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I've been trolling these forums for awhile and have only recently started posting.

I personally feel alot of the complaints are valid but not game breaking and so i'll be playing the game come release.

I think the biggest factor between this game being a success or not really comes down to its player base and how they choose to interact with each other.

If the enviroment in game is positive I feel it will do quite well and some of the complaints of the game (the UI, the lack of in game direction) will actually strengthen the community as it will force a higher level of interaction between its players.

If the game enviroment is sour and negative that same interaction will work against it.

If a person logs in and asks a question about the UI and is told they're an idiot the problem is no longer the UI so much as they couldn't get the answer they needed.

I personally will be trying to help people with what they need as much as I can as I would rather spend my time in a positive enviroment than a negative or confrontational one and by doing that some of the negative things that people have noted might possibly become positives in the long run.

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  • FortencFortenc Member Posts: 427

    I sure hope the community is more responsive and friendly at launch than it currently is on either of my two servers.  Very rarely do people talk or respond.  I tried for two days on and off to get accomplished armorsmiths to create some Brass Buckles for me (which is, currently, how the system should work.. pay for others to help you with components to continue your craft) and, of course, no luck.  Nobody would respond to say or shout and whispering people in the armorsmith area yielded negative or no response.

     

    Let's hope.

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  • maskedtearsmaskedtears Member UncommonPosts: 345

    Originally posted by Itchy01

    I've been trolling these forums for awhile and have only recently started posting.

    I personally feel alot of the complaints are valid but not game breaking and so i'll be playing the game come release.

    I think the biggest factor between this game being a success or not really comes down to its player base and how they choose to interact with each other.

    If the enviroment in game is positive I feel it will do quite well and some of the complaints of the game (the UI, the lack of in game direction) will actually strengthen the community as it will force a higher level of interaction between its players.

    If the game enviroment is sour and negative that same interaction will work against it.

    If a person logs in and asks a question about the UI and is told they're an idiot the problem is no longer the UI so much as they couldn't get the answer they needed.

    I personally will be trying to help people with what they need as much as I can as I would rather spend my time in a positive enviroment than a negative or confrontational one and by doing that some of the negative things that people have noted might possibly become positives in the long run.

    I don't think I've ever heard or called anyone an idiot for asking a question in-game. And I would rip someone a new one if I heard them doing so. 

    On forums however, I think there will be a lot more hostility especially if someone is asking a question in a rude way. 

    Example:

    "WTF this game sucks. I can't even see everything on the flippin' map. I'm not playing this pile of shit."

    Translation:

    "I don't know how to move the map and I'm upset."

    The proper way to ask:

    "Hey can anyone tell me if the map is broken or something? I can't get it to zoom out and see things that I need to see. I'm getting pretty frustrated."

     

    Huge difference. If people can take the time to phrase their questions properly. People will take the time to respond in like. For me, even if someone is asking a question rudely in game I will suck it up and explain properly. However one thing that I don't tolerate is them bashing other people. For example I (straight female) was playing with a friend (gay male) and we were playing our genders in game minding our own business fishing. Some jerk runs up and calls us fags. THAT is the kind of behavior that shouldn't be accepted at all. 

    But other than that the community is great and I completely agree that the high-learning curve of the game and the lack of reading people do helps strengthen the community because people are generally helpful. 

     

     


    Originally posted by Fortenc

    I sure hope the community is more responsive and friendly at launch than it currently is on either of my two servers.  Very rarely do people talk or respond.  I tried for two days on and off to get accomplished armorsmiths to create some Brass Buckles for me (which is, currently, how the system should work.. pay for others to help you with components to continue your craft) and, of course, no luck.  Nobody would respond to say or shout and whispering people in the armorsmith area yielded negative or no response.

     

    Let's hope.

    I'm sorry that happened to you. Maybe a majority of those people didn't speak English or just didn't know so they didn't respond. 

    Or they could AFK. :D 


    You wanted my time, so I played you. You wanted my money, I forked it over. You wanted my soul, I gave it willingly. Not to complain... but when do I get my end of the deal? And no, I don't want your flippin' carrot. If you can't do that give me back my youth and keep the change. Why don't you try chasing your own damn carrot for a change? I'll gladly hold the stick.

  • ShiymmasShiymmas Member UncommonPosts: 587

    My biggest hope for FFXIV is that it doesn't contain too many bitter <insert-other-MMO's-name-here>-haters.  I've seen too much of that in other games, and it gets rather old - like listening to a buddy constantly complain about his ex-girlfriend whom he claims to be over, while dating another girl, who he cconstantly compares to the ex, while clearly not being over the ex.....  whew.

     

    Seriously, all the "Go back to WoW!" rhetoric thus far isn't very comforting.  That said, I'm not intending to pre-order, or even buy at release short of some serious improvements to the game itself, so who knows; maybe by the time everything is sorted out so will the community be.  Time will tell and it should be interesting to watch to say the least.

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  • geldonyetichgeldonyetich Member Posts: 1,340

    If the community in FFXIV is anything like the community in FFXI, it will be a great community, tons better than Barrens chat.  Partly because it'll be played by a lot of Japanese folk, who come from a very polite society, to the point where they can even put up with us offensive gaijins.

    However, if you look at the MMORPG.com forums, you're going to see a lot of sourness.  It's not because the FFXIV community sucks, so much as we're being bombarded and retaliating against trolls who figure (rightfully) that a major blockbuster game like this is a target-rich environment.

  • UldahUldah Member Posts: 162

    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    If the community in FFXIV is anything like the community in FFXI, it will be a great community, tons better than Barrens chat.  Partly because it'll be played by a lot of Japanese folk, who come from a very polite society, to the point where they can even put up with us offensive gaijins.

    However, if you look at the MMORPG.com forums, you're going to see a lot of sourness.  It's not because the FFXIV community sucks, so much as we're being bombarded and retaliating against trolls who figure (rightfully) that a major blockbuster game like this is a target-rich environment.

    Well , imo the reasons why people (and myself) claim ffxi had a very nice comunity is,

    1- All classes on 1 character.

    2-No global chat

    3-The NEED to get helpand help others to achieve most of the thins on the game.

    4-The high leveling curve.

    5-The multicultural servers, haters arent treated nicely on XI.

    6-No PvP.

  • ProfRedProfRed Member UncommonPosts: 3,495

    If its anything like FFXI it will be a great community.  You would be surprised how many jerks will write the game off due to UI or differences from other MMO's.  Not saying anyone who does is a jerk, but the people who stick around to find the real hidden potential in the game and come to love it are the type of people you want in your community.  FFXI's community was full of players who stuck around for years on end and developed some great communities.  I expect the same from FFXIV.

  • AnimatorKidAnimatorKid Member Posts: 208

    Originally posted by Uldah

    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    If the community in FFXIV is anything like the community in FFXI, it will be a great community, tons better than Barrens chat.  Partly because it'll be played by a lot of Japanese folk, who come from a very polite society, to the point where they can even put up with us offensive gaijins.

    However, if you look at the MMORPG.com forums, you're going to see a lot of sourness.  It's not because the FFXIV community sucks, so much as we're being bombarded and retaliating against trolls who figure (rightfully) that a major blockbuster game like this is a target-rich environment.

    Well , imo the reasons why people (and myself) claim ffxi had a very nice comunity is,

    1- All classes on 1 character.

    2-No global chat

    3-The NEED to get helpand help others to achieve most of the thins on the game.

    4-The high leveling curve.

    5-The multicultural servers, haters arent treated nicely on XI.

    6-No PvP.

    1. Was nice to have all the classes on 1 char, but man did storing equipment become such a pain in the rear end.

    2. That was nice but it also hurt players as well. Jeuno shouts were never heard in Bastok so you missed out on something important that you needed like lvl cap quests.

    3. That was the worst, I must have spent a week straight trying to get the lvl 50 items for the level cap quest. People would vote for some place else get their items and then leave. Coffer keys were another rpime example of this being a huge hassle for similar reasons.

    4. That curve was crazy high in the beginning, they lowered it but not much. Those last few levels seem to take a lifetime.

    5. I hated that the most, but I think it really was dependent on the server. The Jpn were horrible and really a bunch of @#$%% with their JP ONRY slogan all the time.  4 total 75 jobs and I dont need a whole hand to count how many JP parties I was in, and my playtime wqas there primetime.

    6. but we had Balista (sp?) lol

  • UldahUldah Member Posts: 162

    Originally posted by AnimatorKid

    Originally posted by Uldah


    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    If the community in FFXIV is anything like the community in FFXI, it will be a great community, tons better than Barrens chat.  Partly because it'll be played by a lot of Japanese folk, who come from a very polite society, to the point where they can even put up with us offensive gaijins.

    However, if you look at the MMORPG.com forums, you're going to see a lot of sourness.  It's not because the FFXIV community sucks, so much as we're being bombarded and retaliating against trolls who figure (rightfully) that a major blockbuster game like this is a target-rich environment.

    Well , imo the reasons why people (and myself) claim ffxi had a very nice comunity is,

    1- All classes on 1 character.

    2-No global chat

    3-The NEED to get helpand help others to achieve most of the thins on the game.

    4-The high leveling curve.

    5-The multicultural servers, haters arent treated nicely on XI.

    6-No PvP.

    1. Was nice to have all the classes on 1 char, but man did storing equipment become such a pain in the rear end.

    2. That was nice but it also hurt players as well. Jeuno shouts were never heard in Bastok so you missed out on something important that you needed like lvl cap quests.

    3. That was the worst, I must have spent a week straight trying to get the lvl 50 items for the level cap quest. People would vote for some place else get their items and then leave. Coffer keys were another rpime example of this being a huge hassle for similar reasons.

    4. That curve was crazy high in the beginning, they lowered it but not much. Those last few levels seem to take a lifetime.

    5. I hated that the most, but I think it really was dependent on the server. The Jpn were horrible and really a bunch of @#$%% with their JP ONRY slogan all the time.  4 total 75 jobs and I dont need a whole hand to count how many JP parties I was in, and my playtime wqas there primetime.

    6. but we had Balista (sp?) lol

    Yea, everythin have its "downside".I wont argue with your points they pretty much spot on.My bigest complain on ffxi is the time you needed to acomplish thins, and is why i quited in the first place, i grew up had responsabilities and couldnt play that much anymore.

    But you know , ill take all this bad thins gladly if that makes another comunity like the one xi had.

  • AnimatorKidAnimatorKid Member Posts: 208

    Originally posted by Uldah

    Originally posted by AnimatorKid


    Originally posted by Uldah


    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    If the community in FFXIV is anything like the community in FFXI, it will be a great community, tons better than Barrens chat.  Partly because it'll be played by a lot of Japanese folk, who come from a very polite society, to the point where they can even put up with us offensive gaijins.

    However, if you look at the MMORPG.com forums, you're going to see a lot of sourness.  It's not because the FFXIV community sucks, so much as we're being bombarded and retaliating against trolls who figure (rightfully) that a major blockbuster game like this is a target-rich environment.

    Well , imo the reasons why people (and myself) claim ffxi had a very nice comunity is,

    1- All classes on 1 character.

    2-No global chat

    3-The NEED to get helpand help others to achieve most of the thins on the game.

    4-The high leveling curve.

    5-The multicultural servers, haters arent treated nicely on XI.

    6-No PvP.

    1. Was nice to have all the classes on 1 char, but man did storing equipment become such a pain in the rear end.

    2. That was nice but it also hurt players as well. Jeuno shouts were never heard in Bastok so you missed out on something important that you needed like lvl cap quests.

    3. That was the worst, I must have spent a week straight trying to get the lvl 50 items for the level cap quest. People would vote for some place else get their items and then leave. Coffer keys were another rpime example of this being a huge hassle for similar reasons.

    4. That curve was crazy high in the beginning, they lowered it but not much. Those last few levels seem to take a lifetime.

    5. I hated that the most, but I think it really was dependent on the server. The Jpn were horrible and really a bunch of @#$%% with their JP ONRY slogan all the time.  4 total 75 jobs and I dont need a whole hand to count how many JP parties I was in, and my playtime wqas there primetime.

    6. but we had Balista (sp?) lol

    Yea, everythin have its "downside".I wont argue with your points they pretty much spot on.My bigest complain on ffxi is the time you needed to acomplish thins, and is why i quited in the first place, i grew up had responsabilities and couldnt play that much anymore.

    But you know , ill take all this bad thins gladly if that makes another comunity like the one xi had.

    I was not a fan of this community, it didn't have the childish talk that others had but players had no problem verbally attacking anything and anyone. You always sucked if your sub job was 1 level under cap, if you were a whm and didnt subbed blm you sucked. If you gear wasnt high end you were considered gimped. The botters ran the server and everyone else was just a sucky player.

    MPKing, if you won a claim, players leaving a party after they got their key or quest item. The Jp never wanted anything to do with you.

    Course like I said this was on 2 of my servers so not everyone had this, but I know how bad mine was.

  • Itchy01Itchy01 Member Posts: 103

    I've run into the "your an idiot/moron/retard, go back to wow" answer in response to a new persons question in multiple MMO's in the last couple years and my response was to message the person privately with the answer if I knew it.

    In any group or mass of people you'll have your negative elements but their influence can be moderated by the group itself and thats what i'm hoping to see within the game when it launches.

    In beta I haven't seen a lot of chat but I'm chalking that up to its being beta and the fact that people are still learning a lot of the mechanics of the game and not investing beyond that, once the game launches and linkshells form up i'm sure it'll change.

  • popinjaypopinjay Member Posts: 6,539


    Originally posted by Uldah

    Well , imo the reasons why people (and myself) claim ffxi had a very nice comunity is,
    1- All classes on 1 character.
    2-No global chat
    3-The NEED to get helpand help others to achieve most of the thins on the game.
    4-The high leveling curve.
    5-The multicultural servers, haters arent treated nicely on XI.
    6-No PvP.


    This is one of the ways the community stays pretty sane and quite mature.

    Even if someone wanted to come to FFXIV and start spamming "HEY LOOK! I'M DA KING!" or w/e stupid thing they wanted, almost no one would see it because there is no global chat as stated above. It would be like that moron was pissing in the wind. The few that do hear him would quickly put him on /block and he would go through the game not being able to get ANY major content done with the storyline. Why?


    Because no one would see his shouts for help. In AION, that's not really a big deal. You will get a party sooner or later to finish some big quest. In FFXIV, the community has a very SOLID memory and will shun you fast. If someone is acting a nut, it's unlikely he/she will be given a second chance and will quit unless they find a linkshell with people like them in it.


    It's not elitist, it's just that unlike other MMOs.. FF MMOs police themselves and don't count on GMs to ban or tell the kids to "Knock it off or you'll get banned". We usually do everything in house. :)

  • UldahUldah Member Posts: 162

    Originally posted by AnimatorKid

    Originally posted by Uldah


    Originally posted by AnimatorKid


    Originally posted by Uldah


    Originally posted by geldonyetich

    If the community in FFXIV is anything like the community in FFXI, it will be a great community, tons better than Barrens chat.  Partly because it'll be played by a lot of Japanese folk, who come from a very polite society, to the point where they can even put up with us offensive gaijins.

    However, if you look at the MMORPG.com forums, you're going to see a lot of sourness.  It's not because the FFXIV community sucks, so much as we're being bombarded and retaliating against trolls who figure (rightfully) that a major blockbuster game like this is a target-rich environment.

    Well , imo the reasons why people (and myself) claim ffxi had a very nice comunity is,

    1- All classes on 1 character.

    2-No global chat

    3-The NEED to get helpand help others to achieve most of the thins on the game.

    4-The high leveling curve.

    5-The multicultural servers, haters arent treated nicely on XI.

    6-No PvP.

    1. Was nice to have all the classes on 1 char, but man did storing equipment become such a pain in the rear end.

    2. That was nice but it also hurt players as well. Jeuno shouts were never heard in Bastok so you missed out on something important that you needed like lvl cap quests.

    3. That was the worst, I must have spent a week straight trying to get the lvl 50 items for the level cap quest. People would vote for some place else get their items and then leave. Coffer keys were another rpime example of this being a huge hassle for similar reasons.

    4. That curve was crazy high in the beginning, they lowered it but not much. Those last few levels seem to take a lifetime.

    5. I hated that the most, but I think it really was dependent on the server. The Jpn were horrible and really a bunch of @#$%% with their JP ONRY slogan all the time.  4 total 75 jobs and I dont need a whole hand to count how many JP parties I was in, and my playtime wqas there primetime.

    6. but we had Balista (sp?) lol

    Yea, everythin have its "downside".I wont argue with your points they pretty much spot on.My bigest complain on ffxi is the time you needed to acomplish thins, and is why i quited in the first place, i grew up had responsabilities and couldnt play that much anymore.

    But you know , ill take all this bad thins gladly if that makes another comunity like the one xi had.

    I was not a fan of this community, it didn't have the childish talk that others had but players had no problem verbally attacking anything and anyone. You always sucked if your sub job was 1 level under cap, if you were a whm and didnt subbed blm you sucked. If you gear wasnt high end you were considered gimped. The botters ran the server and everyone else was just a sucky player.

    MPKing, if you won a claim, players leaving a party after they got their key or quest item. The Jp never wanted anything to do with you.

    Course like I said this was on 2 of my servers so not everyone had this, but I know how bad mine was.

    Sorry you experienced all of this. I think the diference with xi and other mmos,besides the points i gave few post before, is that the linkshells/guilds were extremely important. On other mmos not as much , since theres a lot of solo and people could pass by without actually playing with others for every single thin.

    I can tell you people had as mouch trouble exping as finding a Linkshell/guild they fit in. For real it was that important on ffxi.

    If you didnt had a good group of people to play with who shared your interest, you wouldnt had enjoyed the game half as much.Grouping and friends it was that important on ffxi.

    Also there was another thin that really made the diference, is that most people who were morons assholes, ninja loters(insert bad actitud here), were quickly identify and people in general would avoid them like the plague. There was a lot of list of people to avoid with the reasons why over a bunch of forums all around the web.Yea ffxi police was pretty strict.Not saying this is actually a good thin,,,, but if you fucked up big time, or you did a bad thin to people,,,,, most of the server would new about it almost instantly.And not becouse of global chat, but becouse there was always a background check from most linkshells before taking new members.The problem for this kind of people is once they were targeted as (insert insult here ) they couldnt get anythin done, and eventually, quite the game.So the ffxi police really help the comunity, imo. But others might find it a bit extreme.

    Only advise i can give you( and the advice i gave everyone in game who came complaining wuaaa this person did this to me )is to play with your friends/linkshell only. Dont have one ? dont have friends? then make some, get together, search for a good linkshell, this was a big part (or the biggest)of the game as well.Especially since lv 10 or so, you HAD to group with other people.

    Im curious just how the comunity on XIV will grow up to be .Since they dont force you to group atm and they wont at release.

  • FourplayFourplay Member UncommonPosts: 216
    The community is what you make it regardless of the game. Many people were friendly in FFXI to me due to a couple of reasons.
    1.Accountability- Yes, you could roll alts. But generally most played only one character to do all. If you ruined the way people perceived you. Things became harder because people become aware of your personality.
    2.Surroundings- The reliance on others to advance. Sometime this could be a negative, but mostly a positive. FFXIV will have some greedy douches just like any mmo. The key is to join a shell with the same motives and way of treating each other as you.
    3.Persona- If you are a greedy, or negative nancy. It will be rare that people want to become friends or associates with you. Hard to have fun in groups if 1 players is bitchin 24/7.
    Treat others as you wish to be treated is my life motto taken from the bible. This doesn't mean you can't joke, cuss, or have fun. It just means be courteous to others.
    If you can find a good linkshell, that all follow those 3 principles. Your experience in FFXIV will be enjoyable and you will make life long friends as I did inFFXI.
    Lastly, if you expect help, help others. No matter how nice someone might be to help with no reciprocation . It isn't right, and eventually that hospitality will wane affecting how you are perceived in Eorzea.
    I look forward to meeting some of you post launch. :)
  • VikingGamerVikingGamer Member UncommonPosts: 1,350

    We do need to keep in mind that the start of a new community will be bumpy.



    First, many people are still just getting used to the new things and places. They may not be paying much attention to the local chatting that goes on.



    Second, all server are world servers. I have seen many japanese speakers already not to mention the many other language groups that will be represented. We can't assume that everyone around us understands English and even if they understand they may not feel confortable enough with it to try to speak it. Or they may not care to speak it. We are not the center of the universe after all.



    Third, the number of people who have gotten far enough in a craft to make something useful very small at this point.



    Forth, it is beta and all will be wiped out so there is not much motivation to work hard to make things to sell for money that you wont get to keep.



    Fifth, from what I have heard of the FFXI, Linkshells are everything, we will need to get into them for the game to seem very social. I suspect it will always seem pretty quiet to loner and those new at any given point. The great thing about LS is that they are self policing. Basically, every chat channel is by invitation only and if you don't stay in line as defined by the LS leadership you will get the boot. I rather like that there will be no Trade/general/world chat channels. The rudest seem to always rise to the top on widely public channels.



    It is really going to be up to these private communities as to how well they receive new people. I think it will be much more important for the vets to reach out to new players. But all in all I expect that the FFXIV community will be a very good one.

    All die, so die well.

  • Colossus1979Colossus1979 Member Posts: 125

    i remember my LS and community on my FFXI server (remora) was just a great bunch of people, at one point i will admit there was a couple of rough patches the LS had....but overall we all were around to help each other out. the community as a whole was definately kind and almost too easy going....they really behaved like a group of just civilized people....of course you'll have the one or two nit-wits in a community who would be ......un needed, but it's like what was said earlier...if you're too much of a problem it's word of mouth spreading like wildfire. i hope whatever server i find myself on i get into a group half as cool as my LS on remora....i'll consider myself lucky.

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  • IronfungusIronfungus Member Posts: 519

    Originally posted by Itchy01

    I personally feel alot of the complaints are valid but not game breaking and so i'll be playing the game come release.

    LOL.

  • Hrayr2148Hrayr2148 Member Posts: 649

    No global chat is a double edged sword.  For people that know WoW, think of Baron's chat in vanilla wow.  Not having global chat is such a beautiful thing.

     

    Here's a hint for people not used to a game with no general chat.  Find an LS that is in your time zone and primarily with players in the same starting city.  You will love it!

     

    Here's another reason why there is bearily any chat,  A LOT of people use controllers.  They are, like me, sitting back on a sofa or in their arm chair, playing the game.... they don't have time ot lean forward, drop the controller and type stuff up.  With that said, people using controllers and in LS's are talking it up and having a blast on VENT.

     

    So... to recap.

    Get into an LS.

    In your timezone.

    Players in the same starting city.

    Use a controller.

    Get on vent.

    ....

    Win.

  • PhillipVIIIPhillipVIII Member Posts: 62

    No global chat is awesome.

  • B1ightB1ight Member Posts: 109

    i was on Laskhimi and i loved it =/.

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