its not worth it, unless u pve only, the time wasted for transmitions back and forth takes too long. no matter how beast you "gaming rig inside the wall" is, the wireless still has delay, not to mention running this kind of software on a laptop is even worse than just gaming directly on it.
I wouldn;t be running any software on the laptop- lol I am going to gut the laptop and the wireless keyboard and try to convert the laptop- should have the same reaction time as using a regualr wireless keyboard and mouse. I can already do that and play FPS games and it doesn;t seem to slow anything down. I am wanting to take it a step further by turning the laptop into a wireless controller itself. I want to physically merge them.. LOL
Yes, I have a soldering iron and am not afraid to use it.
You're probably not going to be able to find a wireless connection with enough bandwidth to avoid some serious image quality or frame rate issues. Even gigabit ethernet doesn't theoretically have enough bandwidth to run a monitor signal through it. With the sort of image degradation you'll have to deal with, you might as well just get a gaming laptop that doesn't run that hot and turn graphical settings down.
I'm not a fan of laptops, whether gaming or otherwise. But I do think they're the best solution for what you want to do. Actually, the real best solution is to sit at a desktop when you want to play games.
Also, if you're going to put a very powerful desktop in a wall as you say, you'd better make sure that it has plenty of airflow.
You're probably not going to be able to find a wireless connection with enough bandwidth to avoid some serious image quality or frame rate issues. Even gigabit ethernet doesn't theoretically have enough bandwidth to run a monitor signal through it. With the sort of image degradation you'll have to deal with, you might as well just get a gaming laptop that doesn't run that hot and turn graphical settings down.
I'm not a fan of laptops, whether gaming or otherwise. But I do think they're the best solution for what you want to do. Actually, the real best solution is to sit at a desktop when you want to play games.
Also, if you're going to put a very powerful desktop in a wall as you say, you'd better make sure that it has plenty of airflow.
Airflow will not be an issue, with an in wall system you do not have to run the fans off the Powersupply, and are able to have much larger, quieter cooling systems.
The BIG issue is the 30fps bottleneck with wireless video. I thought maybe it had improved over time, but they seem to have gotten nowhere. Until they improve that- I may just go with a combination of wall mounted Monitors, Televisions & wireless keyboard and mouse- but I soo want to be able to use it outside as well, so I may try to mod one and maybe make some " video wall jacks". I can pretty much run video jacks anywhere inside my home if I drop them down from the attic, not sure about " weatherproofing" them though, .. That could be another project.
( except I REALLY HATE touchscreen anything) so I would not want that implemented- Touch screen is such a bad idea with long nails.
Still want to try and go all chop shop on some laptops and see what I can rewire to make them usuable with the system.. It would be nice to have a " tote along".
I do not suggest some things. First the only way to make use of the Laptop is to use it as a Remote Client. This will not improve performance for you at all. I don't know of any software currently available that will allow you to stream from your desktop to your laptop like OnLive, but that would be the ideal approach.
Second, I do not suggest wireless anything if you can. Although wireless is convinient, it can cause a delay and that can make a major difference if over-utilized or too far away from a reciever.
The simpler method is just to setup multiple speakers, monitors, keyboards, and mice throughout your home. Then attach them all to the same PC. The cable length may be a problem. Feeding multiples should not be a problem since you are cloning the image across all the monitors. So you can use a Y-Adapter and USB Hubs.
I do not suggest some things. First the only way to make use of the Laptop is to use it as a Remote Client. This will not improve performance for you at all. I don't know of any software currently available that will allow you to stream from your desktop to your laptop like OnLive, but that would be the ideal approach.
Second, I do not suggest wireless anything if you can. Although wireless is convinient, it can cause a delay and that can make a major difference if over-utilized or too far away from a reciever.
The simpler method is just to setup multiple speakers, monitors, keyboards, and mice throughout your home. Then attach them all to the same PC. The cable length may be a problem. Feeding multiples should not be a problem since you are cloning the image across all the monitors. So you can use a Y-Adapter and USB Hubs.
I have no desire to use ANY software on the Laptops, but instead gut them and hard wire the connections so they are just a wireless video/ keyboard/ mouse and nothing more.
I have used wireless keyboard/mouse/ video and the only problem I have encountered is with the video not having enough frames per second to suit my needs. That would mean I would only have to wire the video for the time being until wireless video catches up. I can drop video lines from the attic and have jacks for them, but for the rest it would just be easier to go long range wireless on the keyboard and mouse.
I am actually wanting to build a few gaming systems into the wall, with external cooling and be able to play it anywhere in my house with full capabilities. Of course I could add a mouse/ keyboard jack in my living room, but the rest I would go wireless for ease of use. I do not plan on using any remote software and will keep all remote capabilities disabled or gut them from my computer entirely as I have on a couple of the systems I have. LOL
This project of mine pretty much went on ice due to the limitations of remote video bottlenecking the frame rate at the time. SO I am wondering now if anyone knows if there has been any massive improvement to this tech, to maybe make this happen now since it has been a while. I still really want to be able to do this with an in wall rig, would like to undertake it next spring if pssible, but am wondering if they have resolved any of the issues with the Framerate that would allow me to make this function well. If anyone knows, I would greatly apprectaite it.
Thanks,
Carrie
* And No this is not just a necro topic, I still really really really want to do this and have been waiting for tech to catch up!!*
Well, Nintendo did with with the Wii U controller - it uses a dedicated N-band WiFi channel and some proprietary codecs. But none of that is commercially available.
You could likely do it with something like a wireless HDMI and bluetooth keyboard/mouse - that would get you a couple rooms away, but not much farther.
VNC/RDP still aren't really fast enough to stream games with, even over local networks. You may could squeeze enough optimization out to get 30FPS with a strong signal (dual band N or gigabit ethernet), but it would take some tweaking.
I think that WHDI is supposed to do something along the lines of what you're looking for, but I've never really looked into it. I'm not sure if it would work for you, but it's something to look into.
I really do wish you luck in your quest to obtain a truely "Built in" wireless home. That said if the tech existed to allow such a setup at the consumer market level finding an answer to your question wouldn't be so hard.
That isn't to say obscure tech ideas aren't in existence and unkwown to the general public, thus hard to find. But rather your concept is not really new and is one, if possible, that would be highly marketable to those who could afford it at a consumer level.
Again, I'm hoping you prove me wrong but I'm also not holding my breath...
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I wouldn;t be running any software on the laptop- lol I am going to gut the laptop and the wireless keyboard and try to convert the laptop- should have the same reaction time as using a regualr wireless keyboard and mouse. I can already do that and play FPS games and it doesn;t seem to slow anything down. I am wanting to take it a step further by turning the laptop into a wireless controller itself. I want to physically merge them.. LOL
Yes, I have a soldering iron and am not afraid to use it.
You're probably not going to be able to find a wireless connection with enough bandwidth to avoid some serious image quality or frame rate issues. Even gigabit ethernet doesn't theoretically have enough bandwidth to run a monitor signal through it. With the sort of image degradation you'll have to deal with, you might as well just get a gaming laptop that doesn't run that hot and turn graphical settings down.
I'm not a fan of laptops, whether gaming or otherwise. But I do think they're the best solution for what you want to do. Actually, the real best solution is to sit at a desktop when you want to play games.
Also, if you're going to put a very powerful desktop in a wall as you say, you'd better make sure that it has plenty of airflow.
Airflow will not be an issue, with an in wall system you do not have to run the fans off the Powersupply, and are able to have much larger, quieter cooling systems.
The BIG issue is the 30fps bottleneck with wireless video. I thought maybe it had improved over time, but they seem to have gotten nowhere. Until they improve that- I may just go with a combination of wall mounted Monitors, Televisions & wireless keyboard and mouse- but I soo want to be able to use it outside as well, so I may try to mod one and maybe make some " video wall jacks". I can pretty much run video jacks anywhere inside my home if I drop them down from the attic, not sure about " weatherproofing" them though, .. That could be another project.
Maybe a mix of something like this guy did:
Wall mounted Kitchen computer
and a good long range wireless keyboard and mouse.
( except I REALLY HATE touchscreen anything) so I would not want that implemented- Touch screen is such a bad idea with long nails.
Still want to try and go all chop shop on some laptops and see what I can rewire to make them usuable with the system.. It would be nice to have a " tote along".
You really are quite the handywoman. I don't even know how to properly mount my screen to the wall and wish I had someone like you around.
Anyway, I wish you good luck with your quest for remote gaming.
How to Hang a Flat Screen TV
Thank you, It is going to be a fun project for sure!
I do not suggest some things. First the only way to make use of the Laptop is to use it as a Remote Client. This will not improve performance for you at all. I don't know of any software currently available that will allow you to stream from your desktop to your laptop like OnLive, but that would be the ideal approach.
Second, I do not suggest wireless anything if you can. Although wireless is convinient, it can cause a delay and that can make a major difference if over-utilized or too far away from a reciever.
The simpler method is just to setup multiple speakers, monitors, keyboards, and mice throughout your home. Then attach them all to the same PC. The cable length may be a problem. Feeding multiples should not be a problem since you are cloning the image across all the monitors. So you can use a Y-Adapter and USB Hubs.
I have no desire to use ANY software on the Laptops, but instead gut them and hard wire the connections so they are just a wireless video/ keyboard/ mouse and nothing more.
I have used wireless keyboard/mouse/ video and the only problem I have encountered is with the video not having enough frames per second to suit my needs. That would mean I would only have to wire the video for the time being until wireless video catches up. I can drop video lines from the attic and have jacks for them, but for the rest it would just be easier to go long range wireless on the keyboard and mouse.
I am actually wanting to build a few gaming systems into the wall, with external cooling and be able to play it anywhere in my house with full capabilities. Of course I could add a mouse/ keyboard jack in my living room, but the rest I would go wireless for ease of use. I do not plan on using any remote software and will keep all remote capabilities disabled or gut them from my computer entirely as I have on a couple of the systems I have. LOL
OP, have you looked into a program called stream my game? I ran across it and thought of this post.
http://www.streammygame.com/smg/index.php
And here is a youtube video showing it off.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2SLE_Rl4jk
I don't know if its exactly what you are looking for but hopefully this helps.
This project of mine pretty much went on ice due to the limitations of remote video bottlenecking the frame rate at the time. SO I am wondering now if anyone knows if there has been any massive improvement to this tech, to maybe make this happen now since it has been a while. I still really want to be able to do this with an in wall rig, would like to undertake it next spring if pssible, but am wondering if they have resolved any of the issues with the Framerate that would allow me to make this function well. If anyone knows, I would greatly apprectaite it.
Thanks,
Carrie
* And No this is not just a necro topic, I still really really really want to do this and have been waiting for tech to catch up!!*
Well, Nintendo did with with the Wii U controller - it uses a dedicated N-band WiFi channel and some proprietary codecs. But none of that is commercially available.
You could likely do it with something like a wireless HDMI and bluetooth keyboard/mouse - that would get you a couple rooms away, but not much farther.
VNC/RDP still aren't really fast enough to stream games with, even over local networks. You may could squeeze enough optimization out to get 30FPS with a strong signal (dual band N or gigabit ethernet), but it would take some tweaking.
The Deep Web is sca-ry.
I really do wish you luck in your quest to obtain a truely "Built in" wireless home. That said if the tech existed to allow such a setup at the consumer market level finding an answer to your question wouldn't be so hard.
That isn't to say obscure tech ideas aren't in existence and unkwown to the general public, thus hard to find. But rather your concept is not really new and is one, if possible, that would be highly marketable to those who could afford it at a consumer level.
Again, I'm hoping you prove me wrong but I'm also not holding my breath...