Look at 2003. That is due to the merger between Square and Enix.
Now fast foward to 2010. Look at the price per share, compare price per share to 2003. It is LOWER than that of what Squaresoft was worth prior to merging with Enix.
Generally speaking, people dump investments in when a large product is coming out that the product think will succeed. Hell, I dumped a large sum of money into Activision Blizzard right before SC2 came out (it wasn't for SC2, it's the timing pre-Q4 for Black Ops, Cataclysm, and .... well, it's Christmas lol).
FFXIV gonna do well huh? lol
EDIT: Incase anyone asks for a comparssion to another company's history: the only one I'm aware of that is public is Activision Blizzard. Comparing FFXIV to WoW is just not far in anyway shape of form because SE developers clearly can't develop games for PCs and their RPG skills are slipping as well.
The reason why other companies aren't viewable is simply because they are part of a larger company. There are too many factors to why a stock price goes up and down if you were to do SoE because it's part of Sony. Same goes for other companies such as Cryptic.
EDITEDIT: Damn, the amount of replies in this that exhibit lack of understanding for economics or how to run a business explains why so many people die in debt.
You know what makes me laugh at your statement? The fact that the same thing was said about FFXI and it is still doing well. Much better than SWG, RF Online, Tabula Rasa, Auto Assault, Sadowbane, and Horizons Online. FFXIV is going to do well because there are more fans for the Final Fantasy Series than ANY other Computer Game and Console game series out right now.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
Now fast foward to 2010. Look at the price per share, compare price per share to 2003. It is LOWER than that of what Squaresoft was worth prior to merging with Enix.
Welcome to the recession. I didn't know people stayed isolated in their rooms playing MMORPGs long enough to realize that the economy is in a bad position right now. You can't justify that a game will fail based on "price per share". I think I enjoyed the troll threads talking about the game mechanics more than this one. At least they had a good basis for their reason for disliking the game. Your "price per share" philosophy states that a company with a lot of money will make successful games. Look at EA, they destroy good franchises by taking them over, but they still have more dough to spare because of their successful and syndicated (update roster and add a new feature to the already dry career mode) sports games. Finances only go so far with a company, but they don't determine the overall success of an MMORPG.
Whoever the OP is I kind of sighed after I read his post because i looked at it seriously. Looking at a stock to determine if a game will be a success or not is just plain dumb. I am not going to go into all the bs with yah but basically with mmos success vs fail only have to do with if there are enough subs to keep the game going ie cover developement cost salaries maint. cost, etc etc etc and cut a decent profit. You generally wont see any solid indications of this for 3-4 months after release. Even then getting good numbers can be an issue listening in to the conference calls at the end of the quarter can give you a hint as to how well the game is doing but in the long run the best way to figure out if the game is a hit is to see if its still running. As long as the servers are up the game has an audience and thats all that matters. As for SE if you look from the IPO to now they look pretty stable.
I love "Why this game will fail..." threads, they're always so enlightening. /sarcasm
If you don't like the game, go find a different one to play and stop making thread after thread about the same crap day after day. It's getting old.
We know. You don't like the game. Guess what? Some of us do. Guess what else? We don't care that you don't like the game. I know it's hard for you to accept that the world does not revolve around your opinion, but unfortunately thats just the way the world works.
SE 21.05 a share on the OTC US. Activision Blizzard 11.35 on the nasdaq a share.SE 1817 on jp market per share. converted for exchange is 21.81 a share US. op arguement is weak at best.
SE 21.05 a share on the OTC US. Activision Blizzard 11.35 on the nasdaq a share.SE 1817 on jp market per share. converted for exchange is 21.81 a share US. op arguement is weak at best.
One would have to research profit/earnings to make a comparison as well as how many shares each company has.
ie, if Activision has 3 times as many shares then SE shares would just be more diluted then Activision. Speculation, market conditions, dividends, (tons of things) create the demand which determines current price per share.
If you compare a straight price/share then according to your example my company does better then Apple (AAPL 269.69) which I'm pretty sure it doesn't =p
Wait, so you are comparing price per share for this company with 7 years ago? Did you happen to forget about a little economic downturn that has effected the all the major industrialized economies in the world in the last two years? Did you think that an essentially flat GDP to Debt ratio here in the US wouldn't have any impact on a gaming company?
Besides, you don't judge the game directly off of the current performance of the company. How can a game that hasn't been delivered have an effect on share prices. Maybe, just maybe they are hoping that this game will help their share prices go up, you know, once they start selling boxes and subscriptions.
Hey guys, I just had this totally cool class at school, and now I know everything there is to know about finance! I didn't pay attention, really, but it was something with sticks or stocks or something. Lemme just google it and... yes... yeah, that's gotta be how it works.
*ahem*
Ladies and gentlemen of the MMORPG gaming forum. Allow me to explain to you the finer points of something I do not myself understand. I want you desperately to reply, because the whole point of this post is to give me and my withering ego a boost. I have my reality-filter in place and activated, so just say something, ANYTHING about me. I'll distort it into something that makes me feel good about myself. Think I'm a loser? You're just jealous. Think I'm wrong? You just don't understand the topic at hand. You can't say anything about me or my argument that I can't translate into reinforcement for my massive delusion.
OK, guys, please reply now, I really need some attention.
Looks like everything worked out the way you planned! Good for you, buddy.
This makes me laugh so much, good job sir, good job.
Hey guys, I just had this totally cool class at school, and now I know everything there is to know about finance! I didn't pay attention, really, but it was something with sticks or stocks or something. Lemme just google it and... yes... yeah, that's gotta be how it works.
*ahem*
Ladies and gentlemen of the MMORPG gaming forum. Allow me to explain to you the finer points of something I do not myself understand. I want you desperately to reply, because the whole point of this post is to give me and my withering ego a boost. I have my reality-filter in place and activated, so just say something, ANYTHING about me. I'll distort it into something that makes me feel good about myself. Think I'm a loser? You're just jealous. Think I'm wrong? You just don't understand the topic at hand. You can't say anything about me or my argument that I can't translate into reinforcement for my massive delusion.
OK, guys, please reply now, I really need some attention.
Looks like everything worked out the way you planned! Good for you, buddy.
Here we go with the armchair financial analysts telling us why a game they don't like will fail.
OP: Here's a tip, Sparky... 99% of the people who will or might play FFXIV either aren't aware of, or don't give half a shit about, Square-Enix financial performance.
Well...the economy is down everywhere and stock prices are down for most all companies. To use stock prices between 2003 and now to gauge a company's product value or market share isn't fair and makes no sense.
I think it's the other way around. SE seems to be the only company that can make a good mmo where we can play with our friends that have consoles. So we gotta deal with a funky UI, but it's so worth it once you get used to it. Of all the mmo's I've played it's SE that runs their game the best.
This game WILL fail for many, which you are one, but the game will release and be around for many years to come. I'm sure SE won't consider it a fail... they already realize everyone won't like it...and sometimes it's the naysayers that scream the loudest...they don't call it the silent majority for nothing. ^^
~Ziggy~
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181,000 PC North America prorders as of September 11, 2010. That's after all the "this game sucks" threads, and before the recent press release by SE about all the changes for release. This doesn't include PS3 preorders, PC/PS3 preorders in Europer or in Japan. Not bad at all if you ask me. Especially when this game is NOT even designed for the western market. And yes, there are plenty of FF fans in north america who love this game.
This game will never have wow numbers but it will be around for years and years with at least 500-700k subscribers. That's a success any way you slice it, and especially financially.
Here we go with the armchair financial analysts telling us why a game they don't like will fail.
OP: Here's a tip, Sparky... 99% of the people who will or might play FFXIV either aren't aware of, or don't give half a shit about, Square-Enix financial performance.
What's funny is 99% of the people who will or might buy Square Enix stock don't give half a shit about FFXIV. Game companies get generally either undervalued or overvalued based on hype, It has nothing to do with real world preformance or quality. It's because stock analysts (the ones who accually buy stock vs people like the OP) generally don't understand the game market.
It’s why I steer well clear of game companies stock. I have seen too many times where a game company has had its stock punished because a hit wasn't big enough to satisfy the analyst.
181,000 PC North America prorders as of September 11, 2010. That's after all the "this game sucks" threads, and before the recent press release by SE about all the changes for release. This doesn't include PS3 preorders, PC/PS3 preorders in Europer or in Japan. Not bad at all if you ask me. Especially when this game is even designed for the western market. And yes, there are plenty of FF fans in north america who love this game.
This game will never have wow numbers but it will be around for years and years with at least 500-700k subscribers. That's a success any way you slice it, and especially financially.
181,000 PC North America prorders as of September 11, 2010. That's after all the "this game sucks" threads, and before the recent press release by SE about all the changes for release. This doesn't include PS3 preorders, PC/PS3 preorders in Europer or in Japan. Not bad at all if you ask me. Especially when this game is even designed for the western market. And yes, there are plenty of FF fans in north america who love this game.
This game will never have wow numbers but it will be around for years and years with at least 500-700k subscribers. That's a success any way you slice it, and especially financially.
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You know what makes me laugh at your statement? The fact that the same thing was said about FFXI and it is still doing well. Much better than SWG, RF Online, Tabula Rasa, Auto Assault, Sadowbane, and Horizons Online. FFXIV is going to do well because there are more fans for the Final Fantasy Series than ANY other Computer Game and Console game series out right now.
"Possibly we humans can exist without actually having to fight. But many of us have chosen to fight. For what reason? To protect something? Protect what? Ourselves? The future? If we kill people to protect ourselves and this future, then what sort of future is it, and what will we have become? There is no future for those who have died. And what of those who did the killing? Is happiness to be found in a future that is grasped with blood stained hands? Is that the truth?"
Fail thread is full of failure.
Yeah, so...so there! Wait...what now? He hate..hates any one hates..wha..
Word salad FTL.
Couldn't agree more. Can someone lock this thread?
Welcome to the recession. I didn't know people stayed isolated in their rooms playing MMORPGs long enough to realize that the economy is in a bad position right now. You can't justify that a game will fail based on "price per share". I think I enjoyed the troll threads talking about the game mechanics more than this one. At least they had a good basis for their reason for disliking the game. Your "price per share" philosophy states that a company with a lot of money will make successful games. Look at EA, they destroy good franchises by taking them over, but they still have more dough to spare because of their successful and syndicated (update roster and add a new feature to the already dry career mode) sports games. Finances only go so far with a company, but they don't determine the overall success of an MMORPG.
Whoever the OP is I kind of sighed after I read his post because i looked at it seriously. Looking at a stock to determine if a game will be a success or not is just plain dumb. I am not going to go into all the bs with yah but basically with mmos success vs fail only have to do with if there are enough subs to keep the game going ie cover developement cost salaries maint. cost, etc etc etc and cut a decent profit. You generally wont see any solid indications of this for 3-4 months after release. Even then getting good numbers can be an issue listening in to the conference calls at the end of the quarter can give you a hint as to how well the game is doing but in the long run the best way to figure out if the game is a hit is to see if its still running. As long as the servers are up the game has an audience and thats all that matters. As for SE if you look from the IPO to now they look pretty stable.
Does SquareEnix make a profit year afterr year? Yes. End of discussion
I love "Why this game will fail..." threads, they're always so enlightening. /sarcasm
If you don't like the game, go find a different one to play and stop making thread after thread about the same crap day after day. It's getting old.
We know. You don't like the game. Guess what? Some of us do. Guess what else? We don't care that you don't like the game. I know it's hard for you to accept that the world does not revolve around your opinion, but unfortunately thats just the way the world works.
Yawn.
One would have to research profit/earnings to make a comparison as well as how many shares each company has.
ie, if Activision has 3 times as many shares then SE shares would just be more diluted then Activision. Speculation, market conditions, dividends, (tons of things) create the demand which determines current price per share.
If you compare a straight price/share then according to your example my company does better then Apple (AAPL 269.69) which I'm pretty sure it doesn't =p
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Wait, so you are comparing price per share for this company with 7 years ago? Did you happen to forget about a little economic downturn that has effected the all the major industrialized economies in the world in the last two years? Did you think that an essentially flat GDP to Debt ratio here in the US wouldn't have any impact on a gaming company?
Besides, you don't judge the game directly off of the current performance of the company. How can a game that hasn't been delivered have an effect on share prices. Maybe, just maybe they are hoping that this game will help their share prices go up, you know, once they start selling boxes and subscriptions.
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This makes me laugh so much, good job sir, good job.
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Here we go with the armchair financial analysts telling us why a game they don't like will fail.
OP: Here's a tip, Sparky... 99% of the people who will or might play FFXIV either aren't aware of, or don't give half a shit about, Square-Enix financial performance.
Well...the economy is down everywhere and stock prices are down for most all companies. To use stock prices between 2003 and now to gauge a company's product value or market share isn't fair and makes no sense.
I think it's the other way around. SE seems to be the only company that can make a good mmo where we can play with our friends that have consoles. So we gotta deal with a funky UI, but it's so worth it once you get used to it. Of all the mmo's I've played it's SE that runs their game the best.
This game WILL fail for many, which you are one, but the game will release and be around for many years to come. I'm sure SE won't consider it a fail... they already realize everyone won't like it...and sometimes it's the naysayers that scream the loudest...they don't call it the silent majority for nothing. ^^
~Ziggy~
If a man speaks in the woods and there's no woman there to hear him...is he still lying?
181,000 PC North America prorders as of September 11, 2010. That's after all the "this game sucks" threads, and before the recent press release by SE about all the changes for release. This doesn't include PS3 preorders, PC/PS3 preorders in Europer or in Japan. Not bad at all if you ask me. Especially when this game is NOT even designed for the western market. And yes, there are plenty of FF fans in north america who love this game.
This game will never have wow numbers but it will be around for years and years with at least 500-700k subscribers. That's a success any way you slice it, and especially financially.
Edit: Source http://www.vgchartz.com/preorders.php?date=40433
Edit 2: Meant to say the game IS NOT DESIGNED for western market.... I accidently said the opposite in original reply.
What's funny is 99% of the people who will or might buy Square Enix stock don't give half a shit about FFXIV. Game companies get generally either undervalued or overvalued based on hype, It has nothing to do with real world preformance or quality. It's because stock analysts (the ones who accually buy stock vs people like the OP) generally don't understand the game market.
It’s why I steer well clear of game companies stock. I have seen too many times where a game company has had its stock punished because a hit wasn't big enough to satisfy the analyst.
the only fail in theme are like these troll
come on, 16 years old are ph in economy????
you demostrated that you are wow lover and have mind close
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