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GTX 470 vs ATI 5850
Neochaos5
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so.. like the title says which would be better for ffxiv?
the ati is quite cheap i hear but can overclock like a best as the gtx 470 is a bit more but is good at tessellation...
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IMO I would go with ATi for two reason.
They have basically the same performance of between the ones you listed and it runs a hellva alot cooler. Just MHO.
The second reason really depends on your MB and Processor but in general I have notices less complications with AMD....at least in the last 5 years. Once again just my thoughts.
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http://videocardbenchmark.net/high_end_gpus.html
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814500166&cm_re=gtx_480-_-14-500-166-_-Product
you can 500 dollars to spend on a card this is one of the more cooler 480's
I have an ASUS TOP/CU 5850 and I have to say, it is a beast for the price and can handle just about anything thrown at it in 1920x1080 w/ settings maxed, including FFXIV, well, at least from what the FFXIV benchmark says. The only thing it can't handle maxxed is stuff like Metro and Crysis 2, but even those it handles really well. Not to mention that you can overclock the hell out a 5850, or even a 5870...I have been a nVidia fan-boy since I got into PC gaming, but when I started doing research a few months ago to prepare for the new rig I was building (which I am using now), it was just impossible to ignore ATi's dominance this (and last) generation. I swore off ATi back in the days of RAGE, b/c everything was shit, but I really had to eat crow building this rig as I love my 5850 and am happier with it then I was with my last 3 nVidia GPU's (ge-force 4, 5700 Ultra, and 7800 GTX if anyone is interested).
In the ever important price/performance factor the last two-gens of ATi have been totally destroying nVidia's offerings, and by destroying I mean it's as if ATi shoved a tactical nuclear warhead up nVidia's ass and detonated it...twice. That being said, if you can afford them, the 480's are impressive pieces of hardware and will put out better framerates, and benchmarks in most games compared to a 5870...so why don't people prefer the 480's? it's a combination of their heat and power consumption, and their much higher price point, and there's the big problem.
nVidia priced the 480's so high that they aren't in the same price bracket as the 5870, but rather are priced closer to the 5970 which is a dual-gpu solution, and when compared, the 480's generally don't measure up to a 5970 except when you get into games that use a very specific type of rendering and such. A lot of people say that this comparision isn't really fair as you're comparing a single-GPU card to a dual-GPU card, but if you ask me what is more fair then comparing the two competing companies products that are priced closest to each other. The 480's have physx, cuda, and 3D support built-in, so that is definitely something to take into considertation, but b/c of nVidia's low market-share the last few gens, fewer and fewer devs and publishers are willing to take the time, and spend the money to implement these closed, proprietary features that such a small fraction of the demo will ever use.
Basically, nVidia's hardware IS superior, but b/c of absurd pricing, ATi offers much better bang-for-the-buck. So if you can afford to ignore that and spend the money, then nVidia is the way to go, but if price is a factor, then you will be much better served w/ an ATi.
5850 = Nice overclocking ability (20%+), Eyefinity support with one card (3 monitors), Low power consumption, low temperatures.
470 = Better performer with tesselation, CUDA.
Reviews over the net are split. Performance superiority is nowhere near 100% clear due to varying benchmark tests and game programming.
You wouldn't be going wrong either way really. Both are very good cards.
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Both cards are about same speed, 5850 get more power from overclocking and cooler though. But you get PhysX with GTX470 - it's the main difference for gamer, but there are few games that use it and even less where PhysX makes any real difference. MMOs never use PhysX though - developers always try to use only stuff availible to everyone and not exclusive tech.
In my opinion - get what is cheaper, though GTX470 is no longer the most interesting money/power offer at the momen - check GTX460 - about as fast as not-OCed 5850 but just 200$ i believe
Forget the GTX 470... for about $100 less you can get...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814125333
A single GTX 460 overclocked is as good or better than a GTX 470. Several reviews have seen the 460 beat the 470 on a few popular games, and be just behind it by 2-4 fps in others. I have mine OC'ed to 800mHz (stock is 675) and it can go at least another 51mHz before requiring a voltage change.
OR... go for two GTX 460s in SLI... They will SMOKE a single GTX 480 and be cheaper.
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Well with the 470 you can overclock it way faster then the 5870 stock (have both). Now NV 470 has going for it 3D, cuda physx YET they are very far and few most have what ONE, TWO games that fall in to that. Now for ME.. ME.. you can REALLY tell the deff in IQ. For IQ ATI hands down. Dont let ANYONE tell you diff when it comes to HEAT with the 470. 5870 idle 43c, 470 60c.
I know you were talking about the 5850. So .. me I would go with the 470 just way faster than the 5850.
the 10.6 drivers are fine. what about the nvdia cards that are frying because they dont shut them selfs off when they get hot?
hmmm im still not sure maybe il fork out the money and just get a 5870..
Don't let the drooling brand fanboys influence your decision. Go on the net and read some credible, fact based reviews.
MMORPG.com is far from the ideal place.
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true lol
If the main reason for you to get a new card is for FFXIV Go with the gtx 470... stay away from ati for this game atm.
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I'm getting the 460 in a month or so. It is cheaper and runs pretty fast and does not generate as much heat as the 470. I'm Ocing too like the one guy was talking about.
Someday we'll all look back on the age of computers - and lol.
Still a good thread anyway, i'm choosing one myself and the 460 is looking good (tomshardware)
so would a 5870 be better than a gtx 470?
Not a fan of any of the brands, I had the same exact dilemma around two months ago. Had to go with ATI 5850 because otherwise I would have to change my PSU to a bigger one and it's quite a PITA for me (extreme laziness disease).
I can tell you I'm very happy with the choise so far. With CPU bottlenecking my GPU just a little bit (e8200 here) I'm getting well above 3000 in the benchmark at hd, which seems to be enough for my needs. All I need is smooth gameplay at medium settings at 1920 x 1200. Moreover, it performs greately in last gen games like Metro 2033, which shows some of those new tasty DX11 features.
Oh, and the drivers are just great. The card pretty much overclocked itself and it's so quiet that I can never hear it no matter how hard the card is working. Many people will tell you that the game is better suited for Nvidia, but from my experience, it's all getting patched up at some point and you shouldn't really choose a card over one game, no matter how much you think you are gonna play it.
Wish you all the best, just be sure that your PSU is gonna hold and CPU won't bottleneck your power
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Definitely.
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GTX 460 has better OC capability than ATI's 5850. almost all card can OC to 900MHz. that's 33% increase. $50 cheaper. 3D ready. better campatiable than ATI card for both hardware and software.
I would say, if you overclock go with the 5850, otherwise the 470. The 5850 OC's easily past a 5870 which is why I picked it.
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I have a 5850 it benchmarks well over 3k on high. Daresay it would be faster with a newer CPU, newer than a core2duo anyhow.
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Benchmarked at 4712 high, 5400 low with an overclocked 5850 and a q9550 cpu @ 3.4ghz. I can attest to it being a very solid card.
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I bought the HIS icooler V HD 5850 1GB Turbo the other day and it out performs a 470 on most tests, including reported FF benchmarks from similar systems. The turbo option means its slightly overclocked to start with; 765 core 1125 mem. Without clocking it runs at around 45c with 35% fan speed, stays around 60c when stressed with the fan speed going up to 50%. Clocked to 850 core 1175 mem it is stable without voltage increase and the max temp it gets to (when FULLY stressed) is 65c with the fan at 65%.
It runs extremely silent because the cooler is fantastic.
Even if the performance between the two models isn't so different.. I recommend the HIS icooler V Turbo purely because it runs cooler and quieter than any 470 I know of and is slightly pre-clocked.
lol the 5800 cards can hit 1k mhz with a volt increase need better cooler 2 but its stable