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The UI is horrendous

YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593

I downloaded the beta and then tried playing the game. After five minutes of trying to figure out how to set 1920x1200 fullscreen and how get out of the first instance I closed down the game.

Sure I could look on the net how you interact with objects etc but really, such things should be intuitive and I should not need to check on internet how to perform basic settings and tasks.

This game, its UI anyway, is a big FAIL.

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  • pmcubedpmcubed Member Posts: 289

    Get ready for some responses on how you didn't take enough time and how that makes you a total noob and perhaps even how you should go back to WoW.

    UI is not VERY intuitive - I could understand it all, but having to push 10 keystrokes to navigate simple menu's was pretty lame in all honesty

  • toddzetoddze Member UncommonPosts: 2,150

    were the past 50,000 threads over the UI not enough, did we really need another? We get the point the keyboard/mouse UI is less than desirable, You got 3 options; play with a gamepad, learn how to adapt and play with K/M, or move on. Choice is yours FFXIV will do just fine with you or without you.

    Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
    Now Playing: N/A
    Worst MMO: FFXIV
    Favorite MMO: FFXI

  • choujiofkonochoujiofkono Member Posts: 852

         The UI is like driving a hot butterknife into the back of your brain through your eyesocket.  It's certainly possible to do but it would be suicide and not be very pleasant. 

         That is another FF14 blunder that I'm not sure why someone who really gave a crap about their PC audience would do......................  wait.  -_-

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  • SeffrenSeffren Member Posts: 743

    Originally posted by toddze

    were the past 50,000 threads over the UI not enough, did we really need another? We get the point the keyboard/mouse UI is less than desirable, You got 3 options; play with a gamepad, learn how to adapt and play with K/M, or move on. Choice is yours FFXIV will do just fine with you or without you.

    50.000 threads on the ui? Holy crap, there really must be something wrong then! 

  • ShiymmasShiymmas Member UncommonPosts: 587

    Originally posted by toddze

    were the past 50,000 threads over the UI not enough, did we really need another? We get the point the keyboard/mouse UI is less than desirable, You got 3 options; play with a gamepad, learn how to adapt and play with K/M, or move on. Choice is yours FFXIV will do just fine with you or without you.

    Just to "research" before I replied, I went 4 pages into this forum and didn't see a topic with a title conveying the same point as the OP is trying to make.  Just because it's an oft-repeated issue doesn't mean there are "50,000 threads" on the subject, and not everyone watches the FFXIV boards constantly (I'm not even saying you do) so someone just getting around here might not know what all gets discussed.  To respond in kind; cowering in a corner, covering your ears tightly with your palms, and saying "go away go away!" won't help, and isn't constructive.  If someone wants to discuss the game's flaws, that's their right.  It's your right to ignore them and enjoy yourself, or at least offer a rebuttle/attempt to change the OP's mind.

     

    As for the subject... the UI is pretty atrocious.  I adjusted to and eventually enjoyed FFXI's UI, but I'm in awe of how they actually managed to make this one worse.

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    Oscar Wilde

  • aleosaleos Member UncommonPosts: 1,943

    submit it in a bug report then.

  • FortencFortenc Member Posts: 427

    Originally posted by choujiofkono

         The UI is like driving a hot butterknife into the back of your brain through your eyesocket.  It's certainly possible to do but it would be suicide and not be very pleasant. 

         That is another FF14 blunder that I'm not sure why someone who really gave a crap about their PC audience would do......................  wait.  -_-

    And the troll in the ruse human-skin cloak abandons his disguise to speak before donning it once more and moving on to what could only be a serious, mature discussion.

    Objectivity is delivered with a lack of personality made for the mainstream but never used for the mainstream.

  • toddzetoddze Member UncommonPosts: 2,150

    Originally posted by Seffren

    Originally posted by toddze

    were the past 50,000 threads over the UI not enough, did we really need another? We get the point the keyboard/mouse UI is less than desirable, You got 3 options; play with a gamepad, learn how to adapt and play with K/M, or move on. Choice is yours FFXIV will do just fine with you or without you.

    50.000 threads on the ui? Holy crap, there really must be something wrong then! 

    Yes like i said its less than desirable, especially for the typical mmo'er, and you have your 3 choices that I already listed. Pick one. 

    Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
    Now Playing: N/A
    Worst MMO: FFXIV
    Favorite MMO: FFXI

  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593

    Originally posted by pmcubed

    Get ready for some responses on how you didn't take enough time and how that makes you a total noob and perhaps even how you should go back to WoW.

    UI is not VERY intuitive - I could understand it all, but having to push 10 keystrokes to navigate simple menu's was pretty lame in all honesty

    WoW? Haven't played that in years. However I will go back to Dragon Age Origins because it has superior gfx, UI, storyline (I assume), character development and awesome combat.

    It is not an MMORPG yes but things like UI and gfx performance should not be genre dependant. This game is just a bust... it may have some strong points but if the UI is so bad and the gfx performance so crappy that who would bother to experience those?

  • YamotaYamota Member UncommonPosts: 6,593

    Originally posted by toddze

    Originally posted by Seffren


    Originally posted by toddze

    were the past 50,000 threads over the UI not enough, did we really need another? We get the point the keyboard/mouse UI is less than desirable, You got 3 options; play with a gamepad, learn how to adapt and play with K/M, or move on. Choice is yours FFXIV will do just fine with you or without you.

    50.000 threads on the ui? Holy crap, there really must be something wrong then! 

    Yes like i said its less than desirable, especially for the typical mmo'er, and you have your 3 choices that I already listed. Pick one. 

    Picking the last one, atleast until they fix the UI.

  • SeffrenSeffren Member Posts: 743

    Originally posted by toddze

    Originally posted by Seffren


    Originally posted by toddze

    were the past 50,000 threads over the UI not enough, did we really need another? We get the point the keyboard/mouse UI is less than desirable, You got 3 options; play with a gamepad, learn how to adapt and play with K/M, or move on. Choice is yours FFXIV will do just fine with you or without you.

    50.000 threads on the ui? Holy crap, there really must be something wrong then! 

    Yes like i said its less than desirable, especially for the typical mmo'er, and you have your 3 choices that I already listed. Pick one. 

    Hmmm, and who are you again to give me orders ... 

    That's right, nobody!

    So I think I just do as I please and make my own choices.

  • toddzetoddze Member UncommonPosts: 2,150

    Originally posted by Yamota

    Originally posted by toddze


    Originally posted by Seffren


    Originally posted by toddze

    were the past 50,000 threads over the UI not enough, did we really need another? We get the point the keyboard/mouse UI is less than desirable, You got 3 options; play with a gamepad, learn how to adapt and play with K/M, or move on. Choice is yours FFXIV will do just fine with you or without you.

    50.000 threads on the ui? Holy crap, there really must be something wrong then! 

    Yes like i said its less than desirable, especially for the typical mmo'er, and you have your 3 choices that I already listed. Pick one. 

    Picking the last one, atleast until they fix the UI.

    Cool, but I dont see them changing the UI for PC at all. I may be wrong. So Good luck to you in finding a game you can enjoy.

    Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
    Now Playing: N/A
    Worst MMO: FFXIV
    Favorite MMO: FFXI

  • paterahpaterah Member UncommonPosts: 578

    Originally posted by pmcubed

    Get ready for some responses on how you didn't take enough time and how that makes you a total noob and perhaps even how you should go back to WoW.

    UI is not VERY intuitive - I could understand it all, but having to push 10 keystrokes to navigate simple menu's was pretty lame in all honesty

     It's "hardcore"image

  • geldonyetichgeldonyetich Member Posts: 1,340
    Originally posted by Yamota

    I downloaded the beta and then tried playing the game. After five minutes of trying to figure out how to set 1920x1200 fullscreen and how get out of the first instance I closed down the game.
    [...]
    This game, its UI anyway, is a big FAIL.

    Get back to us after you've tried the game out for 5 hours instead of 5 minutes, you slacker. This isn't one of those panzy games that are designed for ages 6 and up, you might actually have to use a macro at some point.

    Graphical setting adjustments are done in the windows program menu, look for the program marked Final Fantasy XIV Beta Config on our start menu. Recommended settings are here: http://www.finalfantasyxiv.com/media/recom/na/pc.html.

    If you still can't figure it out, bad news: you failed the Final Fantasy XIV entrance exam. Better cancel that pre-order while there's still time.

    Me, I'm plenty used to the GUI, but I'm not afraid to point out that there are places where it drags painfully, some kind of GUI lag, such as when placing items in my crafting interface or scrolling down the list to sell something. Crossing my fingers they fix that soon.

  • toddzetoddze Member UncommonPosts: 2,150

    Originally posted by Seffren

    Originally posted by toddze


    Originally posted by Seffren


    Originally posted by toddze

    were the past 50,000 threads over the UI not enough, did we really need another? We get the point the keyboard/mouse UI is less than desirable, You got 3 options; play with a gamepad, learn how to adapt and play with K/M, or move on. Choice is yours FFXIV will do just fine with you or without you.

    50.000 threads on the ui? Holy crap, there really must be something wrong then! 

    Yes like i said its less than desirable, especially for the typical mmo'er, and you have your 3 choices that I already listed. Pick one. 

    Hmmm, and who are you again to give me orders ... 

    That's right, nobody!

    So I think I just do as I please and make my own choices.

    I didnt tell you which one to pick.

    So I guess your just going to troll for the sake of trolling? Good luck in your crusade, FFXIV will be just fine regaurdless of your insignificant trolling on a site that represents less than 5% of the MMO community as a whole.  So carry on.

    Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
    Now Playing: N/A
    Worst MMO: FFXIV
    Favorite MMO: FFXI

  • paterahpaterah Member UncommonPosts: 578

    Originally posted by toddze

    Originally posted by Seffren

    Originally posted by toddze

    Originally posted by Seffren

    Originally posted by toddze

    were the past 50,000 threads over the UI not enough, did we really need another? We get the point the keyboard/mouse UI is less than desirable, You got 3 options; play with a gamepad, learn how to adapt and play with K/M, or move on. Choice is yours FFXIV will do just fine with you or without you.

    50.000 threads on the ui? Holy crap, there really must be something wrong then! 

    Yes like i said its less than desirable, especially for the typical mmo'er, and you have your 3 choices that I already listed. Pick one. 

    Hmmm, and who are you again to give me orders ... 

    That's right, nobody!

    So I think I just do as I please and make my own choices.

    I didnt tell you which one to pick.

    So I guess your just going to troll for the sake of trolling? Good luck in your crusade, FFXIV will be just fine regaurdless of your insignificant trolling on a site that represents less than 5% of the MMO community as a whole.  So carry on.

     If it's going to be fine then why do you worry so much about all the bad UI threads that rise up? This problem deserves much more than a simple thread.

  • SeffrenSeffren Member Posts: 743

    Originally posted by toddze

    Originally posted by Seffren


    Originally posted by toddze


    Originally posted by Seffren


    Originally posted by toddze

    were the past 50,000 threads over the UI not enough, did we really need another? We get the point the keyboard/mouse UI is less than desirable, You got 3 options; play with a gamepad, learn how to adapt and play with K/M, or move on. Choice is yours FFXIV will do just fine with you or without you.

    50.000 threads on the ui? Holy crap, there really must be something wrong then! 

    Yes like i said its less than desirable, especially for the typical mmo'er, and you have your 3 choices that I already listed. Pick one. 

    Hmmm, and who are you again to give me orders ... 

    That's right, nobody!

    So I think I just do as I please and make my own choices.

    I didnt tell you which one to pick.

    So I guess your just going to troll for the sake of trolling? Good luck in your crusade, FFXIV will be just fine regaurdless of your insignificant trolling on a site that represents less than 5% of the MMO community as a whole.  So carry on.

    Funny how every bit of negative feedback is regarded as trolling in the eyes of ff fanboys.

    Even sarcasm or irony seems to get you peoples panties in a twist so fast its hilarious. 

    Like somebody said in this thread, get some thought out replies in, don't start with the uber childish and worn out remarks like "you're not hardcore enough", "go back to wow", etc ... it's getting really pathetic.

    Am I getting on your case now? Yes, because you make it easy for me to do so.

    Next time use your brains, put out a well constructed post contradicting FF criticism or ... move on.

    You have your choices ... pick one.

  • choujiofkonochoujiofkono Member Posts: 852

    Originally posted by toddze

    Originally posted by Seffren


    Originally posted by toddze


    Originally posted by Seffren


    Originally posted by toddze

    I didnt tell you which one to pick.

    So I guess your just going to troll for the sake of trolling? Good luck in your crusade, FFXIV will be just fine regaurdless of your insignificant trolling on a site that represents less than 5% of the MMO community as a whole.  So carry on.

         AAAAnnnd..  back to throwing base insults instead of supplying intelligent responses.  Par for the course.

        

         How do  you know how much of the MMO communtiy as a whole represents?  That is an awesome superpower!

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  • ShiymmasShiymmas Member UncommonPosts: 587

    Originally posted by Seffren

    Originally posted by toddze


    Originally posted by Seffren


    Originally posted by toddze


    Originally posted by Seffren


    Originally posted by toddze

    were the past 50,000 threads over the UI not enough, did we really need another? We get the point the keyboard/mouse UI is less than desirable, You got 3 options; play with a gamepad, learn how to adapt and play with K/M, or move on. Choice is yours FFXIV will do just fine with you or without you.

    50.000 threads on the ui? Holy crap, there really must be something wrong then! 

    Yes like i said its less than desirable, especially for the typical mmo'er, and you have your 3 choices that I already listed. Pick one. 

    Hmmm, and who are you again to give me orders ... 

    That's right, nobody!

    So I think I just do as I please and make my own choices.

    I didnt tell you which one to pick.

    So I guess your just going to troll for the sake of trolling? Good luck in your crusade, FFXIV will be just fine regaurdless of your insignificant trolling on a site that represents less than 5% of the MMO community as a whole.  So carry on.

    Funny how every bit of negative feedback is regarded as trolling in the eyes of ff fanboys.

    Even sarcasm or irony seems to get you peoples panties in a twist so fast its hilarious. 

    Like somebody said in this thread, get some thought out replies in, don't start with the uber childish and worn out remarks like "you're not hardcore enough", "go back to wow", etc ... it's getting really pathetic.

    Am I getting on your case now? Yes, because you make it easy for me to do so.

    Next time use your brains, put out a well constructed post contradicting FF criticism or ... move on.

    You have your choices ... pick one.

    I wouldn't worry about him too much...

     

    It's like they say; repeat the same thing enough times and you'll start to believe it.  I think he's still working on his quota.

    "The power of accurate observation is commonly called cynicism by those who have not got it."
    George Bernard Shaw


    “What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.”
    Oscar Wilde

  • toddzetoddze Member UncommonPosts: 2,150

    Originally posted by Seffren

     

    Funny how every bit of negative feedback is regarded as trolling in the eyes of ff fanboys.

    Even sarcasm or irony seems to get you peoples panties in a twist so fast its hilarious. 

    Like somebody said in this thread, get some thought out replies in, don't start with the uber childish and worn out remarks like "you're not hardcore enough", "go back to wow", etc ... it's getting really pathetic.

    Am I getting on your case now? Yes, because you make it easy for me to do so.

    Next time use your brains, put out a well constructed post contradicting FF criticism or ... move on.

    You have your choices ... pick one.

    when did i say any of that, Im just telling you how it is. Adjust to the k/m, play with a gamepad, or move on. I guess you could write SE a letter, or send them an email, but debating it on this site will get us no where. It has been brought to SE's attention before and its obvious that they gave us all the good ole middle finger. You think I like the PC UI? No I dont. But I have the same options as you, and I have picked, I chose to play with a gamepad. Obviously you have chosen to waste time "discussing" a topic on a worthless forum that will net nothing but dung flinging. so congrats, remind me again who needs to use their brain?

    Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
    Now Playing: N/A
    Worst MMO: FFXIV
    Favorite MMO: FFXI

  • SeffrenSeffren Member Posts: 743

    Originally posted by toddze

    Originally posted by Seffren


     

    Funny how every bit of negative feedback is regarded as trolling in the eyes of ff fanboys.

    Even sarcasm or irony seems to get you peoples panties in a twist so fast its hilarious. 

    Like somebody said in this thread, get some thought out replies in, don't start with the uber childish and worn out remarks like "you're not hardcore enough", "go back to wow", etc ... it's getting really pathetic.

    Am I getting on your case now? Yes, because you make it easy for me to do so.

    Next time use your brains, put out a well constructed post contradicting FF criticism or ... move on.

    You have your choices ... pick one.

    when did i say any of that, Im just telling you how it is. Adjust to the k/m, play with a gamepad, or move on. I guess you could write SE a letter, or send them an email, but debating it on this site will get us no where. It has been brought to SE's attention before and its obvious that they gave us all the good ole middle finger. You think I like the PC UI? No I dont. But I have the same options as you, and I have picked, I chose to play with a gamepad. Obviously you have chosen to waste time "discussing" a topic on a worthless forum that will net nothing but dung flinging. so congrats, remind me again who needs to use their brain?

    And yet you are here ... waisting your time discussing with me.

  • ShiymmasShiymmas Member UncommonPosts: 587

    Originally posted by toddze

    Originally posted by Seffren


     

    Funny how every bit of negative feedback is regarded as trolling in the eyes of ff fanboys.

    Even sarcasm or irony seems to get you peoples panties in a twist so fast its hilarious. 

    Like somebody said in this thread, get some thought out replies in, don't start with the uber childish and worn out remarks like "you're not hardcore enough", "go back to wow", etc ... it's getting really pathetic.

    Am I getting on your case now? Yes, because you make it easy for me to do so.

    Next time use your brains, put out a well constructed post contradicting FF criticism or ... move on.

    You have your choices ... pick one.

    when did i say any of that, Im just telling you how it is. Adjust to the k/m, play with a gamepad, or move on. I guess you could write SE a letter, or send them an email, but debating it on this site will get us no where. It has been brought to SE's attention before and its obvious that they gave us all the good ole middle finger. You think I like the PC UI? No I dont. But I have the same options as you, and I have picked, I chose to play with a gamepad. Obviously you have chosen to waste time "discussing" a topic on a worthless forum that will net nothing but dung flinging. so congrats, remind me again who needs to use their brain?

    A: You're the one that took a dump in their hand and slung it in the first place.

    B: There's been no debate.  You even now agree and state your position in a much better (albeit still offensive) way.  If folks want to discuss the issue, or bring it to the attention of others that are unaware, then let them.  If that bothers you so much, don't click on the topic only to get yourself riled up.

    C: Sure a minority of the gaming community at large visits this forum/website.  That said, there's nearly 1250 people online (guests + members) at a very off-peak time for NA - likely its largest audience.  Word of mouth, and passers-through hunting info on this or that count up to a far larger number than you're giving credit to, and given the popularity and size of this site, especially compared to others like it, you'd probably be surprised how far it reaches.

     

    If you want to discuss something, hop on in!  Resorting to the tactic outlined in A really doesn't accomplish anything.  It just makes you look like a simian.

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    George Bernard Shaw


    “What is a cynic? A man who knows the price of everything and the value of nothing.”
    Oscar Wilde

  • toddzetoddze Member UncommonPosts: 2,150

    Originally posted by Seffren

     

    And yet you are here ... waisting your time discussing with me.

    I dont have anything better to do atmimage,  because OB character wipe is in a few days. image

    Then release on the 22ndimage.

    Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
    Now Playing: N/A
    Worst MMO: FFXIV
    Favorite MMO: FFXI

  • SeffrenSeffren Member Posts: 743

    Originally posted by toddze

    Originally posted by Seffren


     

    And yet you are here ... waisting your time discussing with me.

    I dont have anything better to do atmimage,  because OB character wipe is in a few days. image

    Then release on the 22ndimage.

    Ha ha, same here ... 

    Installing Vindictus OB as we speak ... so in a way I WAS taking 1 of your choices.

    Was nice messing around with you ;)

  • toddzetoddze Member UncommonPosts: 2,150

    Originally posted by Shiymmas

     

    A: You're the one that took a dump in their hand and slung it in the first place.

    B: There's been no debate.  You even now agree and state your position in a much better (albeit still offensive) way.  If folks want to discuss the issue, or bring it to the attention of others that are unaware, then let them.  If that bothers you so much, don't click on the topic only to get yourself riled up.

    I didnt sling anything I just stated the only viable options. I dont think i called anyone names on my first post. I didnt degrade anyone, granted it was in a cold hearted tone. But in all actuality where was I wong? Your eaither going to play or your not, everyone who logs on knows the UI is less than perfect.

    as for your B: Just go look at the OB reviews here the UI is always knocked and its deserved, you act like its not being talked about, it comes up in most every thread.

    Waiting for:EQ-Next, ArcheAge (not so much anymore)
    Now Playing: N/A
    Worst MMO: FFXIV
    Favorite MMO: FFXI

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