SEED didnt die due to non combat, atleast not the only reason, even if it properbly reduce the customer circle, it were simply not working when they had to launch due to lack of money.
non combat games work in other branches of the gaming industry, so why not in a MMO, but agreed with Brenth, they would have needed a better idea for the day to day activity....and well that being fun.
lack of money, know how, creativity on how to make the gameplay fun (mind it might have ruined it abit for me due to rubberbanding and crashes) and well money again since for someone to pull off an idea this far from the traditional MMO, you d need to advertise it heavy.
agree, i never played the game but concept sounds very innovative.
We should also remember that NCSoft gave all their projects a lot more time to work out kinks. And they still have CoH/V... a game they bough from the original developer Cryptic. NCSoft is great with taking risks... They have their cashcow Lineage 2 so they can take a chance every now and then... Tabula Rasa was crap... Innovative crap but still crap and Auto Assault was a broken broken game, and while the car part was fairly fluid the avatar part was horrid.. stiff animation and a very cumbersome UI.
SEED didnt die due to non combat, atleast not the only reason, even if it properbly reduce the customer circle, it were simply not working when they had to launch due to lack of money.
non combat games work in other branches of the gaming industry, so why not in a MMO, but agreed with Brenth, they would have needed a better idea for the day to day activity....and well that being fun.
lack of money, know how, creativity on how to make the gameplay fun (mind it might have ruined it abit for me due to rubberbanding and crashes) and well money again since for someone to pull off an idea this far from the traditional MMO, you d need to advertise it heavy.
agree, i never played the game but concept sounds very innovative.
I was also in the beta, and I agree, too. I think it was a good idea that was very underdeveloped.
Tabula Rasa didn't have a flawed concept or anything like this. And actually, i saw more people around, both in beta and when it went free to play (didn't play in between, i don't have that much money to spent to shell out $10 or more each month, and even if, no credit card, which would make things difficult at least most of the time), than in most other games.
And i don't understand what everyone has with it looking like a shooter or combat in general. Maybe was a shooter with rpg elements, or the other way round, who cares? The difference isn't that big today anyways. And the combat itself was fine. As was the concept of the Bane taking outposts etc.
Maybe they could have expanded on that, but i did like it. That they always landed at the same sites etc made it somewhat predictable, but still better than enemies just appearing (respawning) out of the blue in front of you.
The classes had enough differences to be fun, the market allowed people to buy and sell with ease, instead of setting up a shop in the middle of the city with 20000 other people around you, and it had most options you wished for compared to a minimalistic one like in DDO for example.
Visuals where nice, a bit different, and had good performance.
For a game that had its concept turned around 180° in the middle of development, it was really nice done.
Customer support, at least ingame, was fast.
I still believe the game was closed because they wanted it closed, not because there weren't any other choices, like keeping subscriptions (come one, there are worse games still around), or turning it free to play with ads or a mixed model like many games now do.
If you want to see a game etc. dead as person in charge, you will get it dead, like when you broadcast a new series during huge events like F1 chamionships, football or super bowl etc. (yes, that happens quite a lot, so there is no reason that similar things shouldn't happen with video games), but they could have easily "rescued" it.
I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore
I remember a game called Mythica(sp) that looked superb, I think it was Turbine. It never did come out, how bout an article on games that never made the market? Or did I miss that one? :P
Kinda sad about APB to be honest, I never did play it but was on my list of 'to try'.
The only one of these I tried was Tabula Rasa again in beta and when it was free to play . In fact I quite enjoyed it for what it was . It just was'nt worth spending a sub on . Maybe it would have done well with the hyrbid model .Ncsoft should have tried that first imo .
Tabula Rasa didn't have a flawed concept or anything like this. And actually, i saw more people around, both in beta and when it went free to play (didn't play in between, i don't have that much money to spent to shell out $10 or more each month, and even if, no credit card, which would make things difficult at least most of the time), than in most other games.
And i don't understand what everyone has with it looking like a shooter or combat in general. Maybe was a shooter with rpg elements, or the other way round, who cares? The difference isn't that big today anyways. And the combat itself was fine. As was the concept of the Bane taking outposts etc.
Maybe they could have expanded on that, but i did like it. That they always landed at the same sites etc made it somewhat predictable, but still better than enemies just appearing (respawning) out of the blue in front of you.
The classes had enough differences to be fun, the market allowed people to buy and sell with ease, instead of setting up a shop in the middle of the city with 20000 other people around you, and it had most options you wished for compared to a minimalistic one like in DDO for example.
Visuals where nice, a bit different, and had good performance.
For a game that had its concept turned around 180° in the middle of development, it was really nice done.
Customer support, at least ingame, was fast.
I still believe the game was closed because they wanted it closed, not because there weren't any other choices, like keeping subscriptions (come one, there are worse games still around), or turning it free to play with ads or a mixed model like many games now do.
If you want to see a game etc. dead as person in charge, you will get it dead, like when you broadcast a new series during huge events like F1 chamionships, football or super bowl etc. (yes, that happens quite a lot, so there is no reason that similar things shouldn't happen with video games), but they could have easily "rescued" it.
To tell you the truth, I enjoyed Tabula Rasa quite abit more than I'm currently enjoying Global Agenda. Its a shame that NCsoft axed it, rather than making it F2P or some such. Its problems could have been corrected, if NCsoft had wanted to. But they obviously didn't want to.
Global Agenda is just an endless stream of PUG's... I seldom run across a medic who knows what they are doing, so playing assault gets "interesting". I ran a sniper and a spy to cap with TR, I doubt I'll be in GA long enough to reach cap.
Game that is nr 83 on Xfire has gone bankrupt... Still bad games like AOC and WAR still hang in there just above...
You know the diffrence ?
WAR and AOC managed to lie and cheat millions of ppl out of a real game.... APB didn't .... and lost right out of the track....
Thats the reality. Politicians have known that for a LONG time. You tell people want they want to hear, not what they need to know. Its obviously pretty much the same in game terms. Its too bad that APB has gone under, but the MMO market is brutal these days.
HAHAHA Im laughing so hard. Once i tried the 5 hours free, i knew from the start that it would end that fast.
This game is nothing like GTA. I repeat, nothing from GTA. From the police, to the criminal activity, to the missions, to the freedom to kill any players we want and many others...
The fact that you cannot kill grey players really ruin the whole game. Because of the grey players, Being a criminal, you dont feel like a criminal since you cannot even go against the game rules.
Despite its flaws, I had a lot of fun with SEED. Being encouraged to work with other players to succeed really made for a good community. It's true that the majority of the game focused on running around and repairing the colony, but the people made it fun. I miss it ever so slightly.
I know that some of you out there are going to say that we’ve been giving too much attention to the upcoming game from the folks at Realtime Worlds that promises to be the, at least, spiritual MMO successor to the phenomenally popular Grand Theft Auto franchise, but I think we’ve been spot on in seeing this game’s potential."
Hate to say some of us told you so Jon... but we did.
I second this missed game. Maybe it didn't make the list because the servers have been running for a while, even still today? Just no support or new content. To bad also, I'd still be playing it from launch.
Originally posted by OoMpAlOmPaZ Since people are bringing up games that never made it to release I would like to add Wish onto the list. It had some awesome pre-trammel uo potential.
Bet you didn't know that the OP was a developer of WISH.
WHAAATT!! Time to hound the hell of him. I still wonder to this day why in the hell they decided to close the doors while in beta. The game was freaking awesome! I loved those GM Events. I still remember when one of them interviewed me after a goblins raided the starter town. I was awed when they had quoted what I said and put it in the in-game newspaper. BRING IT BACK!!
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agree, i never played the game but concept sounds very innovative.
agree, i never played the game but concept sounds very innovative.
SO APB finnaly got canceled? details?
This have been a good conversation
I was also in the beta, and I agree, too. I think it was a good idea that was very underdeveloped.
Tabula Rasa didn't have a flawed concept or anything like this. And actually, i saw more people around, both in beta and when it went free to play (didn't play in between, i don't have that much money to spent to shell out $10 or more each month, and even if, no credit card, which would make things difficult at least most of the time), than in most other games.
And i don't understand what everyone has with it looking like a shooter or combat in general. Maybe was a shooter with rpg elements, or the other way round, who cares? The difference isn't that big today anyways. And the combat itself was fine. As was the concept of the Bane taking outposts etc.
Maybe they could have expanded on that, but i did like it. That they always landed at the same sites etc made it somewhat predictable, but still better than enemies just appearing (respawning) out of the blue in front of you.
The classes had enough differences to be fun, the market allowed people to buy and sell with ease, instead of setting up a shop in the middle of the city with 20000 other people around you, and it had most options you wished for compared to a minimalistic one like in DDO for example.
Visuals where nice, a bit different, and had good performance.
For a game that had its concept turned around 180° in the middle of development, it was really nice done.
Customer support, at least ingame, was fast.
I still believe the game was closed because they wanted it closed, not because there weren't any other choices, like keeping subscriptions (come one, there are worse games still around), or turning it free to play with ads or a mixed model like many games now do.
If you want to see a game etc. dead as person in charge, you will get it dead, like when you broadcast a new series during huge events like F1 chamionships, football or super bowl etc. (yes, that happens quite a lot, so there is no reason that similar things shouldn't happen with video games), but they could have easily "rescued" it.
I'll wait to the day's end when the moon is high
And then I'll rise with the tide with a lust for life, I'll
Amass an army, and we'll harness a horde
And then we'll limp across the land until we stand at the shore
i like the sound of SEED, believe it or not lol.
I remember a game called Mythica(sp) that looked superb, I think it was Turbine. It never did come out, how bout an article on games that never made the market? Or did I miss that one? :P
Kinda sad about APB to be honest, I never did play it but was on my list of 'to try'.
Nothing like stabbing an open wound, I guess.
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The only one of these I tried was Tabula Rasa again in beta and when it was free to play . In fact I quite enjoyed it for what it was . It just was'nt worth spending a sub on . Maybe it would have done well with the hyrbid model .Ncsoft should have tried that first imo .
I remember that game, I still have a beta disk for it that I picked up at the local electronics store. Bet it's worth nothing on ebay xD
Was it really that short lived ? I played in beta and in release on and of for some time. How long were that game runing ?
Intresting...
Game that is nr 83 on Xfire has gone bankrupt... Still bad games like AOC and WAR still hang in there just above...
You know the diffrence ?
WAR and AOC managed to lie and cheat millions of ppl out of a real game.... APB didn't .... and lost right out of the track....
To tell you the truth, I enjoyed Tabula Rasa quite abit more than I'm currently enjoying Global Agenda. Its a shame that NCsoft axed it, rather than making it F2P or some such. Its problems could have been corrected, if NCsoft had wanted to. But they obviously didn't want to.
Global Agenda is just an endless stream of PUG's... I seldom run across a medic who knows what they are doing, so playing assault gets "interesting". I ran a sniper and a spy to cap with TR, I doubt I'll be in GA long enough to reach cap.
Thats the reality. Politicians have known that for a LONG time. You tell people want they want to hear, not what they need to know. Its obviously pretty much the same in game terms. Its too bad that APB has gone under, but the MMO market is brutal these days.
I played all classes to cap in TR. That game rocked but needed more engame pve and pvp content. The Dev events were awesome though.
Playing: Nothing
Retired:Too many to list.
Uhm, no, APB did what you accuse the other two of doing, except much worse. I've gotten every penny's worth out of my subscription to AOC.
Brrrflp!
HAHAHA Im laughing so hard. Once i tried the 5 hours free, i knew from the start that it would end that fast.
This game is nothing like GTA. I repeat, nothing from GTA. From the police, to the criminal activity, to the missions, to the freedom to kill any players we want and many others...
The fact that you cannot kill grey players really ruin the whole game. Because of the grey players, Being a criminal, you dont feel like a criminal since you cannot even go against the game rules.
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Despite its flaws, I had a lot of fun with SEED. Being encouraged to work with other players to succeed really made for a good community. It's true that the majority of the game focused on running around and repairing the colony, but the people made it fun. I miss it ever so slightly.
What about Orka amd Camon Hero? They aren't what one could call long lived.
APB is the best online game ever to hit my PC.
Maybe not the best, but definetely the one I had more fun playing.
It is funny because the Wal Mart in my town is still trying to sell the collectors edition of Tabula Rasa for $40.
Haha Jpad, I have a gamestop still trying to sale Asherons Call 2. Man I miss that game..
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Hmm...
Anyone else remember this article?
http://www.mmorpg.com/showFeature.cfm/loadFeature/3383/page/1
"#6: All Points Bulletin
I know that some of you out there are going to say that we’ve been giving too much attention to the upcoming game from the folks at Realtime Worlds that promises to be the, at least, spiritual MMO successor to the phenomenally popular Grand Theft Auto franchise, but I think we’ve been spot on in seeing this game’s potential."
Hate to say some of us told you so Jon... but we did.
I second this missed game. Maybe it didn't make the list because the servers have been running for a while, even still today? Just no support or new content. To bad also, I'd still be playing it from launch.
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