Completely agree. Being a former FFXI player, I knew this was going to be the general reaction from the most people. Most western players just want another streamlined hotbar mashing game.
As opposed to button mashing game?
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
God forbid people want to play with their keyboard and mouse on a PC game instead of going to buy a joypad. The nerves of these people, i know!
If it came with a free game pad, then that might be alright. But I'm not buying a gamepad for just one game because the developres are too lazy to make the keyboar/mouse controls something more than a shoddy console port.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
God forbid people want to play with their keyboard and mouse on a PC game instead of going to buy a joypad. The nerves of these people, i know!
Who's stopping you?
Is it because you have to use different keys on a keyboard for this game?
As far as I'm concerned, WASD works perfectly fine.
When you touch a key on your little keyboard.. Does the screen do something? Okay, it does?
So what exactly is the problem then?
Are you too upset that you can't change the keys 100%?
Because the little guy on my screen sure as fuck responds when I use MY keyboard and mouse.
Sure the mouse is a tad slow atm, but that's due to their mouse smoothing which I'm absolutely sure we'll figure out how to turn off, otherwise this shit's easy as fuck.
All the "this is a clone of this!!" comments are silly and form no basis for any rational discussion; there have been plenty of 'clone' comments for this game as well, but given my previous statement, I will not usher them.
I for one, am particularly disappointed with the FFXIV community on the official forums and with what is again shown in your post OP.
Perfectly legitimate and balanced critiques during closed beta have been shot down by fans, or should I say trolls, who simply do not want to see it.
Again you say "get a fucking gamepad!!". Let me tell you this: they are releasing this game for PC so make the damn controls work for PC.
That's the end of that, otherwise, don't release for the platform. I am not going to buy a "fucking gamepad" because the developers decide to make a lousy console port, probably the worst one I've ever seen btw; I'm simply not going to play it.
Other critiques on controls, or the trouble navigating menu's, or the lack of quests and the silly cooldowns on some of them, were met with similar rebuttals and straw man arguments; while a great deal of all that and other practical feedback had a consensus amongst most of the testers, some of the people who are apparently unaware of all this had to shoot it down with ridiculous statements like "Well then, go buy a fucking gamepad!".
Well, then, I say: "Enjoy it dear fans (and not all of them mind you); but don't expect anyone else to play it."
You do realize that the controls for the PC are STANDARD to what JAPANESE players are accustomed too. Are you suggesting SE change their controls just to cater the NA playerbase? You don't like the controller or don't have one? Tough luck learn a new way of playing with the keyboard only or the keyboard / mouse combo.
It really frustrates me when people refuse to try anything new and always expect controls to be the same for every game.
Really, ive been playing MMO's for many years now, and after this beta started I just got totally disappointed with the MMO gamers in general.
SE brings us a totally different game, with some different concepts, different gameplay and harder learning curve (wich was what so many players whined about, the easiness of games). And everyone just criticizes and trash the game.
What were people expecting? Another clone?
When Aion was release everyone trashed the game for being a clone, now, everyone trashed the game for being very different.
Just remenber, this is a new experience. Get a f***ing gamepad, read the damn quests and enjoy something totally new. It's all there if you read. Stop asking it to be just like every other game, and above all, STOP ASKING IT TO BE THE WAY YOU WANT IT TO BE.
It's SE choice to decide the public to wich they cater. Take it or leave it, but at least be man/woman enough not to criticize if it's not your cup of tea. It's good, just not for you
Completely agree. Being a former FFXI player, I knew this was going to be the general reaction from the most people. Most western players just want another streamlined hotbar mashing game.
Motionjoy is useless, it's not downloading everything it needs to and thus I can't get my controller to work. It's honestly very frustrating.
I'm using motionyjoy to use my PS3 controller for FFXIV and it works great. Got it up and working in 5 minutes. And in terms if controls... its hard to get a function control scheme that works for both a keyboard/mouse combo and a controller. There aren't many mmos out there that need to be designed for both. Look at Dragon Age (not an mmo but), they had a different control scheme for the PC and console versions. One or the other will suffer, thats just the way it is.
Anyways, I completely agree with the OP. This is why I barely go to MMO forums. How can anyone take someone seriously when they spell system as sistem. Yeah theres control issues for the keyboard users but the whole responsiveness and lag issue? Yeah this must be the first mmo that has ever had lag or responsiveness issues in open beta. Seriously... just shut up -_-
Is it because you have to use different keys on a keyboard for this game?
As far as I'm concerned, WASD works perfectly fine.
I'm right handed, I don't use WASD.
I use the arrow keys on the right side of the keyboard and use my mouse with my left hand - that's the correct way to do it. Everyone asks me "Hey are you left handed?" -- because I use my mouse with my left hand. Um no. the mouse was, and has always been a LEFT handed tool. Thus why your NUMPAD exists in the first place, the Keyboard is designed for the right hand.
FF14 has the most depth out of any MMO in the last 2 years, and people are shitting on it because you need a gamepad.. for fucksakes, really? Thats enough for you not to buy this game?
That's a bit short sighted isn't it? Lumping everyone into that category when some of us have clearly stated, from having played closed and open beta, more important issues with the game. Like perhaps targeting of mobs and party members, AOE functionality, mob placement, threat mechanics, macros, and poor combat mechanics which leads to no diversity. Some of these can and probably will be alliviated but many seem to be critical gameplay decisions that SE has decided to stick to.
What depth are we talking about besides the obviously beautiful world and crafting? Do any of our actions effect the world? Making basic gameplay mechanics and UI overly complicated does not equate to depth. Artificial barriers does not equate to depth. I'd prefer the dev team spent more time designing fantastically complex and difficult encounters and an in depth political system that effects everything around me with tons of content, than focus so much on beauty.
Quite irconic. FF XIV is actually amongst the MMO's with the least depth. There's next to nothing to do but grind. That's either crafting or for combat leveling.
Quite irconic. FF XIV is actually amongst the MMO's with the least depth. There's next to nothing to do but grind. That's either crafting or for combat leveling.
SE has repeated MANY times they are keeping the content under wraps until launch comes along, what more do you expect in a Beta? the full fucking game?
Is it because you have to use different keys on a keyboard for this game?
As far as I'm concerned, WASD works perfectly fine.
I'm right handed, I don't use WASD.
I use the arrow keys on the right side of the keyboard and use my mouse with my left hand - that's the correct way to do it. Everyone asks me "Hey are you left handed?" -- because I use my mouse with my left hand. Um no. the mouse was, and has always been a LEFT handed tool. Thus why your NUMPAD exists in the first place, the Keyboard is designed for the right hand. Using WASD is fucking retarded.
Quite irconic. FF XIV is actually amongst the MMO's with the least depth. There's next to nothing to do but grind. That's either crafting or for combat leveling.
SE has repeated MANY times they are keeping the content under wraps until launch comes along, what more do you expect in a Beta? the full fucking game?
No they haven't. They are keeping the full story arc under wraps. The rest is what you see.
Its also the norm for open beta's to be the complete game.
What quests? Theres the main story Quest, which is mostly for some starting Gil and a handful of the Battlecraft Levequest's, which are on 48 hour timers.
Quite irconic. FF XIV is actually amongst the MMO's with the least depth. There's next to nothing to do but grind. That's either crafting or for combat leveling.
SE has repeated MANY times they are keeping the content under wraps until launch comes along, what more do you expect in a Beta? the full fucking game?
No they haven't. They are keeping the full story arc under wraps. The rest is what you see.
Its also the norm for open beta's to be the complete game.
Really, ive been playing MMO's for many years now, and after this beta started I just got totally disappointed with the MMO gamers in general.
SE brings us a totally different game, with some different concepts, different gameplay and harder learning curve (wich was what so many players whined about, the easiness of games). And everyone just criticizes and trash the game.
What were people expecting? Another clone?
When Aion was release everyone trashed the game for being a clone, now, everyone trashed the game for being very different.
Just remenber, this is a new experience. Get a f***ing gamepad, read the damn quests and enjoy something totally new. It's all there if you read. Stop asking it to be just like every other game, and above all, STOP ASKING IT TO BE THE WAY YOU WANT IT TO BE.
It's SE choice to decide the public to wich they cater. Take it or leave it, but at least be man/woman enough not to criticize if it's not your cup of tea. It's good, just not for you
/signed....
to all those whining, if it's too hard for you, LEAVE. sick of being spoon fed, reason I like this game.
Please, stop with the epeen, not like you're playing a challenging and different game like EVE.
Until someone makes a game 'exactly' like I want, I'll continue to criticize most games.
But not this one, it caters to a certain niche of players who seem to like it despite its faults (if you release a game on a PC it better damn well work great with a mouse/keyboard) and the market needs more variety of games out there.
Just trying to live long enough to play a new, released MMORPG, playing New Worlds atm
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God forbid people want to play with their keyboard and mouse on a PC game instead of going to buy a joypad. The nerves of these people, i know!
Who's stopping you?
Is it because you have to use different keys on a keyboard for this game?
As far as I'm concerned, WASD works perfectly fine.
When you touch a key on your little keyboard.. Does the screen do something? Okay, it does?
So what exactly is the problem then?
Are you too upset that you can't change the keys 100%?
Because the little guy on my screen sure as fuck responds when I use MY keyboard and mouse.
Sure the mouse is a tad slow atm, but that's due to their mouse smoothing which I'm absolutely sure we'll figure out how to turn off, otherwise this shit's easy as fuck.
i would be perfectly happy playing the game with the way they handled the keyboard and mouse except that i'm left handed so WASD does not work for me
it seems you should be able to change keys - i prefer the arrow keys - but i can't get it to work - or at best i haven't figured out how
God forbid people want to play with their keyboard and mouse on a PC game instead of going to buy a joypad. The nerves of these people, i know!
Who's stopping you?
Is it because you have to use different keys on a keyboard for this game?
As far as I'm concerned, WASD works perfectly fine.
When you touch a key on your little keyboard.. Does the screen do something? Okay, it does?
So what exactly is the problem then?
Are you too upset that you can't change the keys 100%?
Because the little guy on my screen sure as fuck responds when I use MY keyboard and mouse.
Sure the mouse is a tad slow atm, but that's due to their mouse smoothing which I'm absolutely sure we'll figure out how to turn off, otherwise this shit's easy as fuck.
i would be perfectly happy playing the game with the way they handled the keyboard and mouse except that i'm left handed so WASD does not work for me
it seems you should be able to change keys - i prefer the arrow keys - but i can't get it to work - or at best i haven't figured out how
Looks like NUMPAD was designed fully functional, also to incorporate the camera.
I'm sure in due time there will be either more dynamic options or we'll find a way to just crack it to our liking. :x
Get used to being upset with the MMO community. Because the 'community' has eroded thanks to the idea of alts, soloing, and Internet attitude. To really be a community, people have to be interdependant with one another. That doesn't happen anymore.
In most games, you have enough alts to be able to craft anything in the game if you are willing to spend the time collecting the materials. And that's if you even need to craft... Most games are loot driven in that you don't need anything crafted. The last game I can remember that was really not loot driven was pre-NGE SWG. You didn't loot that awesome blaster, someone made it for you. Even if you did loot some really good ingrediant, you only had one character on the server and needed someone else to use said ingrediant to make your uber spiffy new toy. And in SWG, that uber spiffy new toy wasn't too much better than the normal stuff. It was better, but not game breaking better. And speaking of breaking, that weapon would eventually break down and need to be replaced... which kept you coming back to the same crafter and looking for those ingrediants. And then you took battle fatigue, and needed the entertainers to remove that.
See, that was a well made game. Combat oriented players needed the crafters to make their toys. Combatants needed the social players (who played entertainer professions) to buff them and reduce battle fatigue. The social players needed the crafting players to make them new outfits (because social players generally like a variety of cloths to wear). And the crafters needed the combatants and entertainers to buy their wares so they could make more items. And since everyone only had ONE character, you couldn't be a jerk (internet attitude) because you'd get denied services.
Next, we'll discuss soloing. A certain game made soloing the 'standard' way to hit level cap. It is an extremely popular game. The problem is that if you solo, you don't learn how to work in a group enviroment. You don't learn how to play a group role. You only know how to kill something before it kills you... which doesn't work when you can't solo the target in question. Now, people want more solo content because they don't want to have to deal with the 'newbs who don't know how to play their class', which half those people are the same newbs. This pushes for more solo content, which again makes the problem worse. I even see this in tabletop games that require a lot of thought, I've had players tell me they hate 4th ed. D&D because its hard. Yeah, its hard because you just want to rush in and kill everything and 4th edition combat requires some thought.
I loved Guild Wars until Nightfall hit... which is interesting since I loved the Paragon. But Nightfall introduced Heroes. NPCs that you could pick their gear and skills. GW had NPC companions before; but, they were never as good as other players could be. Well, Nightfall changed that. And that's when I lost a lot of my love for that game. Also, when Bioware announced companion characters for TOR, I lost complete interest. The second letter in MMO stands for Multi-player... so please quit giving MMOs a solo option... seriously, if you want a solo game... go buy DragonAge or Final Fantasy 13. I'll never understand why people buy MMOs and WANT to solo them. Its the same as watching the 70s Steelers and being upset that they were a tough defensive team that ran the ball A LOT; if you want a heavy passing team, watch Montana's 49ers or the 'Bob and Weave' Rams.
And finally, that leaves us with Internet attitude. My point about it has already been made somewhat. If you don't depend on others, you feel no need to treat them with any amount of respect. Most people are not going to be nice to people if they don't have to be on the Internet because you can't see the person; there has already been enough research done on how differently people act online compared to normally. You can see a lot of attitude in this thread. Someone made the comment: I'll complain until someone produces the exact game I want. Umm... dude, if you want that... go become a game designer. There is nothing wrong with critiquing a game as that's what game developers want. But there is a huge difference between complaining and critiquing. One is negative, the other is an attempt to improve something.
Now that I've gone over why the MMO community isn't as good as it has been, I'm going to address some comments I've seen.
What's wrong with buying a gamepad for your computer? Joysticks on computers predate mice by YEARS... and a gamepad is nothing more than a version of a joystick. And I hate to tell you... FF14 is not a console port to PC. If it was, the PS3 version would be released at the same time as the PC version... and we have no release date right now for the PS3 version as far as I know. I've heard up to a year from now.
I've seen comments about how it doesn't do this or do that. Maybe FF14 wasn't supposed to have this or that. LotRO doesn't have great PvP and even it has survived and done reasonably well. City of Heroes doesn't have tons of end-game content and guess what; its doing pretty well (actually doing better thanks to the mess that was Champions Online). SWG wasn't WoW and then they changed it to be more like WoW, and they lost TONS of their players. Just because it doesn't have this or that or isn't like WoW doesn't mean it isn't a good game.
Frankly, WoW is a good game... but it isn't as good as its fanbois make it out to be. WoW didn't bring anything new to the table (except maybe solo content to level cap, which I've already explained why its bad), it just did what everyone else did, polished it up, and ran with it under a great IP. FF14 is trying to bring some old ideas back:
Crafting vs. loot-driven economy
Group oriented content throughout the entire game instead of just at end-game
Its also trying something new in its armoury system. You have a class, but you aren't limited just by what that class has for skills. You can pull skills from other classes, make your own 'class' in a way. I realize the min/maxers will find the ultimate combos and 'encourage' their use; but, I look forward to just seeing the different ideas people put together for fun.
You do realize that the controls for the PC are STANDARD to what JAPANESE players are accustomed too. Are you suggesting SE change their controls just to cater the NA playerbase? You don't like the controller or don't have one? Tough luck learn a new way of playing with the keyboard only or the keyboard / mouse combo.
It really frustrates me when people refuse to try anything new and always expect controls to be the same for every game.
I don't care, most Japanese will not play this game on a PC, I'm fully aware of that, maybe those few Japanese players who do play on PC's are used to crappy controls, but that doesn't make those controls any less crappier.
Again, I don't care, you release this game to the PC and to a western audience who will not put up with controls this crappy; you put this software on my table and expect me to give beta feedback; and I will say it is crappy because that's what it is.
You and the OP talk about these controls like they are made great just by being 'new'.
First off, they aren't new; they play out like other crappy console ports; examples of which are other games from SE ported to the PC, like "The Last Remnant" or games like "The Force Unleashed".
I don't give a damn whether or not my controls are similar to the controls in another game, I want them to work, and work well.
FFXIV doesn't succeed in this, while a lot of 'WoW clone' games do, even if they're F2P and aren't worth anything for the rest.
Feel free to use my referral link for SW:TOR if you want to test out the game. You'll get some special unlocks!
You do realize that the controls for the PC are STANDARD to what JAPANESE players are accustomed too. Are you suggesting SE change their controls just to cater the NA playerbase? You don't like the controller or don't have one? Tough luck learn a new way of playing with the keyboard only or the keyboard / mouse combo.
It really frustrates me when people refuse to try anything new and always expect controls to be the same for every game.
I don't care, most Japanese will not play this game on a PC, I'm fully aware of that, maybe those few Japanese players who do play on PC's are used to crappy controls, but that doesn't make those controls any less crappier.
Again, I don't care, you release this game to the PC and to a western audience who will not put up with controls this crappy; you put this software on my table and expect me to give beta feedback; and I will say it is crappy because that's what it is.
You and the OP talk about these controls like they are made great just by being 'new'.
First off, they aren't new; they play out like other crappy console ports; examples of which are other games from SE ported to the PC, like "The Last Remnant" or games like "The Force Unleashed".
I don't give a damn whether or not my controls are similar to the controls in another game, I want them to work, and work well.
FFXIV doesn't succeed in this, while a lot of 'WoW clone' games do, even if they're F2P and aren't worth anything for the rest.
I'm from the west and i'll be playing this.
I'll probably buy a controller as well.
Why? Cause I can afford to and all the FF games I've played were using a controller.
Despite what you think, this game is going to do well financially. It will make back the money it took to make it and become profitable within the first year. Possibly sooner.
Honestly, I'm more upset with the number of people who are giving this game a free pass because its 'new', rather than people criticizing it too much.
First off, while the game does present some new features to the MMO genre (mainly guildleves), it's not all that different from FFXI. The class system isn't even new either, it's been done in other FF games, and it's been done in a couple other F2P MMOs as well.
All that aside, the criticisms I hear most about the game (and some of the ones I have myself) have almost nothing to do w/ it being new. In fact, it being a different kind of MMO is what has attracted many of us. It's the poorly implemented features that has us criticising the game, and I don't think any amount of innovation should be justification for a poorly implemented system. After all, WAR's PQs were poorly implemented, as was it's RvR, and while people gavie it a chance because it was different, it was still poorly made. I don't think fans of this game should be so quick to give SE a free pass to their wallets. I think they should want this ggame to be as good as it possibly can. Just saying 'oh it's FF, here take my money!' won't help make the games better, it only shows SE that it can get away with more and more corner-cutting.
- On a side note: In regards to people thinking critics want an 'easy game', again are missing the point of the bulk of the criticism. This game, is far easier, than most MMOs atm. They have removed a lot of the need for group tactics in this game in favor of a more solo / casual friendly game. They have openly stated that they are targetting solo / casuals with this game. FFXI was far more difficult than this game is, and I don't see FFXIV getting as much support as FFXI ever did.
I do want this game to do well, but I don't think SE should be okay with providing poorly optomised controls, graphics, and content this late in the game. Launch is weeks away, and these things take time to be done right.
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God forbid people want to play with their keyboard and mouse on a PC game instead of going to buy a joypad. The nerves of these people, i know!
As opposed to button mashing game?
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
If it came with a free game pad, then that might be alright. But I'm not buying a gamepad for just one game because the developres are too lazy to make the keyboar/mouse controls something more than a shoddy console port.
Is a man not entitled to the herp of his derp?
Remember, I live in a world where juggalos and yugioh players are real things.
Who's stopping you?
Is it because you have to use different keys on a keyboard for this game?
As far as I'm concerned, WASD works perfectly fine.
When you touch a key on your little keyboard.. Does the screen do something? Okay, it does?
So what exactly is the problem then?
Are you too upset that you can't change the keys 100%?
Because the little guy on my screen sure as fuck responds when I use MY keyboard and mouse.
Sure the mouse is a tad slow atm, but that's due to their mouse smoothing which I'm absolutely sure we'll figure out how to turn off, otherwise this shit's easy as fuck.
You do realize that the controls for the PC are STANDARD to what JAPANESE players are accustomed too. Are you suggesting SE change their controls just to cater the NA playerbase? You don't like the controller or don't have one? Tough luck learn a new way of playing with the keyboard only or the keyboard / mouse combo.
It really frustrates me when people refuse to try anything new and always expect controls to be the same for every game.
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I'm using motionyjoy to use my PS3 controller for FFXIV and it works great. Got it up and working in 5 minutes. And in terms if controls... its hard to get a function control scheme that works for both a keyboard/mouse combo and a controller. There aren't many mmos out there that need to be designed for both. Look at Dragon Age (not an mmo but), they had a different control scheme for the PC and console versions. One or the other will suffer, thats just the way it is.
Anyways, I completely agree with the OP. This is why I barely go to MMO forums. How can anyone take someone seriously when they spell system as sistem. Yeah theres control issues for the keyboard users but the whole responsiveness and lag issue? Yeah this must be the first mmo that has ever had lag or responsiveness issues in open beta. Seriously... just shut up -_-
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I'm right handed, I don't use WASD.
I use the arrow keys on the right side of the keyboard and use my mouse with my left hand - that's the correct way to do it. Everyone asks me "Hey are you left handed?" -- because I use my mouse with my left hand. Um no. the mouse was, and has always been a LEFT handed tool. Thus why your NUMPAD exists in the first place, the Keyboard is designed for the right hand.
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That's a bit short sighted isn't it? Lumping everyone into that category when some of us have clearly stated, from having played closed and open beta, more important issues with the game. Like perhaps targeting of mobs and party members, AOE functionality, mob placement, threat mechanics, macros, and poor combat mechanics which leads to no diversity. Some of these can and probably will be alliviated but many seem to be critical gameplay decisions that SE has decided to stick to.
What depth are we talking about besides the obviously beautiful world and crafting? Do any of our actions effect the world? Making basic gameplay mechanics and UI overly complicated does not equate to depth. Artificial barriers does not equate to depth. I'd prefer the dev team spent more time designing fantastically complex and difficult encounters and an in depth political system that effects everything around me with tons of content, than focus so much on beauty.
OP thanks for posting your perspective.
Don't bother to be concerned or "Dissapointed" with MY perspective.
We all have defferent likes and dislikes with MMOs not to mention daily life decisions in general.
Quite irconic. FF XIV is actually amongst the MMO's with the least depth. There's next to nothing to do but grind. That's either crafting or for combat leveling.
SE has repeated MANY times they are keeping the content under wraps until launch comes along, what more do you expect in a Beta? the full fucking game?
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Then use the godamn NUMPAD, it works. :]
No they haven't. They are keeping the full story arc under wraps. The rest is what you see.
Its also the norm for open beta's to be the complete game.
they changed it a bit now
its def not a complate game it never will be
Please, stop with the epeen, not like you're playing a challenging and different game like EVE.
Until someone makes a game 'exactly' like I want, I'll continue to criticize most games.
But not this one, it caters to a certain niche of players who seem to like it despite its faults (if you release a game on a PC it better damn well work great with a mouse/keyboard) and the market needs more variety of games out there.
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i would be perfectly happy playing the game with the way they handled the keyboard and mouse except that i'm left handed so WASD does not work for me
it seems you should be able to change keys - i prefer the arrow keys - but i can't get it to work - or at best i haven't figured out how
Looks like NUMPAD was designed fully functional, also to incorporate the camera.
I'm sure in due time there will be either more dynamic options or we'll find a way to just crack it to our liking. :x
should have added that i have issues with the 2468 number pad
wouldn't think it is that difficult to remap keyboard from their end
anyway, will be trying to use the xbox style gamepad i bought several years ago that was never even removed from its packaging
Just remember change is bad, we should all still be living in mud huts clubbing/trapping squirrels to survive.
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Get used to being upset with the MMO community. Because the 'community' has eroded thanks to the idea of alts, soloing, and Internet attitude. To really be a community, people have to be interdependant with one another. That doesn't happen anymore.
In most games, you have enough alts to be able to craft anything in the game if you are willing to spend the time collecting the materials. And that's if you even need to craft... Most games are loot driven in that you don't need anything crafted. The last game I can remember that was really not loot driven was pre-NGE SWG. You didn't loot that awesome blaster, someone made it for you. Even if you did loot some really good ingrediant, you only had one character on the server and needed someone else to use said ingrediant to make your uber spiffy new toy. And in SWG, that uber spiffy new toy wasn't too much better than the normal stuff. It was better, but not game breaking better. And speaking of breaking, that weapon would eventually break down and need to be replaced... which kept you coming back to the same crafter and looking for those ingrediants. And then you took battle fatigue, and needed the entertainers to remove that.
See, that was a well made game. Combat oriented players needed the crafters to make their toys. Combatants needed the social players (who played entertainer professions) to buff them and reduce battle fatigue. The social players needed the crafting players to make them new outfits (because social players generally like a variety of cloths to wear). And the crafters needed the combatants and entertainers to buy their wares so they could make more items. And since everyone only had ONE character, you couldn't be a jerk (internet attitude) because you'd get denied services.
Next, we'll discuss soloing. A certain game made soloing the 'standard' way to hit level cap. It is an extremely popular game. The problem is that if you solo, you don't learn how to work in a group enviroment. You don't learn how to play a group role. You only know how to kill something before it kills you... which doesn't work when you can't solo the target in question. Now, people want more solo content because they don't want to have to deal with the 'newbs who don't know how to play their class', which half those people are the same newbs. This pushes for more solo content, which again makes the problem worse. I even see this in tabletop games that require a lot of thought, I've had players tell me they hate 4th ed. D&D because its hard. Yeah, its hard because you just want to rush in and kill everything and 4th edition combat requires some thought.
I loved Guild Wars until Nightfall hit... which is interesting since I loved the Paragon. But Nightfall introduced Heroes. NPCs that you could pick their gear and skills. GW had NPC companions before; but, they were never as good as other players could be. Well, Nightfall changed that. And that's when I lost a lot of my love for that game. Also, when Bioware announced companion characters for TOR, I lost complete interest. The second letter in MMO stands for Multi-player... so please quit giving MMOs a solo option... seriously, if you want a solo game... go buy DragonAge or Final Fantasy 13. I'll never understand why people buy MMOs and WANT to solo them. Its the same as watching the 70s Steelers and being upset that they were a tough defensive team that ran the ball A LOT; if you want a heavy passing team, watch Montana's 49ers or the 'Bob and Weave' Rams.
And finally, that leaves us with Internet attitude. My point about it has already been made somewhat. If you don't depend on others, you feel no need to treat them with any amount of respect. Most people are not going to be nice to people if they don't have to be on the Internet because you can't see the person; there has already been enough research done on how differently people act online compared to normally. You can see a lot of attitude in this thread. Someone made the comment: I'll complain until someone produces the exact game I want. Umm... dude, if you want that... go become a game designer. There is nothing wrong with critiquing a game as that's what game developers want. But there is a huge difference between complaining and critiquing. One is negative, the other is an attempt to improve something.
Now that I've gone over why the MMO community isn't as good as it has been, I'm going to address some comments I've seen.
What's wrong with buying a gamepad for your computer? Joysticks on computers predate mice by YEARS... and a gamepad is nothing more than a version of a joystick. And I hate to tell you... FF14 is not a console port to PC. If it was, the PS3 version would be released at the same time as the PC version... and we have no release date right now for the PS3 version as far as I know. I've heard up to a year from now.
I've seen comments about how it doesn't do this or do that. Maybe FF14 wasn't supposed to have this or that. LotRO doesn't have great PvP and even it has survived and done reasonably well. City of Heroes doesn't have tons of end-game content and guess what; its doing pretty well (actually doing better thanks to the mess that was Champions Online). SWG wasn't WoW and then they changed it to be more like WoW, and they lost TONS of their players. Just because it doesn't have this or that or isn't like WoW doesn't mean it isn't a good game.
Frankly, WoW is a good game... but it isn't as good as its fanbois make it out to be. WoW didn't bring anything new to the table (except maybe solo content to level cap, which I've already explained why its bad), it just did what everyone else did, polished it up, and ran with it under a great IP. FF14 is trying to bring some old ideas back:
Crafting vs. loot-driven economy
Group oriented content throughout the entire game instead of just at end-game
Its also trying something new in its armoury system. You have a class, but you aren't limited just by what that class has for skills. You can pull skills from other classes, make your own 'class' in a way. I realize the min/maxers will find the ultimate combos and 'encourage' their use; but, I look forward to just seeing the different ideas people put together for fun.
The federal tax rate would be 99% by now if ppl didnt complain.
I don't care, most Japanese will not play this game on a PC, I'm fully aware of that, maybe those few Japanese players who do play on PC's are used to crappy controls, but that doesn't make those controls any less crappier.
Again, I don't care, you release this game to the PC and to a western audience who will not put up with controls this crappy; you put this software on my table and expect me to give beta feedback; and I will say it is crappy because that's what it is.
You and the OP talk about these controls like they are made great just by being 'new'.
First off, they aren't new; they play out like other crappy console ports; examples of which are other games from SE ported to the PC, like "The Last Remnant" or games like "The Force Unleashed".
I don't give a damn whether or not my controls are similar to the controls in another game, I want them to work, and work well.
FFXIV doesn't succeed in this, while a lot of 'WoW clone' games do, even if they're F2P and aren't worth anything for the rest.
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I'm from the west and i'll be playing this.
I'll probably buy a controller as well.
Why? Cause I can afford to and all the FF games I've played were using a controller.
Despite what you think, this game is going to do well financially. It will make back the money it took to make it and become profitable within the first year. Possibly sooner.
Honestly, I'm more upset with the number of people who are giving this game a free pass because its 'new', rather than people criticizing it too much.
First off, while the game does present some new features to the MMO genre (mainly guildleves), it's not all that different from FFXI. The class system isn't even new either, it's been done in other FF games, and it's been done in a couple other F2P MMOs as well.
All that aside, the criticisms I hear most about the game (and some of the ones I have myself) have almost nothing to do w/ it being new. In fact, it being a different kind of MMO is what has attracted many of us. It's the poorly implemented features that has us criticising the game, and I don't think any amount of innovation should be justification for a poorly implemented system. After all, WAR's PQs were poorly implemented, as was it's RvR, and while people gavie it a chance because it was different, it was still poorly made. I don't think fans of this game should be so quick to give SE a free pass to their wallets. I think they should want this ggame to be as good as it possibly can. Just saying 'oh it's FF, here take my money!' won't help make the games better, it only shows SE that it can get away with more and more corner-cutting.
- On a side note: In regards to people thinking critics want an 'easy game', again are missing the point of the bulk of the criticism. This game, is far easier, than most MMOs atm. They have removed a lot of the need for group tactics in this game in favor of a more solo / casual friendly game. They have openly stated that they are targetting solo / casuals with this game. FFXI was far more difficult than this game is, and I don't see FFXIV getting as much support as FFXI ever did.
I do want this game to do well, but I don't think SE should be okay with providing poorly optomised controls, graphics, and content this late in the game. Launch is weeks away, and these things take time to be done right.