their share holders and a lot and thanks to that their plans for the games they wish to make get changed overnight.
My personal favorite is the sticker in Japanese games that are released by Sega, like Phantasy Star Universe that read "For use in Japan Only"
What does any of that has to do with what I posted? I replied to your comment about japanese companies being unable to compete in the western market.
What is so funny about stickers that say "For use in Japan" only?
Outside of handhelds and the Playstation 3, console games are region locked with some exceptions. Games produced to be sold in Japan only work on japanese systems. In other words, the Japanese Xbox 360 version of Phantasy Star Universe only works on a Japanese Xbox 360.
If you were to buy Phantasy Star Universe in North America, you would probably find a similar message or just an icon saying NTSC, which means it only works on NTSC systems. Same goes for Europe, except its called PAL there.
depends on what type of rpgs you are into.. there are plenty on the ds, action rpgs the mega man series is decent, old school the golden sun and dragon quest series is damn good so are the remakes of old final fantasy games rpg tactics games like ff tactics advance 2 valkyire profile and disgaea ds are also good
I challenged my reflection to a staring contest....4 days later i won
Hey guys!! Sry but after readig some things in this post i just had to register and get into it aswell.
I personally dispise most japonese games because they represent mostly what i think is wrong with the gaming industry of today.
I am a PC owner and i look down on most console games because they are normally shallow repetitive overpriced games, that most people get crazy about for (in my eyes) no aparent reason. I have realised that not only console players but also "professional game reviewrs" tend to go over the top wen reviewing console games, so that might explain why aparently the top 3 "best games of all time" (lol) are japonese.
Now just because i don't like most japanese games dosen't mean i don't give them a chance or just emmediatly call them trash, no i actually like some of them, and i think they make what is today one of the best, if not the best game of its type ever created, the gran turismo series. Infact one of my favorites is a rather old game called Ogre Battle...i love how simple it is and how strategic and complex this game can be, and its a shame they don't make more games like this.
Now why do i think that "most japanese games represent mostly whats wrong with the gaming industry today?". Well gameloading gives us a clue..."new super mario bros for the wii"
New as in what? new story? Hah! New graphics? Heck i think mario64 had better ones... And don't get me started on super mario galaxy 2...whats new abou that? yoshi? its the same thing over and over and over again!! even alot of the bosses and encounters are copied directly from mario galaxy 1...ppfff
And then theres final fantasy the Icon of repetitivenesseessesss...lol
Its always the same thing...you are a very good person that has to destroy a very bad person. And your party in the adventure its pretty much the same through out the game series...as in theres the angst one, the tough one, the more serious one, the loony cooky one, and the one thats diferent as in another race or something like that.
And the epic example of repetitiveness is the combat...its been pretty much the same pain in the arse ..."select magic, select spell, select target"...bah.
Tbh i don't think they will ever try and move to the pc, because they would fail!! they lack the will (and not the abilities) to create something that would satisfy the PC crowd because they are more dificult to please, we aren't limited to the aspects of console gaming! Heck even their mmo's are boring repetitive epic pieces of waste. Like Shinami said they are elitists, they do what they know will sell well over there, and the rest of us can go screw ourselfs, because they control most of the console gaming industry, so either play what they give you, or bugger off!!
Now, since they dominate most of the console gaming industry, especially portable, u are limited to what they offer, to what is made available. So OP you don't have much of a choice, either pic what they force down your throat (because they are the only ones doing stuff for that specific console), or do what Terikan 3 said, and turn it to a snes and gba emulator.
Now i know in a little while everyone will be fumming and saying that i suck, i don't know nothing about games bla bla bla, i really don't care, remember that everyone is entiteled to their opinion.
Looking for something a little more traditional than DQ9 the Suikoden game on the DS is pretty top notch. Way more voice acting and animated cut scenes than you'd think. Also the Persona games are on the PSP now, a couple anyway, they're pretty top notch. The World Ends With You on the DS was one of the more fun takes on the console RPG I've played in ages.
Both systems have strong RPGs on them.
I kill other players because they're smarter than AI, sometimes.
Meh....
It's Drangon Quest and it plays like just about every other game in the series. If you didn't like the other Dragon Quest games then you probably are not going to like DQ9. Really.... It's that simple....
The one thing I've noticed about Japanese culture is that they don't really like change too much. If you have a new franchise, you're free to do whatever you want, but on something like Dragon Quest 9? The majority of players simply wanted the same only more so. It really isn't all that different in the West. Everyone talks about innovation, but when it comes to sequels you'll hear epic QQs if the game strays too far from the previous installments.
Also, I'd like to point out that posting about portable game systems on a forum that is mostly aimed at PC gamers is just asking for flames. Sure, you can explain to them all the benifits of handheld gaming, inform them that the current generation of handheld systems have outsold all three current gen consoles combined, or casually let them know that handheld gaming makes up almost 50% of the overall profits generated by the video game industry, but they don't want to hear all that. PC gamers are technology fetishist and they're just not going to get it.
Maybe when they move out of their parents basements, get married and have a few kids they'll come around.
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Hello gameloading, nice to see you replied..well let's see...
Not more indepth? im gonna pick a example, please choose another one if you see fit...Assassins creed.
I have played it, ppl regard it as a great game, one of the best in the last few years. Tbh i can't see why...the story is kind of intresting, it has great graphics but either than that, whats good about it? In my opinion nothing...why? because its extremly repetitive to the point of boredom...And its filled with miningless task designed to keep (what i think in their minds) the gamer entertained but just makes it boring and almost feels like a chore...god i hated climbing those towers over and over again. Would you call that indepth?
Off course im not saying all PC are superb and complete masterpieces and whatnot, i can name tons of them that suck balls, but lets face it, alot if not most of console games are designed to be simple to give a quick and garanteed satisfaction to today's very busy players, and thats what makes them (in my eyes) not very good, especially considering the prices ppl pay for alot of them.
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I see we atleast agree on the starcraft department hahaha. ppl that pay 60 bucks for that are insane!
Regarding the Mario games thing, gravity isn't nothing new these days, and spheric worlds...you mean like in populus 3? Thats just what nintendo does these days, re-release everything they have already done, theres nothing new. Prime example, is mario galaxy 1 and 2...heck they copied some bosses and encounters from mario galaxy 1, to mario galaxy 2, they are exactly the same...why didnt they modify them at least a bit....they added yoshi into mario galaxy 2...what else?
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Regarding the FF series, maybe i might be selling them short...i remember the first ones, i love them (1 to 4), they were very fun...unfortunatly that can't be said of the lastest instalements. The combat reinvents itself every new game? how? all i see, all i experience is that awefull like square that you have navigate to select whatever u want to do, that same combat system that is present in pretty much every single FF game since the very first one?
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Ho look at that, you are all huffing and puffing at me, just because i said something you dont agree with? Don't be mad pumpkin, its only games we are talking about, not world politics. So speaking my mind, and telling you my opinion on something makes me a elitist? Yes i said they are elitists, they don't change because they don't want to, they know they don't need to, if it sells well in japan without any kind of changes, why change? look at their mmo's...every once in a while a new one comes out...is it new, refreshing, inovative? no its a copy of one that came out a few months, down to the look, the grind, the gameplay.
I don't consider myself a PC elitist, i just say what i think from my gaming experience, sure i have a PC and i mostly play on it, but i have played and still play console games, and i will stick to my shalow statement. Like i said console games are desined nowhadays to deliver simple and fast entertainment for the mostly busy ppl of today, that means they will overlook depth, and will exchange it with acessibility, making them simpler, ergo shalow.
Yes they will fail on the PC due to what shinami said, the shareolders...why risk it and loose money? Like you said PC games sell less, due to piracy, so why move to the PC at all, wen you can already make big bucks selling games on the consoles that for the most part don't really need alot of changes?? Those millions they make selling games are made in japan...i know its a bit old, but this report i belive will help my statement...
http://www.geek.com/articles/games/square-enix-sales-drop-by-nearly-10-percent-20080528/
They sold only half in 2007 in the US,and they only dropped 10%. I will go further as to say that probably 60, to 70% of their market is japan.
And if indeed im a PC elitist, you are no doubt a console elitist
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offering a game for sale indeed is not forcing it down the throat, but regarding this particular type the OP mentioned RPG's, they are indeed dominated by japanese developers...games like i don't know..."Crysis core FFVII, Shin Megami,kingdom of paradise, star ocean etc" all these, regarded as some of the best if not the best rpg's for this particular hand-held (PSP), and alot more other rpg's for the hand helds are from japanese developers, so in a way, you don't have much of a choice but to either give up and search for something else besides rpg's or swallow, because alot of these RPG's are similar in alot of aspects because alot of them use a identical formula, that dosen't change much.
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Embarace mysef? why would i feel embarassed for speaking my mind, and sharing my opinion? From the "tone" in your post, you act and type like this is somesort of little war where one is trying to prove he is better than the other?...i am not here to prove anything, or make my word law, im here simply to share my views, and tell other gamers what i think and feel about certain things.
But what the hell right? Im nissinformed and clearly know nothing about the subject, you have clearly more insight , yet you didn't share it in your last post, you simply claim im a elitist with no knoledge whatsoever. If you are more insightfull plz share it with the rest of us missinformed people as we wish to be more insightfull.
I hope to hear from you soon, and thank you for your time.
@jekko how can you knock consoles while admitting you play them you have shared your opinon heres mine i like rpgs both japenese and western my fav game right now is oblivion a multiplatform first released on p.c. i also like final fantasy series the older ones are better i admit but they are constantly improving story line enemies and the challenge level of the game some of the stuff they change (like magic not taking mp in final fantasy 8) i wish wouldnt change but it is unresonable to say nothing changes sure there are a lot of simularities but if they changed every thing final fantasy would not be final fantasy in conclusion almost every game in any genre is similar to game before it in same genre on p.c. and console. if a gun shoots dont mess with it if a game formula works why change it. also due to console emulation consoles are not immune to piracy either. sorry game loading had your name on original post changed now though.
I felt the same way as you, i didnt ever use my DS until i bought the new final fantasy tactics. The game is cheap and i have like 50 something hours put into it while im traveling
What you don't understand Jeko is that assassin's creed is an action/adventure game NOT rpg and despite it's repetitiveness which seems you never heard people complaining about I wonder how ubisoft assassin's creed 2 should (haven't tried it yet) feel more open and less repetitive then the previous one.
OP didn't like dragon quest because it's slow but that's the point of turned based rpgs like for example I don't expect to kill everything in 2 hits on final fantasy in the beginning that's the point of almost any game specially rpgs that you advance and become stronger while the story is being done.
also furthermore if you turn the psp into an emulator for ps1 snes and/or gba you are still getting mostly japenese made games so in knocking said games you are also telling people to play them will you make up our minds do you or do you not like japenese games again i remind you aforementioned emu's are for japenese based consoles i think you just dont know how much you really do rely on japanese game makers for quality games.
So in other words, you've never played any Dragon Warrior ( Dragon Quest is the Japanese title until DQ 8, when both regions used it ) game before, and were disappointed because the ninth game in the main series ( there are also offshoot titles involving the Slimes and such ) didn't meet your approval. Good job on the research there, guy.
Personally, I love all the DQ/DW games. But then, that's just me. And that's the whole point right there. The game, and probably JRPGS as a whole, just ain't for you.
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