No it's not a problem of perception...They are there to purchase, why wouldn't I consider them?...No offense, but I don't like it when anyone tells me what I should or should not do in a game that I'm spending my hard earned money to play...To each his own...
My Virtues currently are 9,9,10,10,10...I'm in a small guild and working on my Radiance Armor currently...I have no problem running Instances for the Tomes either...None at all, and I'll do whatever I have time for or what my Guild is up for that day......I do plenty every day to increase My Stats...I enjoy all aspects of the game...I really do...But when you put these things, like the tomes and vault space in front of someone who loves the Game it's even worse at times...It's not perception...The reality is right there in the store for 495 points a piece...And what I'm saying is Turbine is blowing it by not making it more affordable for VIP's and Lifers...Cause if they did I would buy...Quite a few of My Guild Mates feel the same way...It's my money and if I think it's of value I have every right to consider purchasing them if they're for sale...But the value is just not there for me currently...That's all I'm saying...And right now it's Turbine's loss...
See, thats what i get for trying to be polite and use funny words like perception. Lets try being frank. These items are in the store so that Turbine can milk lazy sobs who can't be bothered to actually play the game to improve their character. They are there for the same reason cosmetic skirmish items(that you can buy just aswell for skirmish marks), crafting recipes, teleport scrolls or vault space upgrades are in the store. And they are not supposed to be low priced, affordable or cheaper for VIPs.
They are entirely and completely optional 'im lazy and want a shortcut items'. They are the only kind of items Turbine can gauge people on without leading to an outcry because its commonly accepted that gauging lazy people is ok. Imagine it like this, we get cheap questpacks and expansions and expensive "im lazy" items. Im a lifetimer and more often than not lazy, but i still prefer that over the other way around because this will be better for the game.
Please don't misunderstand my tone as being aimed at you, you made it quite clear that you and your kinnies are exactly not the kind of person im talking about. And thats the whole point, those that actually like and enjoy the game will form Fellowships and do instances, while those without the time or who don't want to group buy it in the store and singlehandedly finance the next 3 expansions.
I do not like to do this - but I will quote what you block-quoted as a response:
"This is not a matter of mine or your opinion, it is careful analysis by publisher that years old game does not have enough content and has to make money somewhere else."
I'd like to focus on that part, because it just does not make sense. Not even grammatically. I underlined the part that just does not compute. Who did the analysis? Which publisher, about which game and why do you think it applies to LotRO? You managed fine in the rest of your post, so i don't think its a language issue, but with what you have given us so far it is very much a matter of opinion.
What? an older game is usually content poor? huh? LOTRO had , if my memory serves me , over 2400 quests on release and now has around 3600 to 4000 quests total. There are several landmasses now that werent there before. thats not opinion.
Just link some of those publishers analysees please?
On the LOTRO forums there are now a few newbs posting "facts" about how bad LOTROs f2p model is with major claims of all kinds of "studies" and "articles" published proving their point. One thread has this guy announcing that ALL game magazines and the AP news service has "blasted" Turbine/WB hybrid f2p model. Yet there is nothing linked to even one.
Money talks. Why do they have to sell pretty much compulsory character upgrades in store when they have so much redundant content they could be selling instead? Why would they alter successful, tested and widely accepted model, experimenting on major project no less? The quests make up quite small part of shop.
I get shared bank and tomes and even potions, they managed to invent quite a lot of other cash shop items too - but if you have to take out too many core parts of game and sell them bit by bit you are either being greedy or you do not have anything else for sale. The subscription option is still there for a fair price so it is not greed that drives them. You may feel there are enough quests, but the guys that matter did not act that way.
Money talks. Why do they have to sell pretty much compulsory character upgrades in store when they have so much redundant content they could be selling instead? Why would they alter successful, tested and widely accepted model, experimenting on major project no less? The quests make up quite small part of shop.
I get shared bank and tomes and even potions, they managed to invent quite a lot of other cash shop items too - but if you have to take out too many core parts of game and sell them bit by bit you are either being greedy or you do not have anything else for sale. The subscription option is still there for a fair price so it is not greed that drives them. You may feel there are enough quests, but the guys that matter did not act that way.
Hmm are you trying to say that if LotRO had enough content Turbine wouldn't need to charge for gold cap removals, charslots etc? The reason why that isn't the case is simple, its not amount of content thats the deciding factor its about content throughput. Or in other words, if i spend 5$ on a questpack and then spend 1 month in the area with my 3 alts turbine only got 5$ per month from me.
But not because there is so little content, but because those 5$ got me so much that i don't need to buy anymore content for a while. Even if there where 40 other zones behind that 5$ purchase, i wouldn't buy them as long as i was busy in my 5$ zone. And if i play slowly enough, than no matter how much content there is they would never see more than 5$ from me per month.
And thats the reason some people think VIP is great, while other like me think premium is much better. Some people will level a char in 3 days through 6 zones, i however can spend a lot more time in a single zone. Because i usually do deeds close to level, like to keep my crafting up, spend time RPing and have about half a dozen alts(actually more, its quite scary).
I went through all of the LotRO content in just over two months, so the game is lacking content and end game content at that.
The only grinds that matter are trait/deeds and radiance gear.
Getting lucky getting a legendary with the right stuff ...
I got my black goat, and red armor horse, kindred with all the factions except the festival ones and completely geared out like I said in just over 2 months, and also got almost all the deeds done, I did this with a group of like minded people.
We set the goal to get this done and just blew through it, as it stands now my toons are barely effected by this f2p model and I've been enjoying the game without even paying now.
Still just bidding my time till World of Darkness is out then I'm done with LotRO, unless they get some new content....
Played: MCO - EQ/EQ2 - WoW - VG - WAR - AoC - LoTRO - DDO - GW/GW2 - Eve - Rift - FE - TSW - TSO - WS - ESO - AA - BD Playing: Sims 3 & 4, Diablo3 and PoE Waiting on: Lost Ark Who's going to make a Cyberpunk MMO?
IMO LOTRO was worth the monthly fee. I havent played since F2P and most likely wont. I found LOTRO to have one of the best communities and most F2P games have some of the worst communities. So before I resub i'll let all the bad, kids, and people who just want a free ride leave. Then maybe I will come back.
I went through all of the LotRO content in just over two months, so the game is lacking content and end game content at that.
The only grinds that matter are trait/deeds and radiance gear.
Getting lucky getting a legendary with the right stuff ...
I got my black goat, and red armor horse, kindred with all the factions except the festival ones and completely geared out like I said in just over 2 months, and also got almost all the deeds done, I did this with a group of like minded people.
We set the goal to get this done and just blew through it, as it stands now my toons are barely effected by this f2p model and I've been enjoying the game without even paying now.
Still just bidding my time till World of Darkness is out then I'm done with LotRO, unless they get some new content....
I'm just curious if you've ever found an MMO with enough content? Do you really think that WoD will have enough content to hold you over?
To blow through everything in two months... did you ever stop to look at the scenery? Read any of the quest text? Do you even know what the epic story lines were about?
We play games differently, and that's cool, I just cannot understand why you would rush through everything. Is it really fun to hurry to max, do everything as quick as possible, and then be left with nothing? It sounds as if LotRO is just not your game, everyone who plays knows, or should know, that LotRO is about the journey.
Don't blame LotRO for you play style. If you can do everything in two months, I don't think you'll ever find a game that can keep up with you.
I read every quest and did all the epic story line quests.
And yes I explored and farmed mats for crafting and got to enjoy the scenery.
The problem is LotRO just does not have enough end game content right now.
WoW is also running into this problem.
About the only game that alot content out right now is EQ and EQ2, they're huge worlds with so much content that they implented the mentor system and or allow you to lower your toons level to match the content so that you don't out level it.
Still I'm done with EQ2 and WoW and will just play LotRO till WoD is out.
I love leveling alts in LotRO and helping out my kin with stuff, and I'm sorta working towards getting turbine points to unlock stuff and keep my account premium.
And dont get me wrong, I actually leveled pretty slow imho compared to what I saw others doing, it was just in my leveling I got alot stuff done that most people dont usually get to do or even try to do, and then by level 50 I was running with a few others with the same mind set to get these deeds, titles, mounts and all the dungeons and raids done.
I ended up joining the raid guild Nemesis to experience the last and hardest raids and then once geared I realized there was nothing else to do.
Edit: and ya sometime we spent 8-12hrs running content/grinding out deeds or the dungeons to get the deeds done for the mounts and titles. So it was not all easy and or quickly done... we put in some serious hours to knock that shit out.
Played: MCO - EQ/EQ2 - WoW - VG - WAR - AoC - LoTRO - DDO - GW/GW2 - Eve - Rift - FE - TSW - TSO - WS - ESO - AA - BD Playing: Sims 3 & 4, Diablo3 and PoE Waiting on: Lost Ark Who's going to make a Cyberpunk MMO?
I do not like to do this - but I will quote what you block-quoted as a response:
"This is not a matter of mine or your opinion, it is careful analysis by publisher that years old game does not have enough content and has to make money somewhere else."
I'd like to focus on that part, because it just does not make sense. Not even grammatically. I underlined the part that just does not compute. Who did the analysis? Which publisher, about which game and why do you think it applies to LotRO? You managed fine in the rest of your post, so i don't think its a language issue, but with what you have given us so far it is very much a matter of opinion.
What? an older game is usually content poor? huh? LOTRO had , if my memory serves me , over 2400 quests on release and now has around 3600 to 4000 quests total. There are several landmasses now that werent there before. thats not opinion.
Just link some of those publishers analysees please?
On the LOTRO forums there are now a few newbs posting "facts" about how bad LOTROs f2p model is with major claims of all kinds of "studies" and "articles" published proving their point. One thread has this guy announcing that ALL game magazines and the AP news service has "blasted" Turbine/WB hybrid f2p model. Yet there is nothing linked to even one.
"Money talks. Why do they have to sell pretty much compulsory character upgrades in store when they have so much redundant content they could be selling instead? Why would they alter successful, tested and widely accepted model, experimenting on major project no less? The quests make up quite small part of shop."
"I get shared bank and tomes and even potions, they managed to invent quite a lot of other cash shop items too - but if you have to take out too many core parts of game and sell them bit by bit you are either being greedy or you do not have anything else for sale. The subscription option is still there for a fair price so it is not greed that drives them. You may feel there are enough quests, but the guys that matter did not act that way."
I think I am beginning to understand what you are trying to prove. you are familiar with f2p games in general and have become comfortable with the accepted practice of the cash shops offered by those types of games. And they generally do work. Now you are saying since this game has a different model it is not a good model. the reason being you see the sale of quest packs and some other odd things as a poor effort to convince f2pers that the game is as robust as it advertises itself to be?
If so, I think you must consider that this game was never designed as a f2p game and cant function exactly the way games that were designed to be f2p are. LOTRO doesnt have items for sale that unbalance the leveling process. Like epic gear or pay to win. It cant offer those things . admittedly the buffs to increase xp and tomes to increase trait stats is close. But to go any further it gets out of hand. Since this game was p2p there is a considerable player base already; do you think if they overhauled the game to be like all other f2p games they would keep the existing player base? What f2p game has the rp friendlyness and the community like this one. I think maybe SWG and Vanguard, and they are p2p. Different kinds of game designs.
It cost like $55 to unlock all the SoA quest packs or 5500 turbine points.
People have already done the math and if you take 3 new toons through the 3 starting zones you can unlock almost 1500 points... so if you put the time in you can unlock the content and have a free game.
Played: MCO - EQ/EQ2 - WoW - VG - WAR - AoC - LoTRO - DDO - GW/GW2 - Eve - Rift - FE - TSW - TSO - WS - ESO - AA - BD Playing: Sims 3 & 4, Diablo3 and PoE Waiting on: Lost Ark Who's going to make a Cyberpunk MMO?
It amazes me how much time people spend in games. I've now logged something like 400 hours in LOTRO over 2 years and haven't even reached level cap. I've gotten to Kindred with exactly one factio - the Galadhrim, which is basically automatic if you do most the quests in Lothlorien (no grinding like other ones).
But on the flip side, no LOTRO doesn't have much content compared to WoW or Everquest. Even though it's got 3000 quests (that's what the Lorebook says), those two have more.
2994 is what it lists, not all are doable for one character (class and such).
Moreover, much of the content is really aimed at the initial level cap - 50. There's a ton of stuff to do there, but without the level cap set there, you quickly outlevel it.
In any other f2p mmo lets say EQ2 which is now f2p btw you have content up to lvl 80 yea you cant equip the fabled/legendary gear but the mastercrafted stuff is just as good as that if not better let me know what oyu guys think thanks
EQ2X restricts your access to chat channels.
EQ2X restricts your access to classes.
EQ2X restricts your access to races.
EQ2X restricts your access to the Broker (Auction House)
EQ2X restricts you from upgrading your spell tiers past Expert.
EQ2X restricts you from equipping fabled/legendary gear, and no, mastercrafted is nowhere near comparable to fabled.
EQ2X restricts your ability to send ingame mails.
EQ2X restricts your access to customer service tickets.
I could go on and on and on....
LOTRO is by far the superior game from a FTP standpoint, it has way less restrictions, and requires a grand total of a 17 dollar investment for you to be able to adequately level a character from 1-50.
EQ2X requires you either sub, or spend upwards of $125 in the store to be able to access even the most basic feature, and that is factoring the 10 bucks for Silver into things as well. It is an absurdly overpriced system, and by far one of the most blatant cash grabs I have ever had the misfortune of witnessing.
It amazes me how much time people spend in games. I've now logged something like 400 hours in LOTRO over 2 years and haven't even reached level cap. I've gotten to Kindred with exactly one factio - the Galadhrim, which is basically automatic if you do most the quests in Lothlorien (no grinding like other ones).
But on the flip side, no LOTRO doesn't have much content compared to WoW or Everquest. Even though it's got 3000 quests (that's what the Lorebook says), those two have more.
2994 is what it lists, not all are doable for one character (class and such).
Moreover, much of the content is really aimed at the initial level cap - 50. There's a ton of stuff to do there, but without the level cap set there, you quickly outlevel it.
In any other f2p mmo lets say EQ2 which is now f2p btw you have content up to lvl 80 yea you cant equip the fabled/legendary gear but the mastercrafted stuff is just as good as that if not better let me know what oyu guys think thanks
EQ2X restricts your access to chat channels.
EQ2X restricts your access to classes.
EQ2X restricts your access to races.
EQ2X restricts your access to the Broker (Auction House)
EQ2X restricts you from upgrading your spell tiers past Expert.
EQ2X restricts you from equipping fabled/legendary gear, and no, mastercrafted is nowhere near comparable to fabled.
EQ2X restricts your ability to send ingame mails.
EQ2X restricts your access to customer service tickets.
I could go on and on and on....
LOTRO is by far the superior game from a FTP standpoint, it has way less restrictions, and requires a grand total of a 17 dollar investment for you to be able to adequately level a character from 1-50.
EQ2X requires you either sub, or spend upwards of $125 in the store to be able to access even the most basic feature, and that is factoring the 10 bucks for Silver into things as well. It is an absurdly overpriced system, and by far one of the most blatant cash grabs I have ever had the misfortune of witnessing.
True.
LotRO has really made almost to easy to have the whole game free without any limits except the swift travel and auction house. And I'm speaking from someone who either had the SoW, MoM expansions or goes out and buys them for $10 from somewhere which is actually the best thing to do right now.
Yes a fresh player is hurt a little more, but all my alts beside my main were level 3-7 with my main alt being level 31.
And each of them has all their traits open, bags, gold cap removed, extra storage space at vault extra... because I made them and just let them sit.
Really shows how nice LotRO is as f2p and how easy it's going to be to unlock the last few things needed.
Played: MCO - EQ/EQ2 - WoW - VG - WAR - AoC - LoTRO - DDO - GW/GW2 - Eve - Rift - FE - TSW - TSO - WS - ESO - AA - BD Playing: Sims 3 & 4, Diablo3 and PoE Waiting on: Lost Ark Who's going to make a Cyberpunk MMO?
EQ2 is one game that really did not get the success it deserves. Imo it needed new rendering engine and complete graphics overhaul, marketing it as an alternative separate game. It is about the only MMO where graphics actually bothered me, not because it was ugly (I play EvE zoomed out so it is really just boxes and letters) but because the rest of game was so much of a well oiled machine, the graphics sticked out. The F2P offer missed the opportunity so it is gone forever I guess. The EQ2X is considered borderline scam (and yet the list above is way too close to current F2P LOTRO - seems some warner brother got his inspiration from a wrong source).
Back on topic. End game is very hard to do. Even Blizzard with all their talents and money produces barely enough. LOTRO and indeed most games do not have such finely tuned game mechanics to make encounters fun, doable, but still challenging so they have to produce even more (yet another example why it is so hard to beat WoW when it is cheapest and best at the same time). By going F2P matters only got worse - and better. Properly tuning end game got next to impossible but it opens it to more people and puts pressure on devs to release more content packs. New dungeons is something F2Ps produce routinely and something Turbine is used to now with DDO. I am not big fan of overbalancing games as long as the game mechanics are well though out and fun, overbalancing leads to mathematical solutions to raids instead of playing interactive game - it's just hard to find one without the other.
Hm, the more I think of it the more I dislike where F2P LOTRO is now but at the same time the more promising it looks.
EQ2 is one game that really did not get the success it deserves. Imo it needed new rendering engine and complete graphics overhaul, marketing it as an alternative separate game. It is about the only MMO where graphics actually bothered me, not because it was ugly (I play EvE zoomed out so it is really just boxes and letters) but because the rest of game was so much of a well oiled machine, the graphics sticked out. The F2P offer missed the opportunity so it is gone forever I guess.
Back on topic. End game is very hard to do. Even Blizzard with all their talents and money produces barely enough. LOTRO and indeed most games do not have such finely tuned game mechanics to make encounters fun, doable, but still challenging so they have to produce even more (yet another example why it is so hard to beat WoW when it is cheapest and best at the same time). By going F2P matters only got worse - and better. Properly tuning end game got next to impossible but it opens it to more people and puts pressure on devs to release more content packs. New dungeons is something F2Ps produce routinely and something Turbine is used to now with DDO. I am not big fan of overbalancing games as long as the game mechanics are well though out and fun, overbalancing leads to mathematical solutions to raids instead of playing interactive game - it's just hard to find one without the other.
Hm, the more I think of it the more I dislike where F2P LOTRO is now but at the same time the more promising it looks.
I look for SoE to make VG f2p now.
I think it's time for developers and mmo's to get away from the grind for gear or just running dungeons and killing stuff.
It is time to bring forth the social parts that have been lacking in mmo's and I look for WoD to make this happen.
People need stuff to do and ways to interact with people besides just killing mobs/running dungeons and looking to the random drops of loot.
Played: MCO - EQ/EQ2 - WoW - VG - WAR - AoC - LoTRO - DDO - GW/GW2 - Eve - Rift - FE - TSW - TSO - WS - ESO - AA - BD Playing: Sims 3 & 4, Diablo3 and PoE Waiting on: Lost Ark Who's going to make a Cyberpunk MMO?
EQ2 is one game that really did not get the success it deserves. Imo it needed new rendering engine and complete graphics overhaul, marketing it as an alternative separate game. It is about the only MMO where graphics actually bothered me, not because it was ugly (I play EvE zoomed out so it is really just boxes and letters) but because the rest of game was so much of a well oiled machine, the graphics sticked out. The F2P offer missed the opportunity so it is gone forever I guess.
Back on topic. End game is very hard to do. Even Blizzard with all their talents and money produces barely enough. LOTRO and indeed most games do not have such finely tuned game mechanics to make encounters fun, doable, but still challenging so they have to produce even more (yet another example why it is so hard to beat WoW when it is cheapest and best at the same time). By going F2P matters only got worse - and better. Properly tuning end game got next to impossible but it opens it to more people and puts pressure on devs to release more content packs. New dungeons is something F2Ps produce routinely and something Turbine is used to now with DDO. I am not big fan of overbalancing games as long as the game mechanics are well though out and fun, overbalancing leads to mathematical solutions to raids instead of playing interactive game - it's just hard to find one without the other.
Hm, the more I think of it the more I dislike where F2P LOTRO is now but at the same time the more promising it looks.
Interesting post! Have you played in the Rift, Helegrod,Carn Dum old endgame ? Or the Radiance instances in Moria? If so how are they compared to f2p end game instances? We now of course have tunable end game in several areas, (which I have not done). Do consider that developement has slowed this last year, but the game is just over half filled in and has license to 2017. Do you think there is potential?
EQ2 is one game that really did not get the success it deserves. Imo it needed new rendering engine and complete graphics overhaul, marketing it as an alternative separate game. It is about the only MMO where graphics actually bothered me, not because it was ugly (I play EvE zoomed out so it is really just boxes and letters) but because the rest of game was so much of a well oiled machine, the graphics sticked out. The F2P offer missed the opportunity so it is gone forever I guess.
Back on topic. End game is very hard to do. Even Blizzard with all their talents and money produces barely enough. LOTRO and indeed most games do not have such finely tuned game mechanics to make encounters fun, doable, but still challenging so they have to produce even more (yet another example why it is so hard to beat WoW when it is cheapest and best at the same time). By going F2P matters only got worse - and better. Properly tuning end game got next to impossible but it opens it to more people and puts pressure on devs to release more content packs. New dungeons is something F2Ps produce routinely and something Turbine is used to now with DDO. I am not big fan of overbalancing games as long as the game mechanics are well though out and fun, overbalancing leads to mathematical solutions to raids instead of playing interactive game - it's just hard to find one without the other.
Hm, the more I think of it the more I dislike where F2P LOTRO is now but at the same time the more promising it looks.
Interesting post! Have you played in the Rift, Helegrod,Carn Dum old endgame ? Or the Radiance instances in Moria? If so how are they compared to f2p end game instances? We now of course have tunable end game in several areas, (which I have not done). Do consider that developement has slowed this last year, but the game is just over half filled in and has license to 2017. Do you think there is potential?
Yes it has potential.
But take WoW and LotRO and compare them to EQ2 and you can see how SoE has been throwing out expansion after expansion and given players a way to handle all this content with the mentor system and the ability to set your toons level to match the content and you can see how behind WoW and LotRO are.
And I have one of each class from WoW with 4 of them ICC geared and the rest well on there way before I finally threw in the towel and said I've had enough.
Blizz has the money to make change and put thing into WoW but they're just sitting on their hands and not doing anything.
Played: MCO - EQ/EQ2 - WoW - VG - WAR - AoC - LoTRO - DDO - GW/GW2 - Eve - Rift - FE - TSW - TSO - WS - ESO - AA - BD Playing: Sims 3 & 4, Diablo3 and PoE Waiting on: Lost Ark Who's going to make a Cyberpunk MMO?
the games base has potential. what i fell is going to hurt the game and push away new players isnt the cash shop or the pay as you go type gaming its the system there useing to layer the instances in populated areas , the system inplace now is running " EVERY" layer of that area on the users PC .and filtering out all but the layer the player is in for vissual and letting all chat from all layers threw.
running all layers is a great strain on the avg. users PC . i was getting super lag. in a barrow just as the split layers icon poped up so i click on task manager and im spikeing 100% usage. not good . so i cought lag death could not fight back got sent back to town . ran into town for repairs , split instance was already up . mega lag from gate open task manager just to see and im red lined. not worth burning out a cpu so i emergancy bailed by ending the tree .
I understand Turbine is new to F2P and what F2P does to a game .they knew they would need some form of split instance and got a prog that was fast , cheap, and ez. but far from useable . it is far better to block off everything spit instance to split instance , than to use a set up that runs every instance at the same time on the users pc.
if you fry your cpu do to the quick fix made for ingame instancing your just out a few lines were added to the TOS befor relaunch
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Ok I got to ask this question. For people who played since the start. Do you think LOTRO fits the F2P theme? Im not to sure how to word it, but LOTRO was just built around subbing and it makes no sense to go into this direction. DDO was failing and going to F2P saved it. The issue was that LOTRO was not failing, was one of the best mmo's for a while and the population to me was always good.
LOTRO is an old game, an old lady, not even a cougar. The bunch that want to express that its' got something going have my respect. A menopausal game needs those that will court it also, I suppose.
Striving for Silver Stars since Gold is so effeminate.
I think LOTRO is a really good game. One of the more solid MMOs out there. But I too am a little put off by the sheer amount of stuff you have to pay for in this game. I understand they need to do it to some extent, but I feel like they really went overboard I hope they tune it back a little bit.
Yes! The game has potential. The game is Dang good already. It dont play to everybodies style, thats why there are like 200 or more mmos out there.
It was a p2p game. Now its a hybrid f2p. I dont believe they could have done it any other way. If they would have gone over totally to the accepted f2p convention I am sure the existing player base would have dwindled drastically. We lost a lot anyway. Of all the options this had to be the better pick.
But we have a big problem. Layering. It has and will continue to ruin all large events, and many smaller rp events. It has to go or many of us will. They have to get on it very soon. This is a gamebreaker to a ton of us. This game begs to be rped. It seems designed on purpose to be very casually played.
The f2p problems like no AH access and swift travel are going to get tweaked. They have as of today changed prices on many items in store.
We have to get the expansions of Grey Havens, Rohan, Enidwaith, Gondor, Fangorn, Mordor, pretty much all of the superregion of Rhovanion,..Dunland, Minhiriath, the big region south of the Shire, Dale, possible Rhun, Near Harad, Khand, Dead marshes,Emun Muil, Edhellond And more to complete this game.
The only way to lose it bigtime is to turn the game into something other than what it has been. and again that is an immersive fantasy based on the IP it was founded on; RP, casual and family friendly.
Yes! The game has potential. The game is Dang good already. It dont play to everybodies style, thats why there are like 200 or more mmos out there.
It was a p2p game. Now its a hybrid f2p. I dont believe they could have done it any other way. If they would have gone over totally to the accepted f2p convention I am sure the existing player base would have dwindled drastically. We lost a lot anyway. Of all the options this had to be the better pick.
But we have a big problem. Layering. It has and will continue to ruin all large events, and many smaller rp events. It has to go or many of us will. They have to get on it very soon. This is a gamebreaker to a ton of us. This game begs to be rped. It seems designed on purpose to be very casually played.
The f2p problems like no AH access and swift travel are going to get tweaked. They have as of today changed prices on many items in store.
We have to get the expansions of Grey Havens, Rohan, Enidwaith, Gondor, Fangorn, Mordor, pretty much all of the superregion of Rhovanion,..Dunland, Minhiriath, the big region south of the Shire, Dale, possible Rhun, Near Harad, Khand, Dead marshes,Emun Muil, Edhellond And more to complete this game.
The only way to lose it bigtime is to turn the game into something other than what it has been. and again that is an immersive fantasy based on the IP it was founded on; RP, casual and family friendly.
I actually did a proposal for that, but doesn't look like people liked it.
the games base has potential. what i fell is going to hurt the game and push away new players isnt the cash shop or the pay as you go type gaming its the system there useing to layer the instances in populated areas , the system inplace now is running " EVERY" layer of that area on the users PC .and filtering out all but the layer the player is in for vissual and letting all chat from all layers threw.
running all layers is a great strain on the avg. users PC . i was getting super lag. in a barrow just as the split layers icon poped up so i click on task manager and im spikeing 100% usage. not good . so i cought lag death could not fight back got sent back to town . ran into town for repairs , split instance was already up . mega lag from gate open task manager just to see and im red lined. not worth burning out a cpu so i emergancy bailed by ending the tree .
I understand Turbine is new to F2P and what F2P does to a game .they knew they would need some form of split instance and got a prog that was fast , cheap, and ez. but far from useable . it is far better to block off everything spit instance to split instance , than to use a set up that runs every instance at the same time on the users pc.
if you fry your cpu do to the quick fix made for ingame instancing your just out a few lines were added to the TOS befor relaunch
TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOUR EXCLUSIVE REMEDY FOR ANY DISPUTE WITH ANY OF THE TURBINE PARTIES IN ANY WAY ARISING OUT OF OR RELATING TO THE TURBINE SERVICE (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, ANY UNAVAILABILITY, FAILURES, DELAYS, DOWN TIME, MISDELIVERIES, NONDELIVERIES, ERRORS OR INTERRUPTIONS IN THE TURBINE SERVICE) IS TO STOP USING THE TURBINE SERVICE, AND TO CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT(S).
TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT THE ENTIRE LIABILITY OF THE TURBINE PARTIES TO YOU IN ANY CASE, AND YOUR EXCLUSIVE REMEDY WHERE NO EXCLUSIVE REMEDY HAS BEEN PROVIDED, AND YOUR SOLE ALTERNATE REMEDY SHOULD ANY EXCLUSIVE REMEDY HEREUNDER FAIL OF ITS ESSENTIAL PURPOSE, SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE AMOUNT THAT YOU PAID TO TURBINE OR ITS DESIGNEES DURING THE PRIOR ONE (1) MONTH PERIOD FOR THE APPLICABLE SERVICES GIVING RISE TO ANY SUCH LIABILITY.
IN NO CASE SHALL THE TURBINE PARTIES BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, INDIRECT, PUNITIVE OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES IN ANY WAY ARISING OUT OF OR RELATING TO YOUR USE OF THE TURBINE SERVICE OR YOUR INTERACTIONS WITH ANY OF THE TURBINE PARTIES OR ANY THIRD PARTY, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, LOSS OF PROFITS, DATA, GAME PLAY, IN-GAME ITEMS OR CHARACTERS, EVEN IF TURBINE HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH LOSSES OR DAMAGES, UNLESS SUCH LIABILITY IS LEGALLY INCAPABLE OF SUCH LIMITATION UNDER APPLICABLE LAW.
BECAUSE SOME STATES OR JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW CERTAIN DISCLAIMERS, EXCLUSIONS OR LIMITATIONS (SUCH AS LIMITATIONS OF LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL DAMAGES), IN SUCH STATES OR JURISDICTIONS, YOUR RIGHTS AND REMEDIES AND THE LIABILITY OF THE TURBINE PARTIES SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW.
What? Haha, this is just ridiculous. Not much else I can say, if your PC is having issues it's not from the layering but possibly think about getting a better case with more fans for adequate cooling or a bettery processor. I have been playing LoTRO fine and it stays around 43% CPU usage, even if it ever did get to 100% it should not "damage" your processor at all if it has good cooling. Any program/software is not going to hurt your hardware something else causes it. Never seen nor heard of a virus or whatever cause issues with PC hardware it's impossible. I use to get calls in tech support about people blaiming a virus or some other software for causing some kind of issue with there hardware. Every single time it boiled down to bad cooling, or just failed parts with time.
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See, thats what i get for trying to be polite and use funny words like perception. Lets try being frank. These items are in the store so that Turbine can milk lazy sobs who can't be bothered to actually play the game to improve their character. They are there for the same reason cosmetic skirmish items(that you can buy just aswell for skirmish marks), crafting recipes, teleport scrolls or vault space upgrades are in the store. And they are not supposed to be low priced, affordable or cheaper for VIPs.
They are entirely and completely optional 'im lazy and want a shortcut items'. They are the only kind of items Turbine can gauge people on without leading to an outcry because its commonly accepted that gauging lazy people is ok. Imagine it like this, we get cheap questpacks and expansions and expensive "im lazy" items. Im a lifetimer and more often than not lazy, but i still prefer that over the other way around because this will be better for the game.
Please don't misunderstand my tone as being aimed at you, you made it quite clear that you and your kinnies are exactly not the kind of person im talking about. And thats the whole point, those that actually like and enjoy the game will form Fellowships and do instances, while those without the time or who don't want to group buy it in the store and singlehandedly finance the next 3 expansions.
Money talks. Why do they have to sell pretty much compulsory character upgrades in store when they have so much redundant content they could be selling instead? Why would they alter successful, tested and widely accepted model, experimenting on major project no less? The quests make up quite small part of shop.
I get shared bank and tomes and even potions, they managed to invent quite a lot of other cash shop items too - but if you have to take out too many core parts of game and sell them bit by bit you are either being greedy or you do not have anything else for sale. The subscription option is still there for a fair price so it is not greed that drives them. You may feel there are enough quests, but the guys that matter did not act that way.
Hmm are you trying to say that if LotRO had enough content Turbine wouldn't need to charge for gold cap removals, charslots etc? The reason why that isn't the case is simple, its not amount of content thats the deciding factor its about content throughput. Or in other words, if i spend 5$ on a questpack and then spend 1 month in the area with my 3 alts turbine only got 5$ per month from me.
But not because there is so little content, but because those 5$ got me so much that i don't need to buy anymore content for a while. Even if there where 40 other zones behind that 5$ purchase, i wouldn't buy them as long as i was busy in my 5$ zone. And if i play slowly enough, than no matter how much content there is they would never see more than 5$ from me per month.
And thats the reason some people think VIP is great, while other like me think premium is much better. Some people will level a char in 3 days through 6 zones, i however can spend a lot more time in a single zone. Because i usually do deeds close to level, like to keep my crafting up, spend time RPing and have about half a dozen alts(actually more, its quite scary).
I went through all of the LotRO content in just over two months, so the game is lacking content and end game content at that.
The only grinds that matter are trait/deeds and radiance gear.
Getting lucky getting a legendary with the right stuff ...
I got my black goat, and red armor horse, kindred with all the factions except the festival ones and completely geared out like I said in just over 2 months, and also got almost all the deeds done, I did this with a group of like minded people.
We set the goal to get this done and just blew through it, as it stands now my toons are barely effected by this f2p model and I've been enjoying the game without even paying now.
Still just bidding my time till World of Darkness is out then I'm done with LotRO, unless they get some new content....
Played: MCO - EQ/EQ2 - WoW - VG - WAR - AoC - LoTRO - DDO - GW/GW2 - Eve - Rift - FE - TSW - TSO - WS - ESO - AA - BD
Playing: Sims 3 & 4, Diablo3 and PoE
Waiting on: Lost Ark
Who's going to make a Cyberpunk MMO?
IMO LOTRO was worth the monthly fee. I havent played since F2P and most likely wont. I found LOTRO to have one of the best communities and most F2P games have some of the worst communities. So before I resub i'll let all the bad, kids, and people who just want a free ride leave. Then maybe I will come back.
I read every quest and did all the epic story line quests.
And yes I explored and farmed mats for crafting and got to enjoy the scenery.
The problem is LotRO just does not have enough end game content right now.
WoW is also running into this problem.
About the only game that alot content out right now is EQ and EQ2, they're huge worlds with so much content that they implented the mentor system and or allow you to lower your toons level to match the content so that you don't out level it.
Still I'm done with EQ2 and WoW and will just play LotRO till WoD is out.
I love leveling alts in LotRO and helping out my kin with stuff, and I'm sorta working towards getting turbine points to unlock stuff and keep my account premium.
And dont get me wrong, I actually leveled pretty slow imho compared to what I saw others doing, it was just in my leveling I got alot stuff done that most people dont usually get to do or even try to do, and then by level 50 I was running with a few others with the same mind set to get these deeds, titles, mounts and all the dungeons and raids done.
I ended up joining the raid guild Nemesis to experience the last and hardest raids and then once geared I realized there was nothing else to do.
Edit: and ya sometime we spent 8-12hrs running content/grinding out deeds or the dungeons to get the deeds done for the mounts and titles. So it was not all easy and or quickly done... we put in some serious hours to knock that shit out.
Played: MCO - EQ/EQ2 - WoW - VG - WAR - AoC - LoTRO - DDO - GW/GW2 - Eve - Rift - FE - TSW - TSO - WS - ESO - AA - BD
Playing: Sims 3 & 4, Diablo3 and PoE
Waiting on: Lost Ark
Who's going to make a Cyberpunk MMO?
It cost like $55 to unlock all the SoA quest packs or 5500 turbine points.
People have already done the math and if you take 3 new toons through the 3 starting zones you can unlock almost 1500 points... so if you put the time in you can unlock the content and have a free game.
Played: MCO - EQ/EQ2 - WoW - VG - WAR - AoC - LoTRO - DDO - GW/GW2 - Eve - Rift - FE - TSW - TSO - WS - ESO - AA - BD
Playing: Sims 3 & 4, Diablo3 and PoE
Waiting on: Lost Ark
Who's going to make a Cyberpunk MMO?
It amazes me how much time people spend in games. I've now logged something like 400 hours in LOTRO over 2 years and haven't even reached level cap. I've gotten to Kindred with exactly one factio - the Galadhrim, which is basically automatic if you do most the quests in Lothlorien (no grinding like other ones).
But on the flip side, no LOTRO doesn't have much content compared to WoW or Everquest. Even though it's got 3000 quests (that's what the Lorebook says), those two have more.
http://lorebook.lotro.com/wiki/Special:Advancedsearch?type=quest&action=search&name=&desc=&minl=1&maxl=65&map=n&quest_category[]=any&increases_decreases[]=1
2994 is what it lists, not all are doable for one character (class and such).
Moreover, much of the content is really aimed at the initial level cap - 50. There's a ton of stuff to do there, but without the level cap set there, you quickly outlevel it.
550 quests are from 46 to 50
http://lorebook.lotro.com/wiki/Special:Advancedsearch?type=quest&action=search&name=&desc=&minl=46&maxl=50&map=n&quest_category[]=any&increases_decreases[]=1
That's like 1/4 of them.
R.I.P. City of Heroes and my 17 characters there
EQ2X restricts your access to chat channels.
EQ2X restricts your access to classes.
EQ2X restricts your access to races.
EQ2X restricts your access to the Broker (Auction House)
EQ2X restricts you from upgrading your spell tiers past Expert.
EQ2X restricts you from equipping fabled/legendary gear, and no, mastercrafted is nowhere near comparable to fabled.
EQ2X restricts your ability to send ingame mails.
EQ2X restricts your access to customer service tickets.
I could go on and on and on....
LOTRO is by far the superior game from a FTP standpoint, it has way less restrictions, and requires a grand total of a 17 dollar investment for you to be able to adequately level a character from 1-50.
EQ2X requires you either sub, or spend upwards of $125 in the store to be able to access even the most basic feature, and that is factoring the 10 bucks for Silver into things as well. It is an absurdly overpriced system, and by far one of the most blatant cash grabs I have ever had the misfortune of witnessing.
thank you for clarifying the numbers.. I was off by a good 1000 then.
True.
LotRO has really made almost to easy to have the whole game free without any limits except the swift travel and auction house. And I'm speaking from someone who either had the SoW, MoM expansions or goes out and buys them for $10 from somewhere which is actually the best thing to do right now.
Yes a fresh player is hurt a little more, but all my alts beside my main were level 3-7 with my main alt being level 31.
And each of them has all their traits open, bags, gold cap removed, extra storage space at vault extra... because I made them and just let them sit.
Really shows how nice LotRO is as f2p and how easy it's going to be to unlock the last few things needed.
Played: MCO - EQ/EQ2 - WoW - VG - WAR - AoC - LoTRO - DDO - GW/GW2 - Eve - Rift - FE - TSW - TSO - WS - ESO - AA - BD
Playing: Sims 3 & 4, Diablo3 and PoE
Waiting on: Lost Ark
Who's going to make a Cyberpunk MMO?
EQ2 is one game that really did not get the success it deserves. Imo it needed new rendering engine and complete graphics overhaul, marketing it as an alternative separate game. It is about the only MMO where graphics actually bothered me, not because it was ugly (I play EvE zoomed out so it is really just boxes and letters) but because the rest of game was so much of a well oiled machine, the graphics sticked out. The F2P offer missed the opportunity so it is gone forever I guess. The EQ2X is considered borderline scam (and yet the list above is way too close to current F2P LOTRO - seems some warner brother got his inspiration from a wrong source).
Back on topic. End game is very hard to do. Even Blizzard with all their talents and money produces barely enough. LOTRO and indeed most games do not have such finely tuned game mechanics to make encounters fun, doable, but still challenging so they have to produce even more (yet another example why it is so hard to beat WoW when it is cheapest and best at the same time). By going F2P matters only got worse - and better. Properly tuning end game got next to impossible but it opens it to more people and puts pressure on devs to release more content packs. New dungeons is something F2Ps produce routinely and something Turbine is used to now with DDO. I am not big fan of overbalancing games as long as the game mechanics are well though out and fun, overbalancing leads to mathematical solutions to raids instead of playing interactive game - it's just hard to find one without the other.
Hm, the more I think of it the more I dislike where F2P LOTRO is now but at the same time the more promising it looks.
I look for SoE to make VG f2p now.
I think it's time for developers and mmo's to get away from the grind for gear or just running dungeons and killing stuff.
It is time to bring forth the social parts that have been lacking in mmo's and I look for WoD to make this happen.
People need stuff to do and ways to interact with people besides just killing mobs/running dungeons and looking to the random drops of loot.
Played: MCO - EQ/EQ2 - WoW - VG - WAR - AoC - LoTRO - DDO - GW/GW2 - Eve - Rift - FE - TSW - TSO - WS - ESO - AA - BD
Playing: Sims 3 & 4, Diablo3 and PoE
Waiting on: Lost Ark
Who's going to make a Cyberpunk MMO?
Interesting post! Have you played in the Rift, Helegrod,Carn Dum old endgame ? Or the Radiance instances in Moria? If so how are they compared to f2p end game instances? We now of course have tunable end game in several areas, (which I have not done). Do consider that developement has slowed this last year, but the game is just over half filled in and has license to 2017. Do you think there is potential?
Yes it has potential.
But take WoW and LotRO and compare them to EQ2 and you can see how SoE has been throwing out expansion after expansion and given players a way to handle all this content with the mentor system and the ability to set your toons level to match the content and you can see how behind WoW and LotRO are.
And I have one of each class from WoW with 4 of them ICC geared and the rest well on there way before I finally threw in the towel and said I've had enough.
Blizz has the money to make change and put thing into WoW but they're just sitting on their hands and not doing anything.
Played: MCO - EQ/EQ2 - WoW - VG - WAR - AoC - LoTRO - DDO - GW/GW2 - Eve - Rift - FE - TSW - TSO - WS - ESO - AA - BD
Playing: Sims 3 & 4, Diablo3 and PoE
Waiting on: Lost Ark
Who's going to make a Cyberpunk MMO?
the games base has potential. what i fell is going to hurt the game and push away new players isnt the cash shop or the pay as you go type gaming its the system there useing to layer the instances in populated areas , the system inplace now is running " EVERY" layer of that area on the users PC .and filtering out all but the layer the player is in for vissual and letting all chat from all layers threw.
running all layers is a great strain on the avg. users PC . i was getting super lag. in a barrow just as the split layers icon poped up so i click on task manager and im spikeing 100% usage. not good . so i cought lag death could not fight back got sent back to town . ran into town for repairs , split instance was already up . mega lag from gate open task manager just to see and im red lined. not worth burning out a cpu so i emergancy bailed by ending the tree .
I understand Turbine is new to F2P and what F2P does to a game .they knew they would need some form of split instance and got a prog that was fast , cheap, and ez. but far from useable . it is far better to block off everything spit instance to split instance , than to use a set up that runs every instance at the same time on the users pc.
if you fry your cpu do to the quick fix made for ingame instancing your just out a few lines were added to the TOS befor relaunch
TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT YOUR EXCLUSIVE REMEDY FOR ANY DISPUTE WITH ANY OF THE TURBINE PARTIES IN ANY WAY ARISING OUT OF OR RELATING TO THE TURBINE SERVICE (INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, ANY UNAVAILABILITY, FAILURES, DELAYS, DOWN TIME, MISDELIVERIES, NONDELIVERIES, ERRORS OR INTERRUPTIONS IN THE TURBINE SERVICE) IS TO STOP USING THE TURBINE SERVICE, AND TO CANCEL YOUR ACCOUNT(S).
TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW, YOU ACKNOWLEDGE AND AGREE THAT THE ENTIRE LIABILITY OF THE TURBINE PARTIES TO YOU IN ANY CASE, AND YOUR EXCLUSIVE REMEDY WHERE NO EXCLUSIVE REMEDY HAS BEEN PROVIDED, AND YOUR SOLE ALTERNATE REMEDY SHOULD ANY EXCLUSIVE REMEDY HEREUNDER FAIL OF ITS ESSENTIAL PURPOSE, SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE AMOUNT THAT YOU PAID TO TURBINE OR ITS DESIGNEES DURING THE PRIOR ONE (1) MONTH PERIOD FOR THE APPLICABLE SERVICES GIVING RISE TO ANY SUCH LIABILITY.
IN NO CASE SHALL THE TURBINE PARTIES BE LIABLE FOR ANY SPECIAL, INCIDENTAL, INDIRECT, PUNITIVE OR CONSEQUENTIAL DAMAGES IN ANY WAY ARISING OUT OF OR RELATING TO YOUR USE OF THE TURBINE SERVICE OR YOUR INTERACTIONS WITH ANY OF THE TURBINE PARTIES OR ANY THIRD PARTY, INCLUDING, BUT NOT LIMITED TO, LOSS OF PROFITS, DATA, GAME PLAY, IN-GAME ITEMS OR CHARACTERS, EVEN IF TURBINE HAS BEEN ADVISED OF THE POSSIBILITY OF SUCH LOSSES OR DAMAGES, UNLESS SUCH LIABILITY IS LEGALLY INCAPABLE OF SUCH LIMITATION UNDER APPLICABLE LAW.
BECAUSE SOME STATES OR JURISDICTIONS DO NOT ALLOW CERTAIN DISCLAIMERS, EXCLUSIONS OR LIMITATIONS (SUCH AS LIMITATIONS OF LIABILITY FOR CONSEQUENTIAL OR INCIDENTAL DAMAGES), IN SUCH STATES OR JURISDICTIONS, YOUR RIGHTS AND REMEDIES AND THE LIABILITY OF THE TURBINE PARTIES SHALL BE LIMITED TO THE FULLEST EXTENT PERMITTED BY APPLICABLE LAW.
Ok I got to ask this question. For people who played since the start. Do you think LOTRO fits the F2P theme? Im not to sure how to word it, but LOTRO was just built around subbing and it makes no sense to go into this direction. DDO was failing and going to F2P saved it. The issue was that LOTRO was not failing, was one of the best mmo's for a while and the population to me was always good.
LOTRO is an old game, an old lady, not even a cougar. The bunch that want to express that its' got something going have my respect. A menopausal game needs those that will court it also, I suppose.
Striving for Silver Stars since Gold is so effeminate.
I think LOTRO is a really good game. One of the more solid MMOs out there. But I too am a little put off by the sheer amount of stuff you have to pay for in this game. I understand they need to do it to some extent, but I feel like they really went overboard I hope they tune it back a little bit.
They should of just said.. Pay us $60...if not, then play for free up to lvl 20ish
Yes! The game has potential. The game is Dang good already. It dont play to everybodies style, thats why there are like 200 or more mmos out there.
It was a p2p game. Now its a hybrid f2p. I dont believe they could have done it any other way. If they would have gone over totally to the accepted f2p convention I am sure the existing player base would have dwindled drastically. We lost a lot anyway. Of all the options this had to be the better pick.
But we have a big problem. Layering. It has and will continue to ruin all large events, and many smaller rp events. It has to go or many of us will. They have to get on it very soon. This is a gamebreaker to a ton of us. This game begs to be rped. It seems designed on purpose to be very casually played.
The f2p problems like no AH access and swift travel are going to get tweaked. They have as of today changed prices on many items in store.
We have to get the expansions of Grey Havens, Rohan, Enidwaith, Gondor, Fangorn, Mordor, pretty much all of the superregion of Rhovanion,..Dunland, Minhiriath, the big region south of the Shire, Dale, possible Rhun, Near Harad, Khand, Dead marshes,Emun Muil, Edhellond And more to complete this game.
The only way to lose it bigtime is to turn the game into something other than what it has been. and again that is an immersive fantasy based on the IP it was founded on; RP, casual and family friendly.
I actually did a proposal for that, but doesn't look like people liked it.
I've played since beta, and I'm not happy with the f2p system, just seems to expensive for newbie and that is who they hope to attract.....
What? Haha, this is just ridiculous. Not much else I can say, if your PC is having issues it's not from the layering but possibly think about getting a better case with more fans for adequate cooling or a bettery processor. I have been playing LoTRO fine and it stays around 43% CPU usage, even if it ever did get to 100% it should not "damage" your processor at all if it has good cooling. Any program/software is not going to hurt your hardware something else causes it. Never seen nor heard of a virus or whatever cause issues with PC hardware it's impossible. I use to get calls in tech support about people blaiming a virus or some other software for causing some kind of issue with there hardware. Every single time it boiled down to bad cooling, or just failed parts with time.
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